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481  Other / Meta / Re: Lauda should not be in DT2 ::::: Agree ? Yes : FuckOff on: July 08, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
Other members can tag the scammers
And yet they don't. By removing one of the few people that do, we are risking this forum becoming worse than it already is.



Read the thread before posting.



Lauda who formerly from DT1 and now in DT2 has its reasons.
Lauda was never on DT1, they were on DT2. They have since been removed from DT2. This means that their feedbacks aren't seen by default.

That's the price of the wrong move that he had made but nonetheless he is very active and been contributing a lot in the forum so not completely removing him as a DT member is better and where he is placed is justifiable.
They have been completely removed as a DT member.
482  Economy / Reputation / Re: LAUDA IS OFF DT! EVERYONE CELEBRATE! on: July 07, 2017, 07:12:45 PM
I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.
So, now that Lauda has been removed from most of their positions of power I have to ask, who's next on the hit list? Are you going to return to some old classics like tspacepilot or dooglus (still eagerly awaiting the part 2 for him)?
483  Other / Meta / Re: Is online chat is okay to have in this Board? on: July 05, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
is the bitcointalk.org forum have a fixed design, I don't know it I'm just thinking it lately IRC is a good idea but I have in mind that different section can only chat with the same section.
Ah yes I know it is time consuming if oneself reprogram a publish site.
It isn't so much about the design or the time it would take to implement (although those are other problems that I failed to consider), it's that the server is already struggling to keep up. Adding more features that could just be replaced (and probably do a better job) by other services would just be wasting server resources that could be used on the forum.
484  Other / Meta / Re: Is online chat is okay to have in this Board? on: July 05, 2017, 11:54:56 AM
Create an IRC/Slack room and invite whoever you want to it. There is no point of Bitcointalk using their already limited resources to re-invent the wheel.
485  Other / Meta / Re: user ranking on: July 04, 2017, 11:46:00 AM
If you make 14 posts in each 2 week interval then you will gain 14 activity. You can't gain any more than this.
If you make less than 14 posts and your post count and activity are the same, then your activity will increase by the same amount you posted by. If your post count is greater than your activity, your activity will increase by 14 each interval so long as you make a post.

You can see the date each activity period starts here. You can see how much activity you need for each rank on MZ's link above.
486  Economy / Collectibles / Re: WTS: 6 Vintage USB Block Eruptors on: July 04, 2017, 11:39:20 AM
I'd possibly be interested in buying one, just for collectible purposes.
487  Other / Meta / Re: Busy, try again (504) on: July 02, 2017, 02:57:28 PM
I don't think that this error is the result of a DDoS, but that is going off nothing but a hunch. I think that the forum is just struggling to keep up with an increased amount of traffic as of late.



Another question about this error is it not possible to protect the forum by using CloudFlare or some services to hide the real ip behind bitcointalk.org afaik it will be much harder to launch such attacks right?
DDoS protection already exists on the forum, but not Cloudflare. You can read theymos' opinions about Cloudflare here.
488  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 10:40:46 PM
Right now you are obviously trying to play a victim here, but I can only repeat to you what I just told Lauda, I'm not that kind of person who can be easily fooled with such tactics.
Perhaps I am trying to play the victim, though I don't believe I am 'fooling' anyone with it. There is nothing for me to fool anyone with. I've made my point of view extremely clear, and yet you disregard both it and me by telling me I am trying to mislead people.
However, if anything it shows that you have nothing to back up your argument with. Thank you for making that clear.

Other than that, I will just quote below your first post in this thread (just in case you choose to change it), so that anyone could check and decide for themselves whether you are misleading others and what kind of discussion you are really looking for (this is not intended as an offense but exclusively for the sake of fairness)
I don't believe that I was misleading anything or anyone by posting my opinion on why you're making this thread. Saying that I think you're doing this simply out of greed does not constitute as me trying to 'twist the facts'.
In addition, the discussion that I was looking for is exactly what happened. You gave me your point of view, and I gave you mine. I wished that it could have ended differently, but such is.

I can now see that I will be wasting my time trying to discuss things like adults with you, so I will simply leave you to your own little bubble. Best of luck with your proposal.
489  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
You may twist the facts as much as you want with your buddy minifrij
I don't care about your interpretation of what Lauda is saying, but don't accuse me of twisting facts. I've done nothing but tell (what I know as) the truth about forum moderation and how I feel it should be done. If I am wrong about anything I'm happy to be corrected by someone who knows what they're talking about.

If you're not able to listen to my viewpoint and discuss it with me without insulting me and trying to make it out as if I'm trying to mislead you and others, you shouldn't be on a space where people don't agree with you. Try going to your local church, if you're lucky there will be an echo big enough so you can hear what you want to.



