What, exactly, they are dividing?
Do any of them have the keys to any of this "property"?
Any way they are collaborating so that the court "confirms" that csw is satoshi? He's shown himself to be quite the trickster. Neither of them have the keys. Faketoshi thinks a Florida court can compel all miners worldwide to transfer to him whatever coins he wants without providing a valid privkey signature. The odds of this actually occurring are less than zero. The court specifically said it will not be deciding who Satoshi is. While narcissists usually fail at these levels of justice, they don't accept it, no matter what. Expect some more bullshit action from this psycho-clown commonly known as CSW. True. The problem I see is that the justice system is far from competent enough to deal with such issues. At least that's the way I see it. Given enough attempts, there may be a situation when CSW could win a case due to a bad/incompetent judge/jury, and then start a barrage of legal actions to force the application of the ruling, which could put pressure on the Core Devs and other Bitcoin-related entities to comply. We all saw what happened with Cøbra. Of course, such ruling (i.e., the transfer of coins without keys) would be impossible to apply without specific changes to the code, changes which will then need to receive consensus (which they won't), and this could lead to a situation dragging on forever. I suspect that's exactly what CSW may be seeking, i.e., to create a huge mess and satisfy his ego and megalomania in the midst of it all. Such fuss, when a simple ability (or lack thereof) to sign a message with a specific key could solve all issues and remove all doubt in an instant. It just defies belief as to why everyone still has to put up with CSW's shit. Justice, in technological manners, is mainly dependent on "experts" in the process. The expertise(s) is/are the foundation for judgements. Like: Old judge nominates expert X to answer a set of questions that help the juridical process get to decisions. In this case, questions like: "Can somebody prove to be owner of (below listed) blockchain adresses?", "If yes, what would be a valid proof?". Next round, old judge will ask CSW if he can deliver a proof of ownership. CSW will reply: "Yes, of course i can! Here's the proof..." If the proof CSW delivers to the court and it's not in the form the expert considered to be valid, his ownership claim will get rejected. In my country, he would then be able to plea against the judgement, the next higher court in the hierarchy would check the trial for correctness. If the revision court doesn't find any errors old judge made, CSW would be rejected, otherwise the trial will be rolled up again, following directions from the revision judge. There's another escalation level, but that would be like a claim against the nation/law itself (...good luck with that). EDIT: Of course, on of the main questions of the judge(s) would be if coins can be transferred without keys. Cobra is a different story. He chose not to defend the case because of reasons, which is like granting CSW's wish (agreeing to his perspective of copyright ownership of the bitcoin whitepaper). IIRC this trial was about that. Claiming "stolen money" from somebody needs a little more solid proof of ownership. Also "mining coins together with mr. Kleiman" doesn't make him co-owner if there's no agreement. Kleiman's "supercomputer" did the work, and even if CSW "lost the keys" (proof of ownership), the court can't decide in his favour if there's no other way to prove ownership. We already know the odds  But if you're stupid, fuck-u-rich or even both, you wanna likely throw a small amount of your wealth at lawyers and courts without giving a fuck. CSW also profits from being in the news, "making himself a name". Amirite?
What angered me in the Cøbra case is that CSW was able to take down the White Paper in the UK site. This is a symbolic move that says "I can do things, I can mess you up". This shouldn't have happened. It sets a precedent. It shouldn't have been possible for it to happen. But it did. I know the Kleiman case is different, but it only takes a wrongly chosen "expert", or an expert on paper but an incompetent degree holder in reality, coupled with a selfish and incompetent judge who has an inner bias against Bitcoin, to throw things the wrong way and result in a ruling that will open Pandora's box and arm CSW with legal weapons to feed his megalomania and cause chaos. Of course, things can go the other way too, and CSW can be crushed by a clever judge and a well-prepared legal team. I hope this happens and the cancer that is CSW is eradicated for good. |
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What, exactly, they are dividing?
Do any of them have the keys to any of this "property"?
