[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[defier]

Goood LORD! Three pages of the barabbas / altcoinUK comedy show over night!  I'm officially hitting the ignore button on both of them to save my internet bandwidth.  What a waste...

Maybe the teacher is making them write that same fud 1000 times.  Mostly I see is personal attacks on the devs.  So old so fast.
I guess you can only do that when your target doesn't hide, in anonymity.  

Meaning VRC is one of the few coins that people know the devs actual names.

[ereborltc]

Here are some serious questions people should answer who are interested in the future of VeriCoin. Daytraders can stop listening here.


Is a debate really taking place over a fourth developer being paid insane amounts of money happening based on his promises? This community really needs leadership, and visionaries. When these people think, and give you solutions, instead of insisting criticism as "FUD". Perhaps its time to look at what these people say more seriously. Lets start by turning this discussion into potentially something valuable.

Would a better option not be to figure out a way to bring 10's , if not 10's of thousand developers to the VeriCoin platform? What gives Bitcoin an advantage is people have confidence in the services, and products behind it.


What is VeriCoin? IMO VeriCoin needs to cut a lot of the fat, and figure out what it is / wants to be. AND DO THAT WELL, forget being everything to everyone.

To regain confidence in VeriCoin, IMO. We need to take about 5-10 failures off of that roadmap and streamline a realistic vision for people to champion. Stop working at everything and failing. It's time to work hard towards goals that will bring small levels of success and work up to bigger things. The time to start under promising, and over delivering is now. Can you remember the last time we have under promised and over delivered?

If the developers can start achieving this they will gain the best asset back that VeriCoin had, and that is its the "good guy" of crypto, or "bad guy" depending how you view it, either way it polarizes the market and gives you all you need to be successful, if your willing to put in the work to get there.

Start with this MN fair, give Xo all he needs to succeed. This should be the main topic of discussion in the upcoming days. The developers will not share with us what happened with coinsis, so we can watch speculation from other coins to get a clearer picture. Not ideally the way you want to research your investment. But if you cannot get the information from the source, you get it where you can.

rather i agree or disagree .. i respect your post as it was respectful, this is how you get points across , at least we can see you want the best for vericoin... regarding the coinsis situation , obviously you understand you can't discuss things when there are disclosure agreements in the contract.. I'm sure the devs would love to talk more about it but well just have to wait till coinsis makes their ann and or like you said I'm sure some info is available through other resources..

thanx for making your opinion respectful , this is the type of criticism or opinions that can be taken seriously

[barabbas]

Goood LORD! Three pages of the barabbas / altcoinUK comedy show over night!  I'm officially hitting the ignore button on both of them to save my internet bandwidth.  What a waste...

Maybe the teacher is making them write that same fud 1000 times.  Mostly I see is personal attacks on the devs.  So old so fast.
I guess you can only do that when your target doesn't hide, in anonymity.  

Meaning VRC is one of the few coins that people know the devs actual names.

And no one more than me has or will ever praise them FOR THAT and for setting, with it, a new standard for digital currencies.

Why else do you think I am invested in this train wreck?

[altcoinUK]

Sorry didn't bother reading it because its the same shit from the last 5-6 pages...no thanks

nonsense ...

You got tired of listening to common sense?

Tell me, if I was posting Gifs of Moons, and saying 100k satoshi! Would I be ignored? It's telling what people consider unviewable. Sure I have been a bit long winded, its because I am offering up solutions to the problems. I know many appreciate what I do here, so I wont assume this is everyone's view. But for those who understand what business is about, ignoring the bad things, contrary to popular belief, does not make it better. Infact, when you are looking to succeed, it happens to be the best place to start.

Please be sure, many appreciate your hard work and wise words. Don't be intimidated by the cheerleaders' attacks, these are the same ppl who try to scam new investors every day at the IRC channel with 100k price predictions. Ppl are dumping on Bittrex not because you try to bring sanity to the coin, the market just don't like the direction of the coin.

Keep up the good work LoL  

[Wreathy]

A group of oxen were set on avenging their treatment by the butchers and plotted to kill them with their horns, until an old wise ox spoke out: "We may hate and fear the butchers, but they do what they must do expertly, and if we kill them, man will still eat beef, so then other less skilled men will cause us far greater suffering."

[barabbas]

Here are some serious questions people should answer who are interested in the future of VeriCoin. Daytraders can stop listening here.


Is a debate really taking place over a fourth developer being paid insane amounts of money happening based on his promises? This community really needs leadership, and visionaries. When these people think, and give you solutions, instead of insisting criticism as "FUD". Perhaps its time to look at what these people say more seriously. Lets start by turning this discussion into potentially something valuable.

Would a better option not be to figure out a way to bring 10's , if not 10's of thousand developers to the VeriCoin platform? What gives Bitcoin an advantage is people have confidence in the services, and products behind it.


What is VeriCoin? IMO VeriCoin needs to cut a lot of the fat, and figure out what it is / wants to be. AND DO THAT WELL, forget being everything to everyone.

To regain confidence in VeriCoin, IMO. We need to take about 5-10 failures off of that roadmap and streamline a realistic vision for people to champion. Stop working at everything and failing. It's time to work hard towards goals that will bring small levels of success and work up to bigger things. The time to start under promising, and over delivering is now. Can you remember the last time we have under promised and over delivered?

If the developers can start achieving this they will gain the best asset back that VeriCoin had, and that is its the "good guy" of crypto, or "bad guy" depending how you view it, either way it polarizes the market and gives you all you need to be successful, if your willing to put in the work to get there.