When did that happen? Can someone give me a link to a detailed thread(if any)?
IIRC shorena linked it to you when you rejoined the forum, but here it is again.
490  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 06:11:14 PM
I don't know if that's true (I think it is), but, according to hilarious, "all staff can delete or trashcan a thread as long as it is in their jurisdiction".
Jurisdiction means: Section that they moderate. If you look closely, a single moderator couldn't do much in his "personal vendetta" conquest.
Precisely. As I mentioned earlier, you can avoid your theoretical situation happening (by anyone other than a Global Moderator or Administrator) by avoiding the sections moderated by the staff member you do not trust. However, if you do not trust the staff to do their jobs properly it is questionable whether you should be on the forum at all.



It is irrelevant for me, but I wonder whether I am the person who lost the most amount (absolute wise, not percentage wise).
I believe Mitchell lost more than you, did he not?
491  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 05:46:37 PM
Basically, you at first claimed one thing, namely, that it is impossible to happen ("using scenarios that didn't happen and likely wouldn't happen").
This was in reply to your theoretical situation where a moderator would go on a streak of deleting one user's posts specifically due to a personal vendetta. That quote was also in regards to Lauda being promoted to a Global Moderator.

When I told that it already happened (ask hilarious if you doubt my words)
What you said was that posts in a necrod thread were deleted, not the theoretical situation you came up with (This isn't the same as what I was replying to in the first point). I tried to later clarify this.

you changed your stance 180 degrees and started claiming that "they [moderators] thought it would be more appropriate".
Which is true. As it is not the theoretical situation that you were talking about (which I tried to point out to you by asking you the questions that you ignored), it is completely fine for a moderator to do what they feel as most appropriate when dealing with posts made on a necrod thread.

Then you again all of a sudden changed your position basically trashing your previous stance (that moderators know it better and no further questions should be asked).
Which is what will happen on this forum, regardless of what nobodies such as you and I think about it. This isn't my personal stance, this is outlining that we have very little say in what goes on with the moderation.



To make my stance absolutely crystal clear to you, I think that your theoretical situation (that I will quote here):
apart from a rogue moderator starting a vendetta against a certain user.
is extremely improbable to ever happen. In the example that you gave (Lauda's extortion), the subject (Lauda) would have been unable to carry out said theoretical due to their status as only a staff member (Not a Global Moderator). In the very rare event that this would happen, I would not condone this and would rally for the moderator behind it to be removed from their position of power. I would not rally for important tools to be removed from use.

I think that it is absolutely fine for necrod posts to be removed from the forum by moderators, providing that they don't give anything useful to the conversation (which they usually don't, whether it be useless spam, an answer to a question that has already been answered or a number of other factors). I would then agree with you that, if these spam posts have been removed, the thread should be locked to prevent any further spam.

I think that it is absolutely fine for spam threads (such as those mentioned by hilariousandco here):
utter shit threads in gambling discussion or off topic like is 0.002 bitcoin a good amount to gamble with or what time do you wake up in the morning etc after they have quickly been spammed to death.
to be completely removed regardless of their age or the amount of posts in them.

Finally, regardless of what you and I think, moderators will do whatever they see fit when it comes to moderating the forum and there is very little that you or I can do about it.

Hope you can follow this.
492  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: July 01, 2017, 04:33:18 PM
So just locking the thread is a no-op?
I'm not sure what you mean by a no-op, but locking the thread doesn't combat the signature spam in any way. It is essentially telling people 'if you spam fast enough, you can spam and nothing will happen'.

If so, what about those non-spammy posts in it?
Tough luck? The chances of there being a non-spammy post on a thread like 'if bitcoin went to $1 what would you do!!!' are incredibly low anyway.

These will get deleted too, as far as I can see?
Yes.

Did you ever wonder that it is a moderator's job to delete spam posts as fast as possible so that it never comes to deleting the whole thread (provided it wasn't a spam thread right from the start)?
I've been critical of the moderation team in the past for this, however if you are expecting that to happen here after all this time you are being too idealistic. If we're living in the real world, deleting the spam eventually is better than accepting it simply because it is 'old', and is much more likely to happen.
Also, entire threads aren't deleted unless they are majority spam. I haven't got a clue where you get the idea that anything else happens from.

In the OP I meant specifically the threads that are no longer posted in, i.e. necrothreads (I thought it was evident from the context).
You gave no context. Learn to structure your writing better if this is the case.

