Clicked the link because of the merits and the ref. to QM. Good video, thanks. WO greatness. |
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That's EXACTLY the problem, and it's a massive problem. Journalists, lawyers, historians, even priests, have suddenly become medical experts and are publishing articles discrediting scientific work, pushing their own agendas and advising the masses on what to do and not do in health matters. And, sadly, many people buy into this misinformation, risking their lives and the lives of their families. One such example is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccine advocate.
On a related note, earlier today I found out that the person who died of COVID-19, of whom I posted a couple of days ago, was under the spiritual guidance of a priest in his congregation, who advised him not to get vaccinated because vaccines are evil and against God's will. A life wasted due to some religious, doctrinal influence by a priest. I respect his religious choice, but can't help but feel deeply saddened and depressed that this was the advice he was given, and accepted, especially when the official recommendation of the Head of Church is to follow the medical experts' advice and get vaccinated.
True, many priests are anti-vaxxers. As well as... doctors... I was surprised but it's true. People who should trust science and protect science are backstabbing it. I've heard at least a handful of stories about doctors advising their patients not to vaccinate.  Today was his funeral. I was not allowed to go, only very few close relatives, due to COVID-19. I wonder if that GOD DAMNED priest was there. That FUCKING priest who killed him... |
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That's EXACTLY the problem, and it's a massive problem. Journalists, lawyers, historians, even priests, have suddenly become medical experts and are publishing articles discrediting scientific work, pushing their own agendas and advising the masses on what to do and not do in health matters. And, sadly, many people buy into this misinformation, risking their lives and the lives of their families. One such example is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccine advocate.
It's both funny and telling how you condemn this man without ever actually reading his book. If you had, you would see how well-researched it was and all the factual citations and data he painstaking collected to back his assertions. Everything thing he cited in his book about Dr. Fauci is absolutely factually true, and every cited event absolutely did happen. In fact, I'd very much like to see you prove otherwise. But alas in your world, I guess it's easier to just dismiss it and falsely label people as "conspiracy theorists" than it is to face the truth. Right? Like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.  Note that I don't necessarily agree with Robert Kennedy Jr. on other worldly topics, or even his assertions about other vaccines in general. And I certainly don't see eye-to-eye with his political views. But as to Dr. Fauci's background, history, and motives, it's hard to refute documented, cited facts and evidence. Facts + data + stats + clear observations == truth False claims/beliefs + propaganda + wishful thinking == lies BA in American History and Literature Master of Laws Doctor of Law Relevance to medical studies/research:NONECriminal record, convictions, controversies:1970 (age 16): Hyannis, Massachusetts — Charged for marijuana possession. — [Source: The New York Times] 1971 (age 17): Hyannis, Massachusetts — Arrested for loitering. Pleaded no contest to the charge. — [Source: The New York Times] 1983 (age 29): Rapid City, South Dakota — Arrested for heroin possession after a search of his carry-on bag uncovered the drug. Kennedy entered a guilty plea to Presiding Judge Marshall P. Young, who sentenced him to two years' probation and 1,500 hours of community service. Following his arrest, Kennedy entered a drug treatment center and left employment as a government prosecutor. — [Sources: The New York Times (1), (2), (3)] 1999 (age 45): Hired William Wegner to work for Riverkeeper (an environmental organization). He was a fishery scientist and falconer who had been sentenced to five years in prison. He served three years after pleading guilty to federal criminal charges for smuggling bird eggs from Australia. In 2000, Robert Boyle, Riverkeeper's founder and former president, fired Wegner, citing his criminal conviction, but Kennedy re-hired Wegner, believing he should be given a second chance. A majority of the Riverkeeper Board supported Kennedy's decision, but seven members joined Boyle in resigning. — [Sources: Los Angeles Times, The New York Times] 2013 (age 59): The New York Post released excerpts from Kennedy's 2001 diary, in which Kennedy described multiple, serial extramarital affairs. Kennedy said the paper had indeed printed his diary. Kennedy grappled with what he called his biggest defect — "my lust demons" — while keeping a scorecard of female conquests, according to his secret diary. Specifically, Kennedy kept records of the names of the women he had affairs with, and used a coding system, numbers from 1 to 10, next to each name. The numbers corresponded to sexual acts, with 10 meaning intercourse. There were 37 women named in the diary, 16 of whom got full marks (10). Kennedy's secret "sex diary" was found in their home by his wife, Mary Richardson Kennedy, who, distraught over their impending divorce and Kennedy's serial philandering, committed suicide on May 16, 2012, by hanging herself in an outbuilding on the couple's Bedford estate. — [Sources: New York Post (1), (2)] What a great man to guide us in our quest for the truth... |
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Yeah I was going to say the same thing, he has high income, he could easily continue paying off debt from the income, and finance the shiny car too.
