Didn't realize Coef calculated it too, lol. But yeh, jackpot needs to be at least: 1/((3439/10000)^12)*0.001*0.01 = BTC3.65. If the JP is that amount, then making 0.001 bets is EV+  |
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Wagered amounts started counting  http://dicesites.com/wager-warzRemember my site uses time between 1 Oct 00:00 ET and 14 Oct 23:59 ET. In your local timezone this is: Between October 01, 2015, 04:00:00 AM and October 15, 2015, 03:59:59 AM (based on your forum settings.) |
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he may have many bitcoin
not everyone can provide 10 BTC easily
Once again, you didn't need to gamble 10 BTC at once. Just some numerical examples to make it even more clear (I hope) Lets say if you bet: - 1 BTC for 10 times during september you are qualified for this silver coin contest - 0.1 BTC for 100 times during september you are qualified for this silver coin contest - 0.01 BTC for 1000 times during september you are qualified for this silver coin contest - 0.001 BTC for 10000 times during september you are qualified for this silver coin contest - 0.0001 BTC for 100000 times during september you are qualified for this silver coin contest Ah, damn, I was making 0.2 BTC bets, never mind.  On serious note, cool contests I like promos that have giveaways based on different criteria like this and physical coins is pretty unique/nice prizes too. |
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Some hidden BBcodes: Like /me in IRC  * user test * NLNico test [me=user] test[/me]
/me test Actually useful for showing localized time for auctions/contests/etc. (!) Example, this auction finishes at: October 03, 2015, 12:00:00 PM (everyone will see time based on their user setting) Some useless kiss smileys, lol test :-* test :-*[chrissy] test[/chrissy]
[kissy] test[/kissy] [abbr="Info here"]Info on hover[/abbr]
same with [acronym] Link with this to here [iurl=#this]this[/iurl] to [anchor=this]here[/anchor] Also allows other bbcode: foo [quote="www.google.com or [size=20pt][color=red]other bbcode[/color][/size]"]foo[/quote]     |
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No dreams, lol. There used to be poker a -long- time ago, then lottery and not that long time ago there was roulette and blackjack. He plans to add those last 2 games back again, but not sure when.
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You guys made me search the SMF source.. 'posts' => $profile['posts'] > 100000 ? $txt[683] : ($profile['posts'] == 1337 ? 'leet' : comma_format($profile['posts'])), So there IS actually another easter egg, just not that boob-thing lol. Upon more than 100.000 posts you get the following permanent post count: $txt[683] = 'I am a geek!!'; Seems fair. |
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I agree with the sentiment that the public support is lacking and tbh sometimes in the wrong tone of voice I feel like Seals and even first months of SWC, this was better. I don't underestimate how time-consuming and difficult it is to get a proper poker site running though, so much of respect overall for you guys(!!) But as a relatively small site (not like PS) I think the public "support" is important to keep players happy too. Personally I would love to see the PC client working on Wine. I feel like it is really possible with some libraries/configs but I don't have the knowledge about it. I would be actually willing to donate 0.1 BTC to the person that gives me proper instructions to get it easily running for me with Wine (not much, but I'm just a hobby player.) IMO even SWC could put some bounty up for that. Perhaps someone is willing to take the time to mess around with the Wine errors and come up with a solution, if there is some okay bounty for it. Because AFAIK the linux client would still take time, and with easy Wine instructions, perhaps it can bring in a few extra players. Should be worth it imo. In theory if that person finds out the PC client needs some small adjustments to work, it could be even possible imo. |
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I assume that they would simply hope people don't go betting multiple times 0.05 BTC. Obviously technically you could anonymously use different addresses :p But it's just for fun, so personally hope people won't do that. I would also assume that it's not "too risky" in any way because of the cap. The max they could lose is a couple coins and I assume they can afford that. If the cap is reached, they could consider different odds for future bets to still allow more bets. Anyway, just what I think. I am not affiliated with this. Actually they didn't told me in advance and I think they didn't even tell Rollin... how rebellious! Lol. I think it's a fun thing within the gambling community though, which is why I support it with that extra page |
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Sounds fun to me Good luck all. Will personally not join since my site is being used for comparing the wagered amounts. Note: the "graph points" (and weekly top) on my site uses ET time (so that is New York time, currently EDT because of DST.) So if you gonna use that, it would be between 1 Oct 00:00 ET and 14 Oct 23:59 ET. Made some extra page for it (should work automatically few minutes after 1 Oct): http://dicesites.com/wager-warz |
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DD4BC got a new name? |
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Overall I agree we should just wait for their reply and see how much they adjust their stats. But still I don't understand why you keep replying in a defensive way without even reading my posts (or at least not understanding them.)
