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881  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Gewinnspiel: Neues Bitcoin (Jahres-)Tief in 2023 ? on: July 10, 2023, 02:54:28 PM
Schönes Gewinnspiel, vielen Dank Turbartuluk

Bitcointalk-Nutzername: Mauser

Niedrigster Bitcoin-Preis bis 31. Dezember 2023 um 23.59.59 UTC: $23,900
882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is more important for crypto users? on: July 10, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
Can you explain me why i need to learned gambling?

Simply put, here only millions of money are managed by asset owners, so where i have no money. In fact, i have ideas about gambling, but I don't have the ability to spend money there.

If you don't have any money than unfortunately gambling is not a good thing for you. One of the most important rules in gambling is to only use money that you can afford to lose. So if you don't have any money it's better for you to save and invest the few crypto coins you have at the moment. Maybe in the future after making good returns you can come back to gambling. If you still want to know what all this gambling hype is about, you can sign up at a casino for free and use play money to test their games. Just don't make the mistake to take out a loan to start gambling, that can lead to largr financial losses.
883  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why are you not hodling on: July 10, 2023, 12:59:27 PM

Now I want to know what really do you think is holding people back for hodling this period?
Please try to answer the poll and I hope to update the thread with result of the thread after getting enough results, possibly after the 5th page.

I can only answer for myself and what I heard from friends as the biggest problem at the moment that prevents us from investing more money. It's not having enough free money to spend, food prices and inflation in general have risen a lot in the last few years. Every month I have to spend more money on bills and other expenses, while my income is rising very slowly. I already make monthly bitcoin purchases, but they are very small and before my Christmas money I don't see how I can invest more. All my bitcoin additions this year are meant for hodling, right now doesn't seem like a good time to sell. Among my friends nobody sold bitcoin this year. Trading cryptos actively I am only doing with alt coins, bitcoin are still so far from their ATH that Hodl is the only option.
884  Economy / Economics / Re: does bitcoin help in your economy? on: July 10, 2023, 07:38:50 AM
there are many people investing in bitcoin, some are profitable and some are losing. and I believe bitcoin has a big advantage. The question is whether when you benefit from bitcoin, you can help your economy and your family?

Bitcoin definitely has huge advantages for people to become independent of fiat money and for companies to deal easier in international trade and payments. It also helped many people that invested early on into it to become rich. Unfortunately, I wasn't one of the early adopters of Bitcoin and only started out to really save in Bitcoin when the price was already above 10,000 USD. That is why I can’t help my economy or family. In case I would make a lot of money with crypto currencies then I would definitely give money to my family and help them, but right now I am still struggling myself. As for the economy, I am also not really helping that much because I only holding most of my coins and not using it for consumption or trading. When you spend your coins you generate sale taxes for the government, when you trade your coins you make profits and have to pay taxes on your profits. But when you leave your coins in your wallet without touching them, then there is no real benefit for the government. It's the same like having your savings at home in a vault, the money is not being used and doesn't give any return for the government.
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent on: July 10, 2023, 07:25:16 AM
Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops,  note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site,  so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.

Question is:

What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

I am a bit surprised that the gambler got a loan for 8x for the 1,000 he came with. In case the betting agent know the gambler well than the loan shouldn't be an issue, but also the gambler shouldn't have run away after losing all his money. And if they don't know each other than he should never give a loan to a stranger. The situation could have easily been avoided and given that it's only small amounts I think that it's going to be resolved. Why are you saying low-income earnings? It only takes the gambler 4 days of work to pay off his debt, that is not a lot. In my country people have to work month and years to pay of loans. I find it a bit strange that the gambler would run away for such a small amount. Would you really give up your job forever or work 4 days to pay your debt? In less than a week he would be debt free and now he lost his job. Also, the world is a small place and people meet each other at the most random locations again. Let's say the gambler needs a few weeks to find a job and then randomly the betting agent finds him again. In the end he still has to pay back his loan and lost a few weeks of salary for running away. It might take some time but the betting agent will get his money back in the end.
886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: would you play more on casino when your country plans to ban BTC? on: July 10, 2023, 07:14:55 AM
while your country plans to ban crypto trading but online gambling legal, you'll gonna to decide what to do with coins.  would you go play your coins to accumulate or just withdraw and wait for the government to change stance?  no other option.

