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581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: December 03, 2023, 09:40:03 PM
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Sounds like you don't really understand freedom, liberty, and the basics of how governments work.

The only reason why Trump is having the trouble he is having is, he agreed to it.The laws of the US are applicable to government people more than they are to non-government people. Why? Because government people took the Oath of Office (OoO). Since Trump is not in government any longer, he is not under the OoO at the moment. If he doesn't prosecute the government people for the harm they are doing to him, that's his business.

I know it a big step in understanding for a slave like you to take, but at least try to free yourself from the ignorance. Or do you like being a slave?

Cool

He certainly swore the Constitution - the one you have not read and do not understand.

You are here the only slave to your own ignorance and fantasies. The worst king of ignorant - the one who does not even know the extent of his own lack of knowledge and the worst kind of slave - one who thinks is free and lives in a wonderland of pink unicorns. Freedom is earned with blood and sweat, not shit-linking all over adult people having serious discussions.

Go to kindergaten kiddo.

582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: December 03, 2023, 12:31:55 AM
Back on topic, with an UK newspaper just for you that seem to like the UK so much:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gag-order-trial-latest-news-b2456671.html

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Trump suffers double court blow over Jan 6 cases: Latest
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A long-awaited federal appeals court ruling on Friday determined that Mr Trump can be held civilly liable for inciting the riots at the US Capitol on 6 January, 2021 in the wake of his 2020 loss.

The ruling, which followed three lawsuits from law enforcement officers and members of Congress whose lives were threatened that day, finds that the former president cannot use presidential “immunity” as a shield from that litigation.

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Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

Cool

You have a big problem. You have your idea of how the world should work according to you. But you do not seem to understand the difference between your wishful thinking and real life. You live in an illusion in which you can live your philosophy - and impose it on others - as a standalone ignorant in a world that owes you some inherent respects for your rights. I have bad news for you: The world cares shit about you and what you think. Modern states are organised how they are for many reason, but the key takeaway for you is that you do not get to change them to suit your views. - Relax, man (or are you a woman?). You don't have to get all hyper. I know that waking up can be difficult. But relax. You will wake up a lot easier that way.

God controls the world. He does it according to his love for people, even though they fight Him or try to ignore Him. So, it doesn't matter what the world thinks. What matters is their relationship with God.


Your ideals are ridiculous e.g. "the right to contract" -  the right to contract does not exist in nature, it requires laws and the ability to enforce it, else a contract is as good as a cowshit. - What does nature have to do with it. The right to contract is something for beings who can reason like people can. The animals live by instinct (ultra-complex programming).

The right to contract is legally written differently in different countries. I have shown you the way it is written in the US - https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-10/clause-1/contract-clause. Search on it. It has been adjudicated to mean that people have the right to contract with others.

If there wasn't any contract law at all, natural contract law would still exist among the people. Then, it would be the parties to the contract who would enforce their contracts. Having it written in law simply makes it easier. Or didn't you know that it was people who made the laws and Constitutions, and had to agree or not agree to them?


For example - and I know you are an absolute ignorant on this, so just fucking google it - you do not get to put any valuation on an asset. There are strict rules on what the value is because if not people would be committing fraud after fraud. Your own fucking source is telling you that the bankers knew the values were wrong. - Don't you own any property? If you do, you will find all kinds of people who will place different values on your property. If they all decide to value it the same, it's because they have a simple agreement (contract) with other people to value it that way. But the value that counts is the value you place on it, because you are the owner. Do you really like being overruled on your valuation of your own property?

I also know your are also an absolute ignorant regarding micro-economics - so just fucking google this - "Offer and demand" - the price is formed by a point in which demand an offer meet. Not at whatever price the owner decides if nobody would buy at that price. - Suppose you wanted to sell a piece of your property to others. If nobody will buy it, it's because you placed too big of a price on it. Take your pick. Revalue it at a lower price, or keep it. It's called the free market.

If you and the people of your country don't have freedom to value things they trade between themselves, there is very little for you guys to live for. If government figures out the price of everything that is bought and sold in your land, then what's the use of trying to get ahead in life? It's all been decided for you, already.


I have also figured out by now that you are also an ignorant on regards to history, law and in general any aspect of civilization. Just fucking go to Amazon and buy a few books. - Do you even see what I mean? The libraries are full of books that are free to use... at least in the US. All you can think of is spending money at some company to buy what you could use freely at the library. Think, man (or are you a woman?).

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun. - Don't you realize that people make the laws?

In the US, we have the 6th and 7th Amendments. Both of them allow a trial by a 12-person jury of ones peers. If the jury strikes down any law with regard to the current case, that law doesn't apply to the defendant. The jury rules. This is one of the BIG reasons why America is as free as it is. A little 12-person jury has rule over any laws that might have anything to do with a court case.


Said system includes, for example, the limits to a President authority, the illegality of arming mobs to assault the institutions, the authority of those that enforce the law,...If you want to change the basis of the US democracy and impose your tyranny, is not about winning the elections (which Trump could not even do the first time by popular vote BTW), is about a new civil war or, alternatively, get a supermajority willing to do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification. - The thing that you (and many people) don't realize is that the Constitution doesn't have authority over individual people unless they contract with government. The Constitution exists to protect the people from Government Officials. It applies to government, and government officials who try to use it against the people, have the jury to tangle with, as I have written above.

