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461  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Presidential debates on: October 08, 2020, 04:04:53 PM
While Pence was talking, Harris was continually, none stop moving between one of four or five facial expressions, I thought "cartoon-like". Pence came across as thoughtful and careful.

I really disliked that approach of Harris, although it may resonate with some.

Harris came up with a couple of significant "New Facts." (A) Harris/Biden are not going to destroy the jobs of the fracking industry. (B) Harris/Biden do not propose a rehash of the Green New Deal.

When Pence rebutted these points, she acted like he was an idiot. He replied that they were her platform, and she doubled down. Obviously these are new talking points or her idea not Bidens', or perhaps just outright fabrications.

I would have much preferred if she had carefully explained those positions, and just said they were a change of position, or hers, not Biden's, or whatever the situation may be.

Short story: Do four or five studied face expressions make someone look presidential?

Would you want her for president?
462  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why support TRUMP on: October 08, 2020, 03:43:57 PM

I like the way he runs the country the way the CEO runs the company.
The unemployment rate decreased
And don't let China become the top 1
Business man will be good at bring revenue to the company but they never care about their employees... What happens if the same thing happens with America?
Being a business man myself I have to object.

Yes, that's sometimes true but not with the people I associate with.

And to reverse the tables, I think that's what the problem had been with the US. Lobbyists made the laws, politicians went along with them, Washington DC only cared about Washington DC.

Trump was voted in by the little guys...
463  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump ACCOMPLISHMENTS on: October 08, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
trump accumplishments:
april: tweet' liberate michigan' a call from trump for people to gather and protest and fight against state
may: tweet 'protestors are thugs'
may: tweet 'state must get act together get people under control or ill send in the national guard' a call from trump for states to stop people gathering/fighting against the state by saying the state has to fight back or he will send in the big guys

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so here is trump causing chaos. and instead of just telling people to go home and relax. or use coffee shops safely.. he is saying states should arm up and fight citizens.

do you atleast see the stupidity of trumps actions before and after

smarter leaders say people can go to coffee shops that have precautions to keep their patrons safe.. trump says people should gather and fight. and then use that to trigger his own battle against those that listened to him the first time

if you were one of these sheep following trump tweets and thinking a simple tweet was licence to risk your own health and welfare and reputation as if the tweet is a immortality shield.. then please next time. think before you act.


I'm leaving this in, but this thread is not for you or others to vent your anti-Trump garbage. It is exactly what it says it is, to list accomplishments.

Don't misunderstand, I'm all for people venting their Anti-Trump stuff, it's just not what this thread is.

As for the content of your post, it's not your best. Got to sort of thread the illogic to figure out your point. Too much trouble.

Here in the US we all pretty much know the last six months of violence was paid, organized anti-American agiprop. People I know in some of the towns you are reading about are really hurting, their police have totally shut down.
464  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Brace for impact - Facebook is banning QAnon on: October 07, 2020, 10:53:19 PM
Some of those shitheads may end up here so keep an eye out and don't feed the new trolls lest you get your arm chewed off at shoulder.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54443878

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Facebook has banned all accounts linked to the QAnon conspiracy theory movement from its platforms.

OTOH, it's quite possible that the whole QAnon is just BADecker with a bunch of sockpuppets, in which case we're fine.

Now seriously, if someone can explain what the fuck is making those people believe such nonsense I'd appreciate that. Don't tell me they all live in Flint and drink tap water.

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QAnon is a conspiracy theory that says President Trump is waging a war against elite Satan-worshipping paedophiles.

Add the Lizard People and I'm interested.
465  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why support TRUMP on: October 07, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
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the number of full time employed people has gone down.

its like if i sacked you from a 40hour job. and then rehired you for 18 hours and hired someone else for 18 hours....

When this happened hugely, was as a result of the implementation of Obamacare.
466  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Open Source Plans for Modern Tesla Free Energy Generator Released to Public on: October 07, 2020, 01:56:24 AM
as soon as i read the first post whre they called it 'quantum' i instantly knew it was fake
too many people do not understand what quantum really is. and so treat it as mystical energy and stuff(which its not).....

Wait, you mean when my Tesla Cybertruck comes in, it won't have a magical Tesla quantum engine?
467  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 07, 2020, 01:50:09 AM
When it becomes known who Trump is in personal debt to the tune of $400 million, a connection will be made between him and his creditors to some action he took which might have benefited his benefactors. The whole thing looks like it will be published before the election.....

Creditors are not "benefactors." Not in the least. What you do with creditors is pay the payments and adhere to the terms of the loan.

Or you negotiate a deal that doesn't involve paying the debt directly but benefits the creditors in other ways.  Like, for example, allowing Turkey to steamroll the Kurds even though they were our close allies in taking out ISIS in exchange for writing off a few hundred million in personal debt.

