All he has to do is send the coins to localbitcoins, sell them there, for cash, and he is golden. Not rocket science.
You don't understand forensic computer science very well and so far the thief doesn't appear to either. This thief is moving a HUGE amount of mostly very traceable money. One little slip up with ALL that money, just one, and/or one little assist from those with a "grasp" on TOR and what not , and he is caught. It may happen now, in a few months, or even years. But, I'd say he is as good as caught. Its About Sharing I understand completely actually. He sends the btc to a localbtc address. There is no way that you know that the address he sends to is a localbtc address. All you know is that he sent the coins to another wallet. He sells for cash. Localbtc transfers coins to buyer. How are you going to trace him? You can keep following the coins, but you will be chasing the wrong person. First, there is a world of improvement needed for coin washing for starters. It is not quite there yet and when you are going to wash that many coins, which this guys hasn't done much of, you will still be able to follow them, just due to the amount. bryant.coleman mentioned one possibility and if you think it ends there, there are for sure more. I can think of a few ways but will not post them here. No sense in helping the thief. We are in the very early days and this guy has already left enough fingerprints imo that intelligence agencies (e.g. NSA) if they get involved, could probably already point him out. In a way, it is nice they didn't nab him as it give hope to other thieves. I just don't think this one or few guys are as smart as the mass of computer experts following him around. He is going to make a mistake and get nabbed is my educated guess. IAS
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All he has to do is send the coins to localbitcoins, sell them there, for cash, and he is golden. Not rocket science.
You don't understand forensic computer science very well and so far the thief doesn't appear to either. This thief is moving a HUGE amount of mostly very traceable money. One little slip up with ALL that money, just one, and/or one little assist from those with a "grasp" on TOR and what not , and he is caught. It may happen now, in a few months, or even years. But, I'd say he is as good as caught. Its About Sharing
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What happens if the thiefs convert their bitcoins into zerocoins? wouldn't that make it pretty much impossible to find then
The guys who receive the Bitcoins will try to exchange (at least some of) it for fiat, using an exchange. They will be caught there. Once they are caught, it won't take much time to find the guy who gave them the Bitcoins. (The exchanges need verification to a high level, to barter large amounts of coins, be it Bitstamp, or be it BTC-E). Agreed. It is just a matter of time. When you steal soooo many coins, soooo many people are watching the movements. And on top of that there are many Forensic guys that don't post here and are making it their pet project. So, you have a guy injecting hit .000666 btc into every transaction they can find and others following with or without that. Just a matter of time. They will slip up somewhere or a problem with the VPN, or just something unexpected...
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Interesting, I hadn't heard of them. They will ship end of May they say, probably more like June if they are lucky, but who knows. Great prices, I wonder what happens in this race.
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But we do not need to discuss theory. The MtGOX heist alone stole 5% of all the money in the bitcoin economy. There have been dozens, if not hundreds, of other heists; the total may be 10% of all the money. AFAIK, none of those thieves has been identified, much less caught; and none of those stolen coins were retrieved.
That is 10% of all the money in 5 years, which is 2% per year. Inflation alone steals 3-9% of our money every year.Try harder I wish more people understood this basic concept about our existing money system. People have "comfort" with some money in the bank but are blind to the theft of it via inflation. And when you mention to them that printing money devalues what they have, they rationally get it, but not at a deep enough level to actually act. The next level of discussion should be WAR. Once people understand, really understand that war happens as a DIRECT result of just printing money and becoming servants this debt they will take to the streets. Having war with a finite money supply means people would actually have to change their standard of living, as they would have less money. The existing system enslaves them and they know it not. At a very basic level, bitcoin is causing people to question money and with that, the veil is coming down. Its about sharing edit - It is a fair point that the Gox, SR, etc. coins that were stolen will become more valuable and hence have more power. But, that is outright theft. Our existing system hides that fact and makes it a part of business as usual.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Until China makes it illegal (which I don't think is their intention), they are essentially casting a Napster spell on bitcoin. Now, the innovations will be pushed even harder. Decentralized exchanges, local bitcoins, etc. here we come. How bad do they want their bitcoin?
IAS
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Please move this predictions to another thread
10000-100000; 0.1% 2000-10000; 0.9% 1500-2000; 1% 1300-1500; 2% 1100-1300; 3% 1000-1100; 4% 900-1000; 5% 800-900; 6% 700-800; 7% 600-700; 8% 500-600; 19% 400-500; 25% 250-400; 15% 0-250; 4%
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Great read. The thing is, this guy(s) just needs to make 1 mistake. It might not even be his mistake. e.g. The NSA gets their hands on the VPN provider, etc. and tracks him down. Even years later tech might come out to do better tracking and if ANYWHERE along the line he made 1 mistake, that could be the straw that breaks him.
I think it is a matter of time before we start seeing some big thieves get busted. Also, Forensic analysis and analysts are not posting and are following. I think the thief gets nabbed.
IAS
ps - Thief, if you are listening, just donate the bitcoins to wikileakes and other disruptive technology firms...
