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4381  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Criticisms of the Lightning Network on: August 09, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
Well put. I think a lot of misconceptions regarding LN stem from mistaking the latter for the former. They seem to believe that LN smart contracts are governed by laws similar to legal laws (ie. a social construct based on trust and thus easily broken) while the laws smart contracts are governed by are more akin to the laws of physics.
As a side note this is what people should be pushing for when it comes to contracts with anything. Unbreakable contracts by either party which are enforced by a system such as the Blockchain. The Lightning Network is no doubt a good move even if its not perfect in itself, its a movement that will hopefully lead onto better things. Whether that's The Lightning Network or something different.
4382  Other / Meta / Re: Limit signature campaigns on: August 09, 2019, 04:34:40 PM
Did it occur to you that then people will focus on reporting?
Some will create accounts for making 1-5 posts that are reported, yay.
Many will report posts that maybe don't need to be reported.
It'll just create another problem imho.
Users won't report posts intentionally that they think are wrong reports, because it requires good reports to get a badge. Therefore, it would be counterproductive for them to report any old post. However, due to the amount of users reporting that will likely result in more bad reports, but that's a small trade off considering there should be a lot more good reports than bad.
4383  Other / Meta / Re: Complaint from the supervisor malevolent on: August 09, 2019, 04:31:56 PM
This is not fair
I'm now waiting for justice from forum owners here
no more .
It might not be fair from your point of view, however upon signing up to the forum you are signing up to the rules of the forum. Therefore, to sell the sort of stuff that you were trying to sell you'll need to wait until you have more of a history here. Newbie members selling this sort of stuff gets deleted, and its not just you that has been subject to that. Many users per day get their "business" deleted, because its against the forums guidelines.
4384  Other / Meta / Re: is it possible create an account anti-merit? on: August 09, 2019, 12:26:53 PM
Forking the forum, and creating a personalized forum (like in medicine, we have personalized medicine). In 2018, when merit system appeared, there were lots of warnings if admin would have not changed it, or stopped using it, users would have made forum hardforks, in order to have the version of forum without merit system. By now, I have not seen such forked forums yet.

This would be very difficult for anyone to achieve unless they already have a big following. Besides that anyone who cares about the forum will see that the merit system is beneficial to the forum as a whole, and has only a few minor issues with it. There's been other forums that have branched out, and tried to compete with Bitcointalk, but consider the history of Bitcointalk, and how its generally run none of them are even close to what this forum is. theymos generally does a good job in allowing free speech, and not being bias towards users.
4385  Other / Meta / Re: Conversation Bots on: August 09, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
I think it'd be helpful if patrollers are allowed to issue temp bans? I am not aware if they are allowed to that, as far as I can possibly recall. And there needs to be a little boost to the moderation team here, streamers on twitch have more mods than what bitcointalk does.  Undecided
Moderators cannot issue temporary bans only admins, and global moderators have the ability to do that. Moderators don't even have the ability to issue a permanent ban other than the nuke option. Twitch streamers also have an agenda when "hiring" moderators in that they are either rewarding long term viewers, appointing friends, or giving an incentive for users to stick around, and watch them. I do agree that there's a few sections which require additional moderators, but I'm not sure whether there's enough reporting data in those sections in the right time zones etc.
4386  Other / Meta / Re: Should I lock my Chance to Rank Up thread for Newbies and Jr. Members? on: August 09, 2019, 12:20:19 PM
In my personal case, if I have a nice sum of personal merits that is just piling up, rather than just watching them pile up a bit more (not that much lately), every now and then I redistribute a few amongst previously merited posts by me, bringing by backlog of personal merits to just few leftovers after the event.

I also do this, and I have a text document somewhere with a list of threads that needed merit when I didn't have any. You'll often see me revisiting threads, and posts that I have previously merited. Especially, since my merit allocation has increased, I believe previous posts I may have merited wasn't enough as I usually send around 5-10 merits now. I'd rather merit posts that have a tonne of merit which are of good quality than to have them waste away. I guess its a little different for merit sources though, and those who have sMerit can hoard it for a little longer than usual.
4387  Other / Meta / Re: My friend's bitcointalk account is banned, please help him on: August 09, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
It's everyone's responsibility to know the basic rules before posting on the forum. However, what was your friend banned for exactly? If its posting in the wrong section, then they wouldn't be banned for that. If its a permanent ban I would wager that its for plagiarism.  