Also, I am not sure whether this guy we are talking to is fully aware of everything to answer it. AFAIK, he could be the admin or a staff handing a completely different department. I do agree with that. I agree that the "FortuneJack" account on this forum might not even know what these "wagered.php" URLs are and therefor not realize that my table was 100% correct. This would make their latest reply to " wrong because not properly informed by tech dep" instead of " wrong because lying", so I guess that would be better. I also agree to just wait for their reply now first, lol. @cryptobet: nice profits @ndnhc: just FYI I do still think they are legit for playing/withdrawals, "just" fake stats (and at this point: probably on purpose), which is important enough to bring up to discussion imo. I am not on some war and I haven't considered any neg trust. I simply do not like lies and I want site operators to be honest. That is all. |
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.
Probably they knew the data was inaccurate, because of say an error they had known which may be why they removed particular altcoin stats from the home page. So they didn't fix it coz they didn't know you or anyone was looking at that stats. Either way, they should correct is asap. Please read all my posts regarding to this issue and take some time to understand them before "defending" them. The bug they described cannot be the cause because I got original alt coins amounts. If someone bets 12 CLAM, the site adds 12 CLAM to the CLAM stats. There is no involvement of any exchange rate. I think it's clear they added 200M to DASH, probably 100M to LTC, and either 10M or even up to 10.5M to BTC. It seems like they added complete round numbers. I personally even think they added 1M to NVC, PPC, NMC at the beginning months of their website (I mean, just look at those numbers lmao), but I am willing to ignore this since that's relatively not much. Overall they should have around 100,000 BTC only in my estimation. Which is around 263 BTC wagered per day, which would be correct estimation compared to other sites too (~same amount as Rollin for example, just little lower than PRC/BD which obviously have more HR action.) This would give them between 1k and 4k BTC in profits. I think that is a fair estimation based on their bonus/affiliate/"max bet" stats too. <<< this paragraph is obviously speculation and my estimations though, my previous posts are proper arguments imo. Overall I agree we should just wait for their reply and see how much they adjust their stats. But still I don't understand why you keep replying in a defensive way without even reading my posts (or at least not understanding them.) |
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post? Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts. No, I didn't read any posts properly.  Where did you get the alt coin wagered amount from? That is in my previous post :p Basically they used to show "per currency" stats in January on the website. I made a crawler for my site at that time and got the full data once. Then for months they didn't show those stats but that URL was still working. So yesterday I ran my script and got full data of "per currency" stats again. Rest/details are really in my previous post :p The numbers really add up compared to their total stats. |
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post? Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts. |
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Okay, I will ignore the stats from bitcoinstrip. Still I have 3 data points, that I personally got straight from your website. These numbers are correctly taken from your site. I know all stats started with 0 on 2014-09-09. I know the stats of 2015-01-10 so I can calculate the daily average between those 2 dates (first 123 days). And I know the stats of today, so I can calculate the average daily between 2015-01-10 and now (257 days.) This results in: 2015-01-10 in BTC daily in BTC 2015-09-24 in BTC daily in BTC
BTC 23,565 BTC 23,565 BTC 191 BTC 10,570,963 BTC 10,570,963 BTC 41,040 BTC