Maybe it was a psychological thing for him. He wanted to really be debt-free. I can understand that, and I'm like that too. I never owed anyone anything. Always pay in full, no installments, even if they are interest-free. If I cannot pay in full, I don't buy it. The only exception I could accept would be a home loan/mortgage. |
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Referenced this link on previous page in a lengthy rant I needed to get out of my system. Here is where I reference that article: ... As some of you may know, the British Medical Journal have published their peer-reviewed concerns of data integrity issues based on a variety of evidence provided, that the FDA ignored. For anyone unfamiliar with the world of medicine, especially in the UK, the BMJ is the world's oldest general medical journals, and widely well-respected. ... What's even more concerning here, is Facebook claimed "Independent fact-checkers say this information could mislead people." regarding this article being shared. Like, seriously? A social media platform that's been around for 20 years are suddenly medical and trial experts, compared to the BMJ that have been around for 150 years researching and publishing these topics? Have Facebook been given copies of the evidence provided to BMJ, if not, how would they be able to know that the information provided is untrue? The BMJ even wrote to Facebook claiming "We find the "fact check" performed by Lead Stories to be inaccurate, incompetent and irresponsible.". For me this is terrifying, the fact that peer-reviewed information published by a leading scientific journal is being censored by social media giants, with little no so scientific reasoning or experience no doubt. To clarify, after a bit of boring reading, it seems the Lead Stories (blog) did request the evidence, but they claim BMJ didn't hand it over. Probably because they aren't doctors or scientists, so are in no position to be peer-reviewing such medical and statistical data (as had already been done by the medical journal). The "fact checker" is nothing more than a reporter, working on behalf a social media giant: Lead Stories staff writer Dean Miller has edited daily and weekly newspapers, worked as a reporter for more than a decade and is co-author of two non-fiction books. Rest of his bio can be summarised as having no medical or scientific background; Harvard fellowship, public broadcasting, taught journalism, Seattle Times, won awards for journalism (cool story bro). Notably didn't win any awards for doctorates in medicine. Hence the article(s) reads like "good journalism" by attempting to discredit the source, as opposed to any scientific rebuttal (as obviously not capable of such expertise). End result: Medical journal vs corporate journalist = social media censorship   That's EXACTLY the problem, and it's a massive problem. Journalists, lawyers, historians, even priests, have suddenly become medical experts and are publishing articles discrediting scientific work, pushing their own agendas and advising the masses on what to do and not do in health matters. And, sadly, many people buy into this misinformation, risking their lives and the lives of their families. One such example is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaccine advocate. On a related note, earlier today I found out that the person who died of COVID-19, of whom I posted a couple of days ago, was under the spiritual guidance of a priest in his congregation, who advised him not to get vaccinated because vaccines are evil and against God's will. A life wasted due to some religious, doctrinal influence by a priest. I respect his religious choice, but can't help but feel deeply saddened and depressed that this was the advice he was given, and accepted, especially when the official recommendation of the Head of Church is to follow the medical experts' advice and get vaccinated. |
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OK... Fair enough regarding the unprobablistic way of characterizing your own framing of the matter, but still when we talk about a variety of possible unprobablistic scenarios it's like just throwing anything out there, and should we really be preparing our minds in those kinds of ways, even if our portfolio preparations might not match.
Or wouldn't it be true that your mind may well end up influencing your financial preparations?
Just does not sound healthy to me.. and surely, to go from the attempts to assert less probable scenarios into the assertion of way out there scenarios.
In other words, it seems way more reasonable to me to consider that if our most-likely scenario would have been to have been having the peaking out of the BTC price in this quarter, but if it does not happen, then we may well go to the 1st quarter of 2022 or the second quarter or the third quarter, and so it hardly makes any sense to skip those more likely scenarios of having some kind of delayed peak rather than completely snapping out of the matter and go along with the fact that "everyone is starting to think that we might be entering into a bear market." Since when did it matter that everyone is starting to think that we might be entering into a bear market. I am sure the same was true in 2013 with the silk road baloney and then all of a sudden. BBBBAaaaaaammmmm. similarly with the various fork wars in 2017 and the various tragedies and Armageddons.. that was not exactly smooth, and then BBBBAaaaaaammmmm.
I just don't buy it.... yeah of course, you are even conceding that we might not have any kind of extended draw down, but why do we even need anything like that to take place? We had 56% and we had 39%.. so why would there be any kind of need for more, even if everyone is thinking that we might need more... blah blah blah.
I am not attached to any kind of have to happen sort of blow off top is coming, but there aren't really any meaningful and significants\ signs that it is not, except for some bit of delay and a few pull backs along the way.. sure the pull backs do not look exactly like earlier pull backs, but so what? They don't need to look exactly the same. They are still in the same ballpark as similar enough to earlier kinds of periods of pullbacks, and all we really have so far is delay..
Sure, I will admit that throughout almost the whole of 2018, until that November collapse, I did hang onto the idea that there could be a 2013-like double top, so in that sense I was wrong about the "could be" and/or that the 2017 bull run had actually ended in December 2017.. but still even that was another more than 6x price increase (from the august/september foundation) that had already been a more than 10x increase from our $250-ish 2015 starting point.