All your friend can do is email the email included in the ban message if there is one to appeal the account. That's the only possible way the account will be unbanned.
4388  Other / Meta / Re: Do you often use report button? There are guides to more effectively report on: August 09, 2019, 11:07:54 AM
Should we increase our reporting to moderators?  Smiley

I am thinking not to bother moderators to much, and I often go only with adding Negative Trust for specific user.
Sometimes I go with report + negative trust

The trust system really isn't meant for dealing with spam or anything like that. You are not bothering the moderators by reporting, there's a reason we are moderators. We accepted the role, and therefore we expect to deal with reports. Also, we always appreciate those that do report, and it makes our job easier!
4389  Other / Meta / Re: Should I lock my Chance to Rank Up thread for Newbies and Jr. Members? on: August 09, 2019, 11:06:08 AM
I would take LoyceV's advice of meriting posts that deserve it literally. I know its always nice to give the opportunity to users that are of low rank, but I don't take that into consideration when I send merit. I have no criteria whatsoever when it comes to activity, and rank. If suchmoon or LoyceV make yet another good post I'm going to send merit their way, because they don't deserve it any less than a newbie making their sort of posts. At the end of the day though its your merit, and you get to decide.
4390  Economy / Services / Re: Job opportunity 3$/month + moderator post on: August 09, 2019, 10:47:17 AM
If you've had just launched the forum you aren't likely to have that many users signing up, and participating in discussion. You could probably manage any spam that comes your way yourself. I doubt that you would need to work 2 hours a day on this. Considering your pay for the month is lower than the minimum wage for an hour in most countries you are definitely not going to get someone who's worth their weight in moderating. 
4391  Other / Meta / Re: [FARM SUPPRESSION] Clearing the Horde of Spammers on: August 08, 2019, 04:03:50 PM
For every post of a scammer you get removed is one post they won’t get paid for.
This is true, but man....sometimes it feels like trying to eradicate a flea infestation by killing them one-by-one.  There are just so many shitposts spread out over so many sections that, to me at least, it's an overwhelming task.  

I haven't checked my report history, but I think I have well over 4000 reports with 99% accuracy.  I used to do a lot more reporting than I've done lately, but then again I used to not have certain sections on ignore.  If I were to un-ignore Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion or any subsection in the altcoin section, I could spend innumerable hours just reporting garbage posts--and I'm not sure what kind of moderation is going on there.
I honestly wish it was a full time job of mine, but life gets in the way. I think I've grown attached to this forum over the years, and have some sort of passion for it. It's annoying to see spammers destroying what we've all worked so hard to achieve. Eventually, I can see it happening that signature campaigns will be removed for good, despite theymos being against the idea I think the spam problem as Bitcoin popularity grows will force his hand. It would be a tremendous shame that we would have to lose a sort of ecosystem within the forum because of that though. We could put warnings out to those that are spamming, about the long term implications they are having to their "career", but it would likely yield more negative results than positive.
4392  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Methods: Artificial Text Generation on: August 06, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
We don't even have to know if it's generated by AI - if it's garbage it needs to be deleted, and if AI becomes smart enough to prove me wrong... Come to think of it, some of the trolls might be AI, you don't need much intelligence to repeat "earth is a pancake with a magic metal roof" ad nauseum.
This is the current downfall of the software. I also don't really like labeling everything with "AI" these days, and I'm not even sure if that's even at all possible. This software isn't learning, and is generating its content through spinning words by using a thesaurus, and generating words via its corpus rather than truly learning.  However, all this method really does from a spam point of view is look more constructive at a glance, however the closer you look you'll see that it is as you elegantly put "meaningless wordy diarrhea".

As I've mentioned from a spam point of view its not that good when you've got human moderators, and users looking at the response. However, from an anonymous point of view this is surprisingly effective at getting rid of linguistic habits that you might be conveying unintentionally.   

4393  Other / Meta / Re: Spam Methods: Artificial Text Generation on: August 06, 2019, 07:04:44 PM
This is also used for avoiding detection via stylometry or better known as linguistic fingerprint. Truth is we all have unique ways of conveying our information, and its not different on this forum. Therefore,  we fall into patterns with the words we use, punctuation, and slang (and if you're TMAN the amount of times you say "fuck" in your replies). Right down to how often you quote someone, and how much you edit of said quote can be evaluated, and possibly gauged via a probability guess very much like GLTR guesses the next word.

The problem with stylometry is it can  be combated multiple ways, and the examples in the OP are ways that this can be done. However, most users including those using Tor browser usually do leave some sort of fingerprint behind, because they're not willing to change their habits every time they post or use automatically generated texts like the examples in the OP. Luckily, there are tools out there which capture the percentage of text which has been reused, and you can make an educated assumption that this post has been altered by one of the methods.

These posts despite looking very impressive to begin with are definitely noticeable, and have happened in the past. I believe hilariousandco has posted about this issue before, and a few users that were abusing these tools were dealt with. Despite their sophisticated appearance, they will be dealt with if these posts are reported. However, they do definitely take a lot more attention than the general spam.

