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1101  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: humanity's dream to make a money on: May 01, 2023, 02:09:22 PM
It was humanity's dream to make a money without working ,the bitcoin miner can give u money  without work bitcoin, and all other digital currencies have achieved this dream as well.


Sorry but this concept is not going. If everybody only wants money without working for it than the economy is going to collapse. Let's say that only the people who really love their job will continue working and everybody else quits, hoping that crypto currencies and the government assistance programs will take of everything. Than we would all be in big trouble. A country can't function without money. Who would stand up in the middle to bake your bread, collect trash from the streets or cleans toilets. There are so many jobs that if we would money for free nobody would be doing it anymore. Also what me and making money for you? 5% per year? Or 100? It still comes down to how much capital you already own. Starting from 0 is very hard.
1102  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Never Expect Consistent Winnings From Gambling - A Lesson I Learnt. on: May 01, 2023, 07:12:03 AM
Long story short, 2 months after the whole winning spree, this guy lost everything back to casinos where he gambled on, he made gambling his day job, probably increased his bets so as to win more,  but as of today, this guy is joblessly roaming the streets, depend solely on friends to feed, as of yesterday when I overheard him discussing with some one I am also close to, he was asking to help him look for a Job, that what he planned didn't work out - what ever he planned that didn't work out, I don't know, but this is a lesson for us all to learn from.


Sorry to hear that your friend lost everything, but this doesn't come as a surprise to me. Gambling is not a profession that can be used a full time job in my opinion. We all know that casino games are designed in a way to guarantee the casino is making long term. The so called house edge can be found in almost every game and means that if the number of gamblers and games played is large enough the winnings will be close to the expected values, which are positive for the casino and negative for the gamblers. The randomness aspect of gambling of course means that there can be winning and losing streaks, but this is not going to be the norm. Also there is no real winning chance for most of the casino games, so we can't rely on gambling as consistent form of income. It's good that your friend is looking for a normal job again and tries to get life in order. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and will use gambling in the future as a form of entertainment and not as form to reliable income.
1103  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you stay updated on: May 01, 2023, 06:59:45 AM
How do you bet on such games? What are the things to be on the lookout for? Because I believe this is different from football ⚽, I also don't have access to satellite dish like my relative does, this is how he is able to get the best out of these sports.

what information can you give someone like me?

You can get all the information you need to make your mind about boxing or the UFC from the internet. I wish I could name you some websites that have a lot of statistics, but I am not so much into boxing or UFC. My main sports I follow and bet on is football and some esport games. It comes natural to me to stay informed and uptodate on the sport as I have played in the past myself and I always check the news about some changes. You are right that football is completely different from boxing. There is a huge league in football with many games every week. All the teams meet multiple times during a season, so you have constantly changing odds. And also it not only depends on your own performance to become the champion during a season, but also on the performance on the other teams. In boxing it's much simpler as you have less matches in a year and the big title fights is only between two people. Which also means that it's harder to stay uptodate on the boxing news as there will be much less coverage in the time between the fights.   
1104  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: April 30, 2023, 07:14:43 AM
Could this be a case of making someone pay for what they didn't eat or a case of double standard.

Bet as you can sustain and not allow your emotions have a better part of you.

Another crazy gambling related story. It always surprises me why people would bet so much money if they can't afford to lose it. By now everybody should know that there is no sure win when it comes gambling, we need to be prepared to lose our money if we gamble regularly. That is why the number one rule is to never gamble with money that we need in the near future. Trying to argue that there was a fraudulent transfer seems not very logical in today's time, we can follow any transfer and there will be records that show where the money went and for what it has been used. But still 7 years seems like a long prison sentence given that they both pleaded guilty. What I don't understand is that there is an option for a fine, does that mean they don't have to go to prison if they pay the fine?
1105  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: April 30, 2023, 06:59:29 AM
I want to say that in my opinion, it doesn't matter whether you're quickly getting attached to things or not ... It's really hard to tell. What matters is your monthly income, and that's what you can easily tell by looking at your paycheck. If it's too low, like less than $400 per month(or, it can be $1,000 per month in some places. It depends on where you live.), you shouldn't gamble at all, period. No excuses. If you want to make additional money through gambling, then you need to see a doctor, a good professional who is able to explain to you have much more chances to make additional money elsewhere rather than through gambling.
I think a sensible person would simply not do that since they should definitely have an idea that they can't actually gamble if they have a limited income that doesn't even allow them to have any savings and if they have any savings from the salary, they can't gamble and it's a sensible decision to save the money instead of gambling them away.

