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4361  Other / Meta / Re: To all the statistics guys out there, here's a challenge. on: August 16, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
In addition to this it would be nice to see the top amount of users who have given that last bit of merit to rank someone up. I'm not sure the amount of work which would be required for this so shall we say a top 10?
4362  Other / Meta / Re: The forum is penalizing Tor users on: August 16, 2019, 10:02:51 AM
Okay using my firefox browser I visited this: https://www.vpninsights.com/webrtc-leak-test
It indeed detected my real IP  Roll Eyes

But when I tried with TOR browser directly, it could not detect it.

Thanks TryNinja, ETFbitcoin and Welsh.

Its good practice although probably unnecessary to check whether the tor browser is leaving any fingerprints, and to check it with sites like these. Just in case you've changed a setting which compromises it. Remember, things like maximizing the window on tor browser can compromise privacy when you're browsing sites which collect that information. 
4363  Other / Meta / Re: Limit signature campaigns on: August 15, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
Signature itself does not do anything wrong or annoying. Only people who abuse the forum by wearing signature and spam around, with very low-quality, low-content posts are issues, not signature. Turn off all signature might have negative effects on forum traffic, and this is one of main reasons why signature will be here. There is nothing wrong or annoying if someone makes high quality, contentful posts with signature behind their post.

I believe theymos has stated before that it isn't traffic he's worried about when concerning signatures, and has even hinted that in the future they might even be removed. If my memory serves me correctly what he did say was it would be a shame to sort of remove a ecosystem within the forum. Although, I haven't got the links/quotes on me now I can see if I can find them later on when I have a little more time on my hands.
4364  Other / Meta / Re: The forum is penalizing Tor users on: August 15, 2019, 02:26:28 PM
Okay, I was not aware about it at all. How about if I clear my history and cache every time I restart my Firefox? Do I start clean again in this case?
My advice would be if you care about privacy then don't substitute Tor Browser for firefox extensions, and settings. Tor Browser is bulit on the firefox browser, but has been refined to do exactly what needs to be done to keep your privacy intact. You can't emulate that with extensions or settings without having the same issues Tor Browser is subject too.

There are settings within Tor Browser to make it restrictive, and therefore improve browsing experience for some websites.
4365  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 15, 2019, 12:10:26 PM

From my point of view, Yes both participants and managers if they're intentionally promoting this project which has been labeled scam and when i mean scam, am not speaking of the simple issues instead those that can lead to demage or lost of fund of other forum members. If these guys are willing to put their reputations on the line for few bucks then they do deserve the tag.

No, if they're not aware of the scamming behavior of the projects. Some projects Initially don't start as scams from the very beginning so they shouldn't be held responsible but for those which are clear cases (like, fake team, Ponzi scheme, plagiarism sites, whitepaper etc) we should discourage people from patronizing this project through through signature ads on the forum and the best way to achieve that is by enforcing tagging of the promoters after they must have been warned.
I would agree that a project failing doesn't mean it's a scam. These are called investments for a reason, however this of course means that a project stuck to its promises, and it simply failed because it wasn't as successful as they originally planned. This is where the area gets gray though. What if the intentions of the project was to scam from the beginning, and we have evidence of that, but there's no evidence of the project manager being involved. I would probably lean on the side of innocent until proven guilty on that one, but this is why I believe putting your name to a project that you aren't personally involved in is a pretty risky move because you don't know the intentions of these projects. Managing a signature campaign is different, you're effectively promising to pay the participants for advertising the service as long as you carry out that you aren't really tied to the project, unless you're willingly advertising a scam project which again is a different scenario.
4366  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why nodes need to maintain full list of blocks? on: August 15, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
By running exact copies you're assuring that the code hasn't been altered, and the Blockchain hasn't been altered in anyway. There isn't any malicious transactions such as spending on one network, but not spending on another. The copies simply verify that everyone has the same Blockchain. They check against each other for any abnormalities.
4367  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 15, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Participants should not be tagged, if those scam projects and OPs have not yet get negative trusts and Active Flags from DT members.
I was referring to the campaign manager. Lets say we disallow new accounts from opening threads on the altcoin section, and we only allow Full members, and beyond. If that project turns bad for legitimate reasons or not should the campaign manager be held responsible too? They are not only managing the campaign, but they're also posting the announcement thread for the project.

I bring up the issue because I know that a lot of campaign managers do not care for the ethnics behind the project, and only care about the money that the job brings. Being a campaign manager brings in some decent money for the amount of work that's required of you. Especially, since it's quite obvious that some projects in the altcoin section especially are using automatic ways of enrolling users, and counting posts.