So even if we take $4,200 for our 2019 starting point and we get a bit more than 2x to get us to the $10k September 2020 starting point, we ONLY have a 7x increase and some pretty decent sized corrections along the way to say the 56% from May/June/July and our current 39% one that has not yet been resolved regarding whether it is over.. I don't buy that those lame-ass whimpy theories are very likely to play out.. even if they surely are in the cards so I am not saying that the whimpy-ass theories are not possible.. but I am saying: I don't buy it.. I don't buy it... .. because it just seems to be hanging onto negative scenarios for the mere sake of it.. when things are still looking pretty damned good in terms of a set up for another exponential top.. I mean one of the great things about exponential tops remains the fact that shorts keep forming to believe that it is over.. at $5k then at $8k then at $10k and so on and so on... and sure you can say that we already had that in the ride up to $65k (the first time around) and our second visit to $69k. .but I am not going to buy it.. not yet.. I am not going to appreciate that you are describing any kind of likely scenario.. even if it ends up happening.. I will say that you had merely been lucky with that nonsense whimpy ass description that bitcoin was going to be lame through 2022... and wait til 2023..
Call me a bulltard if you like (and I don't even think that I am really that stuck on bullish ideations), but the nothing is gonna happen until 2023 outlook makes wwwwweeeeeee little sense to me.
What i tried to say is that China and eastern markets were holding, mining and trading big amounts of bitcoin, in relation to other countries. These are just exiting, or have exited already under the pressure of the chinese government's ban. We're now somewhere near the bottom of this exit, imho. Hashrate has recovered globally, supply is sort of fixed, exchange illiquidity rising is a fact. The amounts of fiat to be injected to go over the 2021 top is substantial, even more so because many took their chance accumulating while the knifes (china #1 mid 2021, china #2 recently) were falling. Fresh money will come in when the bottom signal is clear. But it will take time to shift the needed amount of dollars from other markets or stores of value to Bitcoin. I explicitly believe that there will be new highs in 2022, but i also have an eye on exchange illiquidity, which would make sense to me to strike somewhere in 2023. You may call it a triple-top. The unprobabilistic part is the fact we didn't have this formation before, which is supporting my idea (or vision) of said outplay. And it could be the slow squeeze of illiquidity that will make the 2022 blow-off less steep, and the liquidity crunch in 2023 more unexpected from the now terms of view. Of course, i would be a moron if i would only believe in this one scenario and not prepare for other possibilities (which are more likely to play out by probability), even more so reading your past postings and ignoring their message to develop a flexible strategy, or strategies. But since this is an inverse approach to the ole school probability type of reasoning, i would not be surprised if future happenings would come near that. Just mainly because of SOMA fundamentals. And Murphy's Law... Short version: Bullish on 2022, but not suprised if 2023 gets even more bullish because of the effect of the supply-crunch, when the majority would expect the slow fade out of the bear market. As you know, i plan to hodl the vast majority of my stash for years and decades to come, i will be fine whatever will come. I like your analysis, thanks. I also firmly believe 2022 will be a good year for Bitcoin, certainly not like 2018/19. I believe this time things are different from the previous Halving, there are bigger players involved, there is wider exposure, there's an approved ETF, countries using BTC as official currency. Things are looking up. But I don't want to rush things, let it come as and when it may, but it will. It's a when, not an if. The main things for me are 1. to own corn (most of us do, those who don't should buy ASAP, as it's currently dirt cheap but not for long), 2. to HoDL it, 3. to avoid mindrust events, 4. to expect and be prepared for up as well as down, 5. to think/plan long-term, as in 5+ years from now. BTW, I really like the ring of your phrase: "the vast majority of my stash"... Makes it sound like hundreds or thousands of coins. As for my own stash, I'd just say "most of my stash", somehow it sounds more fitting to its size. |
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On to your Q: The vaccine I got was from BIONTECH MANUFACTURING GMBH, GERMANY.
I'm sure they've received tons of lawsuits, as have most, if not all, big companies in the world, pharma or otherwise. It comes with the territory. When you're big, you'll be sued, and rightly so, in many cases, and that's that.
I also very much want to sue Micro$oft for the torture they're putting me through every day, by being forced to use their OS. The thing is, the s/w I'm using at work is the best in the world in its class, but only runs on Windows. I don't have a choice, as I value the quality of my designs infinitely more than tolerating and using the products of evil M$.
Don't you know that the contracts that governments signed to get the wonderjabs (which are to be kept secret forever, which is part of the contracts) grant the companies immunity from any sueing? Only the government can be sued and i.e. our government limited damages to what equals ~$75k. Do not compare that to an Aspirin where you can sue Bayer if you get harmed by it. Yes, I've heard of that. Luckily I'm not planning on suing any pharma company, for now at least. On a related note, when my mother had to have a hip surgery, as a legal guardian, due to her age, I had to sign a document mentioning that there was a 1/4 chance of death and if she died, the surgeon and hospital would bear no responsibility. This is standard procedure, otherwise they wouldn't operate. Two choices: 1. Let my mum stay crippled in bed forever. 2. Sign the document and let the doctors operate. I chose (2). Operation was successful. I have no intention to sue my car manufacturer too right now, but I know it keeps him from gross negligence when he knows I "could* sue him if my brakes just suddenly stopped doing their job. Yes, that's true for any surgery BUT if they totally fuck up you can still sue them contrary to the vaccines. Still the comparison is totally off, it would be a good comparison if you signed a blank sheet for your mothers surgery and they could fill in later whatever they want and never show you and the (secret) contents would supersede any law in your country. Then the situation is comparable to the vaccination contracts and the individual having these vaccines administered. The same is btw valid for the prices to be paid per dose, totally secret. Then know that these plants producing the experimental drugs have been mainly built from government moneys, no big investments there from them, just taking profits. OK, let's assume that what you're saying is true (no reason to doubt you for the benefit of our discussion). So, what do we do? Stay unprotected because we haven't seen the contracts or because we can't sue the company but only the government? Or get the only protection currently available, that has been shown to protect us to a significant degree and can save lives? Using your good comparison version of my example: I'm at the hospital. My mother needs a surgery. The doctors give me a blank sheet of paper and ask me to sign it, or else they won't operate. Situation is the same to any hospital I go to. Two choices: 1. Let my mum stay crippled in bed forever. 2. Sign the blank sheet of paper and let the doctors operate. What would you have done in this case? |
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On to your Q: The vaccine I got was from BIONTECH MANUFACTURING GMBH, GERMANY.