Really?

A case of TDS creates interesting conspiracy theories.

The only problem is, what you assert hasn't actually happened.

I think you could gas light people much more effectively if you mixed it up a little.  The TDS + vague comment is so 2018.
Maybe, but they are 100% your theories, they have no basis in reality, and that's the way it is. I can see where you have a point as to a contingency that would work to the benefit of a POTUS and the detriment of the USA, but it's still a made up issue.
468  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Presidential debates on: October 06, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
....Under no circumstances should someone test positive for COVID and then show up to vote.

Sure they can. They don't have to show up in the crowded room, they can go into the Senate room empty at night and in a spacesuit and post their vote.
469  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 06, 2020, 01:28:20 AM
When it becomes known who Trump is in personal debt to the tune of $400 million, a connection will be made between him and his creditors to some action he took which might have benefited his benefactors. The whole thing looks like it will be published before the election.....

Creditors are not "benefactors." Not in the least. What you do with creditors is pay the payments and adhere to the terms of the loan.

Or you negotiate a deal that doesn't involve paying the debt directly but benefits the creditors in other ways.  Like, for example, allowing Turkey to steamroll the Kurds even though they were our close allies in taking out ISIS in exchange for writing off a few hundred million in personal debt.

Really?

A case of TDS creates interesting conspiracy theories.

The only problem is, what you assert hasn't actually happened.
470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Presidential debates on: October 06, 2020, 01:24:38 AM
...President Trump rightly criticized Vice President Biden for saying he would listen to the "scientists" in determining whether to lock down the country. President Trump also acknowledged that the lockdowns were a harmful over-reaction that needs to end.....

One lockdown policy for the wilds of Montana, the New Mexico desert, and the crowded, dirty slums of New York?

I think Trump has it pretty much right in leaving such policy decisions to the states.
471  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 05, 2020, 09:24:21 PM
When it becomes known who Trump is in personal debt to the tune of $400 million, a connection will be made between him and his creditors to some action he took which might have benefited his benefactors. The whole thing looks like it will be published before the election.....

Creditors are not "benefactors." Not in the least. What you do with creditors is pay the payments and adhere to the terms of the loan.

It's been pointed out to you before ... several times ... that 400M is small compared to the asset values.

It's like having a $1000 loan on a $10,000 car.
472  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Presidential debates on: October 05, 2020, 09:20:03 PM
I hate that he's allowed "not wearing a mask" to become some sort of political statement. I'm opposed to mandatory closures and mask mandates, but not wearing a mask just for the sake of tribalism is completely braindead, and a leader encouraging this is just hurting his own faction.

Now's a great chance for Trump to demonstrate that he is capable of humility. Now that the virus has personally affected him, maybe his outlook on it will change and he will be a bit more sensitive toward the problem. I notice he's already stopped calling it the "China virus" which is a good first step forward.

I knew all along that MAGA was positively infectious.

(a joke)

Covid doesn't seem that dangerous, according to WHO.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1312180625412038656
473  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Crimes Matter on: October 05, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
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You see the word discriminate isn't really enough either. It is simply the ability to make a distinction.....

When people call you a racist or claim you are guilt of hate speech getting them to drill down on their definition and make their reasoning transparent for analysis often results in the opponent either just repeating the allegation or running away.

In the US the word "discriminate" has pretty much lost the meaning you speak of, and today is strictly used to mean racial discrimination (or to allege that).

You see in this thread, the broadening and generalization (or attempt to ) of the phrase "white supremacy," and others.
474  Other / Politics & Society / Breaking: White Supremecist Found!!! on: October 05, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
Next you and your progressives will be banning Hemingway. Or Jack London. Or a hundred other examples.

Please note that Trump has virtually banned your critical race theory Marxist propaganda in federal agencies, and I think in schools also. I hope we see more such rules, because using and abusing terms needs to stop.

Do you think this guy justcheckin is racist or no?  Are you not comfortable calling someone a white supremacist because it feels politically incorrect to you?
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Found!!! At Trump Rally!!!

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/10/04/video-pjms-megan-fox-finally-finds-a-white-supremacist-outside-walter-reed-hospital-n1002936
475  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Paid Just $750 taxes in 2016 and 2017 ! on: October 05, 2020, 05:51:08 PM
There is absolutely nothing stopping anybody releasing their tax returns while the audit with the IRS is going on.
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Yeah, that's you trying to push someone else into doing something.

You can ask nicely.

Naw, leftists would rather sue to get them, or outright steal them.

Ah, you don't approve of the democrats not being nice and filing so many lawsuits.  Makes sense that you found a home in the Trump cult.
There's really not much to be proud of in the behavior of the corrupt political and power system we loosely refer to as "the Democrats" for the last four years.

