If this idea came to practise, mods would be buried in reports. Since you can go to bounty section or bitcoin discussion and just click away, pretty much, every other post and basically get enough merit for a few ranks. Also, this would allow farming of alts again, same method. Sooo.... Nope, not a good idea. I'm never against people getting rewarded for their efforts, but reporting is something which is easily abused if there's gain associated with it, and it seems like Xandry may have been rewarding per report which is even worse due to the sheer amount that could be reported for merit. Maybe there is a way to reward those who report, but merit is not one of them, and anything else that I can think of would quickly lead to abuse at least the way it is users are reporting for the right reasons.
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For hardware wallet, i recommended you to buy/use Ledger Nano S, it's highly secure and worth it
Hardware wallets aren't any more secure than a securely generated Desktop/offline wallet. The only difference with hardware wallets is that they take precautions that users might not when they are accessing their funds regularly. This would be the only time I would recommend using a hardware wallet, however hardware wallets; both the Trezor, and Ledger have had security issues in the past which have since been patched.
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I have mixed feelings on this. Xandry likely has innocent intentions, but doesn't realize that this could very easily be abused, and could result in more spam/infringing posts. I would like to think they would stop rewarding merits if they suspected this to be the case. I don't think Xandry should face punishment for this, nor be removed as a merit source. I think they should definitely stop awarding merits for reports, because of the likelihood of abuse especially now that it's more public than it was before.
If they aren't a merit source, and was awarding members with sMerit they'vereceived himself through their posts I don't think there would be too much of a problem, because at the end of the day it's up to the person what they perceive worthy of merit. However, if they are a merit source which looks likely then it could quickly become a problem as merit sources have more merits to send out, and are 'responsible' for rewarding high quality posts. Looking at the merit sent in seems that a few people have caught on to it, and it's the same users that keep popping up. I'm not sure if they've always reported, but at a external point of view looks like they've found an easy way to earn merit.
It's a strange one, because he's sending the merit to posts that have since been deleted which means that those users would of had to post in that thread before it was deleted. Makes me wonder on how they are reporting whether they are using the report to moderator button or simply just posting in the thread with instructions to the OP on what they have done wrong etc.
All of the above is on assumption, and viewing it from an external point of view. It would be interesting to see what Xandry has to say about it. I don't think we should be too quick to judge. I think the only problem I see is: 1. Xandry is a merit source 2. How easy it is to abuse.
@OP You know how to plug your threads don't you?
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Yep, and it apparently isn't peanuts--especially if you live in the poorer parts of Asia or wherever. It makes me wonder how these bounty participants are living in real life, because I suspect that some of them can earn enough money to actually purchase a house. I don't know that for sure, but I'm very curious about their earnings.
No mixed feelings on my part. I think these guys are basically variations on the typical e-mail inbox spammer, the kind of stuff you'd see before filters, advertising male enhancement crap and get-rich-quick schemes. They spend their time and energy on activities which only benefit themselves and do nothing to benefit anyone else. The sickening part is, as I've alluded to above, that they earn incredible amounts of money doing this.
We've been over this ground many times before. Theymos needs to crack down on these project developers; bounty managers need to weed out alt accounts and neg-rated users; and bounty participants need to meet a minimum standard for posting on bitcointalk. The social media aspect of this is less concerning for me, since it's up to FB/Twitter users to filter out spam--but this shit has gotten out of hand here and someone needs to slam on the brakes.
What I fail to understand is a lot of them don't even put in any effort at all. I don't know about you, but I find the majority of the population is motivated by money, and as a result if they are getting paid a good wage as opposed to other jobs then they would put in effort to keep that going. Especially, since there's a lot of competition in the 'market'. Instead they spew non English replies out, and quite often are found guilty of plagiarism. Even though the above is a poor attitude it's better than making no effort at all.
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I have a feeling that this is done with the help of staff. Once a person is able to get away with multiple accounts, he will try to expand to as much as possible.
We can only report such cases and hope that some action is taken by staff.