I'm sure they've received tons of lawsuits, as have most, if not all, big companies in the world, pharma or otherwise. It comes with the territory. When you're big, you'll be sued, and rightly so, in many cases, and that's that.
I also very much want to sue Micro$oft for the torture they're putting me through every day, by being forced to use their OS. The thing is, the s/w I'm using at work is the best in the world in its class, but only runs on Windows. I don't have a choice, as I value the quality of my designs infinitely more than tolerating and using the products of evil M$.
Don't you know that the contracts that governments signed to get the wonderjabs (which are to be kept secret forever, which is part of the contracts) grant the companies immunity from any sueing? Only the government can be sued and i.e. our government limited damages to what equals ~$75k. Do not compare that to an Aspirin where you can sue Bayer if you get harmed by it. Yes, I've heard of that. Luckily I'm not planning on suing any pharma company, for now at least. On a related note, when my mother had to have a hip surgery, as a legal guardian, due to her age, I had to sign a document mentioning that there was a 1/4 chance of death and if she died, the surgeon and hospital would bear no responsibility. This is standard procedure, otherwise they wouldn't operate. Two choices: 1. Let my mum stay crippled in bed forever. 2. Sign the document and let the doctors operate. I chose (2). Operation was successful. |
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...or take any type of medicine, make absolutely sure to fully research the ethics of the companies behind those goods and services you're about to use. Be VERY prepared to be SURPRISED by the results.
May I ask which concoction you exposed yourself to? I would like to present to you many receipts amounting to exorbitant court awards doled out to plaintiffs, as a result of Big Pharma intentional malfeasance. In this case, with whichever vendor it was, that produced the mRNA product you were injected with, presumably with informed consent. Bob, I don't know what you mean by that. I already know full well that pharma is corrupt. Sadly, this is how things are, this is where things tend to settle, companies start small & ethical and the ones that grow big also get corrupted along the way, pharma or otherwise. Maybe corruption is even necessary for a company to grow big... I was merely replying to Torque's post, telling him that, according to his grandiose ethics, he should be thoroughly ethics-checking every company whose products he uses, and immediately stop using their products if he spots any corruption -- which is absurd in the real world and leads to Kaczynski-style caveman lifestyles. On to your Q: The vaccine I got was from BIONTECH MANUFACTURING GMBH, GERMANY. I'm sure they've received tons of lawsuits, as have most, if not all, big companies in the world, pharma or otherwise. It comes with the territory. When you're big, you'll be sued, and rightly so, in many cases, and that's that. I also very much want to sue Micro$oft for the torture they're putting me through every day, by being forced to use their OS. The thing is, the s/w I'm using at work is the best in the world in its class, but only runs on Windows and is essential to my work. I don't have a choice, as I value the quality of my designs infinitely more than tolerating and using the products of evil M$. |
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Let me put it this way, so that my point becomes clearer:
Suppose that a heart surgeon is corrupt, but he is the only heart surgeon available to operate on me. If I have a serious heart condition, I will have no choice but to visit that doctor. I don't like him, but it's my only option for an operation. I won't need to be friends with him. I won't need to hang out with him. I just want him to operate on me and save me. I will simply use his services. I could choose not to visit him and wait at home until a more ethical surgeon becomes available. Would that be a wise choice? You answer that.