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No, we are going to be stuck at $400-$600 range for the next few months or longer. There is NO new development, no new buyers, no new nothing for the next few months or so. Even if there are, they will serve to siphon off the price, not add to it. Bitcoin has a strange habit of turning things around from normal expected outcome. What you expect to happen will not; if you expect price to rise because of something, it will do the opposite. This is bitcoin. It moves in myterious ways.
Have you looked at the size of the buys during this run from 350 to 500? There are some pretty large buys in there, like 500-1000 block buys. That is not really small change. I can't argue about Bitcoin being unexpected as it sure has fooled the best of us. But to think there is no development (when all the bitcoin 2.0 stuff is being worked on, the sidechain revelation, more businesses accepting it, more and more TV coverage, etc.) is not really honest. Let's watch the mysterious move, IAS
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Wow..there's people out there still dealing with these shonky operators?
Looking at their products page I notice it now says:
Viper (Scrypt) Miner (16Mh/s)
£405.00
30% Deposit Required: £405
So up until this point, I read this as the total cost of the unit = £405 though a 30% deposit is payable..but then we read further and it says:
Total price: £1350 (Excl. VAT) Remainder will need to be paid 8-10 weeks before shipment. Shipment will be extra, which shall be notified during final payment.
So now even their ads/webpage is misleading..lol
I wouldnt buy a crumpet from this bunch of con artists let alone a £1350 miner...
just wow...
Not only am I typing slow, but I'm gonna try to "point out" the idiocy in what people see when they read your posts.
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Well I think even if (it is yes) they have a big problems - they are trying to do their best!
I must say I believe they will recover somehow and no one will lose any coins there. That's what I believe - because I want to believe in it... As Vircurex was 1st exchange where I did registered ... and till this issue I was trading only @Vircurex ... and sometimes @Bter.
I liked Vircurex and at least it looks like they were honest. But until they show us their books, we will never know. Anyway, I just checked the volume there and it is mighty low. So, I don't see how they will pay back the missing BTC/LTC/etc. and that is too bad. I would go back to them but really, all of these exchanges need to have some form of industry wide security (e.g. - multisig, etc.) IAS
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Is something wrong with the site? I keep getting a Bad Gateway message....
Also, is there a way to download our trades to aid in doing our taxes?
Great site as usual, IAS
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I just want to add.
Those of you buying the 16mh/s machines are not in the same race as those buying the 100mh/s + devices.
IMHO your strategy should be to mine low diff altcoins and stay away from the higher market cap coins such as LTC, DGC, DOGE etc. You will be pulverized.
With that in mind you should be in no rush to take high risks on unproven, potential vaporware. A couple of months here or there will not dramatically affect your ROI.
Therefore, if I were in your position I would wait, see who delivers then buy a batch 2 device. You could then mine low diff coin, on a low power consuming machine, with little to no risk.
In hindsight I think I actually appreciate your posts. Nothing wrong with bringing balance and there are many reasons, as you have stated, in this space to do so. Regarding your point above, I wonder how to best go about this. For arguments sake, lets say Alpha Technology delivers before KNC Miner. (And I have one, or whomever has one) Will I have a substantial advantage over a miner with 20 video cards whose hash rate is about 16Mh/s? I think I probably would, due to energy costs. So, mining LTC might still be the best return. But, to your point, a couple of sub points: How would one go about selecting other coins to mine? Jumping around? (I don't think pool hopping works very well, unless the pool does it automatically. Morally, I wouldn't want to do that anyway.) With a lot of these rigs out there, couldn't some smaller coins just be destroyed by a large hashing power hitting them and then pulling out? Anyway, where I stand now is that BTC to me is the #1, LTC the #2 and DOGE I still won't touch as I think the number of shares make it more like government fiat potentially. What I am looking for is that number 3. I think a coin like Quark or Vert can be that. Something VERY ASIC resistant. There will be a lot of GPU's looking for coins in the next few months...
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As predicted, alpha is delivering inferior tech.
What did u expect when accountants are starting an asic company? Leave engineering work to engineers
As predicted? They are (should be) first to market with a powerful Scrypt ASIC machine. KNC Miner is late right now with their BTC Miners, so I wouldn't count on them to deliver the ASIC's before Alpha Tech. You do realize the engineering is being done by a notable engineering firm in India right? And all of the bright minds in history who didn't have so called qualifications, yet their companies turned into billion dollar companies. Come to think of it, many of the young Bitcoin companies fit that bill. If you want to hate, try to do a better job of it... Give credit where credit is due: Alpha Technologies is giving timely announcements. They are the first larger ASIC in this space. They just upped the Hashing Power by over 200%. They were the first company (I know of) to take partial down payments of app. 30%. They offer something that a lot more people can afford. 10k for a KNC Miner rig, whenever that is shipped, is waaaay beyond the budget of most people. Props to Alpha Tech - Keep it up Fiaz. Nothing is perfect but you have our support. And the experiment continues.
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I am guessing KNC will deliver closer to 500 mhs in the Titan and will pull a surprise on delivery dates too.