The threads that are still active and old at that cannot be spammy by definition (as a whole, apart from individual posts)
Wrong. Just because something isn't punished doesn't then change the definition of it.
If I throw litter on the street and it is not moved, does that then mean that I wasn't littering?

(it's no use trying to concoct impossible combinations here as it better suits your point)
Every example of a thread I have used has existed previously. You should probably pay more attention to reading rather than posting if you don't think this is the case.

while deleting them would raise a lot of noise on their own.
I'm struggling to follow what you are saying, but I'm guessing that you mean deleting threads would cause people to do what you are doing currently. In this scenario, just like you have, they will be told to deal with it.

In short, I mean non-spammy abandoned threads created months if not years ago. Why should they ever get deleted and not locked (if necroraising is disallowed)?
They shouldn't, and therefore they aren't. Spam threads, regardless of their age, should be deleted along with all spam posts in them.

Wow, now it's no longer "they thought it would be more appropriate". I guess you are already past the point of back-pedaling this issue. But you may still ask hilarious (if you are really curious)
I think that our different uses of language has made us both confused about what we are talking about. Let me summarize what I understood from the last few points relating to this so that we can possibly understand each other better.

  • You said that necroposts were deleted when you felt they shouldn't have been.
  • I said that if the staff saw it as appropriate, the posts should have been deleted.
  • You then tried to relate said posts to a theoretical situation you came up with previously.
  • I gave you a number of questions to try and clear up whether these deleted posts fit within said theoretical situation. I also reaffirmed that, regardless of what you and I think or propose, the staff's decision would be final.
  • Instead of answering the questions, you now say that I am back peddling.

Please correct me if I was wrong at any part here, though to me it just seems that you're just avoiding the point.



EDIT: a closing remark to be precise.
I see, my apologies.
493  Other / Archival / Re: . on: July 01, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
As the forum is getting more views in recent months, it seems that the database is having a few issues keeping up.

From a quick test I did, I found that you may be able to access trust pages if you temporarily reset your trust settings (as I described here) so that the system doesn't need to do as many checks. I'm not entirely sure though, as the forum has been turning to Busy 404 intermittently throughout the day.
494  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: June 30, 2017, 03:58:17 PM
Give me just one reason why deleting an old, long abandoned thread is better than simply locking it
If an old thread is full of spam and people using it for nothing other than to boost their account's post count/signature earnings, it is appropriate for a thread to be deleted in order to make it more difficult for those who used the thread for that purpose to fulfill it.

Regarding the bolded part, that is irrelevant. You talked about old threads in the OP, not necessarily those that have been necrod. Old threads included those mentioned by hilariousandco that he deleted. You can see what I feel about necro posts in my last post in this thread:
I'd agree in a way that old threads that had value but were necrod should be locked, however depending on what was posted in the necro these posts should be deleted.
Stop trying to move the goalposts.

You won't be able to name even one
Whoopsy daisy.

If there is an old spam thread, it pretty much means that it had been a mod's fault not to delete it right away.
Unless the rules have changed since that old spam thread was created, making it no longer appropriate to be available.

Anyway, just locking it would suffice.
See my first point.

Further, I'm myself against raising necrothreads, but if they are left open, mods should expect that they might be and one day will be resurrected, and there is absolutely no reason to blame folks for doing that (let alone delete their posts in these threads)
While any thread on the forum is open, it is susceptible for spam to be posted in it. Therefore, every thread on the forum should be locked and no new threads should be allowed to be made.

I don't understand where you are getting at and how it is relevant to this topic
That using scenarios that didn't happen (and likely wouldn't happen) in order to push an agenda is silly. By making up my own random story, I hoped to show that.

Oh, I remember that at first, you claimed that I talk only about what could (theoretically) happen (meaning that it might not happen at all), and now, after the fact, you tell me that "they thought it would be more appropriate"
Were the posts deleted in these threads posted by more than one person/account? Were the posts deleted in these threads of any actual quality, meaning they added something to the discussion? Was the act of these posts being deleted a single isolated incident? If you answered yes to any of these questions, the act doesn't line up with your theoretical and thus this is a moot point.

In addition, the acts that happen on this forum (with and without your proposal) are always open to a moderator or admin's discretion. Whatever an administrator or moderator thinks would be most appropriate is what would happen, whether you or I think it is right or not. I don't see what argument you're trying to make here.

So what is the purpose of you posting here?
The answer to this really depends on what you mean by here.

If you're referring to this thread, I'm trying to make it clear why your suggestions are silly and are for nothing other than to benefit your own income.
If you're referring to the forum, it is because I enjoy posting here and discussing things with members that I would otherwise be unable to. I have met a number of people that I trust and respect through this forum, and I would like to continue trying to find said people and enjoying myself.