No I would not, as any sane person would not, and you are crazy in your bent justification. Your mental gymnastics are truly incredible to behold. Now that I know that you are batshit insane, I'm done having this conversation with you. I'm done. Especially since you seem to have all this time to type a bunch of emotional nonsense, but still refuse to answer of my questions about vaccine EFFECTIVENESS with any actual science data. Good luck with your fifty thousand jabs and boosters. I hope you don't die or have any side effects. /ignore Next time you go out shopping, or use any product, service, technology, medical help, or take any type of medicine, make absolutely sure to fully research the ethics of the companies behind those goods and services you're about to use. Be VERY prepared to be SURPRISED by the results. If you fully and truly believe and respect your grandiose ethics, you should be a man about it, abandon everything in civilized society and go live in a cave, animal skin for clothes, stones for tools, the works. A proper cave-man. Just don't return to society crying like a little sissy whenever you feel a pain in your body or you catch a cold. No medicine for you, those pharmaceutical companies are so corrupt, how dare you put those poisons in your body. Better pray to Karhu for help. Good luck waking up. You just don't get it, do you? Yes, I have had a number of vaccine shots (measles, mumps, chickenpox, tetanus, etc.) and have used and continue to use NUMEROUS pharmaceuticals on occasion in my lifetime, because they are relatively safe and very effective. And I will continue to do so when it make sense. But the CV19 vaccines? No. Because they are neither safe nor effective. It's not an all or nothing scenario like you like to paint people. Back to /ignore OK, first it was ethics, now it's efficacy and safety. So, what stops you from going under the knife with a corrupt, but otherwise very competent heart surgeon, when you know he can save you? How is this any different from using pharmaceuticals when you know, by your own admission, that the companies that make them are corrupt? Can you see the contradiction there? If anything, the corrupt doctor may ask for a few $$$$. With pharma we're talking $ millionsbillions. It seems that you conveniently adapt your criteria to suit your needs. When the doctor says you need to take a pill, ethics don't matter, as long as it's safe and effective and capable of saving you. When you are against vaccines, even when evidence shows they're effective to a significant degree and are capable of saving lives, it's all about ethics and the evil pharma. BTW, I'm glad you've already dismissed the deliberate side-effects / engineered-to-kill theory -- this is also circulating on the interwebs and has quite a few supporters. I thought you were one of them, good to know you aren't. To sum up (for the n-th time), I did my part, I posted my data, I analyzed them, it's all there for all to see and draw their own conclusions. Despite our heated exchanges, I wish you the best of luck, as I do to everyone out there. Stay safe all! |
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Let me put it this way, so that my point becomes clearer:
Suppose that a heart surgeon is corrupt, but he is the only heart surgeon available to operate on me. If I have a serious heart condition, I will have no choice but to visit that doctor. I don't like him, but it's my only option for an operation. I won't need to be friends with him. I won't need to hang out with him. I just want him to operate on me and save me. I will simply use his services. I could choose not to visit him and wait at home until a more ethical surgeon becomes available. Would that be a wise choice? You answer that.
No I would not, as any sane person would not, and you are crazy in your bent justification. Your mental gymnastics are truly incredible to behold. Now that I know that you are batshit insane, I'm done having this conversation with you. I'm done. Especially since you seem to have all this time to type a bunch of emotional nonsense, but still refuse to answer of my questions about vaccine EFFECTIVENESS with any actual science data. Good luck with your fifty thousand jabs and boosters. I hope you don't die or have any side effects. /ignore Next time you go out shopping, or use any product, service, technology, medical help, or take any type of medicine, make absolutely sure to fully research the ethics of the companies behind those goods and services you're about to use. Be VERY prepared to be SURPRISED by the results. If you fully and truly believe and respect your grandiose ethics, you should be a man about it, abandon everything in civilized society and go live in a cave, animal skin for clothes, stones for tools, the works. A proper cave-man. Just don't return to society crying like a little sissy whenever you feel a pain in your body or you catch a cold. No medicine for you, those pharmaceutical companies are so corrupt, how dare you put those poisons in your body. Better pray to Karhu for help. Good luck waking up. |
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Or course, vaccines, especially the COVID-19 ones, are far from perfect, I never claimed they were, because there's no such thing as a perfect drug. I just cannot buy the theory that this is somehow deliberate, though. That somehow the pharmaceutical companies have deliberately designed vaccines to cause side-effects, in order to kill or disable us. Pharmaceutical companies have lied to us and will continue to lie to us, as long as it affects their profits, power and influence, as do, routinely, almost all big corporations, governments, TPTB in general.
Dude, wat? Are you high? This is the second time that you have admitted that pharmaceutical companies lie and are basically evil and out for profit, yet you still say you whole-heartedly trust the vaccines? That don't compute. Cognitive dissonance much? And no one is saying that the pharma companies DELIBERATELY designed or added side effects to the CV19 vaccines, in order to kill people. That's ridiculous. The vaccines just HAVE side effects, it's a by-product of their mRNA delivery mechanism and the way they work. Let me put it this way, so that my point becomes clearer: Suppose that a heart surgeon is corrupt, but he is the only heart surgeon available to operate on me. If I have a serious heart condition, I will have no choice but to visit that doctor. I don't like him, but it's my only option for an operation. I won't need to be friends with him. I won't need to hang out with him. I just want him to operate on me and save me. I will simply use his services. I could choose not to visit him and wait at home until a more ethical surgeon becomes available. Would that be a wise choice? You answer that. Do you think Intel/AMD are ethical? Do you think the food chain and all the supermarket labels are ethical? Do you think the big supermarket chains themselves are ethical? Have you heard of Foxconn, the major makers of iPhone and other electronic devices, where they have installed nets around their production plants, to catch workers jumping to commit suicide due to the pressure they receive for long work hours and low wages? I can GUARANTEE you that almost all of the above are corrupt and constantly play dirty games in the stock market and put pressure on their suppliers for cheaper goods. The don't give a rat's ass about their workers or you and me. They only care about maximizing their profits, just like pharma. Yet, almost all of us use most of the above. Does this mean we are all so corrupt ourselves? Do we like or even enjoy all this? HELL NO! But THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE, apart from going to the mountains and live in a cave, like Ted Kaczynski did. And what did he achieve? Nothing! A brilliant mathematician, completely wasted on a failed cause, when he could have contributed so much to the field of mathematics, in order to help science and society. Instead of that, he is currently incarcerated at USP Florence ADMAX, serving eight life sentences without the possibility of parole. Good luck to him in changing the world for the better. Right now, the only readily available method to protect ourselves are those vaccines you so very much despise, made by those corrupt companies. I wish I could make my own ethical company to make them myself, but I can't. I can only use the only method available to protect myself, and that is the vaccines. As science and technology advances, and more effective and better treatments become available, I will use them instead. I hope this is now clearer. |
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@aysg76: Sorry for your loss too. Thanks for the information and kind words. I appreciate it. To all, anything further to add to this, please, let's take it to Bob's thread, thanks. |
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Worldwide evidence: 2,400,000 (vaccination side-effects <-- YOUR number) / 4,300,000,000 (total vaccinations) = 1 / 1792 = 0.056% of all vaccinated people developing any adverse reactions (even mild ones). 0.056% I don't want to sound disrespectful, but we know there is vast underreporting of adverse events. How many footballers do you need to see collapsing on the pitch, clutching their chests, before FIFA can't hide the problems any longer? Have you heard about the situation in Gibraltar recently? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/christmas-cancelled-gibraltar-vaccinations-b966816.html"Gibraltar has seen cases increase with 66 new daily infections reported on average - equivalent to 52% of its peak in January.
