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501  Economy / Economics / Re: Do bitcoin millonaires deserve their wealth? on: February 19, 2018, 04:44:35 PM
I believe it's none of our business to judge so generally if they deserved it or not. Everything happens for one reason and a same thing can happen for many people, but for different individual reasons. And from a more technical point of view, these people believed Bitcoin when many other people thought it was just more one internet's bullshit. So I think they had their value too, for believing something when it seemed improbable for the most people.
502  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EU hates Bitcoin on: February 18, 2018, 10:20:06 PM
Michael Jackson hates bitcoin too. He never said it but that's my opinion so I'm going to say it with nothing to back it up. The EU is not even a thing that can hate 'bitcoin' anyway, how can a collective of countries hate a virtual currency? Some people in the EU will hate bitcoin, others will not.

Germany and France are anti bitcoin.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/02/09/france-germany-demand-bitcoin-clampdown/

They are even calling for a cooperative regulation among countries. They are the most vocal among the EU countries but I don't think that other nation will listen to them. I guess this is going to be a long war.

But we all know that bitcoin is unstoppable at this point, If you are going to go against it. Then you will be left out. And I'm sure that even though that their might be some EU countries that will ban it, their citizens will find a way to engaged themselves in trade or investment.

I believe their main concern is tax evasion, as taxes are what keeps the governments there executing their political models that generate a good repercussion on the media. It's very clear EU doesn't like Bitcoin, their regulators keep saying all the time Bitcoin and Crypto-Currency in general is a very risky investment, they try to demoralize Crypto-Currency maximum as possible to spread fear among people to not invest on it.

Bitcoin is unstoppable, indeed, but sometimes these obstacles make Bitcoin lose a lot of time and potential on short term.
503  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Animal Cruelty - punishments? on: February 18, 2018, 09:37:43 PM
Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Cool

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Cool

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.

No it isn't a pity. It's called freedom.

The point is entirely this. If somebody can control your freedom, they can control you. Why stop at animals? Become a Communistic Dictatorship, where they control what color socks you wear, and how many breaths of air you take.

Your choice. Be free, or be a slave.


If the animal isn't yours, then don't treat it good or bad, until you get permission from the owner.

Cool

And about the animal's freedom? No one wants to be injured (including the animals). Those who are injured and can't scape from this reality don't have freedom!

You are showing a communist behavior with the animals! You control animal's freedom, so you control them! For these injured animals it's like to live in a junk communist/socialist house, where they aren't respected and treated as they should be.

The real choice humans can take here are: to be a communist enslaver or to be a decent person.

We are talking about lives, and lives don't belong to any man in this world.
504  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: ponzi alert on: February 18, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
this is my friend's site "Bitcomine BitcoFarm and few more sites, Even this BitcoGarden Belongs to the same owner..
I am with them and I am also working in this site.. We will not disclose owner name and all these sites are paying..

Why can't we know the name of the sites owner?
Why can't he show himself here on forum?
505  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How safe is Bitcoin gambling on: February 18, 2018, 07:23:36 PM
Gambling is not safe at all.It's always risky because the house gets always advantages.Gambling just depends on your luck and you can't use your brain to get good result.No strategy or math can help you out in gambling.You will be always worried while gambling.Moreover you can be empty hand also for gambling.So it's 0% safe and 100% risky task to gain money.I will suggest to avoid gambling and look for other works to earn money.

It depends the game. Like sports betting for an example, if you have knowledge about the specific sport, team, players you have more chances of victory. And you can bet on these sports with BTCs safely, just make sure the site you are using is trustworthy and has already a consolidated reputation. I would say it can be 90% safe and 30-40% risky (on long term) if you are a sport's expert.  Smiley
506  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Will people pay taxes for bitcoin ? on: February 18, 2018, 06:07:30 PM
Let the taxes' enthusiasts pay it. You just need to say for what public services Crypto taxes are going and I will make sure I won't use them, Ok?  Cheesy
507  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Animal Cruelty - punishments? on: February 18, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Cool

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Cool

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.
508  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Animal Cruelty - punishments? on: February 18, 2018, 04:04:21 AM
Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Cool

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.
509  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have you ever borrowed fiat to get btc? on: February 18, 2018, 03:18:58 AM
Whether it be buying btc or buying equipment to mine btc. Did you ever borrow fiat to make your purchase? I have not. Just curious if anyone ever has.