If someone is a responsible gambler, not addicted to it, and has an income that allows them to have some savings and still have some money to spare, they can use that to gamble and have some fun but they shouldn't aim to earn money with it, of course.

I would say that income doesn't really factor into if you are a responsible gambler or not, because even the highest monthly income can be gambled away if we try hard enough. Let's say you only have 100 USD free monthly to spend on yourself, or even less than that, than you could still gamble with it. There is nothing wrong with only placing small bets or play games that don't require too much money. A person that plays a few rounds of slots every week, or that spend 10 USD on scratch cards and the lottery is also a gambler in my eyes. Even though he doesn't spend much money in total, compared to his overall bankroll he is spending much. And if someone doesn't spend above his means than I would consider him a responsible gambler.  On the other side, if someone has 2000 USD every month free that he can spend on himself, but he gambles so much that he loses 4,000 USD then he is not a responsible gambler. It's all about staying within our means and keep our gambling expenses relative to our total bankroll.
1106  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: IS IT SAFE TO INVEST PENSION FUNDS IN BITCOIN? on: April 30, 2023, 06:37:17 AM

I spoke to a friend about Bitcoin and he asked if it is safe to invest Pension funds in Bitcoin considering the fact that this is a retirement saving. I am skeptical of investing people's funds in this coin because it can't be predicted also we cannot overlook the fact that Bitcoin may enhance investment returns at retirement.
However, my findings from people that work in these organizations say contributor's funds in some categories can be invested in risky investments because of the high return on investment and contributors have the option to opt for this option but with the exception of the soon-to-retiree.

That is not an easy answer we can give here. In general it makes sense to spread out investments across a broader spectrum of asset classes to reduce the overall risk profile of the portfolio. Diversification is the main concept insurance companies use to try and generate a steady income over time, while protecting the asset against downward risks. That is why the investment guidelines for pension funds are quite long and restrictive. For example, there are fixed percentages on how much the fund can put into stocks or hold in cash. And then are single stock limits the don't allow the fund to put more than 2-3% into one single stock. With so many restrictions I don't think that older pension funds are allowed to invest in crypto currencies. For more newer funds that have been created in the last 3-5 years there might be a small fraction of the capital be allowed in bitcoins and other crytpos.
1107  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading not a get rich quick on: April 30, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

As for trading, not that it is not a get rich quick, but you should use the money that you can afford to lose. The man may wanted to return that money, but crypto and meme stock trading  landed him in prison.


As a CFO your job is not really to invest the money of the company in stocks and cryptos. For that there is usually a chief investment officer (CIO) that has to trade within fixed guidelines with some form of oversight in place. The job of the CFO is rather that the company meets it's financial liabilities and following the regulatory requirements. The CFO clearly overstepped his boundaries and got punished for it. It doesn't matter that he wanted to repay the losses with future winnings, it's not how it works. Using the money that we can afford to lose is fine for a private person using his own money. But when you are using company money make sure that someone gave the okay for the trades. The CEO should have been involved in the decision making process to avoid any jail time.
1108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does Bitcoiner still support the use of centralized exchanges? on: April 30, 2023, 06:11:51 AM
I did some research on Bitcoin because I was interested in it, and I discovered that the key principles of Bitcoin are peer-to-peer, anonymity, pseudonymity, decentralization, and operating without a middleman to ensure that Bitcoiners can have financial freedom. However, despite knowing that Bitcoiners adhere to these tenets, why do some Bitcoiners act contrary to them? Why do they continue to support centralized exchanges, use them, and retain their Bitcoin there?