Sure that might hurt Alpha Tech customers (me!) but really it comes down to when they can deliver. The bigger question is, how will this impact GPU miners? I mean how much is going to be added to the network and then how much in GPU's subtracted? Does the difficulty go down? Do the owners of the network, so to speak change hands or just technology or Even though Alpha (in their newsletter from last night) said "At this point we would like to guarantee a minimum of 650 Mh/s for our second batch, this figure is just a preliminary minimum and it is more likely than not to be higher." it will come down to when KNC delivers. If they deliver around when Alpha delivers and Alpha doesn't once again up their customers a bit, they will all be out. Further, as we get closer to that roughly 2 month before delivery "pay the balance date" for Alpha Tech customers, if KNC says they are going to deliver in the beginning or mid July ALSO, do any of the Alpha customers go through with their order??? Alpha may want to up things again but not match, say the 16Mh/s miners to 25Mhs (and not 2.5X more as KNC has done). Hardware wise, it would just be upping the lower end Vipers to the higher end Vipers (original specs). So instead of KNC running things, Alpha Tech takes over this role. Man, this is more interesting than the bitcoin mining ASIC "competition".
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This is getting crazy, 100Mh/s to 250Mh/s? This might cause a huge drop in the difficulty as the day approaches and affect the price as well. A bit scary here. Perhaps we see a rush to coins like VERT and QUARK. Still, KNC has to deliver around the time of Alpha Technology for it to be a shocker. If it is 2 months later, then not a huge deal, but would still suck for Alpha Tech customers as they would only have 2 real months to mine, or whatever the lead advantage is. Will be interesting to see what Alpha Tech says now. I mean is what KNC is saying even possible? Is it so cheap for them to produce that they are essentially sending 2 machines to hurt companies like Alpha Tech??? The experiment continues IAS I was a Gen-1 Jupiter customer with KnC and while I already have an order with Alpha-T, I have more faith in KnC because they have an established track record. When I purchased my Jupiter, the promised spec was 300 Gh/s, when I received it, after subsequent performance enhancement announcements, it ran at 525 Gh/s. Their motto is under-promise, over-deliver. It would not surprise me if their finished product ran at 300 Mh/s after further optimization. The problem now is where to come up with the $10k. I can't play the mining game anymore. This is my last venture. Would be nice if KNC Miner made a $1000 miner, but why when they sell the 10k miners? Decentralization imo. I really see VERT and/or Quark like coins starting to move as all those GPU's will find new homes. Also, Doge will be affected by this. I still don't like it since it is so inflated relatively speaking.
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This is getting crazy, 100Mh/s to 250Mh/s? This might cause a huge drop in the difficulty as the day approaches and affect the price as well. A bit scary here. Perhaps we see a rush to coins like VERT and QUARK. Still, KNC has to deliver around the time of Alpha Technology for it to be a shocker. If it is 2 months later, then not a huge deal, but would still suck for Alpha Tech customers as they would only have 2 real months to mine, or whatever the lead advantage is. Will be interesting to see what Alpha Tech says now. I mean is what KNC is saying even possible? Is it so cheap for them to produce that they are essentially sending 2 machines to hurt companies like Alpha Tech??? The experiment continues IAS
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I tried to withdraw 1.5m DOGE yesterday and it failed. It got deducted from my balance but the account history shows it with no TrxID and nothing on the blockchain. Sent them a support mail. Anyone know if they ever respond to emails?
Sorry to hear that. I sent an email to them last week as I mentioned, before their announcement, and they never replied. Before that, I think I got 1 reply (days later) out of 3 emails.
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Just checked the spreads (as another mentioned) on Vircurex and Cryptsy. Nothing shocking, but sad. Note the LTC inversion relative to the others rise. Coin Cryptsy VircurexLTC .027 .020 DOGE 0.00000115 0.00000164 VERT .0032 0.00453000 Like 30% ish just by eying it. Memories of Gox.
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Looks like Vircurex would have done better with some financial backing rather than this plan. Perhaps they tried to get some? The problem now is people are probably not going to trade there much, unless the alternatives disappear.
Too bad, was a nice exchange though they rarely got back to me when I had questions (at least not timely when they did.)
This brings up the point of insurance, which is probably going to raise trading fees. I really wonder what is going to come of all this. In the end we will probably have the security of many large stock exchanges in the end, but till we get there...
Interesting in that 4 days ago I bought some LTC there and couldn't get them out as the wallet was offline (said the message). After the Goxing I was a bit on edge, but decided to give it till morning. I also emailed Vircurex but as expected they never go back to me. A friend also mentioned the Goxing! Still couldn't withdraw the LTC in the morning and just to be safe I sold them and prayed I would be able to withdraw the BTC. I could and transferred them to Cryptsy to buy the LTC. I took a very small hit. Feel bad for all involved though.
This has been a great and rough ride fellas. The BFL saga (I was affected), the mining saga in general (ditto), the exchange hacks (ditto) and on and on.
IAS
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