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do. - I don't need to read the Constitution. It applies to government people. But if they step out of line and harm me or other non-government individuals, I might use the Constitution to put government people in their place. Because that is what the Constitution is for.

Either all that or you are an agent of China selling fentanyl to underaged Americans and polluting this forum with links to fake information.

If you are a person in the UK, you should really find out the basics of UK law. It is similar to that of the US in many ways. It's even better in some ways, because if it is properly used, it bypasses a lot of thinking that one would have to do to put down evil government officials. One of the best places you can go to find out about both, US law and also UK law is Karl Lentz, here - https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da.

In the UK, and several other countries that use UK-style law, consider Kings Bench court. It formerly was Queens Bench until the Queen died. It's the court for the common people, if they use it right.



Cool

Again, I am not a person man or woman, I do not live anywhere and as far as you are concern I exist only in a cloud server in an unmapped island in the South Pacific. I know you are eager to judge people for their origin - it prevents your from having to think.

I do not need to watch a video on UK law, nor on the Napoleonic code, the Hammurabi code or the Constitución de La Argentina. I can read and I do it when I want to learn something. Try it.

UK does not have a constitution as such and the common law and body of jurisprudence is quite different from the US, not to mention the organisation of the state, but that is irrelevant here.

As it is irrelevant which country you live in, a contract is nothing without enforcement. That enforcement requires law that require such enforcement and a mechanism to incentivise compliance or enforce. That "free man" thing (should be free person)  is missing lots of pieces of the puzzle dude.

On the valuation of properties, look, I get it, you are way out of your league on this discussion. But if you own anything, go to the bank and try to get a credit (just as an exercise) with the argument that "I decide the value of my property, not you". They will explain to you how it works (after a good laugh of course).

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do. - I don't need to read the Constitution. It applies to government people. But if they step out of line and harm me or other non-government individuals, I might use the Constitution to put government people in their place. Because that is what the Constitution is for.

Yes, you do, you desperately need to read it. Even if it is an illustrated version for kids. The moment you are a citizen of a country you are under the rules. If you do not like it, you need to create your own country and there set your rules.

Let's follow your fantasy for a moment and assume that you can live in a country, but the laws do not apply to you - because you are so "special" or whatever other nonsense. You are voting because there is a constitution that grants you that right. That's it, you vote, you accept it. It took the blood and good thinking of many a good people (a million times better than you by any measure) to get you that right, instead of the right to plead loyalty to Charles V.

It also states what that votes means for and how the president is elected and the limits of the presidential power. As a hint for you that "do not need to read it", it does NOT say that you are electing a Messiah, your Saviour, a demi-god nor the next dalai-lama. You are electing a dude (or a gal) that has a specific job with specific rules.

If you do not like the constitution get a super-majority and make an amendment - meanwhile, it is what it is. If you try to change the rules by force (e.g. sending a mob to the Capitol to kill people) you get jail time or needle.

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun. - Don't you realize that people make the laws?

Yes, indirectly by choosing representatives. You are not "the people", you are an individual and do not get to make laws on your own.



583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Javier Milei wins presidency in Argentina on: December 02, 2023, 11:50:14 PM
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When a country farms its business out to other countries, the people of that country lose business. So, when Trump makes America great again through appropriate import-export taxes, he is simply bringing jobs and manufacturing back to America. It's good for the people, and it will be good for the business in the long run. Sure, there might be some upheaval in business for a while. But it's their own fault for going out of the country in the first place.

Cool

Please, do not show your ignorance on this thread, you have many others to choose from.

When a country chooses protectionism it works for a while because the local industry takes over all the business. In the long term, the country looses productivity an people have to pay higher prices for the good and services. Inflation and devaluation are usual results of this.

I encourage you to just google a bit before throwing "views" and try to learn a bit about the world instead of repeating the same blabber all over the forum.

Why do you think that Ukraine is fighting? It's protectionism from Russsia.

I don't know anything about Argentina's government, except that it is civil law country, not a common law country like the US. If they have juries in the courts down there, they aren't the same kind of juries and don't have the same kind of authority as in the US. This means that the whole government operation is different, even though it might look similar.

As long as a business remains in a State of the US states, without doing business over the borders, the Federal government has very little authority over it. Federal control comes when there is cross-border business, between States or internationally. The the Federal government acts, both to get tax money, and to regulate how the businesses benefit the States.

In the US, we can make any products that exist without help from other countries. And we can make them better and cheaper than other countries if we want. We don't need other countries. And it is the same with Argentina.

Essentially all inflation and devaluation come about from the money being used across borders. Look at the prosperity of the Amish, who generally don't do that kind of business, and often barter rather than using money at all.

Cool

Ukraine is fighting because it is "protectionism from Ruzzia"? do you understand what is protectionism? I mean, the definition, just the plain definition nothing deeper.

So, you think the US can make all products cheaper and better that anywhere else in the world without help from any other country?  Can you provide any supporting information for that or just one of those things you just say... you know... because "God tells you to".

Yes, I agree, you do not have a clue about Argentina, yet as usual it does not prevent you from polluting a thread about Milei with propaganda and ignorance.

584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 02, 2023, 11:24:05 PM
What happens when you blow up a train carrying tons of jet fuel inside a 19 km long tunnel in Siberia:

a) The tunnel gets badly damaged for a long time.
b) The security services of the Ruzzian Federation look stupid.
c) The main route between China and Ruzzia is halted.
d) Millions in fuel burn.
e) All of the above.

