Bytecoin takes time to develop as well as perfection i still believe bytecoin will be rolling $ 50 mark
183,253,534,611 * $50 = $9,162,676,730,550 I'm guessing you mean total market cap and not per coin--though the dollar could go Zimbabwe or pre-WWII Germany. |
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As far as the corp accounts of Zech--that's a matter for the shareholders to determine. Accounts like coinshop, which are game function accounts, are waiting for someone who is qualified to apply.
IMO the admins who seized/locked his accounts should appoint a trustee or wealth manager (paid out of the accounts on the customary scale) who can at least vote his corp shares (and once the game restarts generally manage the assets to protect their value). The corps themselves don't need special treatment; shareholders can vote to hire managers. No one has volunteered to appoint. Also, it seems the actual holders would be better suited to choose as I'm likely to appoint anyone who volunteers. TBH, it would probably be easiest for shareholders to move on as if risto's shares don't exist. I'm more than happy to give them access to the account as soon as they are ready. |
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As far as the corp accounts of Zech--that's a matter for the shareholders to determine. Accounts like coinshop, which are game function accounts, are waiting for someone who is qualified to apply.
Let's use NewCorp as an example since it owns so much land, which will probably still remain in the event of a game relaunch. Here is a current top 5 ownership: 1. ZECHARIAH : 15,000 2. SOUL : 5,000 3. LOAF : 4,100 4. NEWCORP : 4,099 5. LITTLEFLOCK : 3,800 So right there, aside from me, you have almost 70% ownership in the top 5 that is in Zech-controlled accounts. Many other corporations, such as bank, are in a similar situation. In regards to our M/CKM token, do we want to try to have 8 digits past the decimal place? 8 digits past the decimal seems pretty universal among exchanges and I couldn't find one that worked with more or less digits. Even for something like XMR, which has more, it looks like the sites truncate them. If we went with 8 satoshi units (what the hell are these called anyone in a more generic sense?), 1 quadrillion in-game M/CKM is only 10 mil "full" units with 8 digits: 1,000,000,0.00,000,000 OR 10,000,000.00000000 It's not for the game or board or town to run corporations, and personally, I don't want the added hassle--so figure it out or don't. As far as the coin, I'm good with iluvbitcoin's ck millions idea--it fits the game play, fixes the exchange problem and is easy to explain. |
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So far the only viable plan was hinted at by speed, though I'm waiting to hear more specifics and see the outline. TBH his figure of $20,000 to get things started seems low, but that may be due to risto's "give it away, give it away now!" policy of uber expensive hype without substance.
As far as the corp accounts of Zech--that's a matter for the shareholders to determine. Accounts like coinshop, which are game function accounts, are waiting for someone who is qualified to apply.
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PJ said CKM deposit option should be done in 2-3 days.
I wish Mooo had put an SGC bet on this. |
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I'm looking more into the stuff with codes already existing, rebuilding the whole system from ground up wouldn't be an easy task in the given time and resources. Thanks for the references, I'll look at them when I'm back from work. Monero is based on the cryptonote protocol and is specifically a fork of bytecoin: https://cryptonote.org |
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I've dealt with loaf a lot over the months and Speed or iluvbitcoins would be a better choice by far--smooth would also, but I know he won't volunteer due to the time commitment. Though Sirjacket is still better choice in abstention.
We should have a CEO as I think there are too many agendas and one person should represent the game and be responsible for its vision.
Maybe we have an election, I am not a candidate, so I could help with that. A CEO is a good idea too, the Board sets goals & objectives, and the CEO implements strategies & tactics to achieve them. ATM I think it should be admin based as they are the ones who have to implement the work load that is being decided by the board. Now when there is an actual Dev fund to pay the admin, then that would be the time to have votes (as flaky half baked ideas would just be cash cows for admin and not a reason to quit--who knows, Sysky may even come back then). |
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There is a "board" but aside from HMC and Mooo, I do not see SirJacket on the game anymore at all. HMC retains decent M ownership (roughly 100bil), as does Mooo (~25 bil), but SirJacket barely has 1bil M. Voting should be based on the level of CKO ownership, or people should at least be able to assign proxies (which can be done in these tokens) to vote for them. Of course, if we give Town 60% of the game, voting may be a moot point  Ideally board membership should be based on a combination of economic stake in the Game and activity level, if SirJacket needs to be replaced for either of these reasons then now is the time to do it, while important decisions are being made. I would prefer 5 board members to 3, but either way, we need a full compliment asap. If SirJacket is not available anymore, then I would nominate Loaf to be his replacement. If a 5 member board was more desirable, then I would also nominate smooth & iluvbitcoins. Of all the things that need doing, this might be the most important to get right, a well functioning Board. I've dealt with loaf a lot over the months and Speed or iluvbitcoins would be a better choice by far--smooth would also, but I know he won't volunteer due to the time commitment. Though Sirjacket is still better choice in abstention. We should have a CEO as I think there are too many agendas and one person should represent the game and be responsible for its vision. |
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edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else
Yes, we were discussing on IRC newcorp which is part of his assets, though it wasn't immediately clear to me whether he is a majority shareholder or not. My suggestion was for the town to appoint a paid trustee to manage newcorp on behalf of the shareholders (probably with the choice of trustee approved by other shareholders). Appointing one to manage his assets more broadly is also likely appropriate. If nothing else, protecting the value those accounts with reasonable administration will maximize probability and magnitude of the recovery to his victims. A good administrator would be better than leaving them idle, and it would give someone an opportunity to build some in-game wealth from the fees. He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players.
Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too.
That's a good point, if Risto was given his accounts back it should be on the strict understanding that he gets one chance only, and if he obviously starts creating problems that need reversing then he's banned. He might not want to agree to such conditions, so maybe this discussion is pointless anyway, but a 'rational' person would 'play' the accounts to maximise their value. I would be prepared to give him a chance if he was interested, but I wouldn't be cleaning up any mess either ... maybe Risto will add his thoughts. I would like to see a 'rational' risto controlling his accounts trying to max his account value, it would be good for the Game. He was given that opportunity before with the Zechsdick char and all he did was cause trouble. If you have a kid who is a drug addict, it is better to sooner (rather than later when they overdose), to acknowledge that they've changed and the person who was your son or daughter simply doesn't exist due to the chemicals restructuring their brain. I hope risto gets help with whatever is troubling him, BUT I'm not going to help enable his behavior, especially when it shits all over most everyone else. Though I'm sure some who made huge profits on his last game bender, and didn't have any cleanup to do, will be anxious for him to return in all his catch/dump glory. And here's a hint for all those watching: If your solution adds to the admin workload or depends on PJ "Just Doing It," I'm going to stand against it unless the benefits can be rationally validated as more beneficial to the admin themselves in payouts or in the delays sure to follow in anything associated with PJ. There are costs in time and work that the Dev fund no longer pays. Bad enough i'm paying myself out of my own invested and diluted funds. On IRC I see that Speed has a plan that pays for itself--that's what we need more of. Not "let's just give risto his account back and hope the admin will fix it before he leaves with more funds." |
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I believe there's enough reason to give Risto the benefit of the doubt, that his bad decision making was due to extreme stress induced by his personal situation, substance abuse, bad influences, genetic pre-disposition to mental health problems. Not everyone might agree, but IMO good people can lose it mentally, and do really stupid things, even act dishonestly, but later can regain their true 'character'. I'm nearly 50, and in my life I've seen good people fall down into bad behaviour many times, and some stay there, and some manage to get back up. Those who get back up sometimes need a helping hand, and some understanding. None of us are black or white, we're mostly grey.
He may need a helping hand in life, and probably most if not all of us would be happy to do that. He does not need a helping hand in paying his debts, as he has posted a screen shot of a polo account containing millions in cryptocurrency, and claimed tens of millions more in other wealth. His actions, not only then, when perhaps under stress for personal reasons, but also now given time to reflect, amount to telling us to fuck off and continuing to blame and insult his victims. Yes, he fucked up, but he can well afford to cover his mistake, far better I might add, than most of those scammed by him. After that, and even better after repayment and a sincere apology for harm done, sure, give him help, second changes, etc. Meanwhile, if people now invest time and money into developing the game into something far more valuable, his in-game assets will easily be worth enough to repay the debts in full, along with appropriate interest and penalties. Sure, some creditors may wish to negotiate a settlement given the possibility that effort at increasing the value of the game might not be unsuccessful. That is their prerogative, and Risto may or may not cooperate in such a negotiation. The effort to develop the game can proceed in either case; his participation at this immediate juncture is neither necessary nor obviously (given his recent behavior) a net positive.Nothing I really disagree with above, although I see a lot of Risto's behaviour as surface level bravado, hiding a deeply wounded and damaged person underneath. I do think Risto controlling his Game accounts now would make things much more interesting for the rest of us though. He can't withdraw any funds, and without admin access he can't do any damage either, but he could use his ~50% ownership to make the Game much more fun and dynamic. So far CK has been pretty technical, and the only battles have been with non-playing entities in other lands, so there's been no point for players to build armies. If Risto was able to control his accounts then I'd say there would be a good chance we'd see some real battles, and with a neutral GM, that would make things pretty cool, and the outbreak of 'war' would be a great promo for any ICO. At the moment with the economic engine stalled, and the health challenge optional there isn't a lot of interest factor for new players, so even if Risto just plays the 'bad guy' and builds an army and picks fights with his 'enemies', that's more interesting than what we currently have. edit: another option is to appoint a proxy for Risto's accounts, IMO his 50% is too large to sit idle, someone needs to activate these accounts, either Risto or someone else He would likely did what he did before and create huge dump and catch orders and fuck with the game's commands--though just selling stuff cheap or hugely overpaying to fake accounts he owns would be an easy way to retake his assets--though he'd likely have to do it for real players to avoid detection. And while it is reversible it will make angry players when their "deal of a lifetime" is revoked by admin--personally I don't want to deal with the workload or rightfully angry players. Though giving away the only leverage we have is pretty stupid too. As for the 10% to Town--I was fine with that when I added it to the Bounty (as per smooth's brilliant suggestion), before Loaf and iluvbitcoins shot it down--nice to see they get it now. |
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What if CKM was actually Crypto Kingdom Million?
