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941  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Concerns on new covid variants. on: November 30, 2021, 03:44:11 PM
the announcement of the new variant was almost like a Hollywood showing, where the "experts" were boisterous about revealing the latest and greatest variant. The media, as per their usual task, push fear amongst the unsuspecting population.

None of these geniuses want to ask the real questions -- where is the data that this variant is anymore lethal than previous variants. The answer is that data is nonexistent.


I wasn't aware that anyone had said it was more lethal. Everything I've read suggests that it is a variant of concern because of the types of mutations involved, and the fact that case numbers appear to be escalating rapidly. Early anecdotal evidence suggests that transmissibility might be higher, but symptoms may be milder. But we certainly don't know for sure yet. Similarly there is no evidence yet, as far as I'm aware, that it can evade the vaccines. But it's a variant that might potentially be troublesome, and so it's being investigated.

Having said that, I do stay aware from the more hysterical new sources, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the usual outlets were screaming about the end of the world, just to generate some interest.
942  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: November 29, 2021, 07:29:12 PM
I'm fairly confident that Djokovic won't play in Australia. It would seem entirely unfitting to his character to take the vaccine, even if it means missing the chance of slam #21.

There's also been an interview with his father today, that seems to back this position:

According to news website, B92, Srdjan Djokovic said: "As far as vaccines and non-vaccines are concerned, it is the personal right of each of us whether we will be vaccinated or not.
"No one has the right to enter into our intimacy.
"Under these blackmails and conditions, (Djokovic) probably won't (play).
"I wouldn't do that. And he's my son, so you decide for yourself."
943  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Concerns on new covid variants. on: November 29, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
This thing really is falling apart. Article from February talking about the South African variant.

That's the Beta variant, not Omicron.
They're allowed more than one variant per country, you know. FFS.
944  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell on: November 29, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
The prosecution has to have a mountain of evidence against this person, should be a quick and easy case. In fact, her defense team was arguing that jurors could not be neutral because they would have disdain and bias against Maxwell because she's rich....funny, because you would think someone would have that sort of bias because she is involved in trafficking of children. But sure, I guess it's because she's rich.

It's probably more that rich people are used to getting away with whatever they like, tax evasion is most common, but any other illegal activity, too. (Isn't that right, Prince Andrew?)
So they view the prospect of a trial by jury to be unfair... because impartial is unfair, as it removes their inbuilt immunity.

I think it's not so much that the jury would be biased against the rich, the objection is more that they aren't biased towards the rich.
945  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Concerns on new covid variants. on: November 29, 2021, 07:03:20 PM
New concern - With the discovery of new variants of Covid from the "Delta variant" to now "Omicron" which is another deadly variant forcing countries like Japan and Israel to now impose new travel restrictions, I'm beginning to wonder if this pandemic is ever going to end. As for the persons who have been vaccinated, are they completely free from the threat of Covid and whatever new variant that will emerge, or more vaccine jabs will be needed?
Viruses evolve, like anything else. The more cases of Covid there are, the more new variants will emerge. Some may have mutations that mean the current generation of vaccines don't work quite so well. The main issue is that there are still large clusters of unvaccinated people, partly the anti-vaxxer crowd in developed nations, but more importantly in the global south, where vaccines are difficult to come by and vaccination levels very low. This is why there has been a push from some people in developed nations to share the vaccines more equitably with poorer nations. The developed nations have largely failed to do this, which means Covid continues to circulate at high levels in poorer nations, which in turn means the virus has more chance to mutate into viable new variants. It's no coincidence that the new Omicron variant arose in unvaccinated South Africa.