Hint: its (e).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=defflT_cN7M

Once in a while Ukrainian commanders and government officials stop propagandizing. Once in a while they tell the truth about what is really going on.


<link to fake information removed>



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Speaking to journalists from the Spanish newspaper El Pais, a Ukrainian commander codenamed "Ivan" disclosed that his unit is caught between a rock and a hard place....

May I see the link to El Pais or is it fake.

BTW the error on artillery is usually due to either overuse of the barrel or shooting at maximum range.

If you can't find a link to El Pias, you probably can't see it.

Ukraine artillery over use is what is happening, because the Ukraine military is losing the war, and they are frantic. You need to read between the lines.

However, Ukraine might be getting some help if they can hold out as long as it might take for the article, below, to happen. If it happens, the US military will need to recoup its $billions in losses. So, they will probably give Ukraine to their military people.

In what way will they give Ukraine to them? They will order their military people in there to fight against Russia, formally. Then, if the US military wins, the US will formerly take over Ukraine. If they don't, their military people will. And Ukraine won't be able to do anything about it because Ukraine's military is totally depleted as it is. No Ukraine military left to fight either the US or Russia.

Just a thought.

Cool

You post and source mention a publication by a serious diary ("El Pais", not "El Pias"). May I see the link or is it fake information, as usual?

All your assumptions about the US taking over, Ukraine following orders and the degree of depletion are simply fantasies of an ignorant. The war in Ukraine is the only thing that helps the US have some allies in the world. The rest of the world would rather have the US erased.

585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Javier Milei wins presidency in Argentina on: December 02, 2023, 07:32:36 PM
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Lol. Trump isn't an isolationist at all! He wants MAGA, just like most of the average people of America and Argentina (for Argentina).

If the world can't live with MAGA America, it's the world that has become their own isolationists.

Cool

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/22/trump-trade-tariffs/

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Trump vows massive new tariffs if elected, risking global economic war

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/donald-trump-10-percent-tariff/

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Trump’s $300 Billion Tax Hike Would Threaten U.S. Businesses and Consumers

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-08-24/supply-chain-latest-trump-proposes-universal-10-tariff

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In an interview on Fox Business last week, Trump floated an automatic, 10% tariff on goods imported to the US from all countries. He likened the plan to “a ring around the collar” of the US economy

Milei:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-14/milei-s-plan-for-argentina-dollarization-and-scrapping-taxes
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/javier-mileis-plan-for-argentina-dollarisation-scrapping-taxes-and-more.phtml
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Eliminating export taxes that cause economic distortions
Building infrastructure to support the sector, with private capital
Eliminating tariffs on imports of strategic inputs and capital goods, including fertilisers, industrial inputs and machinery



When a country farms its business out to other countries, the people of that country lose business. So, when Trump makes America great again through appropriate import-export taxes, he is simply bringing jobs and manufacturing back to America. It's good for the people, and it will be good for the business in the long run. Sure, there might be some upheaval in business for a while. But it's their own fault for going out of the country in the first place.

Cool

Please, do not show your ignorance on this thread, you have many others to choose from.

When a country chooses protectionism it works for a while because the local industry takes over all the business. In the long term, the country looses productivity an people have to pay higher prices for the good and services. Inflation and devaluation are usual results of this.

I encourage you to just google a bit before throwing "views" and try to learn a bit about the world instead of repeating the same blabber all over the forum.
586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Javier Milei wins presidency in Argentina on: December 01, 2023, 11:42:44 PM
<-snip->

Concerning the President, I think he won't do relatively well now until Trump takeover next year. I'm based this on what I heard about his foreign policy. Maybe he going to change to be friendly with Russia which is currently the head. You can't unjustly fight the head and expect to succeed. His country Argentina now hangs on his shoulders. If he falls, it could affect her.


People are loosing sight of what the agendas are because they are just seeing two populist that SAY they are going to change the system, challenge the status quo, give more freedom to the people.

Yet their proposals are opposite: Trump wants the US to become more isolated economically, even proposing flat 10% tariffs for imports and questioning any trade deal. Milei is proposing pretty much the opposite - transitioning from a barrier-full economy, to a fully fledged free market. Their common ground is the image of "anti-establishment" -  which in the case of Trump is like a joke.


Lol. Trump isn't an isolationist at all! He wants MAGA, just like most of the average people of America and Argentina (for Argentina).

If the world can't live with MAGA America, it's the world that has become their own isolationists.

Cool

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/22/trump-trade-tariffs/

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Trump vows massive new tariffs if elected, risking global economic war

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/donald-trump-10-percent-tariff/

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Trump’s $300 Billion Tax Hike Would Threaten U.S. Businesses and Consumers

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-08-24/supply-chain-latest-trump-proposes-universal-10-tariff

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In an interview on Fox Business last week, Trump floated an automatic, 10% tariff on goods imported to the US from all countries. He likened the plan to “a ring around the collar” of the US economy

Milei:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-14/milei-s-plan-for-argentina-dollarization-and-scrapping-taxes
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/javier-mileis-plan-for-argentina-dollarisation-scrapping-taxes-and-more.phtml
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Eliminating export taxes that cause economic distortions
Building infrastructure to support the sector, with private capital
Eliminating tariffs on imports of strategic inputs and capital goods, including fertilisers, industrial inputs and machinery





587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: December 01, 2023, 11:22:58 PM
Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.