NVC 1,008,077 NVC 4,365 BTC 35 BTC 1,206,989 NVC 5,226 BTC 3 BTC
PPC 1,005,193 PPC 1,658 BTC 13 BTC 1,680,837 PPC 2,773 BTC 4 BTC
NMC 1,002,993 NMC 1,655 BTC 13 BTC 1,147,817 NMC 1,894 BTC 1 BTC
DASH 105,758 DASH 1,108 BTC 9 BTC 100,300,583 DASH 1,050,977 BTC 4,085 BTC
DOGE 685,105,819 DOGE 356 BTC 3 BTC 14,664,444,075 DOGE 7,625 BTC 28 BTC
RDD 8,572,105,491 RDD 343 BTC 3 BTC 39,762,845,194 RDD 1,590 BTC 5 BTC
LTC 8,343 LTC 104 BTC 1 BTC 200,305,652 LTC 2,489,799 BTC 9,688 BTC
CLAM 8,105 CLAM 48 BTC 0 BTC 150,369 CLAM 895 BTC 3 BTC
TOTAL 33,202 BTC 270 BTC 14,132,013 BTC 54,859 BTC Do you see how these stats look wrong? 1) I found it odd that NVC, PPC, NMC are all just about a million on the first data point, but I am willing to ignore that as it could be coincidence. 2) For the first 123 days, you had a daily avg of 270 BTC in total. And the 257 days after that, a daily avg of 54,859 BTC. I'm sure your site got more popular, but seems extreme? 3) Note how almost all altcoins aren't popular except DASH and LTC with HUGE amounts. LTC is claimed to have more 5x more wagered than PrimeDice's BTC daily wagered. PD is the most popular dice site BY FAR and AFAIK the most popular BTC gambling site. Even DASH is 2x more than PD BTC. Anyone active in the cryptocurrency gambling community, knows that altcoins do not have that kind of gambling volume in BTC terms. Even JD doesn't have that with their CLAM wagered amounts. The fact that your other altcoins have barely wagered volume, shows this furthermore. 4) I find it odd that it seems like DASH got exactly 100M added (300k would be exactly correct based on daily of first 123 days) and it seems like 200M was added to LTC. But sure, this "could" be a coincidence. 5) Just the fact that you claim to have 54,859 BTC daily wagered should be enough.. That is 27x times more wagered than PD and still 4x more than JD with BTC times. Everyone who was active on JD know how crazy action there was, 100 BTC spam-bets were almost not a big deal. 6) Based on your wagered amounts, you should have an expected profit 141,320 till 565,280 BTC in ~8 months (based on 1% HE - 4% HE.) That is simply impossible. 7) You have a max bet of 1 BTC on your dice game. With these wagered amounts and expected profits, you should be able to afford HUGE max bets. 8) Just because you have a lot of different games, altcoins and some bonus program, doesn't magically make your site more popular by these insane factors. I find it odd that you try to defend this. I personally assumed you would say there was a silly mistake and it would be fixed. That you really claim that these numbers are correct, is sketchy to me. Those numbers and tables you are trying to bring up are wrong and has nothing to do with our database, and there is no way you could have access to that kind of information. However, we approve there was a bug counting it. One of the games (fortune wheel) was excluded from the trigger for a short period of time (when we changed our currency rates provider) and the bets were summed up without multiplying it on an exchange rate. The issue was fixed later, but the wager forgetfully remained untouched. It took some time to analyse the code and history of FortuneJack updates. We think exaggerating total wager would be a cheap marketing trick and would never distribute wager that high on the landing page on purpose, knowing it would raise a lot of questions in a highly curious community like Bitcointalk. Those numbers are 100% from you and I definitely had access to it. The URLs sharing this information were https://fortunejack.com/ajax/wagered.php?curr=16 (where 16 is currency ID) and these were correct (and in altcoin currency, not BTC values.) The numbers just completely add up to your claimed "total numbers" and therefor my table is 100% correct. You now disabled that URL and claim that I am wrong, while you know I had access to this - since the URLs are only disabled since today (this means you are directly lying in your post by saying " no way you could have access".) In addition to prove that the "wagered.php" numbers were correct, I added up the "bets per currency" numbers: 623,141,167+887,499,445+288,482,608+264,086,590+64,777,596+59,309,975+52,277,608+43,858,035+40,792,287+79,048 = 2,324,304,359 - your site shows 2,316,703,717 - sure couple million off, but seems close enough imo. Note that I didn't manually get or calculated any of this (including exchange rates etc.) I simply had your site in my local dicesites.com already since January and this was all updated/calculated with a simple script load. Your explanation doesn't make any sense. The numbers that I got were in the alt coin currency. They have nothing to do with any exchange rate. I -personally- calculated the "in BTC values" with my own exchange rates. The total calculation of that was 14,131,742 BTC while your site showed 14,132,013 BTC so that is only a small 271 BTC difference because of different exchange rates. I think you are only making this a bigger problem. You basically call me a liar now, claiming that I made these numbers up myself or something like that. Considering you only removed that URL today, it is clear that you knew I had access to those numbers so you are clearly lying in your post too. I really think you should just come clean and admit your mistake. Personally I do think this is looking sketchier with every post you make. PS, I appreciate the PM you sent about a "bug bounty" for this "bug". But I disagree that there was a bug here, so I respectfully decline your bounty. |
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WOW! magical dice player with username scottt got a massive winning streak @ 4.4714x payout with base bet of 0.033  i wonder how many wins did he get all in all  congrats scottt! Remember, on a lot of sites, including this one, the HR tab is: either bet more than 0.1 or win more than 0.1. This means that when he bets 0.033 but loses, it will be not on HR tab. But if he bets 0.033 on 4.7x and wins, it will be on HR tab. That is why it looks like an insane streak Still he has actually 3.5 coins profit, so he did do good |
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I like to emphasize that I am following this thread for a long time and they seem completely legit (only indeed sometimes delay at "bigger" wd's but thats fair enough) and they seem to give a good fun experience to their players. I am also willing to believe that they are popular, just not by these numbers. So I am not trying to hurt them or anything, I would not try to stop anyone from playing here. But I just really think the numbers are wrong and I like to believe that I gave decent arguments for this.
Ideally they would just "fix" it and I personally wouldn't care too much about it anymore (altho it would be hard to trust the numbers ever again, but at least they would admit it's not correct.) In the end I think most players don't really care about wagered amounts and those few that do care, like myself, can easily see it is very likely wrong.
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Okay, I will ignore the stats from bitcoinstrip. Still I have 3 data points, that I personally got straight from your website. These numbers are correctly taken from your site. I know all stats started with 0 on 2014-09-09. I know the stats of 2015-01-10 so I can calculate the daily average between those 2 dates (first 123 days). And I know the stats of today, so I can calculate the average daily between 2015-01-10 and now (257 days.) This results in: 2015-01-10 in BTC daily in BTC 2015-09-24 in BTC daily in BTC
BTC 23,565 BTC 23,565 BTC 191 BTC 10,570,963 BTC 10,570,963 BTC 41,040 BTC
NVC 1,008,077 NVC 4,365 BTC 35 BTC 1,206,989 NVC 5,226 BTC 3 BTC
PPC 1,005,193 PPC 1,658 BTC 13 BTC 1,680,837 PPC 2,773 BTC 4 BTC
NMC 1,002,993 NMC 1,655 BTC 13 BTC 1,147,817 NMC 1,894 BTC 1 BTC
DASH 105,758 DASH 1,108 BTC 9 BTC 100,300,583 DASH 1,050,977 BTC 4,085 BTC
DOGE 685,105,819 DOGE 356 BTC 3 BTC 14,664,444,075 DOGE 7,625 BTC 28 BTC
RDD 8,572,105,491 RDD 343 BTC 3 BTC 39,762,845,194 RDD 1,590 BTC 5 BTC
LTC 8,343 LTC 104 BTC 1 BTC 200,305,652 LTC 2,489,799 BTC 9,688 BTC