Every CKM would be 1 million Markka ingame
That would work. It highlights that part of play and keeps the in-game supply the same. Well, that was simple  We need to brainstorm more xD Also, thanks for sticking up for the gameplay. If there is 4 trillion Markka right now, dividing it would yield 4 million CKM. A reasonable amount and pretty easy to deal with Do you guys agree on this or think there should be a further adjustment of the supply?  |
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Three characters' possessions have now been sweeped to a holding account:
sando and krissu for massive abuse of the starting CAN, by creating dozens of throwaway accounts to farm CAN
asmodian for exploiting a bug in the jewel editor and selling the resulting new gold, etc
I'm not sure WHY you are posting this over and over or why you need a noob account? |
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One of the points of the game is you get to roleplay as High-roller--I don't think I get to be a millionaire in fiat unless the game retains those aspects.
What if CKM was actually Crypto Kingdom Million? Every CKM would be 1 million Markka ingame One of the points of the game is you get to roleplay as High-roller--I don't think I get to be a millionaire in fiat unless the game retains those aspects.
What if CKM was actually Crypto Kingdom Million? Every CKM would be 1 million Markka ingame That would work. It highlights that part of play and keeps the in-game supply the same. |
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I believe the coin should be designed for the game first, and for investor's perceptions second--I want a game were I'm a Billionaire, not a mBillionaire--so cut it to 400Billion, but anything under that and I'm invading someone and taking their shit.
EDIT: you could actually cut it to 100Billion and I'd still be a Billionaire, so that is the cutoff for the Bounty.
We'd still be in the top coins with the biggest supply, can we meet the demand dogecoin and byteball have? Even if we do we'd still have issues. Exchanges won't do the thing we do on CryptoKingdom.me, they won't show prices in millions, they'll show it in units and that's an extreme turn off. The huge supply could be an issue as he pointed out, because the price on exchanges will be extremely low. That makes it difficult to trade when the spread is between 0.00000001 and 0.00000002 or even 0.00000000 to 0.00000001. In the former case the spread is enormous in percentage terms and in the latter case there is no bid because no one is willing to pay even one satoshi for a single M.
Another coin with a similar issue (Dashcoin; not Dash) but with not even as large a supply went with a 10000-1 reverse split specifically for this reason This needs to be taken into account. Wouldn't you like more to be a millionaire in FIAT terms than in a big supply coin? One of the points of the game is you get to roleplay as High-roller--I don't think I get to be a millionaire in fiat unless the game retains those aspects. |
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NO. Micro transactions should be an objective and I don't want to pay 0.00000000000400 for CAN.
Bytecoin and Dogecoin are currently the coins with the biggest supply They have 130 and 110 billions coins, we have 4 trillion And their value is 0.00000029 BTC µCKM is always an option and there's plenty of units for doing so ingame and easy trade  I believe the coin should be designed for the game first, and for investor's perceptions second--I want a game were I'm a Billionaire, not a mBillionaire--so cut it to 400Billion, but anything under that and I'm invading someone and taking their shit. EDIT: you could actually cut it to 100Billion and I'd still be a Billionaire, so that is the cutoff for the Bounty. |
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Another problem is that what is going to happen with leftover E1 and B1 now? They should be transformed into Markka or M3.
