Since PRCDice had a signature campaign before ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708938.0 ) I assume it could be considered in the "active" category? It also says "25/m" but it is "25/w"

A dice site is not officially mainstream until BBmmBB calls it rigged. Thanks BBmmBB!

Not sure if I put an emergency address either. But anyway, had investment of 1.5 + ~0.4-0.5 profit, so around 2 coins total. User # 101 - name: NLNico - address: 1Fcn7M1AjgA9RFPm59RqiTCCD6tKKS5vN9 - Would be cool to see (some) of it back.

I am quoting this above post so if others do the same we have a clear list of people who might not had an emergency address. Worth a try.

Originally it was about the affiliate system. People like to get rewarded for bringing people to the site. So if PRC offers 10% of their own 10% commission of 1% of wagered (so basically 0,01%), that would be at least something. It could be perhaps more, especially if more people play.

What BAC just said is that the policy should be flexible so people could potentially use it as a rakeback - even if it's not much. I personally do agree with that, I hate these strict affiliate policies sometimes (hard to really check anyway.)


PD btw would be able to always offer more in the current models because they earn 100% of the expected profit instead of only 10%. (On PRC obviously the "investors" earn most of it.)

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I am afraid that removing the twitter and email accounts really looks like they are gone.


The only hope would be if they used the same password on amazon/twitter/gmail and a hacker removed the stuff. But I am afraid these odds are relatively small.

"Account help for jpcdice@gmail.com"

"This account was deleted 0 days ago."

It seems to be confirmed here:


That this is really Dooglus' address

https://twitter.com/JPCdice
https://twitter.com/darkdice_dotnet

Seems to be removed? Was still online few days ago.

Yeh that is interesting, just not sure about speed even with 1 second blocks.

PRC was lagging a bit so they limited the small bets (0.00001 or smth) to 0,4 per second. People complained already So if it's 1 per second (and sometimes even 2, 3 seconds?) probably more complaints. Remember the players don't really have to care about "provably fair for investors".

But it is interesting. Dicing on-chain on an worthless alt representing bitcoin bets is interesting I guess. But unfortunately I don't know enough about the technical specifics of the blockchain system to think it more through :X

In OP I only said "- The user probably wants the hashed audit seed in advance, but this could be possible I think." but I will explain that further.

1. The dice site generates a server seed, he will request a server-seed-hash-specific audit seed HASH too. And shows it to the player.
2. The player makes a bet with his client seed.
3. Dice site sends bet information (with server HASH and other details including amount,chance,etc so this can't be changed after the result) to the audit server. Audit server uses nonce (and checks if it's sequel) + audit seed to calculate the SHA512 of that combination. And returns that.
4. Dice site uses: client seed, server seed, nonce, SHA512 of audit seed + nonce > to calculate outcome.
5. Gives result to player and repeat.


In the end the player can request a new server+audit seed. So this will:

1. Player generate new seeds.
2. Dice site requests the audit seed with the original audit HASH and the server seed. Audit server gives audit seed and makes that seed invalid for future bets. With the server seed the audit server could recalculate all bets of this session.
3. Dice site returns the server + audit seed to the player.
4. Player can recalculate all bets with those seeds. He can also check the audit website with his audit seed to check all recalculated bets.


Still I think the "site profit" could be faked. So there would have to be a daily, weekly or monthly verification.

1. Dice site generates new server seeds.
2. Dice site sends old server seeds to audit site.
3. Audit site recalculates all rolls and can even calculate the site profit this way.



It helps against:
- skipping nonces / changing seeds etc
- easier verification for players
- fake whales and/or profit (loss)
- hackers cannot win with a server seed or cheat unnoticed



Would that work?

Obviously, once again, players+investors would need to trust the audit server. But it's better because BOTH the dice site and audit site would need to collude/cheat together. Is it worth the trouble? Not sure

The site still calculates the bets and could indeed decide to only take the winning bets for a site cheater account. But the losing bets would be still on the audit server and therefor the list of bets on both servers would not match.

However, the total investor profit could still be false I guess. Pretty simple to show only winning cheat house bets in the front-end and modify the profit based on that. Or just show false profit anyway, not like people are really calculating all the bets profits.

I guess the server seeds must reset every day/week/month and all the client/nonce/server seeds must be send to the audit server who can then recalculate all the bets. And verify those seeds of all bets by checking the previous saved SHA512 of all the info. If they didn't show a losing cheat house bet, it would appear in this verification. If the total profit is not the same, it would appear in this verification. If they changed a seed to a winning one, it would appear in this verification. If they changed the bet amount (so they win more, lose less), it would appear in this verification.



Obviously by now it gets so complicated that it is probably really not worth it. But theoretically I think it's still possible :p




Ps, provably fair for the player in this situation is atm only "audit seed hash per roll" which can be shown to the player in advance, so they can calculate it after the bet. Obviously this is a problem when the audit and dice site collude and make audit server seeds based on patterns of betting style. Perhaps there can be another way for for verifying the audit's seed.

Basically I opened this thread to get a discussion going, not to give the ideal solution

I doubt E-Peso will really happen. It's just a suggestion from 1 person in the gov right..? I don't think the bill will be approved. But I am not an expert in PH politics, so not sure how it exactly works.

Considering PRC has been around for like 19 months I definitely trust the owner. So yeh, most of my dice investment budget is at www.prcdice.eu I had my investment there for around 10 months and for every coin my return is now 1.75 (so 0.75 profit per invested coin.) However this changes a lot every time and variance can be crazy when whales come by. A week to test is not really enough to say anything about the return / profits. I am invested for 10 months but most of my profits are because of last few weeks.

I have also little bit at ninja though, they seem fine and nice, but they are new like DB was too (and that obv turned out to be a scam - I never invested anything there tho)

2. Daniel Ricciardo


If correct: my address in signature Thanks

Just FYI, that address seems to be a hot-wallet of BTC-E. So frequently hackers send the BTC to their BTC-E deposit address (probably as a simple mixer) and after that BTC-E moves it to "1FsVcdeH.." (and after that uses it for withdrawals etc.) For example it's mentioned here after a BTC-E deposit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hv0jd/i_think_someone_just_tried_to_steal_my_coins_but/

Sorry for your loss btw.

That applies to "provably fair for gamblers" too.

Basically it has nothing to do with provably fair at all and is a pretty obvious statement (yet underestimated by many.)

In case of security vulnerabilities, like SQL injections, public disclosure should be your last option. You don't want it to be abused and an attacker steal funds of innocent users of that site because of your disclosure.

IMO you should contact the owner of that site and private disclosure it first. If they don't fix it or change it, you could consider public disclosure and in this case perhaps Blockchain.info first.

This has been the topic title since 2012. I am not sure if you play on any fiat poker site, but 12 hours is incredible fast compared to them.

Since the up-rise of off-chain dice sites and other bitcoin gambling sites (after 2012) "instant withdrawals" seems normal though at many bitcoin gambling sites.

Seals chooses security (manually checking withdrawals) over these fast withdrawals though. Generally my withdrawals are faster than 12h though btw.

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