The Rock has administered at least 94,469 vaccine doses so far which is enough to have fully vaccinated 140.2% of the country’s population."I don't want to come off as cheeky, but it's arguable breakthrough infections are an adverse reaction. Could you imagine the outrage of someone being traditionally vaccinated against smallpox, and contracting smallpox, to offer a different viewpoint? Thanks for that information Bob, I appreciate it, and the entire manner in which you have handled the recent COVID-19 discussion. You are not being disrespectful at all. About my calculations above, I just used Torque's own data (taken directly from his own post), so that there is no dispute in the source of the numbers. Surely, those numbers could be higher, I accept that. I was not aware of the Gibraltar situation, will look into it. Or course, vaccines, especially the COVID-19 ones, are far from perfect, I never claimed they were, because there's no such thing as a perfect drug. I just cannot buy the theory that this is somehow deliberate, though. That somehow the pharmaceutical companies have deliberately designed vaccines to cause side-effects, in order to kill or disable us. Pharmaceutical companies have lied to us and will continue to lie to us, as long as it affects their profits, power and influence, as do, routinely, almost all big corporations, governments, TPTB in general. But, in the midst of it all, what can we do to shield ourselves against this disease? I've suffered the ordeal of COVID-19 in January, it gave me hell. You went through it too, and as I recall it gave you hell too. Can you imagine being permanently disabled or even dying from it? You weren't and I wasn't. We survived it, sure, but was the risk of being unprotected worth it? I don't claim to know the truth, far from it. What I know is that the internet is full of blogs and "news" sources claiming that the Earth is flat, all vaccines (generally, not just for COVID-19) are bad for us (Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is not even a doctor, is a pioneer in this misinformation), 5G is designed to control our brains, and all sorts of Hocus Pocus Harry Potter material for those naive enough to buy them. What am I to believe out of all this? So, what I do is examine my social circle, those cases I can personally verify, and try to correlate these with larger-scale data, in the hope of finding some sort of trend or pattern. I've had 10 deaths that I can recall, most of them old and frail people, but unvaccinated. Still, in the very same pool, there are many more old and frail ones (some in their 90s) who are vaccinated and NO ONE of them has died. To me, 10 vs. 0 is an indicator. It tells me something. Similar observations are reported by virtually all of my friends and relatives, and some WOers here ( post 1, post 2). Anyone, reading this, just do a survey in your own social circle, ask around and get first-hand, verifiable data. See what you find. Post here if you have the time. My motivation was purely to get my story out for all to read and evaluate. I would very much like to read similar stories from other WOers, of both vaccinated and unvaccinated cases -- but NOT copy/pasted, second-hand, unverifiable tweets or cases unrelated to the poster. I'd like to read about real cases happening to our own social circles, that we can first-handedly verify, whose persons involved we are friends/acquaintances with, whose phone numbers are in our phones. I've personally done that, and my conclusions are overwhelmingly in favor of getting the vaccine vs. staying unprotected. I've got 2 doses of the Pfizer variety. Not very eager to get a 3rd dose, but I might, depending on how the situation develops. I feel healthy, I've never experienced any side-effects whatsoever. Am I lucky? I don't know. I just applied the above and it has worked out OK so far for me. I wish the same for all of us, to be healthy and survive this. |
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Thanks for that link. I'm fan of Tor and the freedom it gives us by safeguarding our privacy on the net. Sadly, Russia seems to be at it again, trying to ban the unbannable, just like China recently tried (again) to ban the unbannable. They will both fail IMHO (China already did, judging from Bitcoin's hash rate and miner relocations). I see Aleksei Navalny being mentioned in the article, the anti-corruption activist who was poisoned in 2020 with a Novichok nerve agent by Putin and his mafia secret agent gang, and nearly died. They tried to silence him too, as they did (and in most cases succeeded) with so many anti-corruption journalists since Putin assumed power. I say to them, bring it on and see what you get! |
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Frankly, I currently don't have the time or the state of mind to answer the barrage of questions and analysis you are asking me to do above. So you have time to hurl insults at anti-vaxxers and literally tell them to fuck off, time to base all your conclusions on emotional, personal experiences only, but you don't have time to do the research and answer my questions backed with real "science"- i.e., rebuttals with collected data, stats, and logical reasoning? Someone close to me has just died of COVID-19, who could have been saved if he had been vaccinated. No, I don't have the time needed to do the barrage of tasks you asked me to, that even specialist scientists need months/years to do. On the other hand, I do have one Sunday to spend posting my story and commenting on replies, in the hope someone is helped by the discussion. I even did an analysis using the numerical data YOU provided, which you miserably failed to refute -- a common tactic of those unable to respond with evidence: throw a ton of questions in place of a concise, meaningful and factual reply they are unable to provide. It is not magic. It is science.