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Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
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First of all, this demolishes you previous theory (a joke really) that "you can put whatever value you want" - the bankers say now that they new the value was wrong, so there is a "right value" that does not depend on your imagination.

The banks are saying that they knew the valuation was wrong and accepted giving credits just on other considerations.  The bank executives will have to answer to their own shareholders on why they are ok with fraudsters.  The bank executives know perfectly well that they may be also open to a massive class action - effectively means that any shareholder of the bank can now sue them because they knowingly accepted a miss-valuation.

I know you are clueless about this, but the bank needs, for compliance, have assets against that type of credit or declare it as loss, possible loss, etc... If I am allowed an educated guess, these bankers are likely to have faked that in their accounts. There may even be jail time for some individuals for it.

Trump has to answer to the people of New York, that is irrespective of the banks dealings.

But let's look at proper news:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561

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New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

So the moment he signed the credit, he was already in breach of the covenants. The punishment for this is lower... but there's punishment.

I am also thinking that if the judge says this is all right, then it will be all right for any future use. Good luck to the banking system, but particularly to all shareholders of the banks.


Since you would rather have other people tell you what your property is valued at - as they do Trump - and since you would rather accept their valuation as your own rather than your own valuation, I now value the private property of your thinking as less than worthless in the world.

However, I want to thank you for continuing your valueless posts. It gives us something to laugh at. After all, we need humor in our lives. Besides, your posts help to keep Bitcointalk.org alive.

We're waiting for your next piece of humor. I mean, you said it - your acceptance of other people valuing your property like they are doing Trump's property. So, come on. Give us some more humor.

Cool

You have a big problem. You have your idea of how the world should work according to you. But you do not seem to understand the difference between your wishful thinking and real life. You live in an illusion in which you can live your philosophy - and impose it on others - as a standalone ignorant in a world that owes you some inherent respects for your rights. I have bad news for you: The world cares shit about you and what you think. Modern states are organised how they are for many reason, but the key takeaway for you is that you do not get to change them to suit your views.

Your ideals are ridiculous e.g. "the right to contract" -  the right to contract does not exist in nature, it requires laws and the ability to enforce it, else a contract is as good as a cowshit.

For example - and I know you are an absolute ignorant on this, so just fucking google it - you do not get to put any valuation on an asset. There are strict rules on what the value is because if not people would be committing fraud after fraud. Your own fucking source is telling you that the bankers knew the values were wrong.

I also know your are also an absolute ignorant regarding micro-economics - so just fucking google this - "Offer and demand" - the price is formed by a point in which demand an offer meet. Not at whatever price the owner decides if nobody would buy at that price.

I have also figured out by now that you are also an ignorant on regards to history, law and in general any aspect of civilization. Just fucking go to Amazon and buy a few books.

You do not make the laws, you live under the laws made in a country with a system that is designed to solve problems without resorting to civil war, massive battles and breaking societies plus defending you capricious ass from the real bad people out there that would kill a stupid like you just for a minute of fun.

Said system includes, for example, the limits to a President authority, the illegality of arming mobs to assault the institutions, the authority of those that enforce the law,...If you want to change the basis of the US democracy and impose your tyranny, is not about winning the elections (which Trump could not even do the first time by popular vote BTW), is about a new civil war or, alternatively, get a supermajority willing to do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-constitution/#:~:text=An%20amendment%20may%20be%20proposed,in%20each%20State%20for%20ratification.

Just fucking bother to read the Constitution of your fucking country and try to understand what your vote means and what it does not mean what a president can and cannot do.

Either all that or you are an agent of China selling fentanyl to underaged Americans and polluting this forum with links to fake information.
588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: December 01, 2023, 06:27:30 PM
What happens when you blow up a train carrying tons of jet fuel inside a 19 km long tunnel in Siberia:

a) The tunnel gets badly damaged for a long time.
b) The security services of the Ruzzian Federation look stupid.
c) The main route between China and Ruzzia is halted.
d) Millions in fuel burn.
e) All of the above.

Hint: its (e).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=defflT_cN7M

Once in a while Ukrainian commanders and government officials stop propagandizing. Once in a while they tell the truth about what is really going on.


<link to fake information removed>



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Speaking to journalists from the Spanish newspaper El Pais, a Ukrainian commander codenamed "Ivan" disclosed that his unit is caught between a rock and a hard place....

May I see the link to El Pais or is it fake.

BTW the error on artillery is usually due to either overuse of the barrel or shooting at maximum range.
589  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 01, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
The match between Madrid versus Granada is interesting because it determines the top of the standings. I also believe that this time Madrid can secure full points at the Santiago Bernebeu easily, Granada will need a miracle to overthrow the La Liga giants later. Ancelotti hasn't been able to play his best squad because many players were injured, but I think with the current squad they can secure points easily, and I don't think Granada can help Girona this time to hold Los Blancos to a draw. I mean, if Madrid shares points with Granada, then Girona has the opportunity to overtake them in first place if they can beat Valencia.
Granada is the worst team on this La Liga this season because there performance is so very poor that, out of twelve matches they have played they have not win any match, however all they Have been playing is losing and drawing there matches, is actually very sad to see a club played this number of matches but could not utilize anyone, perhaps this is actually there best time for there coach to look out for the good players they can buy during the transfer window because if they continue this way I'm afraid they will end up worster than this.