Any way they are collaborating so that the court "confirms" that csw is satoshi? He's shown himself to be quite the trickster. Neither of them have the keys. Faketoshi thinks a Florida court can compel all miners worldwide to transfer to him whatever coins he wants without providing a valid privkey signature. The odds of this actually occurring are less than zero. The court specifically said it will not be deciding who Satoshi is. While narcissists usually fail at these levels of justice, they don't accept it, no matter what. Expect some more bullshit action from this psycho-clown commonly known as CSW. True. The problem I see is that the justice system is far from competent enough to deal with such issues. At least that's the way I see it. Given enough attempts, there may be a situation when CSW could win a case due to a bad/incompetent judge/jury, and then start a barrage of legal actions to force the application of the ruling, which could put pressure on the Core Devs and other Bitcoin-related entities to comply. We all saw what happened with Cøbra. Of course, such ruling (i.e., the transfer of coins without keys) would be impossible to apply without specific changes to the code, changes which will then need to receive consensus (which they won't), and this could lead to a situation dragging on forever. I suspect that's exactly what CSW may be seeking, i.e., to create a huge mess and satisfy his ego and megalomania in the midst of it all. Such fuss, when a simple ability (or lack thereof) to sign a message with a specific key could solve all issues and remove all doubt in an instant. It just defies belief as to why everyone still has to put up with CSW's shit. |
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My internet will be cut tomorrow.
The phone company is from January first no longer using the copper wires (land line) and I have land line ADSL
internet.
I have ordered fiber but it may take 6 to 12 months before they can get their asses out here and dig a cable to my house, on the other hand I only had to pay 9900 SEK for it. My neighbors who got cable when it was first installed some years ago in the area had to pay 32000 sek.
So I will be mostly using my laptop and free wifi spots in town to go online. I will try to use my phone as a wifi hot spot, but I don't know how well that will work.
The phone company tried to install a solution using a antenna and the mobile phone masts, but they couldn't get a strong enough signal.
So, I'll be on here more sporadically for a while i think, depending on how well the phone wifi solution works.
I would think things in Sweden would be better than that... Keeping you offline for up to a year is unacceptable in this day and age... Incidentally, Malmö is (IIRC) the model name of my bed, bought in IKEA! Also, yesterday I started watching a Swedish horror movie called Knackningar (2021). Haven't finished watching it. Will do tonight (from the beginning, for a proper watch). What a messy post I've made, jumping from topic to topic like a bee... Sorry... |
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Sorry to hear about this. But also wondering, are there any other hat-only threads I should be aware of? I only just became aware of that one. I don't want to risk getting hat-related threadlessness fomo. Not that I'm aware of. I think there may have been a couple of WO forks, made by disappointed WOers, but they all quickly died, just like BTC forks. The power of the people. In any case, I won't be visiting the COVID-19 thread much -- this was only to report my personal experience with my cousin and her family, which I think was an interesting and personally verified case that puts things in some real perspective among the mass media and conspiracy theory FUD. I hope it helps someone out there. As for me, I'm a hardcore WO resident, never really stray away from WO, that's the only place I visit in BitcoinTalk (bookmark leads straight here), and that's where I get the latest news on all things Bitcoin. |
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COVID-19 FUD?
If you're righteous you'll survive.
And your Bitcoins too.
#omicronfudhaiku
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Boys and girls of WO.
Pumpening is happening...
6 digits this year!
#sundayhopiumhaiku
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Several (non headline) articles I've read suggest that this Omicron carry on most likely has less severe symptoms.
Perhaps when the panic of politicians and hyper propaganda media dies off and some sense of using a few brain cells re-appears in the next few days markets including BTC will recover heavily.
I've stopped watching TV since 2016. Has the new mutation really caused so much fuss? Will go check some news sites... Let's hope markets will come back to their senses, and price will resume UPpity soon. |
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I'm not sure one can really optimally time their Bitcoin buys and sells.
It depends on each individual's style. For me, if I have some fiat to spare and I see a dippening (or even without seeing one), I go all-in and buy. I never sell (not yet anyway). I never set up future buy/sell orders (ladder schemes, for when the price reaches certain future values, etc.). I just can't be bothered. I always buy immediately, at market value, and use the entire amount. Basically, I treat my Bitcoin wallet as a bank account. I just deposit funds when available, and let it grow.