As these tools get more sophisticated, and their corpora gets expanded we'll likely see more, and more of this being used.
4394  Other / Meta / Re: Conversation Bots on: August 06, 2019, 06:49:47 PM
Selling a merited account is now a very big business. Someone can now buy account of his choice now. I do suspect is now a well organize teamed up group to create account and get it merited and sell it. The only way we can stop them is to understand the way they operate and report them
Probably, but they leave a trace every time they sell merit at least, unlike account sales. Therefore, finding these serial merit sellers should be an easier task. There's been a few busted since the introduction of the merit system. AFAIK, considering the amount of users who have ranked up under the new system merit abuse isn't as big as originally thought to be.
4395  Other / Meta / Re: [Re] Basic rules. on: August 06, 2019, 06:46:18 PM
I agree, it is sometimes necessary to create new thread with similar topic of old thread
as long as the new thread has something new (of old topic) to discuss, I think it would be ok
and replying to an old thread even with new information may still be deleted Cry for necrobump reason
You do run the risk of interpretation of the moderator who handles that report. For me, if new information has been given, and there's an interesting discussion to be had I personally don't mind necrobumps. However, most of the time its better to create a new thread. Not many users get reported for necrobumping with useful information to the thread.
4396  Other / Meta / Re: New child board for Trader Journals on: August 05, 2019, 06:38:32 PM
If there's enough content to justify its own section, then this will likely happen. However, looking at the amount of trader journals there are on the forum it doesn't currently justify its own section. Of course, you could argue that creating a dedicated section would increase the amount of users creating these types of threads, but probably the best idea would be to create one thread where everyone contributes their trading journals for the time being.
4397  Other / Meta / Re: [Re] Basic rules. on: August 05, 2019, 06:33:41 PM
wasting time on the same topic, in vain.

It would only be in vain if the thread presents no new discussion. A lot of people don't like replying on older threads when the discussion is outdated, and because most substantial users here will read from the first page on wards to catch up with the discussion older threads can sometimes be problematic if that information is now outdated. For example, there's numerous threads over in the speculation section which are repeating topics from several years ago, but because of the ongoing nature of the value, and price of Bitcoin ongoing discussion is going to happen. Sure, we don't need several guides on how the trust system, because one guide is enough, but not everything is black, and white when repeating topics occur.
4398  Other / Meta / Re: [Re] Basic rules. on: August 05, 2019, 10:50:11 AM
I can only suggest that you should make a little effort to look at the old archives before starting a new discussion topic, so that you avoid with the same post. for that if indeed what you want discussed or asked is not there, please create a discussion topic that you want to discuss.
If that information is outdated, and you want to ask a more the current stance on the topic then that's usually fine. As long as its bringing some sort of constructive discussion, and not just repeating what has been said before its fine to have duplicate threads as long as they are fairly spread apart, and not ongoing discussion at the same time.
4399  Other / Meta / Re: Reporting Proof Of Authentication posts on: August 04, 2019, 09:57:16 PM
I know it creates spam but I feel the Social network posts are also spamming the entire thread. Whenever I need to ask a question, my post gets lost among these comments and I don't get any reply unless I message the BM (who misses it at times as he is busy). These users keep quoting their posts which again should be not allowed (more than 3 quotes makes it look messy). 99% of the threads are filled with such posts and I feel that even if reporting is needed, the users can edit their OP instead of spamming the thread.
I'm not a fan of the proof of authentication posts, and believe there's other ways to automatically do this. Especially, with systems like Discord, and Telegram where they can setup automatic bots to determine whether a proof of authentication is formatted correctly, and acceptable. These could go in a dedicated channel which wouldn't be spammed to the public.

Although, I'm not a fan of allowing this sort of content on the forum it is allowed, unless they're offering an incentive to post them.
4400  Other / Meta / Re: Increase privileges of local moderators on: August 04, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
This is true for plagiarism cases (and spammers). But for ban evasion or trolls, in most cases ban requests are not handled. This is not a criticism, GM has to understand the language, the context, etc....

But if local mods had the possibility to "minor temp ban" newbies (and Jr member ?), maybe it would calm the most virulent trolls/spammers.
The first minor temp ban would ban the member for an hour. The second ban for 6 hours. Then 12 hours, then 24 hours which would be the maximum. And a user could only be "minor temp banned" once a week.

I'm probably overlooking the language barrier, because I haven't experienced that for obvious reasons. Trolling is a highly subjective subject most of the time, and as you know there's multiple factors that are considered when concerning trolling. My experience with ban evasion is its usually dealt with pretty swiftly, as long as there's undeniable proof.

Small micro bans might be a idea to implement, and could prove to be beneficial I guess. Possibly, only banning them from the local section, and not the entire forum.
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