So considering there performance so far they have no chance against Real Madrid and I'm sure there would be a lot of goal on that match because Real Madrid will never feel petty on them.

It seems that is heading for the lower categories el Granada yes. Real Madrid on the contrary seems solid all over so as you say, this seems like a sure bet, even if they give you 20 to 1. Girona will have to play their own game and lick their own balls this time. Things may change along the season, so it would be interesting for them to go defensive and get a point.
590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: December 01, 2023, 05:43:17 PM
Yes that's right, after all, gambling should not remember the defeats that have been experienced, because gambling should be for entertainment only, if you continue to remember the defeats that have been experienced, it will only bring a sense of revenge to get a victory that can cover the defeats that have occurred. Most of those who gamble are not prepared for the loss of money they deposit to be able to gamble, with their unpreparedness it makes them upset when they lose and that triggers gambling addiction, They must be able to improve their mindset not to gamble excessively, and must avoid things that trigger addiction, such as borrowing money, greed, and excessive emotions.
They must be able to control themselves by not following their emotions that encourage them to continue gambling. because it will bring good things to them if they can control themselves in gambling.
The sole act of remembering your sessions as victories or defeats is an issue, and this is because humans by nature do not want to lose or to fail to reach their objectives, and since for most of those that do this victories or defeats are measured in terms of money, then without even making a conscious decision about it they will change their goal from just having a little bit of fun to trying to obtain profits and beat the casinos, something that as we know very well is not easy to do at all.

Most humans are actually of one of two categories: Either they are very motivated by any win or chance of winning - more than by the chances of loosing and old losses or they are the opposite, very risk adverse and not willing to risk even if victory has good chances. If you are in the later, gambling is probably not something you will do often, while if you are strongly in the first you need to be very careful.
591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Referral bonuses are waste of time on: December 01, 2023, 05:39:02 PM
Online casinos when another member is invited by their referral code, that member is given some money or coin bonus for bringing new members to the casino and it works. The more a user can refer, the higher his referral income will be. Many rely heavily on referral income only because they may share referral codes and join links of certain casinos in their Telegram groups and leave many positive comments about that casino, then many sign up to those casino sites with their referral codes. Signup at the casino gives new members some money as welcome bonus and also a member gets some bonus as referral bonus. It's not really a waste of time, if you can refer a lot then your income will be a lot more it's up to you.

It's not about bringing someone alone that completes the requirements for having a referral bonus, you will also be ensured that the same person you brought in make use of their platform by making his first bet after which he must have made some deposit, it is very important that we always read about the ToS of a gambling platform casino before applying for its referral bonus, there are some other conditions we may not totally agree with, such could have been what will prevent us from having a referral bonus.
It is really just that normal or in default that gambling houses or companies would really be that ensure that giving out bonuses into those people who brought people to have some sign up into their platform on which of course it would really be needing that up that kind deposit before they would really be crediting out such bonus on which it would really be just that normal to have or something that they must do. They cant really just give out money to those people or bonuses if they wont really be able to assure that those new users wouldnt really be making any deposit.
Of course it would really be needing up that kind of deposit before you could be successfully be getting any bonuses on which it is really just that a normal approach.

It looks like we will really feel the gambling bonus that goes into our account, or that means we will get quite an attractive amount if we bring/invite someone who is already addicted to gambling, because as we know there is no end to people who are already addicted. in their gambling, they will continue to gamble and this means that the money they deposit will also be quite frequent. That means we will get a pretty decent bonus, it seems.

Yes that's right, casinos will only give them bonuses when the people they invite officially make deposits. On the other hand, there was one of my friends who took advantage of this situation, he invited many people who he thought were addicted to enter the site he provided, because there were so many people he invited at that time I was quite surprised when I saw the bonus that my friend got was quite large. It's big and it's the same amount as the amount he always deposits when he wants to gamble, so this way he can reduce spending personal money on his gambling budget even though he doesn't always get it because the people he invites don't always make deposits, but this is a good idea. great for saving. So can this be called smiling at other people's suffering? Grin

You cannot really rely on the newcommers to provide you with a constant inflow of cash to gamble unless you are effectively getting a constant source of leads like a website, blog or channel and that usually requires quite a bit of effort and dedication so no such a thing as a free meal on this. It is reasonable however to recommend to friends and get something in return, just a one off.
592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Javier Milei wins presidency in Argentina on: December 01, 2023, 12:24:35 PM
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Concerning the President, I think he won't do relatively well now until Trump takeover next year. I'm based this on what I heard about his foreign policy. Maybe he going to change to be friendly with Russia which is currently the head. You can't unjustly fight the head and expect to succeed. His country Argentina now hangs on his shoulders. If he falls, it could affect her.


People are loosing sight of what the agendas are because they are just seeing two populist that SAY they are going to change the system, challenge the status quo, give more freedom to the people.

Yet their proposals are opposite: Trump wants the US to become more isolated economically, even proposing flat 10% tariffs for imports and questioning any trade deal. Milei is proposing pretty much the opposite - transitioning from a barrier-full economy, to a fully fledged free market. Their common ground is the image of "anti-establishment" -  which in the case of Trump is like a joke.
593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Publicly held Trump trials - ongoing on: November 30, 2023, 10:23:28 PM
Now the banks are starting to assert their testimony. Since they have accepted Trump in the past, they can't let their good names be tarnished by the New York AG destroying the Trump that they upheld. They don't want go down with Trump, so they are starting to act on his behalf.

