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1101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crypto Market Will ‘Absolutely’ Grow 1000x and More on: September 18, 2018, 07:37:30 AM
Just don`t wish it next year, but in next 20 we will have a lot more coins and tokens, many halvings, and more people in crypto.
20 seems reasonable time period to have such a big growth. We also have to understand that not everyone globally is absolutely going to end up being in this space, as some will be limited, accessible to some, and it would be a personal decision for some. Also in this case, we are talking about the whole world moving into the crypto space, with a market cap like this, and I wonder how that in itself is really going to work out. Do we even have up to 204 trillion dollar in the whole global market?

to reach 204 trillion market cap you don't need money! you just need to create a lot more shitcoins and increase the supply. it is a simple formula that can easily be manipulated. you have x and y that you multiply and get the total market cap you need money to increase x (being the price) but since you can't do that you increase the other variable which is y (being the supply) and you easily get the huge number. just like what happened last year.
1102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Too many speculators in the cryptospace? on: September 18, 2018, 07:10:25 AM
existence of speculators is not a bad thing on its own if you ask me. it is inevitable and we are all speculators in one way or another. you can't say you have bought bitcoin or even earned it and don't speculate about its price and not interested in the profit that it gets you. so you are a speculator too. but in the end it depends on how many are purely in it for speculation and how many are also in bitcoin for the technology. I'd say in bitcoin there are enough people who are interested in the decentralization aspect and other benefits that comes with it but in altcoins possibly everyone is only in it for the profit.
1103  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mentioned in Coronation Street on: September 18, 2018, 06:52:01 AM
these mentions on their own are not automatically positive so we shouldn't just get excited when we hear about these cases. for example when the movie Dope came out in 2015 people were excited about it since it was bitcoin centered. but what it showed was usage of bitcoin for selling drugs on the dark market! as it is usually the case with most of these "exposures" they always portray bitcoin in a bad way and that is more harmful than anything else.
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A simple proof that Bitcoin has zero value on: September 18, 2018, 06:46:21 AM
just because you don't understand what value means and how bitcoin has it, it doesn't mean bitcoin doesn't have value. if you start defending value the way you are doing here then about 80% of things that currently have value in the whole world become worthless.
1105  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ETF Proposals on: September 17, 2018, 07:28:45 AM
the more I find out about ETF the less I want it to happen.
what I understand so far is that something like ETF is best suited for things such as gold that you need an intermediary when you want to invest in it. for instance gold ETF makes it easier and more convenient for people to invest in gold but not store gold itself.

but what is the point of bitcoin ETF? nothing I can think of! bitcoin is something that you can buy and store and use on your own. the whole idea of it was that you never need a third party ever again. but now we are introducing a third party to use to buy bitcoin and not hold bitcoin itself but something like an IOU instead of it! that doesn't make sense to me...
1106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stop being pessimistic. The potential of bitcoin is still immense! on: September 17, 2018, 07:13:06 AM
It's an important point that everyone tends to forget because it's something that works so well:

Bitcoin is still effectively in beta.

People spend so long fixating on the price swings that they totally forget about how much stuff is still on the to-do list.  A 0.x version generally denotes software that isn't deemed a full release candidate yet and the latest Bitcoin Core is 0.16.2 so clearly still beta software.  Lightning is also very much in early beta.  There's so much more to come.  People need to be patient.

to be fair bitcoin core is not bitcoin, it is one of the implementations of bitcoin protocol and it happens to be the reference implementation and also still be in beta after 9 years but I don't think we can also consider bitcoin itself as a protocol as being in beta. bitcoin is young but is a solid protocol that has been thoroughly tested and battle hardened.
1107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Whale Movement Belongs to Mt GOX on: September 17, 2018, 06:51:54 AM
they are all speculating about everything that is related to this news. everything including the amounts that are being moves,  the addresses that are linked, where they are going to and who they belong to. and a lot more. and the worst part is that most of the things they say are pure guesses without solid evidence to back it up. the total amount may not even be t hat much.