Bitcoins became quite popular in the last few years and attracted a lot of new investors. Especially institutional investors were looking at ways to quickly buy large quantities of crypto coins. Moving large sums of money peer to peer is much harder and requires a lot of work compared to a centralised exchanges. I think that for the average investor who is looking to buy a few hundred USD worth of Bitcoin it's fine to engage in decentralised transactions. But for any larger corporation the advantages are with a big exchange than can quickly process their trades. Even with the scandals we had in the past where an exchange got hacked, or scammed the user out of their money, it's still attractive for many investors. Personally I have uses centralised exchanges regularly in the past and think that security risk is not that big if we regularly withdraw our coins. It makes no sense to leave our funds at the exchange for a long period of time.
1109  Economy / Economics / Re: Look for what to invest, not what to eat on: April 30, 2023, 05:48:45 AM
Will you invest now or you will be like that person that is looking for what to eat? It will be favourable if you can change that attitude of selling what will make you great in future just because of what will survive you at the moment. No way you will invest in BTC today and you will not have something good to eat because, investment is like a seed planted in a due season to expect something good in the future. Is it a good thing to invest or is good to continue looking for what to eat?
What do you think.

Obviously food is more important than investing. What good does a big portfolio if we don't have enough money to buy food? Over the last 2 years food prices have risen a lot, we still face inflation rates of 8-10% today. That makes life very difficult for some families and I agree to focus on the essential things in life before investing. But once we have some spare money left at the end of the months we should definitely invest it. The high inflation makes sure that our cash and savings become worthless over time. The only way out of the inflation trap is to invest. Why not consider combining our need for food and investing. We could look for companies that produce and distribute food and would directly profit from the rising food prices. Or if we have some more money at hand we could look for buying some cheap farm land and rent it out to the local farmers. And instead of asking for monetary payments we could ask to get paid in produce. Getting access to healthy and fresh food became harder during the covid pandemic and will likely get even more expensive in the future.

1110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Maybe I should wait before owning my bitcoin on: April 29, 2023, 08:20:11 AM

The reading of Neutral has more vote of 10 than the Sell that has 6 and Buy that has 8.

I will let this be my guide, will wait till the Buy has the highest vote. Money investment need to be carefully planned. This is just my plan, you can advice or give it kudos.


First of all welcome to the forum and good luck to your crypto endeavours. This is quite a small sample sizes and you still have more people voting to buy rather than to sell, that is why I would recommend you to buy at least small part of bitcoins already with your salary this year. There is no strong conviction for any action at the moment, all we see from your picture is that people are unsure what the future is going to bring. And the best case in such a scenario is in my opinion to buy at least some coins. Let's say prices will rally in the near future (scenario 1) and you missed your window to buy, then you will feel terrible for not buying earlier. The second scenario would be that the prices are not changing any time soon, then it doesn't really matter if you are invested or not. And the third scenario would be that prices are falling, which is not such a bad situation either. Because as long as you are not selling your coins you are not losing any money and eventually the prices are going to rebound. It's hard to go for the perfect time to buy and sell our coins.
1111  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: April 29, 2023, 07:10:45 AM
This weekend is a CSGO online tournament - Brazy Party 2023 - is happening with some nice matches. It's a good opportunity to bet on some one sided matches. Unfortunately BIG my favourite German team is already out in the last place. The first match today is going to be GamerLegion vs ENCE, where ENCE is a much stronger team and should take that game easily. Then there will also be Astralis playing against SAW today which is going to be a good win for Astralis. The match Sprout vs Imperial is going to be much closer and I will probably not bet on it as it could go either way. With FalleN in the team I try not to bet against him, he has so much experience that he could turn around a game on a good day. And the last match of the day will be Cloud9 vs 9INE, which should be won by Cloud9, they played really well during the Rio IEM and are a stronger team if they don't choke again.
1112  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: April 29, 2023, 06:48:47 AM