My opinion is the debt will be settled with the sale of Ristos ingame assets after the game goes to the next level. The decimal places maybe not, they can just be rounded down and people told not to deposit fractional amounts or they'll be lost (can be kept by the treasurer or donated to Town). The huge supply could be an issue as he pointed out, because the price on exchanges will be extremely low. That makes it difficult to trade when the spread is between 0.00000001 and 0.00000002 or even 0.00000000 to 0.00000001. In the former case the spread is enormous in percentage terms and in the latter case there is no bid because no one is willing to pay even one satoshi for a single M.
Another coin with a similar issue (Dashcoin; not Dash) but with not even as large a supply went with a 10000-1 reverse split specifically for this reason.
I would go for at least 1 quadrillion M with 1 "satoshi" = 1 M. So that is 1000000.00000000 or, with commas, 1,000,000,0.00,000,000. This way you don't have to worry about the decimal values being "lost" and also with 1mil "full" coins, you have a decent level of scarcity where you may be able to trade at a reasonable level. You could even go into the tens or hundreds of millions in "full" coins if needed and still be okay, but then you are talking about tens or hundreds of quadrillions of in-game currency. Like I have absolutely no idea about this coin, but just was glancing on the top 100 of CMC for something I didn't know. NoLimitCoin: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nolimitcoin/#markets. 200mil outstanding, $35mil market cap, and roughly $0.17 per coin value. If we went with the same amount of coins, that is only 20,000,000,0.00,000,000 or 20 quadrillion currency units. Not saying 20 quadrillion is the place to be, but it is just an example and honestly the number of coins outstanding should be discussed. I don't see a problem with the decimal units, as it's even good for us if people deposit the fractions since they'll be a bonus for the Town. The supply however, yes. Hmm, I think it would even be more beneficial to pick a low supply, it's a better marketing strategy, you're easier to hit the eye and get people to notice you when one CKM is worth a 100$ than 0.000001$. Also, you might be interested in dogecoin or bytecoin but as soon as you see 0.0000001 BTC you don't even want to count the zeroes and as it's stated you won't even notice a 1000% rise in value. Because of this purpose I was thinking 40k, only issue I saw is it would be harder trading ingame typing . after everything But this is so easly circumvented as it happened in bitcoin, there are always units as micro, mini etc. mCKM should become a thing ingame if its value rises extremely For me it seems advanteges of the low supply outweigh those of the high supply as in marketing terms and ease of use I would like to se 40 000 CKM with a shitload of decimal spots for growing purposes and that's it Perhaps 400k would be the best, it wouldn't be seen as extremely scarce, but it would be rare NO. Micro transactions should be an objective and I don't want to pay 0.00000000000400 for CAN. |
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Okay, so you just went ahead and launched a token with 18 decimals? So there are 4000000000000.000000000000000000 coins? What are we going to do with all those decimal/fractional units? And, better yet, we won't even be able to trade at 1 satoshi or even 1 litoshi with 4 trillion coins outstanding. Fucking hell  I outlined how we could have 40k - 1mil coins outstanding and a 1:1 relationship for any decimal units.
Seems loaf has the utmost faith or why else would he push so hard for an asset that depended on PJ to help with the implementation, right?
Anyway...you won the darkside award with your well timed post ;P
I push hard for an asset as it is fucking stupid to be running a crypto game without a crypto token. Anyway, I have zero faith in PJ and think he has been massively overpaid for the quantity (i.e., minimal) as well as quality (i.e., horseshit) of development he has done. But since everyone raided the game for XMR and doesn't want to try to raise funds or hunt for a new developer, it looks like we just have Stockholm Syndrome and will keep using this same piss developer. I'm hoping your wrong and this goes off without a hitch, but hard to have hope when the very person who interrupted the CKG bounty to push for his agenda, doesn't even have faith in an integral part of a successful implementation of his plan. |
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Although the total supply is 3,999,999,999,706, I have created 4,000,000,000,000 CKM for rounding up purposes The New 294 CKM will go to Town (I don't see why anyone would object to this?) Crypto Kingdom Markka token is live https://etherscan.io/token/0x9d0446b368a23d03b398ffa87a2978abd7af635aI am currently in contact with PJ for setting up automatic deposit options for CKM. After which I will start contacting exchanges about the launch of CKM! I'm impressed how quickly you put this together  |
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I have contacted PJ to ask whether or not he'll be able to create the pathway for automatic deposits/withdrawals of the token, his answer was affirmitive.
If that's okay, I believe we should proceed with the Crypto Kingdom Markka tokenization?
Just need SirJacket or Mooo to chime in to make it official. Obviously, it's a yes from me. I'm OK with this. Not super confident for an adequate implementation, but let's see. Seems loaf has the utmost faith or why else would he push so hard for an asset that depended on PJ to help with the implementation, right? Anyway...you won the darkside award with your well timed post ;P |
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