Ok bye.  Grin
Huh
495  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: June 30, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
He suggested to lock old threads instead of deleting them.
I'd agree in a way that old threads that had value but were necrod should be locked, however depending on what was posted in the necro these posts should be deleted. For threads that offer nothing but a place for people to build up their post count, they should be deleted (as you said).
496  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: June 30, 2017, 02:10:48 PM
If you actually read it, you would see that I speak only about old threads. If a thread had been there for months or even years, what is the purpose in deleting it? Did you inadvertently miss that point or specifically chose to ignore it?
Sometimes deleting old threads are just as appropriate as deleting new ones. Think back to all of the shit threads that got removed, such as the ones that hilariousandco mentioned:
The only big ones I've ever trashed are utter shit threads in gambling discussion or off topic like is 0.002 bitcoin a good amount to gamble with or what time do you wake up in the morning etc after they have quickly been spammed to death.
Do you honestly think that leaving these threads readily available, and thus enabling spammers to bleed the forum, is something that should continue?

"But I said that theymos would have to approve the deletion"
theymos has proven, by his lack of action towards it, that he cares little about signature spam. In addition to this, not only is theymos already busy with his other projects, but then asking him to approve a load of deletions (that are common sense to anyone not skewed by BTC they receive for posting) would be stretching him even thinner than he is already - therefore removing his time from things that actually matter.

It is no use trying to make me look or feel guilty in this way (this is what you are going after) since this is applicable not just to me, which I also made clear and which you also chose to ignore.
It is applicable to everyone that comes to this forum to post for the wrong reason. Normal people - who either don't participate in signature campaigns or see their earnings as a bonus and nothing else - couldn't care less if they have posts removed.
Mitchell has had over 1,000 posts removed from his post count due to these changes. Lauda has had around 700. Your 64 posts are nothing, especially considering the huge amount that you already have, and yet you're still here trying to act like you're not doing this simply out of greed.

Apart from that, you may want to refresh your memory as to who was so eagerly looking to become a new global moderator here not so long ago, so we were not in fact very far from actually getting into the mess which I think is still possible.
I'm eagerly looking to replace the governing body at [insert your country of residence here]. Are you scared about me charging you with crimes and sending you to prison?

To tell the truth, I already witnessed posts deleted by a mod from a resurrected necrothread where just locking it would suffice for all practical intents and purposes
And yet they deleted it anyway, as they thought it would be more appropriate. What disgusting abuse of their power, right?
497  Other / Meta / Re: My proposal to forum administration on: June 30, 2017, 12:17:56 PM
Despite all of the needlessly long paragraphs, all I gathered from this was 'I had less than 0.5% of my posts removed and now I want moderators to be stripped of one of their most important abilities so that I don't lose out on any more precious signature campaign earnings'. I don't think this is worthy of any attention by moderators or administrators.

If you're not happy with trusting global moderators and the administrators you are polling (as they are the only people able to delete the majority of threads on this forum) to not wage some personal vendetta on you, then you shouldn't be on this forum.
Referencing Lauda in this situation as an example of what could happen isn't appropriate, as Lauda's power even as a previous staff member was severely limited to Newbies and posts within their sections. By this, if you wanted to negate all risk of someone like them waging war against you, all you had to do was not post in the sections they were moderating. The scenario you are envisioning can only be done by perhaps 4 to 5 members on the forum, all of which have bigger things to think about than removing some posts of a specific user to stop their signature campaign earnings.
498  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer Thread locked? on: June 28, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
We speculate that absolutely anything can affect the usd price. Everything is on topic.
I can buy video games with Bitcoin. Therefore I should be able to talk about the new Call of Duty game in Bitcoin Discussion, right?

Hint: Wrong.
499  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Directory.io - Now with balances! on: June 28, 2017, 12:37:41 AM
I have seen a lot of threads regarding directory.io and I know one should spend more than his lifetime to search for all addresses and to check if there is any balance in there.
Are private keys of hardware wallets addresses on that page or only software ones ?
Does your hardware wallet use an address (or addresses) beginning with a 1? If so, it will be on directory.io somewhere.

It doesn't matter what device the address is generated on, as directory.io just generates every possible non-P2SH (3 prefix) address and throws it out there.
500  Other / Meta / Re: Why my profile rank counter updates so slow? on: June 27, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
I already achieved 26 activity,But i can't achieve Sr. Member.for this reason what can i do?already i pass 3 weeks.
Read this thread properly. It will answer all of your questions.

You're going to need to be here a lot longer before you can start spamming your Sr. Member signature around. Sorry, friend.
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