Its not necessary to use your own money to invest or earn cryptocurrency because you can still work on bounty campaigns here in this forum and earn altcoins after the end of token sale. Most of the people i knew are just preferring to work more than using their own money.

Yes, but by working on these bounties and micro tasks online it doesn't guarantee you a large amount of money to start investing decently. It's surely better than nothing, but if you have an initial amount of fiat to invest since the beginning you will save a lot of time and effort. However I think it's too risky to borrow money to buy BTCs, especially if you are borrowing money with high interest percentage to pay back, very common on banks...

Better to save money and use this amount to invest, but never borrowing money from third party services or people.
Two main reasons to not do this: you will have to pay the money back with interest, BTC's volatility might not help you on short term.
510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will BTC Replaced by an Altcoin ? on: February 18, 2018, 12:11:12 AM
All AltCoins came from Bitcoin and so far, none of them showed an impressive performance compared to the original currency. So I don't believe Bitcoin is going to be replaced soon. The points you listed can make sense, but what you said is already happening since some good time ago and meanwhile Bitcoin only gets stronger... The conclusion I can reach is that these points aren't affecting Bitcoin existence and dominance.
511  Economy / Economics / Re: Companies that are scary on: February 17, 2018, 11:18:00 PM
Today, we use a lot of social networks, typically Facebook, which collects most of the user's personal information such as location, interests, friendships, even the need to show ads. I remember once I talked to my friends about a product, then visited Facebook and saw ads about that product, did Facebook use the right to use the microphone to hear my talk?   Huh Huh Huh

Lol, are they already doing this? I wouldn't doubt about it, but are you sure you didn't search for this product on the internet? Maybe that could be the reason you have seen this product's ads on Facebook. Right after searching for the product on Google or any other shopping site (because of cookies)...

Anyway, it's really disgusting how Facebook collects everyone's personal informations. It's already time for a new decentralized social media arises and become the main popular platform. I can even fell Facebook's site too heavy on my laptop, heavy because they are full of cookies and secondary apps running all the time to not miss any information about you...
512  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some of my friends still think Bitcoin is scam and Ponzi on: February 17, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
For me, we can not really convince everyone if they are closed-minded people, even if we can show some evidence and explain it to them if they've decided and do not want to know the truth or nothing we can do to like bitcoin . Cool

That is the point, there is nothing to be done once people aren't listening to your arguments. They don't want to analyze facts and don't want to give themselves the chance to change their minds. It's like an hypnosis state. In some cases, these people listen too much the media and other sources considered intellectuals and very intelligent, so what these smart ones speak it's enough for the closed-minded people reach to their conclusions.
513  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: freebitco.in Annual investment on: February 17, 2018, 09:43:55 PM
Freebitco.in always reminds me of neobux and their business model and professionalism. They were most serious business wise in PTC sphere few years ago just like freebitcoin is today in dice/faucet/btc...sphere. Too bad your house edge is 47,5% , too scary for me. peace&love! Cool

With the exception in FreeBitco.in there is a guaranteed interest rate when investing, while in Neobux you can lose money after investing and spending a lot of time on the site. After investing in Neobux for about 1 year, I'm really disappointed with the results... The opposite experience happened with FreeBitco.in, I like to see how these guys are growing their businesses, while being active, creative and reliable. Just stay away from the Dice tab and you will be fine.  Wink
514  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and Relationships! on: February 17, 2018, 09:22:34 PM
I haven't been on that kind of relationship but i've seen couples here in our place both played gambling and I can say it's not that good coz sometimes they lost both and no one will stop them or atleast instruct them that it is wrong as they are both a gamblers.
That's also what I think if I dated or married fellow gamblers, that no one reminded to pause or rest if both were out of control. Just one gambler in the relationship, so if the gambler gambles too aggressively, there is one person who can calm the gambler in order to continue to gamble with complete self-control.


Poor one who has to calm an aggressive gambler partner.  Cheesy
If that is the case and the gambler addicted doesn't want to fix his addiction to become a normal person and stop making his/her partner suffer, the gambler's partner should left him/her. That is a worthless suffering that will only destroy the person, like the addicted partner is already destroyed.
515  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Hold or Trade - Which is Better? on: February 17, 2018, 08:09:06 PM
It’s up to if you have the time and are willing to keep up with charting and news 24/7. If not then holding is your best bet .
I also think like you, can see bitcoin prices in recent days have increased continuously and today are showing signs of slowing down and began to decrease slightly. So we should not trade at the present time but keep waiting for the price to sell or follow the market to have a specific plan for yourself. I think the price of bitcoin will continue to increase tomorrow and will surpass $ 11000 mark.