...

Deutsche Bank, which loaned hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump for properties in Miami, Chicago and Washington, cut his stated net worth in 2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to $2.3 billion, according to internal bank credit memos. The same documents indicated the bank approved the loans anyway because it expected them to generate a profit based on Trump's history of successful developments and other criteria.

Trump, who denies wrongdoing and claims the case is politically motivated, is calling to the stand this week four current and former Deutsche Bank employees — including the family's former private banker Rosemary Vrablic — as part of his defense case, seeking to flip the script on the state's version of events. -Bloomberg

The testimony completely undermines AG James' premise, that Trump defrauded the German bank.
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First of all, this demolishes you previous theory (a joke really) that "you can put whatever value you want" - the bankers say now that they new the value was wrong, so there is a "right value" that does not depend on your imagination.

The banks are saying that they knew the valuation was wrong and accepted giving credits just on other considerations.  The bank executives will have to answer to their own shareholders on why they are ok with fraudsters.  The bank executives know perfectly well that they may be also open to a massive class action - effectively means that any shareholder of the bank can now sue them because they knowingly accepted a miss-valuation.

I know you are clueless about this, but the bank needs, for compliance, have assets against that type of credit or declare it as loss, possible loss, etc... If I am allowed an educated guess, these bankers are likely to have faked that in their accounts. There may even be jail time for some individuals for it.

Trump has to answer to the people of New York, that is irrespective of the banks dealings.

But let's look at proper news:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/trump-never-risked-breaching-loan-covenants-banker-suggests-105213855?id=103642561

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New York Attorney General Letitia James alleges that had Trump accurately reported the value of his assets, he could have risked defaulting on a loan covenant that required he maintain a net worth of $2.5 billion.

So the moment he signed the credit, he was already in breach of the covenants. The punishment for this is lower... but there's punishment.

I am also thinking that if the judge says this is all right, then it will be all right for any future use. Good luck to the banking system, but particularly to all shareholders of the banks.




594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: November 30, 2023, 12:02:30 PM
In Bakhmut, Wagner took the ruins of an empty city previously known as Bakhmut at a cost in lives that may actually exceed the original population of the city - we will not know, but in the tens of thousands it is for sure. Apart from massive shelling, the advances were based on sending forward the most expendable troops in any number needed. I am sure you consider that a Victory and you are right in taking it as such - that is as much of a victory as is going to get for Ruzzia.
In Rabotino, the Ukrainian Armed Forces took the ruins of an empty village, formerly known as Rabotino, at a cost of lives that may actually exceed the original population of this village - we will not know, but in the tens of thousands this is certain. Apart from massive shelling, the advance was based on sending forward the most expendable troops in any numbers needed. I am sure that you consider this a Victory, and you are right to perceive it as such - that is as much of a victory as is going to get for Ukraine. Grin

There was a failed mechanised attack in Robotyne, not a meatwave, then a successful. Ukraine cannot afford a meatwaves, politically nor in manpower. The objective was not the village, but to generate a breakthrough. While you think it is funny, it is simply not a comparable case.

Anyway, I think that Ukraine is far from having played all cards, while Ruzzia does not seem to generate new strategic nor tactical alternatives to shelling and sending the infantry -  after the shelling or during the shelling, whatever they feel like.
595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: November 30, 2023, 09:32:50 AM

I have not yet seen a video from the Ruzzies depicting something like the sea of rusted steel near Avdiivka. Not even the disasters at Vulheldar last year.

RE meatwaves attacks, I have recently seen a document on how Wagner threw the convicts in front. They had the worst equipment, but also were without radio. There was no way they could communicate that they were being hit by friendly fire or retreating. They would not know where the second line was. Thus, any retreat would mean that they would be fired upon by their own (I guess they did not really have "their own").

On this attack the Ukrainians would fire upon them and reveal the positions. Then mortar and artillery fire would be used in the general direction of this positions. Logically, the first line of Ruzzis was very close, so they were as likely to die as the Ukrainians, perhaps more since they were not digged in.

That's Bhakmut, but now the regular army is trying the same technique, but the problem seems to be that at least Wagner had good instructors and good morale in the contractors. The regulars don't, so they just loose the front troops and achieve nothing.

Look, this technique is not that uncommon, the armies use screeners and in the musket age, they had the skirmishers to "protect the main body of the troops" by putting themselves in the middle.



You got it all wrong about who won Bakhmut battle   Grin

And recent reveal about 1.1m dead Ukrainian soldiers also tells who had
upper hand all this time

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Thanks for yet another link at propaganda. The figure you are providing is several multiples out of the even most optimistic Ruzzian hopes.

In Bakhmut, Wagner took the ruins of an empty city previously known as Bakhmut at a cost in lives that may actually exceed the original population of the city - we will not know, but in the tens of thousands it is for sure. Apart from massive shelling, the advances were based on sending forward the most expendable troops in any number needed. I am sure you consider that a Victory and you are right in taking it as such - that is as much of a victory as is going to get for Ruzzia.

The regulars are trying that now, but they just do not have the sauce.

BTW, you think this guy won?