That is a hard question to answer, because my country is so open that I can't really imagine how it would feel like if crypto currencies would get banned suddenly. In case this would happen today I would probably stop buying any new crypto currencies, but keep all my existing coins and hold them. I can understand that a government is afraid of crypto and doesn't want its citizens to buy too many coins, so that they rather stick to making transaction with fiat money. But what I can't understand is that the government would force me to sell all my crypto holdings. Luckily it would be hard to the government to check who holds cryptos and who doesn't. As for gambling with crypto currencies I would probably keep gambling with my existing bankroll and see how far I can go with it. When it comes to bans, they are usually not forever, because when in 4 years we are getting new elections, the new government might want to revert the ban on cryptos.
887  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do not limits your investment... on: July 10, 2023, 06:19:20 AM
I saw something on a friend of mine iPhone I was amazed, this guy has 3 pieces of bitcoin but he didn't look it when you look at him with mere eyes, I ask him how he has come this far, he told long ego he was seriously investing on all kinds of coins with little amount of bitcoin but then most of those coins help him to realized enough amount to buy more bitcoin because that was his primary target. He normally buys those zero value coins when they appreciates it will be enough money, and that's how he convert and swag all to bitcoin and today, he has 3 piece. Is good to be diversified in your investment, somedays something good will come out of one you don't expect.

That's a great success story, good job for your to amass so many bitcoin. For me such a goal is still so far away and I wonder if I can ever make it before becoming old. Having a well diversified alt coin portfolio and several bitcoin would be my dream. I think it's a good idea to not only put all our money into Bitcoin, but also to keep buying other coins. For your friend its where his success came from and I hope he is going to keep trading in the future. Having 3 bitcoin is great, but not enough to be financially independent. Another important concept of investing is to never stop, we should keep growing our portfolios and reinvest the profits. Only then we will achieve real independence and financial freedom.
888  Economy / Economics / Re: What will you do when you have Financial Freedom? on: July 09, 2023, 02:07:31 PM

Now my question in such a situation is when you already have financial freedom. then what are you going to do to enjoy your life and enjoy that financial freedom?


I have thought about this question quite a while already, even though I am not even close to financial freedom yet. Acquiring so much wealth that I don't have to worry about money anymore is longterm goal of me that seems unrealistic at the moment. Still I like to think about what I would do in such a scenario, we never know it's only one lottery win away. Probably the first thing I would do is to quite my job and look for a more fulfilling job. Without the burden to pay bills and other expenses, I wouldn't work for my current boss. Also I wouldn't work full time anymore, only working in the mornings and having the afternoon off would be great. I need to keep working to have a fixed lifestyle, otherwise I would sleep all day and waste my time doing nothing. Teaching children would probably be the best kind of job for me. Having some classes with kids that are interested in science and doing experiments to keep the class engaging would be good and keeps me motivated.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: July 09, 2023, 11:11:06 AM
Those who gamble daily are addicts and don't gamble for fun....

not all people who gamble daily are addicted to gambling, some people for example, in order not to be too stressed with the problems in their lives, play every day, but do not gamble with money, this can be seen in people, you you can even see that many people play on their cell phones every day, but do not put money in, now when a person starts to attend casinos every day then the situation is serious, even if it is an online casino, playing every day becomes dangerous but even even in that there are cases that make sense and that do not make the person addicted to gambling

for example, in the case of sports bettors, when in a week there are games every day, they are obliged to stay all day analyzing the games and placing bets, but these are rare cases because good games usually happen on weekends. people who play casino games are the ones who are most exposed and are playing every day and are more likely to become addicted to games of chance, in my country I see young people in restaurants playing snooker every day and they bet on who will win, the saddest thing is that at the end of the day it always ends in a fight because some do not accept defeat