Start with this MN fair, give Xo all he needs to succeed. This should be the main topic of discussion in the upcoming days. The developers will not share with us what happened with coinsis, so we can watch speculation from other coins to get a clearer picture. Not ideally the way you want to research your investment. But if you cannot get the information from the source, you get it where you can.

I have posted that so many times already that just saying I agree 100% is completely unnecessary. And every one of them, just like this one, resulted in an exercise in futility.

I kind of disagree with your recommendation regarding the Minnesota Fair for I believe X has already enough support to be able to extract from that event probably the max that can be extracted which is nothing more than spreading the awareness. Now, considering the dire situation in which Vericoin finds itself, even the awareness could easily be counter-productive for anyone from the real world coming in and watching the charts and the opinions of people with evident common sense, would be more hesitant than anything else, once they become aware of the lack of aim and real resources that afflict this project. More resources for such local event, in my opinion, are unwarranted since the community has already sent -and continues sending- what I consider enough support. Once again, kudos and thanks to X for the effort but if we try to sell a product that is far from marketable, expecting success is simply not being realistic.

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

[Wreathy]

Here are some serious questions people should answer who are interested in the future of VeriCoin. Daytraders can stop listening here.


Is a debate really taking place over a fourth developer being paid insane amounts of money happening based on his promises? This community really needs leadership, and visionaries. When these people think, and give you solutions, instead of insisting criticism as "FUD". Perhaps its time to look at what these people say more seriously. Lets start by turning this discussion into potentially something valuable.

Would a better option not be to figure out a way to bring 10's , if not 10's of thousand developers to the VeriCoin platform? What gives Bitcoin an advantage is people have confidence in the services, and products behind it.


What is VeriCoin? IMO VeriCoin needs to cut a lot of the fat, and figure out what it is / wants to be. AND DO THAT WELL, forget being everything to everyone.

To regain confidence in VeriCoin, IMO. We need to take about 5-10 failures off of that roadmap and streamline a realistic vision for people to champion. Stop working at everything and failing. It's time to work hard towards goals that will bring small levels of success and work up to bigger things. The time to start under promising, and over delivering is now. Can you remember the last time we have under promised and over delivered?

If the developers can start achieving this they will gain the best asset back that VeriCoin had, and that is its the "good guy" of crypto, or "bad guy" depending how you view it, either way it polarizes the market and gives you all you need to be successful, if your willing to put in the work to get there.

Start with this MN fair, give Xo all he needs to succeed. This should be the main topic of discussion in the upcoming days. The developers will not share with us what happened with coinsis, so we can watch speculation from other coins to get a clearer picture. Not ideally the way you want to research your investment. But if you cannot get the information from the source, you get it where you can.

I have posted that so many times already that just saying I agree 100% is completely unnecessary. And every one of them, just like this one, resulted in an exercise in futility.

I kind of disagree with your recommendation regarding the Minnesota Fair for I believe X has already enough support to be able to extract from that event probably the max that can be extracted which is nothing more than spreading the awareness. Now, considering the dire situation in which Vericoin finds itself, even the awareness could easily be counter-productive for anyone from the real world coming in and watching the charts and the opinions of people with evident common sense, would be more hesitant than anything else, once they become aware of the lack of aim and real resources that afflict this project. More resources for such local event, in my opinion, are unwarranted since the community has already sent -and continues sending- what I consider enough support. Once again, kudos and thanks to X for the effort but if we try to sell a product that is far from marketable, expecting success is simply not being realistic.

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

Enlighten more on the REAL REASONS?.

[effectsToCause]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

[MAD945]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but suggestions for specifics to use moving forward.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Prepare yourself for an unstructured, incoherent, rant from barabbass!

If barabass can reply to @effects with a well structured, itemized response I will be very surprised

[Wreathy]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Concise.

[altcoinUK]

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

[MAD945]

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!

[Wreathy]

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

Describe real work, bearing in mind the coin is barely 4 months old. And met more than enough goals in that time frame, not forgetting Dev talk last night Iphone is at apple store for approval all which are not mentioned on road map.
as of yet.

Whats your definition of real work, Altcoin.

[barabbas]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

[luisb]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Well although you didn´t say anything about luisb, luisb would really appreciate if you answer to the questions aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack were asking you in response to your suggestion about using VRC instead Paypal and CCs for online purchases

1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin if we already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers us security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...

[Shinraven]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Concise.

[ereborltc]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

here is a proper response to altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas... now lets see how civil they can respond, here is your chance to be heard in a respectable manner...

+1

[MAD945]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

No solutions or bright ideas...just as I thought. Full of hot air!

Everyone of your talking points are being done!

[Wreathy]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Concise.

[altcoinUK]

I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Thanks for the constructive post :-) In step one, I would like you finally release the white paper, whatever it is, and please do that soon as it is possible. The white paper that I have been asking for weeks, that your lead developer Pnosker had no idea what the status of that and you didn't even bother to give an update about it for weeks. We both know the completion of such white paper should not take for long weeks, but whatever has happened doesn't matter, just please try to get it out soon as you can. I trust you have the proper understanding of the subject and you will release something that is up to standard. Having said that, whatever you are working on terms functionality, please read first Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum yellow paper to get an idea what can get 20 million US$ from enthusiastic investors, mainly not terms of subjects (because I guess you are not planning to roll out a new ethereum type of project), but terms of quality and effort put by the developer into the task.

If you perform that step #1 then I will be happy to describe what should be done in step #2 in my opinion :-))