as for the tweet, it is just a firm trying to advertise their services in my opinion, nothing more.
1108  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Margin trading on Bitmex, should play or not? on: September 16, 2018, 12:16:23 PM
like any other trading strategy, margin trading also requires experience and also it is mostly a matter of preference. for example I have little experience in it and I don't like doing it so I have never done it more than trying it out and seeing how it looks like.
it obviously has its risks and rewards and more importantly requires a certain market condition which is basically a downtrend. and in this case ever since OP opened up this topic there has not been that many good opportunities for margin trading and big profits and that shows one of the biggest limitations of this type of strategy and the risks associated with them.
1109  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: natural constant: high Risk = high reward on: September 16, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
Risks always go with chances. Smart people is the one who can pass risks to get profits. They always see the long way not the near future. After that, they have some plan to do.
I don't think long term plan is a smart move. It can be a very common person who get to know that long term will benefit him and he can only hold. Honestly speaking only holding and waiting that a time will come that I will get profit is not smart in my opinion. Those who don't have any other option will hold. Smart are the one's who get benefits in the tough time.

it depends on what you are investing your money in for long term. for example if you invested in Apple or Microsoft, ... or companies like that then the long term outlook have been awesome for you. but if you invested in some company that disappeared and died then obviously your money vanished in the long run with it.

I also want to disagree with this in OP that is saying:
“What seems too high and risky to the majority generally goes higher and what seems low and cheap generally goes lower.”
When majority thinks something then that thing will definitely become true. for example if majority thinks a certain price is low and cheap then the majority won't just stop at thinking it, they will act on it which means they will buy it at the price where they think it is cheap and as a result price won't go any lower than that.
1110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you still invest in Crypto related projects, if you know it was a scam? on: September 16, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
yeah, good points. I have noticed this too. there are still a lot of people who have the mindset of "getting in early to beat the scam system and make profit"! it doesn't make any sense to me. I may be able to justify those ICO investments that aren't clearly scam but there are cases like the HYIP scams that I can never wrap my head around. for example if you visit the Investor-based games board you can see that there are still scams going on there although their popularity has dropped compared to previous years.
1111  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time to discuss next halving? on: September 16, 2018, 09:14:43 AM
The halving is a significant event, but people should not only look forward to it, because they know the price will increase when it happens. It is a marvel to admire because Satoshi anticipated that we would need a halving every 4 years to increase the rarity of the coins. I do not think that there are any relationship between the halving and previous spikes in the price.  Roll Eyes

I am just happy that we are still receiving a lot of coins to buy and this is something to celebrate.. as time goes by, less coins will be available for people to buy and we will have had a good opportunity to buy coins before all these halvings.  Grin Grin Grin

technically speaking halving is not increasing the rarity of bitcoin nor does it reduce the supply. and as time goes by there is more and more coins available for people to buy because the supply is increasing every day and bitcoin is not burning or being destroyed (apart from a small percentage of loss due to loss of private key,...) so even with halving the supply is increasing.

what halving does is that it slows down the process of creating new supply or slows down printing bitcoin. and since a part of sell pressure is from miners selling their new coins, halving reduces that so the price can rise easier in the future after the halving. and that is why everything before halving is pure hype.
1112  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Uncertainty of Bitcoin's Value on: September 16, 2018, 07:30:23 AM
I think there is WINTER --- BULL --- WINTER -- BULL

While Winter period is 1-2 years Bull is 1 year.

Every WINTER is higher then before
Every Bull market is much higher then before


Next Bull market will be 42,000B market CAP.

You would be wrong, if you made that assumption, because the Bitcoin price does not follow a cycle or some fixed price trend. We have had periods of 3 years where there were basically nothing happening and then in one year <2017>, we saw a price spike of upwards of 800% increase in the price.  Shocked

We are now seeing a huge correction phase and this might go on for 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 years, nobody knows.  Roll Eyes

The thing is, adoption is still happening and merchant adoption is on the increase, so it is not unlikely that the price might go back to the ATH or even surpass that in the future. <How long it will take, is anybodies guess>

this is just a new type of limiting your vision. before people only looked at the charts while zoomed in and only saw the changes in a couple of days then made their assumptions about bitcoin future. now people like this one you quoted are doing the same by only looking at one of the cycles that bitcoin had, then they ignore ALL circumstances that created that cycle (basically put their head in the sand) and then make the conclusion that it should be repeated!
1113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcointalk and CMC continue to lose influence over cryptomarket on: September 16, 2018, 07:26:53 AM
if bitcointalk and CMC lose influence over the market everything can happen a new market can be introduced, dropping all others into nothing that new market might then hold the entire economic attention, or even more, that new market will have its own index understanding.