I agree with you, someone who gambles daily doesn't need to be an addict. Same goes for someone who gambles only one time a week, he doesn't have to be an addict but can be one depending on his habits. We need to look more closely at the time spent at the casino and how much of his money he his betting. If you gamble every day for 15 minutes for 2-3 dollars, than I wouldn't call you an addict. Losing a few bucks won't change much for you and you seem to be on control over your bankroll. And someone who gambles only one time per week for several hours and loses all his monthly salary in a single day should be called an addict in my opinion. Another factor to determine if we are addicted to gambling should be if we can take a break from it without thinking about it constantly. There are more aspects to an addiction than how often we are at the casino. In sports betting it's true that we have times of big tournaments, where we have big games almost every day and then we have summer breaks where are no games for several weeks. It's more interesting how well you are doing during these break periods and if you will switch to some new sports you never followed before only to place some bets. There are detailed tests for gambling addictions and it shouldn't come down to how many times you visit a casino per week.
890  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I become a successful Bitcoin investor as a newbies? on: July 09, 2023, 07:31:18 AM
Remember the Past is Past
A mistake that many new investors make is looking at the past and extrapolating that to the future. Yes, Bitcoin used to be worth pennies, but now is worth much more, so investors look to the future, not to what an asset has done in the past. What will drive future returns, Traders buying a cryptocurrency today need tomorrow’s gains, not yesterday’s.


While it's true that the past is no guarantee for the future, I still find it the best guess we have today. When wondering what the price of a coin is going to be tomorrow, my first approach is to check the current price and the price one day ago. Observing the price at which exchanges traded a particular coin over the last several weeks is the basis for technical analysis. There are many trading indicators which rely on past data to try and identify trends that will keep running in the future. We can either believe in these trends or not, but if we don't believe it's hard to make consistent predictions of the future. For me technical analysis is a very important tool I have used many years now. I don't recommend to trust it blindly, but it can help new traders to build their own strategies. Just looking at the bitcoin price alone we can see that there are different cycles that change between bear and bull markets. Why not use indicators that help to identify these cycles.
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Healthy mindset to save earnings from gambling on: July 09, 2023, 07:09:25 AM
Usually, people who win in gambling but not able to cash out or save their winnings and I think this has something to do with a Healthy mindset.
If you do not have the intention to save the wealth, you will lose all your winnings by risking them again in another gambling bet.

Only a mentally strong person who has control over emotions and have money management skills would be the real winner here and will become rich eventually.


I agree with you, if people are unwilling to save some of their winnings it's a serious problem of their mindset and might come from unhealthy expectations or being too greedy. Everybody knows the excitment of winning in gambling and the rush of positive thoughts from our brain. At least for me my brain keeps telling me that there is no chance I am going to lose now and that I should keep on gambling. Not sure if this comes from our mind looking for patterns, or it's just our faith believing in us. Nonetheless we need to keep our emotions in check and don't give into such thinking. My approach to a big win is to take some of that money out and not add to my bankroll. If I don't withdraw some of my winnings the risk is too big that I will just keep gambling with it and eventually lose it again.  I don't know if the mindset alone will be enough to transform a poor person into a rich person, but it will definitely make things better in the longrun. What I agree with is that we need a strong mindset to at least keep the money we already have. Also having strong financial and money management skills are important to control our overall finances. It's not only our gambling balance we need to control, our whole monthly budget for living expenses and paying bills should be controlled in the same way.
892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: July 09, 2023, 06:48:20 AM
Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

First of all it's important to determine what a successful gambler is. For me it's a bit hard to answer such a general question, because there are different so many different types of gamblers. Is it someone who gamblers regularly and makes money from it? Does it have to be his main source of income? Or is just someone who was lucky one time and managed to win a big jackpot? So far I haven't met anybody who uses gambling as his main source of income. If I ever meet someone who gambles 5-6 times per week and makes good money from it then I would call him successful and not an addict. But how likely is this going to be? Casino games are designs so that the player losses longterm, I don't think anybody can constantly win against the casino and make a reliable source of income from it. So if someone gambles a few nights per week and manages to get lucky from time to time winning big jackpots then I would also call him successful. As long as he is in full control of his gambling habits and making money from it, I would call him successful and not an addict. The problem of addiction come when someone can't control himself anymore and his losses are accumulating rapidly without the chance to stop and step away from the casino.
893  Economy / Speculation / Re: If bitcoin will accepted worldwide for legal then price rising $100k?? on: July 09, 2023, 06:38:08 AM
If btc is legally accepted in all countries then huge number of investors will increase. and the use of btc in various fields will increase.

what is your opinion about this?