What a crazy story, really sad that somebody would do such a thing to his own family. Even in the worst situation I would never consider hurting my family deliberately. I know that addictions are a terrible thing, but so far I haven't met anybody who was severely affected by a gambling addiction. Over the years I met quite a few people who are struggling with alcohol, drugs or tobacco addictions. But when it comes to gambling I know people who play every second day and might categorise as addicts, even though they would never use any money that they can't afford to lose. It's really hard to try and understand such a behaviour if haven't experienced addictions in such a form. Hopefully this doesn't lead to other people trying to copy it.
1113  Economy / Economics / Re: Is some certain lifestyle a waste of money and time ? on: April 29, 2023, 06:24:21 AM
Do you think my friends' lifestyle is a waste of money and time ? How much do you spend on such gatherings on average ? Please let me know.

When I was still in university this sounds like a normal evening, even though it was mostly fast food and cheap alcohol that I was focusing on with my mates. In my opinion it all depends on your situation in life. If you are single, have a decent job and make a lot of money, or if you are still young and want to enjoy life, then it's fine to go out often and spend a lot of money. But if you are married and have a family then it's not fine anymore to spend so much time and money for your own pleasure. Priorities change over time and we need put our family first. It's still fine to go out with friends from time to time, but this shouldn't be a regular occasion. It would also make more sense to meet at someones home instead of going out to save on the money. Even if we have the best paying job in the city we still shouldn't be spending so much going out.      
1114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which one is important? Knowledge or Experience? Or both in Bitcoin Learning! on: April 29, 2023, 06:11:40 AM
So in conclusion, if you are new and want to learn something about Bitcoin, ask the guy who has a lot of experience. Then it becomes knowledge to yourself. Then applying that knowledge and going through some trials and errors, you can gain the same experience. It is important to learn them both in my opinion. But you need to follow the path of what to do when. That way, I am sure success is guaranteed.

In my opinion it comes down to what you want to achieve with your bitcoins. Let's say you heard about bitcoin's a lot and only want to understand what everybody talks about then knowledge is the thing you are after. Buying a book about bitcoin's or reading several articles online will likely do the trick. The same goes for someone who is looking at bitcoins for long term investing. As a HODL investor it's more about the knowledge than experience as you are not going to sell your coins. Only if you are looking at actively trading bitcoins you really need the experience. As a short term trader it's all about the experience and not so much about knowledge anymore. Having some basic knowledge is sufficient if you already have trading experience. It's more important to handle stress well, not react to your emotions and keep making rational decisions. So any new beginner should learn towards his goal.
1115  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading Bitcoin in 1 Minute charts on: April 29, 2023, 05:53:39 AM
I'm brand new here, I just wondered if many people trade Crypto in the 1 Minute time zone? what is the preferred time zone, for most traders?

I don't think many people are using the 1 Minute time period when looking at prices. Maybe there are some very skilled intraday traders that can make it work, but for me this period is way too short. I am not a short term trader anymore and only look at daily prices these days. Anything shorter contains too much noice in my opinion and is not going to lead to clear trading signals. For my technical analysis I like to look at indicators based on 30, 60 and 90 days. It takes a longer period of prices to find trends that I want to trade on. Looking at 1 or 5 Minute data I would expect to find a new trend every hour. Now I am wondering how many trades someone would do every day following 1 minute charts.
1116  Economy / Economics / Re: How do feels losing money? on: April 29, 2023, 05:38:37 AM

I have not gotten myself this days. Do you feel down when such sudden hits happens to you?