The encouraging news is that the hardest work has already been done - the creation of the initial vaccines. It will be relatively quick to modify these to counter Omicron, if necessary. But so long as there are large unvaccinated areas, we can expect new variants to arise quite frequently.



plandemic
I've met certain people before who, when you attempt to engage them in a political discussion, respond in stock words, phrases and cliches. You realise that they are not thinking, but simply regurgitating some breathless tabloid/clickbait headline they've read somewhere. The best course of action when encountering these people is to simply move on; you're unlikely to be able to cause them to question their own opinions, because they don't actually have their own opinions. Nevertheless, their repeated use of certain keywords is a useful flag, by which they can be identified.
946  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the vaccine for? on: November 28, 2021, 04:39:25 PM
Why should I spend any time trying to get the concept of 'selective pressure' across to you?  It's doubtful that you could understand it, and even if you could, what's the point?

There's no need to explain; I understand the concept of selection pressures perfectly well. And it is of course entirely reasonable to assume that a vaccine might apply some selection pressure, this is not in dispute.

But you are demonstrating some quite profound cognitive dissonance. You say that the vaccines don't work, and they also apply selection pressure to the virus. So which is it? You can't have it both ways. If the vaccine doesn't work, then there is no need for the virus to mutate to get around its defences. A vaccine will only apply selection pressure if it is effective. In which case, what's your argument? That vaccines are great, but not 100% effective, therefore we shouldn't use them?  Roll Eyes

The other thing it seems you are implying - but correct me if I'm wrong - is that the Covid vaccines are applying selection pressure to cause the virus to mutate, but viral mutation in people who haven't had the vaccine either doesn't occur, or else does occur but is insignificant and not of concern. This conclusion is illogical, and goes against the evidence. Particularly when we consider that the worst variant we have seen so far, Delta, arose prior to the vaccine programmes starting.
947  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the vaccine for? on: November 28, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
Nobel price winner would know a thing or two about viruses if he discovered one
A year old or so, he said it multiple times, made it very clear
https://www.vaccinedeaths.com/2021-05-25-everyone-vaccinated-will-die-within-two-years.html

He's come out with some stupid things about vaccines, yes, but this is not one of them. Even one of your far-right Christian nut-job websites concedes as much:
https://rairfoundation.com/alert-luc-montagnier-did-not-say-vaccine-would-kill-people-in-two-years-heres-what-he-did-say-video/

He didn't say "the more you vaccinate the more variants you will have", but I'll agree that he has some weird and utterly unfounded ideas that the current variants are related to the vaccine, despite the inconvenient fact that they arose prior to the start of the vaccination programme... oops!

He's also a believer in homeopathy, which should tell you all that you need to know. Maybe he was a competent scientist once, but things may have changed somewhat since then. Perhaps he should take Trump's famous dementia test?
948  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ English Premier League Season: 2021/2022 on: November 28, 2021, 08:00:16 AM
Steven Gerrard winning his second premier league game with a back to back clean sheets.
They had a single goal and held down the counter attacking crystal palace from hurting them.
Solid defending from Tyron Ming's.

Obviously football depends a lot on confidence, but it's still strange to see it take effect like this, as it does almost every time a team gets a new manager.

Villa without Grealish are a poor team, the last few games under Smith they were almost guaranteed to lose, almost no point in even turning up... but bring in a manager, who puts the same players out, and suddenly they're invincible and storming up the table.
949  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 28, 2021, 07:55:34 AM
The current point gap between the leader Verstappen and the second Hamilton is only 8. There is even a probability for these two drivers entering the last race by the same points.

It seems unlikely. If Hamilton wins with Verstappen second, I'd imagine Red Bull would do everything they could to ensure Perez takes the fastest lap point from Hamilton. They wouldn't even mind if Bottas took it, anyone, so long as Max had that crucial 1 point advantage going into the final race, to make him champion should it end in a double DNF.



in the final race Hamilton’s experience might come into play

With most other drivers, I'd agree, but I think Max has handled the pressure and the novelty of the situation extremely well. I might question the legality and motivation for some of his driving at times, but it's undeniable that in his first title challenge he has behaved as if there is no pressure at all, where other drivers might have buckled (as Vettel did when Ferrari last had a competitive car).