I don't think this is why Bitcoin is going to reach 100k USD soon, because all the countries that invested so much time and effort to ban crypto currencies are not going to change their mind so suddenly. First of all most countries still allow their citizens to invest in Bitcoins, there some crypto regulations but no outright bans. Which means that even all the world would allow free crypto investing, there wouldn't be a lot of new investors all of sudden. And secondly, I am sure that Bitcoin will manage to reach 100k USD in it's current form without many new investors, probably next year after the halving or in 2025 latest. Bitcoin can already be used in many cases and it's up to all off us to increase the use of cryptos in our daily life.   
894  Economy / Economics / Re: 85% of AI start-ups will fail within 3 years. on: July 09, 2023, 06:26:26 AM
This is an opinion piece. 85% of AI start-ups will fail within 3 years. Link to article. That's what they have said. But what do we think. We use the internet everyday and may even be using one or two AI tools to help us become organized, productive and efficient. Hundreds of AI start-ups are spring up everywhere everyday - while some are jumping in without due diligence some, some are doing it for the money while some others what to make an impact. The AI startups boom is compared to the dot-com bubble where a lot of them failed. Some AI start-ups are: Open AI, Frame AI, Jasper, Drafter AI, Smartly.ai.
What do you think, are we experiencing an AI startup boom like the dot-com bubble? And do you think that 85% of them will fail within 3 years?

I read an article on the weekend that analysed the last few earning calls of the biggest corporations and how often they would mention AI in it. They found that since 2021 there was a huge increase in focus on AI from all types of sectors like Financial Services, Pharmaceuticals, Tech Giants, etc. So we can already see today that most companies identified the great potential of AI and the need to be part of the change. What many companies are doing now is trying to setup teams to develop their own AIs and not take the AI from other companies. Which would make future acquisitions not so important if the knowledge of AI is already inhouse. It's interesting to see a lot of new companies focusing on AI, but I am not so sure in how much value they are going to bring to the table. When all the big companies develop their own AIs then the profit potential for these startups will be very limited and it could be very likely that we are seeing a big rise in bankruptcies over the next few years.
895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What attracted you to gambling?Share your experience whether good/bad. on: July 08, 2023, 01:01:44 PM
 Though I've had losses in gambling but I've never had such a sad one like he's, I was introduced to gambling by a coursemate in college who won a jackpot, thought I lost in my first three trials but played again and won about 80k in my local currency, there are people that's made millions through gambling and some others are yet to win but still find it difficult to quit, share your experience if you have any whether good or bad, cause I believe there are people here who would learn from it.

It's a long time ago when I first started gambling. Already as a young kid I have been interested in gambling due to two factors. The first one was my grandfather who played lottery and scratch cards all his life. He would take me with him to collect his winnings and place the new bets every Saturday. To keep me entertained he would always buy me 2 scratch cards. And the other factor was watching casino movies. When watching movies like oceans eleven or rounders I knew that when I will be 18 that I am going to visit casinos myself. Most of my friends back in the day felt the same and we would regular visit our home town casino. And then there was the poker boom in 2010/11 where a lot of small poker tournaments where being organized locally. In my country it's not allowed to gamble for money outside of casinos, so all the Poker tournaments where offering physical prices. It was a good way to win a new graphic card or monitor with limited downside.
896  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as an opportunity for the unbanked. on: July 08, 2023, 09:29:43 AM
I want to categorically tell this set of people that Bitcoin is the way forward for you, bitcoin works for everyone, and the system was designed in a way that every interested person can participate.
Bitcoin allows you to be your bank and be in charge of your money with no interference from anyone. Participation is dependent on your interest, not your identity, that's to say that everyone can be involved without their identity known. Note that blockchain technology guarantees your Bitcoin security, so don't be afraid just give it a trial but with a little money I believe you won't regret it.

In case you are one of the persons that store all their money at home in a big vault, you might be reluctant to transfer all your money into bitcoin. The upside of having fiat money at home is that you can see it, touch it and even when the whole world breaks down you will probably find other people that are willing to trade with you for that money. Making now the switch to a fully crypto wallet can be a hard step for people that are so used to using cash in their daily lives. I would recommend to not move too fast and rather slowly ease into the crypto community. Why not start with building a crypto portfolio with 10-15% of your wealth and slowly build it up over time. Bitcoins are a good currency to store value online, and its also a great opportunity to make some money longterm. But I wouldn't recommend to put all our money into one single asset class, better to spread it out and diversify in multiple different assets.
897  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why Not Just Buy BTC? on: July 08, 2023, 07:41:45 AM
I've seen over one dozen websites believing that BTC will skyrocket in the upcoming years.
The platform I use is Coinbase.
I'm thinking of just buying BTC-USD and just leaving it be.
Any thoughts on this strategy?