That is a safe strategy you are following, but there are people who keep trading all day long with Bitcoins, taking advantage each little increasement or decreasement in price... Buying and selling all day long. It's really risky, but very profitable, because while the holder makes a profit once in a month, for an example, the day trader is making profit all the time and depending his skills and luck, he is able to grow his bankroll much faster and much more than the usual holder. Day traders are usually more ambitious than the holders and are able to risk their money much more.
516  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Google Play no accept Bitcoin to Buy Stuff Apps on: February 17, 2018, 07:38:02 PM
A big company, Steam, started accepting Bitcoin years ago, but abandoned the payment method months ago due high negative volatility and expensive transactions (making Bitcoin purchases much more expensive than when using fiat). Maybe these companies you mentioned don't want to go through the same path and give up the idea some months after because the well known issues. I think they see Bitcoin as an unstable payment method and currency yet, not interesting for them at this moment.
517  Economy / Economics / Re: Regulation of bitcoin: dream or Inevitable on: February 17, 2018, 06:00:48 PM
I think that regulation is something that is inevitable and more and more countries will decide to regulate Bitcoin in some way. But I don't think that regulation is equal to centralization. Bitcoin can be regulated and decentralized at the same time.
Regulation means seting some rules how Bitcoin should be treated, what is legal and what isn't, how it should be fitted into financial framework.
I think that regulation could strengthen Bitcoin and help it to be more accepted, we don't have to be afraid of that.

Regulations are set by a central authority without the approval of another parts involved on the situation (Bitcoin enthusiasts). Banks and governments create the rules they want and impose it to you. And with rules the taxes come together... By dealing with Crypto-Currency you will be just working for the government (that doesn't share the risk when you are investing on this volatile market, but wants a peice of the final profit). I think it's very centralized.

But indeed it's inevitable...
518  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeNEM.com - FREE NEM Faucet, Claim Every Hour, 50% Ref Comm, INSTANT W/D on: February 17, 2018, 04:36:37 PM
Indeed, as others have said, rewards are very low, same like on your Ripple faucet. But different than Ripple, NEM is coin with great potential and finally it's great to see faucet which are paying in NEM.
may I know this site is offering nem or xem? what is the wallet for this coin available ? thx
NEM and XEM are the same thing, NEM is a name of coin, XEM is a symbol. You can download wallet from their official website:
https://nem.io/downloads/
They also have wallet for Android and iOS devices.

Have you ever withdraw successfully from this faucet (or maybe from another faucets belonging to OP)? If not, once you, me or any other person withdraw for the first time, let's post here as proof, Ok?

(Withdrawl fee is expensive, 0.1 XEM. Would be nice if there were a cheaper option even if we have to wait several hours).
519  Economy / Economics / Re: popularity of bitcoin dictates demand, means more profit on: February 17, 2018, 04:25:27 AM
As it high and became phenomenal everyone is curious is getting interested and everyone wants to try to invest if what they hear about bitcoin is really true and sometimes the condition seems the higher the demands the greater the price and so is the stock chances for investor to make a profit and the stronger the bitcoin may become.
Yes it is its like the concept of supply and demand. As the people who joined here increases the value of it increase because of the demand. Actually its not only happening to bitcoin but to all type of cryptocurrency that was existing. People continue spreading bitcoin all iver thw world because they knew that it can give more profit to them when bitcoin price increases.

That is how all the kinds of markets in the world should work. I can't imagine anything simpler and more natural than the demand and supply rule. If you want o see BTC price increasing, put some effort on it, making Bitcoin popularity increase among your community, your online groups, your friends, your family... This way you are contributing to make more people invest like you, consequently increasing the currency's price for everyone benefit from it, but always keeping in mind it's not a certain to become rich overnight and always being aware about the two sides of the coin, what pushes it up, pushes it down as well.
520  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Really? Next Bitcoin is Litecoin on: February 16, 2018, 11:07:17 PM
Litecoin is considered the silver in relation to Bitcoin (gold). As I know, silver doesn't turn into gold.  Cheesy

Bitcoin will continue ruling Crypto-Currency world for a long time yet. There isn't any chance for an AltCoin to take the podium this year, next year or in few years. No one is more trusted than Bitcoin on this world, the original Crypto-Currency among all of them. Litecoin is a very nice currency and has the sympathy of many enthusiasts, but it will continue being a secondary AltCoin...
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