I'm hoping it goes to the final race, and doesn't end in an "accidental" double DNF.
950  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the vaccine for? on: November 28, 2021, 07:36:06 AM
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It's very difficult trying to hold a rational conversation with people who can't understand (or else understand but refuse to accept) the concept of evolution. Viruses mutate randomly, and are subjected to selection pressures, as is everything else. This should not be difficult to comprehend. Are you fundamentalist Christians? Is that the problem? That might explain your objection to basic facts and evidence.
951  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the vaccine for? on: November 27, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
So the new vairant is found only in fully vaccinated.
Are you talking about the new B.1.1.529 variant? This isn't true at all. It's coming out of southern Africa, which has very low vaccination levels.
....
You are wrong again and again. Africa has a low vaccination rate and doing fine, South Africa has one of the highest in rates in Africa and one of the worst affected.

South Africa has a vaccination rate of 24%. The question of whether this is high or low relative to other African nations is utterly irrelevant. It is low in absolute terms, which is all that matters here.




As professor Montagnier has said the more you vaccinate the more variants you will have.

Nope, he didn't say that. You are either mistaken or lying. Let's assume mistaken.


952  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What is the vaccine for? on: November 27, 2021, 10:49:17 AM
So the new vairant is found only in fully vaccinated.

Are you talking about the new B.1.1.529 variant? This isn't true at all. It's coming out of southern Africa, which has very low vaccination levels. It was always anticipated that the failure of the developed nations to share the vaccines would create problems, and so it has. The global south is largely unvaccinated, and is a perfect breeding ground for new variants, some of which may of course turn out to be vaccine-resistant.

The more of a virus there is in circulation, the more variants will arise. This is quite basic maths. The best way to reduce the amount of virus in circulation is to take the vaccine.
953  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: November 27, 2021, 10:40:57 AM
Itally won against USA in Davis cup which was sort of expected but Sinner destroyed Isner 6:2 6:0. I don't think Isner lost the match with just 2 games by his name ever. Even against players like Djokovic he almost always managed to get 3 or 4 games per set on board. I guess he is out of form but still Sinner must have played some incredible returns yesterday since Isner serve is a force to respect.


I didn't see it, but the reports do say that Sinner played extremely well. I don't know with Isner, I suppose so much of his game is based on the strong serve and winning all his own service games, if that serve starts to misfire, or he faces someone who is great at returning, then he can struggle. Isner actually ranks top on percentage of service games won this year, a ludicrous 92%... so maybe he did just start to misfire a bit.
954  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 27, 2021, 10:32:54 AM
it does look like Mercedes have the upper hand for now. They have 2 tracks that they are famous for with great straights which Mercedes is known for and they will be better than everyone else.

On top of that we have Lewis with a new engine that was used only for one race and they are going to get that back for the last 2 races. They will probably work it until it explodes or barely finishes this race, then they are going to see the situation and either they are ahead enough that they do not care about next race if Max crashes or something, or they are going to actually work the engine and pray to god that it doesn't explode on the last race. Which tells me unless there is a crash or something then we are not going to see Lewis losing, hence why the odds are so odds are favoring him.

Yes, barring anything unpredictable, it's a Hamilton win. Even if Max beats him off the line, Hamilton should have the raw pace to overtake him whenever it is safest/most convenient.

But the thing is, F1 certainly has unpredictable events quite frequently, crashes, grid penalties, bad pit stops, punctures, a safety car at the wrong moment... I think it is more the chance of something unpredictable happening that narrows the odds between the two drivers, because on the face of it (without accounting for anything unpredictable) Hamilton should be a massive favourite, much more than the odds suggest.
955  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: November 26, 2021, 05:26:36 PM
Newcastle are in a bad mood this moment, failing to turn game around, their new owners will be wanting European football from he next transfer window

It's such a weird situation with Newcastle. It's notoriously difficult to get good players in the mid-season window. They are bottom of the table, with some of the richest, most ambitious owners around. It's not inconceivable at all that they will get relegated. And it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you're not playing in the top division, you can't get top players.