Have you seen the fireworks in the Saky airfield in Crimea? It must be the cold weather that makes the Ruzzis make bonfires? We will have to wait for the next satellite pass to know.
596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: November 30, 2023, 12:27:11 AM
About "meat grinder attacks" and which side employ such tactic:

https://twitter.com/Gulag2030/status/1729375445383049720

Theres literally hundreds of those videos from both sides
Thank you captain obvious for telling obvious thing. There is lot of videos of drones hitting tanks, cars or troops straight line into dugouts, but I haven't see video of such level of precision. Offcourse, probably you would be more impressed if such video would be from Russian side.

https://t.me/vicktop55/18788

https://t.me/vicktop55/18775


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I have not yet seen a video from the Ruzzies depicting something like the sea of rusted steel near Avdiivka. Not even the disasters at Vulheldar last year.

RE meatwaves attacks, I have recently seen a document on how Wagner threw the convicts in front. They had the worst equipment, but also were without radio. There was no way they could communicate that they were being hit by friendly fire or retreating. They would not know where the second line was. Thus, any retreat would mean that they would be fired upon by their own (I guess they did not really have "their own").

On this attack the Ukrainians would fire upon them and reveal the positions. Then mortar and artillery fire would be used in the general direction of this positions. Logically, the first line of Ruzzis was very close, so they were as likely to die as the Ukrainians, perhaps more since they were not digged in.

That's Bhakmut, but now the regular army is trying the same technique, but the problem seems to be that at least Wagner had good instructors and good morale in the contractors. The regulars don't, so they just loose the front troops and achieve nothing.

Look, this technique is not that uncommon, the armies use screeners and in the musket age, they had the skirmishers to "protect the main body of the troops" by putting themselves in the middle.

597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The KRAKEN rises, meaning the 2020 election fraud is being corrected. on: November 29, 2023, 11:52:20 PM
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The "forgotten" part you mentioned, is only something that you have forgotten or never seen.

Trump and his people tried to bring their evidence to the Supreme Court. But they were turned away because:
1. SCOTUS doesn't have to hear any case they don't want to hear;
2. Cases that SCOTUS is designed to hear are man against man or man against artificial entity;
3. Artificial entity against artificial entity, if SCOTUS wishes to hear it;
4. Never artificial entity against man.

All of Trump's attempts to bring an election fraud case were attempted as artificial entity against artificial entity. The 'person' of the representation that Trump used was an attorney-entity. SCOTUS doesn't have to hear an artificial entity bringing a case - 3 and 4 above. Since they wouldn't hear the case, the media forgot any evidence that Trump had. But if you do the right kind of searches on Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell and other of the Trump former team, you can dredge up the evidence that Trump was bringing.

You simply conveniently want to forget because, like paxmao, your country would be one that would receive less money from the US if Trump were in control.

Cool

Actually, I don't have any idea of what you are talking about. My country has been under USA sanctions for years and we do not receive any economical aid from Washington, if anything both Trump and Biden would love to be the ones in charge when/if USA managed to overthrown our corrupt leaders and corrupt authorities.
Also, it is not completely about the SCOTUS, I assume. Because in the 2 hours long call Trump had with the secretary of State of Georgia (who voted for Trump and is a long standing Republican), Trump tried to make the case ballots were scanned multiple times and the secretary of State told him that the video had been put out of context by Ruddy.

So how come a Republican ally of Trump would not play along and call for the results of the election to be changed ? Perhaps he was an agent of the Deep state or simply did not want to break his loyalty to the office he assumed.

It's easily understandable that you don't have any idea about what I say. To understand it better, understand this: Everything done in America, even in the government, is based on two things:
1. The right to contract;
2. The right of private property.

It is the same for your country and all countries. The difference between countries is, some of the countries have it spoken/written out in the ope (the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, the formal government of India, Bangladesh, and a few others), while other countries try to hide it, and the government people of still other countries break these two points by forcing their people into all kinds of things on the threat of punishment or death.

Think deeply about this, and figure out how it works and why. It will give you the best understanding of the US Government, and your own country's government, that you will ever get.

Cool

Such a simplistic view of the US and the world explains a lot why you dump the shit you dump in every post. Any participative regime is based in the separation of power, individual freedom, the rule of law, free press and free expression and many other principles. They ALL work together to provide the right framework for public life, allowing discussion without violence and impositions.

Trump has decided that he can pick and choose which ones of these are applicable to him and guess what... separation of powers, check and balances and rule of law are not the chosen ones.
598  Other / Meta / Re: Is it accepted to call member criminal in a thread - no proof, no context... on: November 29, 2023, 11:42:32 PM
Hi, I recently got a shout (you know, oversized text in big-bold letter) by one of the usual thread polluting creatures that we have to live with in the forum calling me "criminal". Is this all right with the rules of the forum? do we need to live with this just because we want to have a discussion?

I am copying here the essence of the conversation, it is obviously longer.

Definitely not against the rules. Coming from BADecker it's like a badge of honor, it means you were able to say something sufficiently effective that knocked him out of his usual bible babble.


He is convinced that I am somehow stealing his money through some deep-state mechanics related to Ukraine. Oh, well... you are right, a badge it is then.
599  Other / Meta / Is it accepted to call member criminal in a thread - no proof, no context... on: November 29, 2023, 10:31:25 PM
Hi, I recently got a shout (you know, oversized text in big-bold letter) by one of the usual thread polluting creatures that we have to live with in the forum calling me "criminal". Is this all right with the rules of the forum? do we need to live with this just because we want to have a discussion?