CLAM 8,105 CLAM 48 BTC 0 BTC 150,369 CLAM 895 BTC 3 BTC
TOTAL 33,202 BTC 270 BTC 14,132,013 BTC 54,859 BTC Do you see how these stats look wrong? 1) I found it odd that NVC, PPC, NMC are all just about a million on the first data point, but I am willing to ignore that as it could be coincidence. 2) For the first 123 days, you had a daily avg of 270 BTC in total. And the 257 days after that, a daily avg of 54,859 BTC. I'm sure your site got more popular, but seems extreme? 3) Note how almost all altcoins aren't popular except DASH and LTC with HUGE amounts. LTC is claimed to have more 5x more wagered than PrimeDice's BTC daily wagered. PD is the most popular dice site BY FAR and AFAIK the most popular BTC gambling site. Even DASH is 2x more than PD BTC. Anyone active in the cryptocurrency gambling community, knows that altcoins do not have that kind of gambling volume in BTC terms. Even JD doesn't have that with their CLAM wagered amounts. The fact that your other altcoins have barely wagered volume, shows this furthermore. 4) I find it odd that it seems like DASH got exactly 100M added (300k would be exactly correct based on daily of first 123 days) and it seems like 200M was added to LTC. But sure, this "could" be a coincidence. 5) Just the fact that you claim to have 54,859 BTC daily wagered should be enough.. That is 27x times more wagered than PD and still 4x more than JD with BTC times. Everyone who was active on JD know how crazy action there was, 100 BTC spam-bets were almost not a big deal. 6) Based on your wagered amounts, you should have an expected profit 141,320 till 565,280 BTC in ~8 months (based on 1% HE - 4% HE.) That is simply impossible. 7) You have a max bet of 1 BTC on your dice game. With these wagered amounts and expected profits, you should be able to afford HUGE max bets. 8) Just because you have a lot of different games, altcoins and some bonus program, doesn't magically make your site more popular by these insane factors. I find it odd that you try to defend this. I personally assumed you would say there was a silly mistake and it would be fixed. That you really claim that these numbers are correct, is sketchy to me. |
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@JackpotRacer: A lot of people bet thousands of bets with the same serverseed. In theory you can keep betting with millions of bets. So the range can be much bigger than 30 bets. However.... If you made a million bets.. what would you really verify? You can calculate all million bet outcomes, but did you keep record of all million bets (and the amount u bet etc)? Probably not, so you would probably just check the latest bets. Therefor in theory it is better to verify every xx bets, where xx is the number of bets on the "My bets" tab. In reality, like I said, most just verify after losing some, which isn't ideal but okay - at least they can know if they were cheated when losing those bets. any answer why it is not a general model that is used in provably fair casinos? They should implement the nonce-system imo RHavar have said a few times that the "per roll method" could be great if there is an "automated script that verifies each outcome after each bet" and I could agree, but in reality it doesn't really exist at the moment. (I guess "Seuntjies DiceBot" has some verifying option, but -personally- I prefer to not run .exe files and the source code is too big for me to easily check. ) I don't trust most of the dice sites in Bitcoin business. Right now I only prefer to play at Fortunejack. Other than that we all know what happens in other dice sites, crook owners change codes and you can never win anything from them. Don't play at other dice sites.
We are talking about provably fair here. The implementation of FJ is "per roll" which isn't ideal to verify IMO. They do at least generate a random clientseed in the browser, not like my earlier NitrogenSports example. So FJ's implementation for dice (didn't check other games) looks okay enough. Still I do think others have better implementations. |
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