Personally, from my stand point if I were a campaign manager I would be micromanaging every aspect of it, and I'd probably be a little bit too strict, but at the end of the day your image, and the companies image is everything, and if you're allowing low quality spammers posting around the forum that doesn't look good. I know this isn't the way advertising works, and spamming actually brings results, however from a personal moral standpoint if you're getting paid to do something you better be doing it right, and to the best of your ability.
4368  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 15, 2019, 11:34:10 AM
The only issue of higher ranked members accepting payments for posting an announcement for them they're effectively promoting that business. The owners of the coin are using the reputation, and age of the user who posts for them. Despite what I think, and what others might think that age of account doesn't mean squat when it comes to advertising or vouching for a service or whatever. From a newbie perspective they're generally going to trust those higher leveled accounts. This then begs the question, should we tag those that are advertising these projects? I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be willing to put my name to any old project.

I do agree that the moderation of the current signature campaigns from the signature managers point of view is an issue. However, I feel combining copper membership, and the required to pay the forum a yearly amount or something to be able to post their thread would prevent most issues. Although, not all startup projects are going to have the funds necessary for this, and they might well be decent projects.
4369  Other / Meta / Re: Limit signature campaigns on: August 15, 2019, 11:28:19 AM
The signature campaign and bounties are not the same as it was compared to 2017 ICO boom.

Signature campaigns may die a natural death and spam may also die with it.

Just let nature take its course.



They're still a big part of the forum, especially within the altcoin section. Bounties are crazy, and there's new ones popping up every hour. Bitcoin signature campaigns are dying out slowly probably due to the fact that Bitcoins price is fluctuating so much, and its considered more valuable. Now that ICO's know that they can offer their coin shares instead of Bitcoin which might very well never amount to anything they are opting for that approach. Being a Bitcoin forum I'd like to think these campaigns should be required to pay in Bitcoin or at least pay a fee to the forum in Bitcoin like already mentioned.
4370  Other / Meta / Re: Member infographics [Taking Requests] on: August 15, 2019, 11:18:36 AM
Possibly going through the list of profiles with the most trust, recognition, and the other statistics on the Vod's BPIP could be a good idea if users here are too humble to request their profiles to be converted into a infographic Wink

Not sure how you're going to wade through thousands of posts per user to find substantial quotes by them though. That would be an achievement in its own right. Take these for example:

Username                        Posts
philipma1957       30766
Amph                       28909
BADecker               26676
Lauda                       25251
deisik                       22011
Phinnaeus Gage       21967
ChartBuddy               21804
Gleb Gamow               20486
hilariousandco       20398

For such a small amount of users that's a lot of posts to wade through.
4371  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 15, 2019, 11:16:48 AM
I'm off the believe since the final decision making is mostly influenced by just one individual in the person of theymos (correct me if I'm wrong) that's why he's finding it difficult to implement the suggestion of making all signature campaign payment to be made in either Bitcoin or any altcoins with value (preferable Grin or ETH). The truth of the matter is these projects popping up every now and then would comply simply because it's the rules of the forum and this will bring about more professionalism to signature bounty. As a result reduce the spam level on these boards tagged spam baords.
My personal stand on the situation is; Yeah put limitations on signature, and bounties which aren't paying in Bitcoin. Make it mandatory that they either pay Bitcoin to the forum as a payment to advertise or pay its participants in Bitcoin. Possibility even combining the two.  This would in my opinion remove most of the scam projects which likely don't have any Bitcoin to their name, and therefore promise that their coin is going to boom, and you'll be rich through the minuscule shares they're offering. I'm generally not one for putting restrictions on users, however what's the alternative? Eventually, theymos will likely have enough, and end up banning signature campaigns period, and despite all the problems they're currently causing that would be a shame. I wouldn't be entirely against the idea of banning them completely though, honestly.

For the projects that do have the funds, then great this likely won't affect them too much, and generally those that are paying in Bitcoin are of higher quality. (I say generally as I know what the counter argument will be concerning a recent Bitcoin paying signature campaign)
4372  Other / Meta / Re: [SUGGESTION] Drafts Page on: August 15, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
Would be nice if we could edit drafts manually.
Erase them or keep drafts we need.

Drafts can be used more for sure, but I think most users don't even know where to find them.
It does state where you can find them on the post editing page right below the "post", and "preview" buttons. Shouldn't be too hard to miss, but generally I don't think they're needed to be used by the majority of users, and are there only for a just in case scenario. Managing our own drafts probably isn't needed as up to 100(?) drafts can be stored, and they get deleted automatically.
4373  Other / Meta / Re: The forum is penalizing Tor users on: August 15, 2019, 11:05:56 AM
The server and the software of this forum prune IP of users sometimes?
IP's are kept depending on the way they're recorded, and the settings you've enabled.