I am copying here the essence of the conversation, it is obviously longer.

Quote from: paxmao
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If the focus is about taking control of the government, isn't that what the Presidency is all about?
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...es Trump's property, that is something that they can do for themselves. But they can't force their valuation on the owner of it. The owner values it as he sees fit.


Now, I know that you might be upset with Trump, because he wouldn't give money and armament to your beloved Ukraine. So, you like it when you can steal money from the American people without looking like the criminal that you are!

Cool

Incredible...

There is something you continuously fail to understand: Being elected President does not grant you unlimited powers, is exactly the contrary, you power is strongly restricted.

- No, as president you should not "take control of the government" beyond your constitutional functions. e.g. replacing general attorneys and the like. And you certainly do not get to self-extend your mandate just because you think you won.

- The democrats won the election. There is no proof of illegal wrongdoing. If there is, you present it to the press, the judges, etc ... but that did not happen, because there isn't.

- Sending money to other countries removes it from your economy, thus may reduce inflation, but I do not think that matters much.

- You can brag about the price of your properties in the golf club, but real state has an objective evaluation when you go to the bank to ask for a credit. If you say it is double it is fraud. This is not about "the price you'd sell it for, it is the market valuation (dude, capitalism 101).

- We do know because he is stupid enough to lie in written, in official accounting documents, right below where it says "All the information provided is true, I understand that if not I may be committing fraud".

If you have any sensible argument this is a good moment to express it. Otherwise, do a favour to this forum and stop blurting shit.

I am not upset at Trump, I fear that if what he does is Ok, the US is no longer the government of the people, but of the mobs.

Re your accusation of me being a criminal, I request you to present any evidence or remove the insults. You will get a reputation thread on that one.


Blah, blah, blah... You totally miss the point. Creating new money to give to other countries (Ukraine) doesn't do anything at all if the money is never spent by Ukraine. But when it is spent, it causes inflation in the country that is the main user of that money.

If you are a recipient of the benefit of the US money that is sent to Ukraine, you have stolen value from the American people... and should be ashamed of yourself. Of course, you may not have any choice in the matter. But if this is the case, perhaps you should consider immigrating to Russia so that you don't partake of stealing from Americans.

Cool

I am not seeing here a withdrawal of your accusation. I understand that you believe that is ok to call someone a criminal without a proof - that is why you support Trump - but it is not. Prove or withdraw now.

What you call "bla bla" is called arguments in the rest of the world.

You have tried several times to provoke me into providing personal information on where I leave and who I am or who I deal with. Again, you will need to do much better and in any case is irrelevant to an argument based conversation - again, I understand why are you a Trump supporter (from China perhaps).

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BTW if you were a true bitcoin supporter, inflation would be irrelevant to you, even a good thing in fact.
600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: November 29, 2023, 05:04:01 PM
There seems to be a wave of celebrations in Crimea with lots of fireworks in the power infrastructure. But Ruzzis need to be more careful with smoke - they seem to have persistent problems with it, they have left half of the peninsula without power for quite a while!

The weather in Moscow is peculiar, some strange type of icy rain has been spotted all around. One could even think that is not ice, but Ukrainian drones that are retaliating. Would that be possible? Would Ukraine now be able to retaliate blow for blow even in Moscow?

According to Ruzzia, all drones have been intercepted, that is such good news that you could even believe it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-shoots-down-20-ukrainian-drones-moscow-attacked-2023-11-26/

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Russia says shoots down 24 Ukrainian drones
Russia says Ukraine fired missiles over Sea of Azov
Ukraine reported biggest Russian drone attack on Kyiv
Russian controlled region says energy system struck

There seems to be also a big smoking accident in Chelyabinskyi -  in a tank repair / upgrade factory. Would you think that was Ukraine? It is more than 1000 kilometres away from Ukraine... wow someone might say that is just an accident.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/blast-reported-at-russian-tank-engine-facility-chelyabinsk-tractor-plant-uraltrak/



Ukraine said it shot down 74/75 drones, largest attack and then the next day...  

More than 2,000 settlements in central and southern Ukraine faced power cuts on Monday
...
As of 8 p.m. local time (1800 GMT), 883 settlements remained without power and about
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Central Kyiv and southern Odesa and Mykolaiv regions were the hardest hit by the power cuts, with 40,000 homes initially affected in Kyiv region, authorities said. By 6:30 p.m, more than 15,000 homes in the region were still without electricity.

So what does your theory say about loss of power if we follow your thought?

If you follow my thought? Well, I am going to make an effort and imagine that you can even start to understand my thought, just as a theoretical exercise of course.

Last winter Ruzzia send a wave a bad=ass missiles that targeted power infrastructure in Ukraine. They cause problems, although obviously Ukraine recovered well, and Ruzzis were very happy about it and nearly untouched.

This year, Ruzzia has sent drones (much cheaper), with not even half of the destructive potential, much easier to intercept with cheap and abundant means. In exchange, the number of smoking incidents in Ruzzian war related installations is every day.

I am not sure if they are as happy as last year... when a bully is  kicked in the balls, tends to reconsider the situation. So.... yeah, my thought is that the Ruzzian army has to understand that smoking kills.

As for the news... 15000 homes without power due to a winter storm, well... I guess the god of rain is into Ukraniophobia like you guys?

Speaking of which... have you seen the fireworks in donesk? https://t.me/ssternenko/22906

 
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