That is a very good strategy and if you don't have so much free time to trade actively it's the best approach for you. The so called HODL strategy has been one of the most profitable strategies since the launch of Bitcoin. The long term trend of Bitcoins is still upwards and any holder is going to profit from it. Without the need to constantly buy and sell our positions we also save on transaction fees. If you don't hold any Bitcoin yet I would definitely recommend you buy some coins today and just leave them for now. In case you are looking for more active trading opportunities I would recommend you look at the alt coin market and pick a few less popular coins to trade on the side. Then you can use any future profits to buy more bitcoins and grow you crypto portfolio. Or if you only want to focus on Bitcoins, then split your coins into two wallets. Make one longterm storage wallet where you keep 80% of your coins, and use another wallet for active trading with the remaining 20%. Here again you can active trades depending on the time you have and any profits you should keep adding to your HODL wallet.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Discussion - Being an Active Poster in the Gambling Board on: July 08, 2023, 07:29:40 AM
  • Has being an active participant in the gambling section helped you develop more effective strategies for winning bets?
  • Has it aided you in overcoming gambling addiction (if you were addicted) or developing healthier gambling habits?
  • Have you noticed an overall improvement in your gambling experiences?

These are interesting questions and it sheds a new light on the benefits of the forum here. First of all, I have never been addicted to gambling and I think the forum helped me a lot to keep my gambling habits in check. The many posts here on the forum about the topic of gambling addictions made me focus more on the issue and evaluate my own time and money spend at casinos and bookmakers. Without the forum I think that I would have been at risk to become addicted to gambling over the years. Thanks to the many advise here I am using fixed limits on my gambling budget to avoid the big risk of not stopping and chasing loses. For casino games the forum didn't change much of my experiences, because I am using the same strategies for a long period of time now. Also the games I enjoy the most are usually the same. I played Roulette, BlackJack and Poker ever since I started gambling at the age of 18. However, when it comes to sports betting the forum helped me a lot to make better strategies and focus more on a particular sport where I think that I have an edge. Another great advantage of the forum is that it brought me in the crypto casino community, where I found a lot of new casinos that offer good bonuses and easy ways to deposit and withdraw money. Without the forum here I would have not enjoyed online gambling the way I do now, as I would have probably stuck to only visiting physical casinos with my buddies.
899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: July 08, 2023, 07:16:03 AM
Today are some showmatches between top CSGO clans and some old school Legends. Faze is going to play a team of Legends in the SteelSeries CS2 matches. These games are mainly for entertainment as there special bounties for the players if they get a knife kill and only the Desert Eagle as weapon is allowed, but we can still bet on them. When it comes to showmatches I am always a bit afraid as the top team will likely not give 100% performance to make it seem more interesting. That is why I am only going to make a small bet on the Legends team. And then there is are two matches between NaVi and Vitality, where the two best players are going to switch teams. ZywOo  will play for NaVi and s1mple is going to play with Vitality which is going to make things more interesting. Again I am a bit afraid to bet any larger sums on these showmatches and will only make a small bet on Vitality, I think they have they have the better strategies at the moment. It's always only best of 1 games which makes it harder to predict a winner.
900  Economy / Economics / Re: less risk or big profit? on: July 08, 2023, 06:37:28 AM

I would try out the less risky steady investment, accumulate profit and reinvest in cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and some in other altcoins that is bigger profit than BTC. Even if I loose my coins while trying out altcoins, I won't feel it much.

That seems like the best approach I would try to do the same. If I had enough money to buy an apartment or house I would do it and rent it out or live in it myself. The rent income we can use for our crypto portfolio or use the money we save in not paying rent anymore. But we need to be careful to not invest too risky our money, because if we lose our coins then we could get in trouble later. There is a big difference between crypto investing and owning real estate, real estate needs maintenance to not break down. A tenant is not going to pay rent if there is a problem with heating, a hole in the roof or other issues. Our crypto portfolio is fine without any maintenance and we just hold it long term. Renovating a house can be very expensive and if we don't have any savings for it we could be forced to sell it. For me it would be best to have a mix of all assets so that we always something to fall back on and be secure against bigger issues like a damaged roof or broken heating.
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