Basically every player currently at the club knows that if the owners had their way, they would all be kicked out and replaced with upgrades. This is not good for morale, in a team where it's already rock-bottom. I can easily see them remaining in their current position come the end of the season.
956  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: November 26, 2021, 05:16:37 PM
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Craig Tiley, the head of the Australian Open called out Novak Djokovic and seemingly attempted to goad him into getting vaccinated against COVID-19 by saying the tennis star "will not want to miss" his shot at a record 21st Grand Slam.
Yeah, he has a good record in AO so it's really necessary for him to get the jab so that he can compete and probably have a good chance to win next year. I guess it's the right decision for him.


Is that him saying he'll get vaccinated though, or just the Australian Open people desperately trying to convince him to do it, because they want him to play there?
TBH given his personality and the way he is often so outspoken on these things, I would actually be quite surprised if he got the vaccine. Of course he will have a good chance of winning the Australian Open if he competes there, and achieving the record, but it's not like he won't be the favourite at every other slam as well.
957  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: November 26, 2021, 05:04:11 PM
If you walked in on Trump taking a dump in the middle of your living room floor you would blame Democrats for the smell and tell everyone how great of a house guest Trump is.
Since all of us know that Trump or any politician would never do such a thing, just suggesting it shows that you don't have enough sense to talk politics at all.

They do it metaphorically all the time, I don't think it's that much of a change to imagine them doing so for real. If it happened in this country, the worst that would happen to them is that they'd get sacked, and then quietly reappointed to a similar job a couple of months later, when the stink had died down*.






*couple of months is an estimate, based on diet and wind conditions**.

**wind conditions in a meteorological sense, although in the other sense it would also be a complicating factor.

958  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 26, 2021, 04:53:52 PM
^  Never mind the final race.  Just take a look at the first turn of the next race.  Steep!  Cheesy  If Verstappen gets P2 and Hamilton gets P1, we’re in for a treat.  One of them should get a quick start to get the racing line at the right side of the track before turning left.  If they go wheel to wheel, oooh baby!  It’s gonna be like a game of chicken.  Grin

I actually don't think they'll go wheel-to-wheel, Hamilton will back out.

The reason I think this is a crash where they both DNF would be disastrous for Hamilton... he'd be 8 points behind with one race left, and Max would then just need to finish second in the final race to win the championship.
We know this is a track that should favour Mercedes, and Hamilton has his super-speed Brazil engine back. I would imagine if they get close, he'll let Max take the position, confident in the knowledge that he can overtake later in a safer, less crowded spot. We're too late in the season now for them to take chances. As for Max, I don't know... a crash and a double DNF would benefit him, but not if he's seen as the instigator and gets a points deduction.
959  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think will be the most important industry in the near future? on: November 26, 2021, 04:48:10 PM
I think it's agriculture.
Global warming is affecting all parts of the world today.(ex: drought, Heavy snow and rain, reduction of sea ice, sea level rise, etc.)
There is still a shortage of food in Africa. I think it's going to get worse. That's why I think it's agriculture.
What do you think?


Climate change will force the focus onto certain industries. Renewable energy is obviously one, and I do agree with your point about agriculture, but mainly in the form of genetic engineering of crops as we try to feed a large population in ever-worsening conditions. I do think there will be wars over water sources... there is already trouble around the Nile.
960  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think Doctors lie? on: November 26, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
Do you think Doctors lie?

Some doctors lie, but this is because 'doctors' is a subset of 'people'.
Some people lie. I don't think there is a higher prevalence amongst doctors... and in general, given their profession, you might expect a doctor to be more honest than someone who works in, say, advertising or sales (or politics).
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