Not the best strategy for everyone, probably sub-optimal for many, but it suits my style and I'm happy with it.
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Nope he's alive. But dead inside. The worst kind of death... |
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Real case, happening to some of my dearest relatives.
My 2 sats worth. Take it as you will.
… because, as we all know, getting “vaccinated” prevents all spread and infection… Not sure about preventing spread and infection, but COVID-19 vaccines seem to be significantly protecting the infected from going through living hell while having it, and also from suffering permanent health damage after surviving it. This is supported by real cases in my own social circle. |
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Agreed, I think we need to remain more conservative over utilising the phrase "doing a mindrust".
I agree that we need to sparingly and sharply use the "pulling a mindrust" term only in the most severe, discipline-lacking, and limp-wristed cases. I've not ever personally witnessed a more bone-headed move on these forums. I know it is gauche to talk about such things, but with regards to mindrust, do we know the approximate size of his bags when he dumped? Are we talking 10BTC? 50? 100? Just wondering out loud how much he fucked himself, if we were to assign a dollar value to what an absolutely massive loser mindrust turned out to be. I I’m correct he had 5 max 7 BTC’s I thought he had 10 BTC, but you're probably right. I never really looked into the details. |
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I am not sure if people realise that there will never be 21,000,000 Bitcoins... and i don't mean lost coins (that is still part of the circulation total)...
(waiting for a reply asking why...) That's just a rounding difference. 21 million is easier to remember than 20,999,999.9769 (which I actually had to look up). It's less than that. Some miners haven't claimed their full reward so we're ~29 BTC short IIRC. Bingo! That's the answer!... Back when i was mining, i had watched some blocks being added, and this particular block caught my eye.... It was confirmed but 12.5BTC reward wasn't added. Block Number: 501726 Asked the question back in tech support and the legendary ranochigo answered it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2667744.msg27213316#msg27213316In theory, it is possible to have the limit of Bitcoin even lower than 21,000,000, if miners somehow screw up their OP_RETURN... that -12.5BTC that i know about.. there are others, but it was New Years Eve 2017 and i wasn't bothered to find any previous ones. You should take a look at the transaction... very strange https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/0000000000000000004b27f9ee7ba33d6f048f684aaeb0eea4befd80f1701126184467440724.59550000 BTC in fees.... If I'm not mistaken, that was a kind of wrap-around signed/unsigned type error, had to do with a wrongly declared C variable type, and was fixed in an update. I could be wrong, but I think that was it. |
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I am not sure if people realise that there will never be 21,000,000 Bitcoins... and i don't mean lost coins (that is still part of the circulation total)...
(waiting for a reply asking why...) That's just a rounding difference. 21 million is easier to remember than 20,999,999.9769 (which I actually had to look up). That's what I thought he meant, but I couldn't be bothered to look it up. It means nothing practically. Just 0.0231 BTC short of 21M. Less the currently unclaimed 29 BTC that suchmoon mentioned. So, still nothing. The most significant supply reduction, that has a practical meaning, are the lost BTC (from lost keys, owners dying, etc.). |
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Of course, all lives matter. It's just that, in my circle of friends, relatives and colleagues (number in the several hundreds), no one has ever died or their health permanently damaged from a COVID-19 vaccine (or any vaccine), yet many have died or their health permanently damaged from COVID-19.
I don't know if the above means anything to most, but it means something to me and I can't help but be affected by it.
But in my circle of friends, relatives and colleagues, no one has died from Covid, or even has had bad symptoms. A few have gotten it, yes, and recovered within days. "Felt like a flu" they said. Are we going to just go by what we see around us, or should we go by data and statistics? Btw, you had an uncle that by your own admission was old, and had already had a stroke. That's called a comorbidity. Yes, but what about my cousin vs. her husband? Same age, both perfectly healthy. This is only one case, you'll say. An outlier. And you'll be right in the scientific sense. But it's still something that adds up to the many similar cases I've seen with my own eyes, and that makes it somewhat more significant to me. Of course, I see your point about scientific results vs. personal experiences. I know my reaction is very much affected by emotions and I don't claim my "results" are general. But, from everything I've read and heard so far, I don't see COVID-19 vaccines as being so evil and bad for us, as may anti-vaxxers claim. I just see them as some form of protection from the virus, not perfect, not 100% effective, not without side-effects, but giving us an advantage that is significant enough to help protect us from falling gravely ill and suffering permanent damage or even death from the virus. That's the way I see it. I may be wrong, but so far my personal experiences support this viewpoint. I hope some day this entire COVID-19 situation ends completely, and we go back to normality again, although it looks like it's going to be with us for some time to come. I think and believe that science is the only weapon we have against it and I hope science soon succeeds in eliminating this virus, as it has done countless times in the past. |
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Does someone close to us have to die, in order to realize the seriousness of the situation?