Multiple accounts is allowed, and staff don't moderate scams. Therefore, any reports made because of this will be marked as bad, and no action taken. The only time alt accounts may face consequences is when one of their accounts has been caught breaking the rules, and action has been taken. For example, if one of their accounts has been caught spamming or spreading ref links, and is banned for it. Only then will the alternate accounts be banned too, and that's assuming that the staff have enough evidence that the accounts are linked. This isn't a moderation issue. Rather something that the bounty managers have to deal with themselves. The issue is that the bounty managers don't care. Possibly implementing restrictions on who can be bounty managers or post bounties/annoucement threads is the solution to the problem. But, it's no way a moderation issue.
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Every person which register on this forum is starting from 0 and they earn merits so newbie is the same like everyone at the beggining, you need to be patient.
Not exactly true those that registered before the merit system was implemented started at a generic number. Members = 10, Full Member = 100, Sr. Members = 250, Hero members 500, and finally Legendary Members = 1000. Of course, you should be aware of this since you registered in 2013, and started off with 250 merit. Those who register from now on start on 0.
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There isn't enough content/evidence before the alleged hack. Even though there's a huge post gap sometimes this can be expected when Bitcoin has an exponential rise, and rekindles the persons desire about cryptocurrencies/Bitcoin.
They have posted what appears to be a public address through an altcoin (middlecoin?). You could try, and get them to sign from there. Whether or not that coin is still alive will likely decide whether they have the private key to that address.
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Why not then make a new additional rank for example : Bounty Manager, like the Copper Member. So only those ranked ones will be allowed to post in the bounty section. There should be a procedure to apply for such position, based on different criteria,maybe same as the Merit sources today. This will reduce the fake and scam projects and the spam too. Of course it makes everything more centralized. I guess is too much time and work implementing those changes, and it will be easier just to remove the bounty section but, it's all about compromises.
This doesn't really do anything about them managing the campaign though. All this does is puts a payment barrier for those who want to become a bounty manager. They could still pay the fee, and not moderate it. That's assuming your going to treat it like the Copper Membership. If you are going to have some sort of criteria like the applicants of merit sources then I'm not sure how this would work either. What sort of data would they have to present to get accepted?
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The bounty managers aren't going to care if it's automated or manual.
I don't know how much people are earning from these bounties, and I used to think it was peanuts. However, it does seem people are willing to go extraordinary lengths in order to do it.
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In my perspective, I think for those members who are finding it hard to earn even a single merit, I think it is better if set their mindset to get merit while posting instead of posting just for the sake of the bounties or like you said "like normal people". For the most part, I think if they just act like normal people they will never get merit because of the way they are posting now, no effort or thoughts. But if they post with merit on their mind, I think they will exert more effort that usual.
Why? They will only receive their merit, and then go back to their shitposting ways once they can earn more from their bounties. You shouldn't be posting for merit, or for bounties. When signature campaigns, bounties, and merit wasn't a thing many people posted for various different reasons. Mainly to talk about Bitcoin, and learn. However, this forum is quickly turning into a job center. Post because you want to post or you have something to say.
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How are you managing the list by formatting the links? It may consume a lot of time
P.S : Merit should have been implemented in Jan of 2017. Almost all the sr. and full member shitposters have registered during 2017.
Finding them is the easy part, but archiving their posts, and then formatting that is very tedious. It's why the list hasn't been updated as much as I would like. I've still got a load of accounts in a text document that need reviewing, archiving and then finally put on the list. I would do it without the archive bit, but I like to provide evidence where ever possible.
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On the whole, the Merit System seems to be working as a double-edged sword:
- On the one side, less people are ranking-up (and I’m not just talking about the younger members), and at a slower pace too. Those that do rank-up, put quite a bit of effort into it, so from the Forum’s content perspective that is something favourable. - On the other side, numbers are pretty low, and even worse if we dissect the profiles of ranked-up members and determine that a large amount are DT tagged or suspicious to say the least.
Content has got much better since the introduction of the merit system, however regarding users ranking up slower; That's working as intended, although it might be true that only exceptional members are going to rank up multiple times we should see an improvement in this when there's a few hundred merit sources. Since there is no "global ledger" with the cases and their status of resolution, and a protocol that is guided by it’s use, endless loop situations will occur. But because there are no crystalline rules on how to proceed, so will the abuse continue as a means to bypass the difficulties of getting merited.
Low amounts of merit being traded between alts isn't a problem as they'll likely run out of sMerit before they rank up any of their accounts. If they are trading a large amount between their accounts then this should be fairly easy to recognize. The users that feel they need to trade merit between themselves aren't likely to put in the effort to get external merit either.