When I first started out with investing a long time ago I was checking the prices constantly and always felt really bad when I saw red numbers. It took me several years to accept the fact that there will be bad weeks where our portfolio will drop in value, there is nothing we can do about it. It's part of the game, even the best traders have bad trades. That's why it's important to learn how to deal with losses. So far I only used money that I can afford to lose, which is probably why I never lost sleep over it. But if you experience physical pain over your trading positions than something is wrong and you need to change. My advice to you is don't put all your money into one asset. Better to spread it out over several different assets, than the chances are much higher not all investments will be in the red at the same time.
1117  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Politicians behind the development of gambling platform on: April 26, 2023, 07:52:53 AM
Do you think that government should have a rule or a law for election candidates not to have a franchise in any form of gambling, in fact, there are a lot of politicians who are operators of illegal small-town lotteries this is to accumulate funds they can use for election campaigns.

Personally I don't see a issue here as long as gambling is fully legalised and there are no advantages for politicians. As long as any person can open a casino and the gambling industry is regulated so that there are no scams it should be fine. A casino as a company as any other and shouldn't be penalised. It's like not allowing politicians to own a company that sells alcohol, tobacco or firearms. In case the politician uses his power to promote his business and limit the competition than of course it's wrong. I don't have anything against politicians owning companies, but there should be higher regulatory standards than for the average business owner. Maybe a special department that looks more closely on taxes, regulations and corporate governance for people in power could help to make people feel better about it.
1118  Economy / Gambling / Re: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? on: April 26, 2023, 07:42:05 AM
Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I can open the website, but I am only on my work cell phone today and don't really want to do any gambling related things from it. Tomorrow evening from home I can take a closer look. What I saw was that they offer some kind of N Dollars, no idea what that is. Are you only waging with playmoney here or can you make real profits? It doest matter if real money is involved or not, it's still gambling in my opinion. Same goes for playing poker with playmoney, or joining a lottery without paying for the ticket.
1119  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I am only trying to stay safe by gambling less on: April 25, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Famz, drop your opinion on this, would you categorize these two as gambling? Because the only winning factor from Bitcoin investment is to just buy low and wait for a high price, it's not the same with casinos. Am I not making sense? I will like to hear from you.

Obviously the two are not same and we can't compare profits from investing in bitcoins with profits from gambling at a casino. First of all casinos are private companies that offer games where we can make a profit if we are lucky. All the risk and rewards are known before and there is controlled environment where the games are being played. Everybody who is 18 can sign up at the casino and start gambling, but once we lost our money it's gone. There is no chance to recover our initial money, except if we deposit more money. Bitcoins are completely different, they are not being owned by one private company that sets an artifical price for it. Bitcoins are traded every day and the price moves and as long as we don't sell our coins we are not realising out losses. We can just hold our bitcoins and wait for the price to recover.
1120  Economy / Economics / Re: marry rich: marry fiat rich or crypto rich, which is better? on: April 25, 2023, 01:29:35 PM
So back to question. which is preferred? Married to fiat rich or crypto rich? Although crypto can be created at the comfort of your basement, also the value would plummet quickly to near zero too. Do you think in your life, you would ever see someone marry to crypto rich? btw recent news about ftx being rejected to sponsor a superstar due to it is unregistered tell me marry crypto rich might be a distance dream. Also there would be only 21m bitcoin existed, only 21m couples would be able to married rich. When there is billions of population, a lot of couples may not marry rich, due to unequal distribution, some of the crypto super rich would married hundreds of thousand more.

Interesting question, not that I have ever been in such a situation or will likely get into one. We can still dream can't we. If had two choose between the two I would probably prefer to pick fiat rich instead of crypto rich. Families who are rich with fiat money usually own a company or are majority shareholders in multiple companies. Marrying into such a family gives a lot of opportunities to make a career in their own company. The flexibilities with fiat money are much higher than with cryptos. We could easily sell a small part of the company and use the money to invest in cryptos. Vice versa it's much harder to sell your crypto portfolio and buy a successful business. Most profitable family businesses will never be sold publicly.
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