Does it have to happen to someone we know and love?
Just think about it for a minute.
People that have lost loved ones to these vaccines would say the same. But I guess that all the millions of otherwise healthy people that have either died or had serious medical ADRs within just days or weeks of taking the vaccine don't matter to you? There is documented proof that these vaccines kill or seriously harm MORE people than they save, and some of data is from the CDC itself. https://www.skirsch.com/covid/VaccineEssentials.pdfBut as long as someone that is presumably "saved" (in your mind) by a vaccine is a family member, that's all that counts? Hmmm...interesting moral hazard. EDIT: Btw, there was a time not too long ago, and for decades, that if a drug company were in drug trials and that drug killed or even harmed so much as 100 people, they would stop the trial and shelve the drug candidate. Because that drug was deemed toxic they knew that the FDA would absolutely not approve it. Now we have vaccines out there that are not even FDA approved, with an ADR rate of 2.4M in the span of a single year. Fucking unbelievable that people are defending this. Of course, all lives matter. It's just that, in my circle of friends, relatives and colleagues (number in the several hundreds), no one has ever died or their health permanently damaged from a COVID-19 vaccine (or any vaccine), yet many have died or their health permanently damaged from COVID-19.I don't know if the above means anything to most, but it means something to me and I can't help but be affected by it. |
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That's terrible....
I also wonder how it is possible there are still so many people who do not see how serious this is. The only way that is possible if they do not know many other people. Age might also play a roll, if you are really young and don't know many older ppl there is less of an issue around you.
I've had a buddy of mine die, a colleague, and at the home for the elderly where my GF works, about a fifth of the people living there died.
My GF got it and one year later she is still suffering from long covid.
Many colleagues and acquitances have been seriously, seriously ill and a (small) number of them are still not 100% back to their old selves.
Thanks for the post. Yes, the situation is similar on my side too. I just hope this entire COVID-19 situation ends soon. |
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Sorry to hear about your uncle... so much to say, but it's not going to change the results... Thanks. He was old, but in good health before the stroke and the COVID-19 infection. What worries me more is about my cousin. I hope the virus clears away soon and there is no permanent damage to her health. I hope those close to her learn something from her ordeal, especially her brother. |
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Just to put things in perspective: My first cousin — Deeply religious, anti-vaxxer, unvaccinated. Her brother (and my first cousin) — Deeply religious, anti-vaxxer, unvaccinated. Her husband — Atheist, pro-vaxxer, vaccinated (Pfizer). Her father (my uncle) — Very old, not allowed to get vaccinated by his son and daughter. - Father has a stroke (about 2 weeks ago). Goes to hospital. Gets stabilized, condition improves.
- Daughter gets infected with COVID-19 from infected patient inside the hospital.
- Daughter infects father.
- Daughter infects husband.
- Father goes to intensive care unit and dies a few days later of COVID-19 complications (in the lungs).
- Daughter and husband are currently isolated at home.
- Daughter (unvaccinated) is suffering from severe symptoms (high fever, breathing problems, severe coughing).
- Daughter is constantly crying and wants to end her life, for not protecting her father.
- Daughter admits it was wrong not to trust vaccines, and urges friends and colleagues to get vaccinated ASAP.
- Husband (vaccinated), has no symptoms at all, and is in fact enjoying his sick-leave.
Does someone close to us have to die, in order to realize the seriousness of the situation?
Does it have to happen to someone we know and love?
Just think about it for a minute.Real case, happening to some of my dearest relatives. My 2 sats worth. Take it as you will. |
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