Got it. Judging from your post, I don't think you got anything at all, as your lack of comprehension is evident throughout. Let me spell it out to you once more -- maybe there's still hope: Vaccines = Science Vaccines =/= Magic Honest answer: I got the vaccine because I don't want to die like 10 of my friends and relatives died.
Wow...first your story it was one relative, then it was two...now it is 10 of your close friends and relatives that have died? My my, where you live, unvaxxed peeps around you are just dropping like flies, aren't they? Now you have resorted to outward lies and misquoting me. Re-read all my posts. For your (and readers') convenience, I'm including all relevant links to my posts below. I openly and publicly challenge you to give evidence that supports what you mentioned above, by providing verbatim quotes of my posts. If you fail to do so, you, Torque, are a LIAR.I talked about one (1) casualty today (45 y.o.), and there was another one (1) about a month ago (my uncle, in his 80s). These were close to me. 1+1=2. TWO. Overall, on my social circle (500+) there are TEN (10) unvaccinated deaths. Yet, out of the very same social circle, there are ZERO, NADA, NO deaths of vaccinated people whatsoever. Are you able to comprehend this? All of the above is nicely summarized in my post here, which you clearly have trouble comprehending (again)! Since you, Torque, clearly have such cognitive problems as to not being able to comprehend layman's English, let's try some math, shall we? Worldwide evidence: 2,400,000 (vaccination side-effects <-- YOUR number) / 4,300,000,000 (total vaccinations) = 1 / 1792 = 0.056% of all vaccinated people developing any adverse reactions (even mild ones). 0.056% [ Full analysis with sources here] Any meaningful, factual-based response to the above, other than showing a horrible twitter photo of a nasty reaction to the AZ vaccine, with that person already fully recovered, and being among the 0.056% of cases calculated above? No? I thought so. |
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These are the facts, these are the sources, this is the analysis. Everyone reading this: use your common sense, your logic and your brain to draw your own conclusions. Strip away your ego, your self-righteousness and your herd mentality, and view this with a totally open mind. I'm not typing all this just for Torque, but for all to see. This is not about vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers. If you're seeing it that way, you've already fallen into the very trap you're trying to avoid.
The CDC's published ADRs for the vaccines is VASTLY underreported by at least a factor of 5X. Not even the VAERS database has all the available data. But let's assume for the moment that your math about the ADRs has some merit, and the vaccines are as safe as you say. The bigger question is then, why take the vaccines at all? Just because they are safe? Since you like math, go out and gather the stat data, crunch the numbers, and then mathematically show me the proof that having more of the world's population vaccinated would do ANYTHING to: 1) Stop someone from contracting CV-19. This is a proven fact now that it does not protect someone from getting it. 2) Stop or slow the spread of the virus. Countries with the highest reported vaccination rates inexplicably have the highest number of newly reported cases, literally off the charts. (Hint: because the vaccinated are the ones spreading it) 3) Stop the extreme reaction cases from going into the ICU, or even dying. That was the original purpose of the vaccine, to prevent that. There are people who are 100% vaxxed (2, 3 jabs) that are still ending up in the ICU and dying. 4) Stop lockdowns, mask wearing, and/or having to have proof of vaccine papers to go anywhere and do anything. There are now countries with 90%+, even near 99% vaccinated, that still have to live under these draconian violations of their civil liberties. Why? If the populous are all vaccinated, then what is there to fear? Shouldn't they have their freedoms? Torque, I have nothing against you personally, and I actually quite like many of your posts on WO. Frankly, I currently don't have the time or the state of mind to answer the barrage of questions and analysis you are asking me to do above. I did my part, I told my story, which I felt was a duty to my fellow WOers with whom I virtually hang out every day, as I did to many of my friends and relatives in real life. I did my analysis with official numbers and those you provided yourself earlier. To me, the conclusion is overwhelmingly in favor of the vaccines. To you and others it may not be so. That's OK. I just wanted to publish my story, my analysis and my conclusions for everyone to see and evaluate. Clearly, you didn't like it and didn't appreciate it. That's OK, just scroll past it. Strip away your ego, self-righteousness, and herd mentality, and ask yourself, who should you be getting the vaccine for, and why? Where's the data to support the theory of "more vaccinated + forever boosters == eradicate or stop the spread of Covid"?