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I had also missed the 'Your report history' link, but I've started to report spam from the Bitcoin Discussion topic 3 days ago (with nearly 0 report count that time). I haven't really paid attention for the number of the reports so close, so I can only guess that the magic number is somewhere around 300 reports, because today I'm over 300 and the 'Your report history' link has appeared. It's good to see which posts were reported in vain...
Strange number, but I guess it's been implemented to prevent those who only report now, and again from moaning about their reports being bad. Seems to be working so far as I've not seen any complaints.
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I'm doing my reporting especially when I'm on the phone and I just browse around, so I can't easily check that it's plagiarism. What is worse, some of those threads (nuked now) had only one line, a speculation about the price, I can't accuse a post like that of plagiarism... But, reading pugman's post too it seems members have the same opinion on this, I think I'll go next with this approach.
Oh, and... newbie jail.....where are you ?!!?!!
Fair enough. I hate reporting on my phone, and only do it with simplistic cases. Obviously, I'm not sure what you are refering too, but if it's not plagiarism then just comment something like: "Wrong section, doesn't belong in Bitcoin Discussion. Move to Speculation".
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Or you can just report to moderator about the bounty campaign having a multiple account enrolled in that simple reporting you slap the face of that user using a multiple account simultaneously to earn unprofessional money.
Bounty campaigns aren't moderated. Staff will not do anything, therefore it's a waste of yours, and their time reporting it.
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Post in the reputation section. Moderators don't moderate alt accounts that are in enrolled in the same campaign. Scams aren't moderated either. Look at other threads in the reputation section to see what stands as proof
I will say though try, and keep it within one thread, and not multiple ones.
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So 'we' are asking forum members to report 200 or more posts, and this could result in multiple submissions to the mods. That is a lot of work for all involved. It seems like madness to me, when a simple policy of restricting new members posting facilities would go a long way towards avoiding the problem in the first place. Many other forums do this, and they don't have BT's level of spamming problems.
I'm not asking anyone to report 200 or more reports. One or two is good enough. A few people have already dedicated themselves to reporting more, but it's their choice at the end of the day. If they want a cleaner forum for the time being until restrictions are possibly implemented then the only way to go about it is reporting. I'm not expecting them to go hunting for them either, but if they happen to stumble upon spam within their normal usage of the forum then it doesn't take long at all to report.
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If you want I've got a list here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832305.msg29034329#msg29034329You can manually check them, and see if you want to add any of them to your list if you are going to be updating it regularly as I'm finding it difficult to keep regular updates due to the fact I'll only ever add users to that list with archive evidence which can be extremely tedious to do. Especially formatting it all. So feel free to use any of them on that list as I'm only going to be aiming to update every now, and then. Here you go have a free legendary member to add to the list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357163
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My question to the mods, how to properly report those threads? "This user might be a bot since there are others with the same nickname style that are posting crap" does't look like a good explanation to me in a report. I know your looking for a mods explanation, but if we are specifically referring to the 1 post newbie bot invasion I've just been reporting them with "Plagiarism. Original source: <link to original source> Every single one of them I've come across was either using old posts here on the forum or copying from popular news websites. The earliest post I've seen copied was in 2010. All of them were marked good so should be sufficient.
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I'm sure it has probably been mentioned on a Metal thread somewhere... But perhaps we need some rules (guidelines?) governing the running of campaigns... Especially ones that "pay to post". Having said that, is there actually a way to make campaign managers more accountable for the output of their campaign participants? If there are viable solutions... should we make them (the managers) accountable? Or should we simply continue to name and shame the users who are shitposting? There's really only two ways to prevent the current abuse. Either, we tackle the issue by imposing guidelines/rules that are enforced by the staff members or we take things into our own hands, and tag campaign managers. I feel like the first suggestion would be the best, and the second suggestion wouldn't likely affect them as the people who hire them don't really care about the quality of the campaign, and only getting their name out there. I'm not sure what theymos thinks about tackling the abuse via moderation, but I imagine he will treat it the same as spam. Although, I would argue that they are offering an incentive for bad quality posts, and therefore are the same as threads offering an incentive just on a much wider scale.
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