Full IP is usually around 6 months, if you haven't selected limited retention which is then usually around 3 months. Partial IP is kept for around 2 years. City geolocation probably to assist with recovery is kept for longer than the others, and that's around 6 years. As mentioned above this can be found at: https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php
4374  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 15, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
Agreed. Forum should have new rule and requirements on mandatory fees to run campaigns, especially altcoins/ tokens. It is rarely to see good altcoins or tokens. Good means they actually not scam ones, and really developed by their team over long period enough, and have their usecases. Most of altcoins, ICO-based projects run here are scam ones, so yes, they partially damage forum reputation.
Standardizing payouts is an interesting one. Although, I'm not sure how that would work considering that most altcoins are paying out with shares of their tokens which are generally worth next to nothing. I'd like to see altcoins required to pay either in Bitcoin or pay the forum to be able to run a signature campaign. Same goes for bounties, I believe they should be paying to advertise on the forum. The amount of issues that prop up from these sort of campaigns are probably the majority of reports we have. This has been discussed before, and as far as I remember theymos wasn't entirely against the idea, but would probably make a few changes to fit within his vision for the forum.
4375  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Sections on: August 14, 2019, 02:18:50 PM
It's what people do. People often use blanket statements to be more effective in the way their words are perceived. It's alright saying "there are good posts there but the majority of it is spam" when "Altcoin Discussion is a spam section" has a much more active, and aggressive way of saying it. It's all about impact. Obviously, there's some really good discussion in every section of this forum about various different things.
4376  Other / Meta / Re: [SUGGESTION] Drafts Page on: August 14, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
If it's important enough to keep after 7 days, it's important enough to use in an external editor.

This is my stance on things. When creating my reporting thread that wasn't primarily kept on the forum drafts, and I only used it to preview it to find any formatting issues. Other than that it was created in a text editor, and saved periodically. I think the drafts feature is good enough as it is, and we don't really need anymore functionality to it.
4377  Other / Meta / Re: Limit signature campaigns on: August 10, 2019, 03:46:24 PM
Most of the members who replied in this thread are wearing signature, so it's expected that they will not favor on limiting signature campaign .
Even when I was a low rank member, I already participated in signature and honestly that makes me active in this forum.
Although, it would be a shame to ban something which in itself is fine, and the only reason its become a problem is because users are abusing it. However, if it were to get limited/banned then I probably wouldn't have an argument, because of the issues its currently causing the forum. There would be a whole load of users who would feel hard done by due to it being a minority, but maybe we should be looking at the campaign managers who are managing the participants. 
4378  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Hardware wallets still aren't secure, and they never will be. Use paper wallets on: August 10, 2019, 03:17:21 PM
Agreed. I use a mobile wallet for a few hundred dollars worth of bitcoin, which I carry around daily. I know it is far from being secure, but it's an amount I can easily afford to lose and an amount I would happily give to an attacker to prevent any physical harm to myself. The amount in that wallet is in no way linked to my main cold storage via blockchain analysis. My various cold storage wallets are also in no way linked, are of various types (hardware, paper, old laptop which has been airgapped), and are all stored separately.
I don't even know how much is in my cold storage as I haven't accessed it in a number of years. Although, I don't actually own a mobile wallet due to my precautions when dealing with anything mobile. I do have a wallet which stores a few hundred stored on my a computer which isn't regularly accessed. I'm not the type of Bitcoin fanatic which trades or sends transactions regularly though.
4379  Other / Meta / Re: Links Promotion / Users without value for forum! on: August 10, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
I believe you can always put this information in the report message. Something like "this user does nothing but spam his link. Check his post history an nuke him" or even create a thread for reference and link it there. It would be up for the mod to decide if it's worth a ban, but I would personally say it is.
Yeah, you can put this in the report field, and this will usually either be ignored until a global moderator picks it up or it will be sent to someone with enough privileges to ban someone who has certain activity/rank. This user can't be just dealt with by a moderator, and only a global moderator or admin can issue a ban.
4380  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Hardware wallets still aren't secure, and they never will be. Use paper wallets on: August 09, 2019, 04:40:18 PM
Obviously the best way to mitigate a wrench attack is to maintain your privacy wo you don't become a target, but I've often wondered what the best way to survive it would be provided the attacker has already overcome that first step.

Unless they know for a fact your wallet set up (which is incredibly unlikely), then there is no real difference in using multi-sig and just telling them you are using multi-sig. However, if they are willing to physically attack you for money, is having everything you own locked away in multi-sig wallets really the best way to go? Perhaps you actually want to have some bitcoin available you can hand over for your own sake. Also, there's nothing really stopping them from forcing you to tell them where you've stored all your multi-sig keys instead of the keys themselves.
Good point. For an example of this if you were to get robbed on the street of your cash you would likely be willing to give up some pocket change to prevent any harm being done, but you're not exactly giving away your whole bank account. This is why I truly believe in having multiple wallets to store your funds. Everyone has their own tolerance of risk, and I don't really keep anything more than a few Bitcoin in my wallets at a time, and this will likely evolve as the Bitcoin price changes.
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