Perhaps there were times when the Republicans were similarly corrupt and the Democrats were not, and perhaps there were times when both were, or neither was.

We'd have to EXCLUDE all the historical decades when the Democrats were the party of slavery, the KKK, and of white supremacy. We'd also certainly have to exclude the Obama years, when Chicago style corruption was brought to Washington.

That leaves a period from about 1960 to 2008 for consideration.

Both parties have evolved since the time when Republicans were the progressive party that represented more cities, fought for the rights of immigrants and minorities and was mostly in the North.
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Sorry, I made a mistake. We'll have to exclude the time your Demo party had its beloved longest serving member, Robert Byrd, member of the KKK.

When Byrd died in 2010, he had served in the Senate longer than anyone else; the New York Times described him as "a pillar of Capitol Hill." In a statement, then-President Barack Obama called him "a voice of principle and reason." Biden said Byrd was "a dear friend."

In West Virginia in the 1940s — late 1941 or early 1942, according to Byrd’s memoir — he organized and led a 150-member chapter, or "Klavern," of the Klan as the "Exalted Cyclops." In Klan hierarchy, according to Slate, each Klavern is led by an Exalted Cyclops typically elected by his fellow Klansmen. The Exalted Cyclops reports to a "Grand Giant" (provincial leader), "Grand Dragon" (state director) and "Grand Wizard" (national chair).


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/15/viral-image/robert-byrd-wasnt-grand-wizard-kkk-he-once-led-loc/

1960 to 2008 but Byrd died in 2010?

I guess that leaves you and your party with no good years? Certainly no years in which you can proudly pontificate as a moral authority.
476  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 05, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
....appointing pence to run as president and his daughter as the vp.

I could actually vote for that ticket.

I'd see that as a strong ticket, but with two relatively unknown persons. However, "two relatively unknown" on a ticket is what the Dems should have done this time around. They didn't and have two with known issues.

But from the point of view of identity politics, Ivanka wouldn't qualify...

yeah I know. But I have seen first hand what the covid does. At best Trump won’t be good to go for a month.

Forget the show being put on. It is a strong set back for two- four weeks for most people over 65.

So if he gets out in two or three days and runs around like he is okay I will be impressed.

I'm sorry for what you went through. I expect sooner or later to get it, likely everyone will. It may be a mild or a severe case, who knows. Yeah, forget the show being put on. Hope he gets better and lucked out with a mild case. Maybe people will interpret that as he's really strong, but the mechanics of virus don't work that way.
477  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 05, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
If Trump's taxes are under audit, wouldn't Ivanka Trump receiving a consulting fee from a company that she is an employee of turn up (if it's even against the law)?
Yes, that's quite obvious, and she would likely be paying tax on the consulting fee. It's laughable to suggest such a thing is somehow illegal.

All this tax loophole bullshit just outlines the case for a flat tax. Billionaires will pay the best accountants and tax attorney's in the world to take advantage of all the loopholes while some waiter is stuck paying 20 percent of their paycheck away.
Be that as it may, the little guy has the best deal ever under the recent Trump tax reforms.
478  Other / Politics & Society / Re: California to consider slavery reparations after landmark law passed on: October 05, 2020, 05:04:55 PM
Whether there is any paying of money or not, is there a moral obligation on part of any state (namely California in this case) to apologise for past mistakes? Or would that set off a chain reaction where anybody can claim an apology is warranted for any historical error?

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I demand compensation for the persecution my Druid ancestors endured at the hands of the Romans, and later the Catholics.

479  Other / Politics & Society / Re: California to consider slavery reparations after landmark law passed on: October 05, 2020, 04:19:04 AM
this appears to be a 'woke' bill just to say they doing something. but its not going to be 'repaired' in a few months. they going to string it out till 2023
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Any shred of legitimacy given to the concept of reparations is way wrong.

To make reparations a subject deserving even a minute's time, first you have to rewrite history.

...

Wait, that's what some clowns are trying to do.
480  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Crimes Matter on: October 05, 2020, 04:13:25 AM
Not just over used, but their definitions and generality are being changed progressively.

That's what progressives do, right? Create progressive change?

Yea, exactly.


There should not be any problem with asking exactly a debate opponent means in a question or assertion.

Agree again (this must be a record).

Do you disagree about the examples I gave of (what I consider) openly racist posts that promote White Supremacy in this thread?

Next you and your progressives will be banning Hemingway. Or Jack London. Or a hundred other examples.

Please note that Trump has virtually banned your critical race theory Marxist propaganda in federal agencies, and I think in schools also. I hope we see more such rules, because using and abusing terms needs to stop.


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