Honest answer: I got the vaccine because I don't want to die like 10 of my friends and relatives died. I want to be part of the other group, where ZERO have died. See my analysis in my earlier post to see how this is also reflected and generalized in a world-wide scale. This is not fear, it's common sense and logic. We are at war. Two choices: 1. Go out to battle with the only readily accessible protection we've got. A shield. Not perfect, not 100% effective, has a funny shape and the metal is rough and heavy, but it's a shield. It will protect us to a significant degree, and the figures clearly confirm it. This shield is being used and abused by pharmaceutical companies to gain huge profits, governments use and abuse it to gain political power and exert control on the masses. The media use and abuse it to gain influence and promote their own evil agendas. BUT IT'S STILL A SHIELD! 2. Go out to battle completely naked, wish ourselves good luck, or even worse, pray to some supernatural entity to protect us. Somehow I feel the odds will be against us. And, do you know what the most tragic part of all this is? Pfizer/Moderna will still get super-rich, governments will still use and abuse the system to control the masses. But we'll be DEAD. DEAD! A 20-second news report. The choice is ours.
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Sincerely sorry for the loss you and your family are currently experiencing.
This virus is a real bitch to be sure, and daily human society has been completely overturned as a result, while our overlords attempt... whatever it is they are attempting...
Sharing a related story, on a personal level, I recently learned of a COVID19 related death of one of the workers that was on the fence team on our ranch project.
When the dispute came up with the neighbors, and the fence team had to get taken off the job early, one of the older fellows on the team asked their leads if he could take off two weeks to Mexico to spend some time with his family.
He ended up contracting COVID19 while in Mexico, and learned he had passed away as a result - when the team returned to complete the work recently, minus the one older fellow.
I can't help but to feel my asshole neighbors starting a dispute we steamrolled them on in the end, resulted in the untimely death of someone that was working on a project for us. That weighs on me.
This timeline really sucks right now.
That's so sad Bob, really sorry about this. Like they say... A butterfly's wings can cause a tsunami... Chaos theory. Because that's what this is. I guess the sequence of events was unfortunate for that worker in your team... As OOM says, maybe you're being too hard on yourself, but I fully understand you. I feel the same. When we lose a loved one we always go through the "what if" torture chamber. Unanswered questions, and that damned conscience is ever-present to tell us when and where we did something wrong. This shit we're going through is tough for all of us, infected, uninfected, vaccinated, unvaccinated. Masks everywhere, COVID passes to go have a coffee or dine with friends. I hate it every time I have to show that QR code to the waitress. I don't know what the solution is, but it certainly is NOT to divide and conquer us into herds of vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers, like robots auto-reacting to some trigger. Fuck this shit. I see little kids with child-sized masks on, almost treating it like a game. Is this a good sight? Fuck no. Let's hope it all goes away soon, or if it stays, it becomes manageable. [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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I've just posted a reply to a post by Torque in Bob's thread. Those involved in the COVID-19 discussion, or simply concerned and interested, may want to read it. It contains an analysis and some numerical results. I'm posting the above link to it here in WO, in the hope it gets some more exposure, as I think it's informative. Please, let's keep that discussion in Bob's thread. Thanks.
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I don't know how significant the above data is, and if my original post made WO so dirty or whatever. This is what it is, take it as you may. I present the data, it may be skewed, incomplete, small sample, and whatever else you can say about it. The reader can draw his/her own conclusions.
On the worldwide scale, it's not significant, at all. For all the reasons you listed. It's just your local, personal experience. Larger world collected data and metrics are what is significant, and tell the true story. I think a pool of 500 people should reflect the total trend, as I show below: In your own reply to my original WO post, you say that so far the vaccines have "caused 2.4M adverse drug reactions, heart inflammation, blood clots, and deaths". Let's do some calculations based on that data that you, yourself, provided: Total worldwide vaccine adverse reactions: 2,400,000 <--- Source: Your own postTotal worldwide full vaccinations (2 doses): 4,300,000,000 <--- Source: Johns Hopkins University (JHU)The above worldwide-scale data clearly show that, on average, 2,400,000 / 4,300,000,000 = 1 / 1792 = 0.056% of all vaccinated people developing any adverse reactions (death is much, much lower). 0.056%Let's take the above result and apply it to my own pool of social circle. This is about 500 people, out of which around 80% are vaccinated, which gives us a total of 400 vaccinated people. Therefore, it follows from the above worldwide-scale results, that I should be expecting to observe the following trend in my social circle: 400 (vaccinated people) x 0.056% (percentage of vaccine adverse reactions) = 0.22 vaccinated people with adverse reactions!In other words, simple mathematics show us that, out of the 400 vaccinated people in my social circle, I should be seeing about 0.22 vaccinated people suffering from adverse reactions to the vaccines. Well, that's EXACTLY what I'm seeing! 0.22 people = ZERO!These are the facts, these are the sources, this is the analysis. Everyone reading this: use your common sense, your logic and your brain to draw your own conclusions. Strip away your ego, your self-righteousness and your herd mentality, and view this with a totally open mind. I'm not typing all this just for Torque, but for all to see. This is not about vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers. If you're seeing it that way, you've already fallen into the very trap you're trying to avoid. |
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@AlcoHoDL Lucky i am far away from you, people around you seem to get sick and die at a rate well above average from this covid thing. That begs the question why would that be? Can it be the exact opposite lifestyle to the Amish or the liking what they dont like, government, public shools, health care system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1DgWYdukZUHave posted my reply in Bob's COVID-19 thread. <-- click to jump to it. |
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