I don't believe there is any meaningful influence of bitcointalk or coinmarketcap on the market prices that you are trying so hard here to prove. but if what you say is true and sites like coinmarketcap and bitcointalk lose their influence the first thing that will happen is that altcoins that are currently on top of CMC will get  dumped real hard because main reason for them to be on top is because these sites say they are on top. so expect coins like ETH and XRP to go down at least 80%
1114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Digital Money Scams Often Occur in London, Using Artist Photos on: September 16, 2018, 07:15:22 AM
as long as there are gullible people, there will also be scammers waiting around the corner to take their money and put it in their own pockets. and it is usually exploiting these people's greediness to perform a successful scam.
in this case an investment promise with a high return. when newbies who have been losing money because altcoins were getting dumped on them see the opportunity (the fake illusion) of earning a big profit they jump in, head first. but then they get scammed.
1115  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Where next? Up or down! on: September 15, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
I don't think any of the things you mentioned here are an actual good news. they are positive but not important enough to be considered a factor leading to a rise.

as for ETF, before this I used to think it can lead to a decent rise then after it is rejected a drop back down to $6k-$6.5k can take place before the real rises begin. but at this point I think people have given up hope about ETF's approval or even its positivity for bitcoin. more people are starting to think more realistically about ETF nowadays.
with that said we may see a very small rise followed by an even smaller drop after ETF rejection but nothing significant enough to warrant any action.
1116  Economy / Speculation / Re: I personally think bitcoin is bullish right now. on: September 15, 2018, 08:03:51 AM
Well it might be anything. Big bank willing to invest, country willing to hold small part of its reserves in BTC (f.e. Malta which is soo positive to crypto) , Founds willing to invest in BTC, MT gox case solved by burning remaining BTC  and manny more. It might not be something that everyone know it'll happend. Funny thing is that we might see it firstly on chart and then (after all insiders bought) as a news.

if bitcoin starts rising only because of things you mentioned such as banks investing in it or countries,... then it means bitcoin has already failed and will not survive for long. the fact is bitcoin has been rising (and will do in the future) only because it doesn't need these things. because bitcoin as a decentralized currency that nobody controls already creates enough incentive for people all around the world to want to own some of it and benefit from using it. the rest are only additional pushes on an already rising price.
1117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Decentralized exchanges 'make crypto unstoppable'? (McAffee bullshits?) on: September 15, 2018, 07:55:46 AM
a cryptocurrency like bitcoin is only successful if it has more utilities, to put simply bitcoin or any other coin in the future are unstoppable when they have real usages. things such as exchanges (centralized ones or decentralized counterparts) only concern a small use case and a small group of people known as traders. and being unstoppable has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is for them to buy and sell bitcoin on daily basis!
1118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New hashrate ATH again on: September 15, 2018, 06:16:52 AM
Even if the price of the coin falls and the demand falls, as long as there is no fall in the hash rate, it means that the coins are not dying.

not really. hashrate and its increase/decrease status only shows profitability of mining said coin and possibly introduction of newer equipment with more efficiency. and fall in hashrate only indicates that miners stopped mining, the  reasons of which can be anything like costs of electricity in their area going higher or for instance some disaster in a mining facility like fire...

(e.g. Bitcoin Cash - miners [Bitmain] were mining it even though Bitcoin was more profitable).

wrong. miners in early days were mining BCH and switched from bitcoin to it because it was more profitable to mine it than bitcoin. it was like this for 24 hour periods:
144 blocks/day * 12.5 BTC reward per/block * ~$4500 (Aug 2017 price) = $8,100,000
~1000 blocks/day * 12.5 BCH reward/block * ~$900 (Aug 2017 price) = $11,250,000
(1000 was possible with magic of EDA).
1119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Girl Survived with 0.21 Bitcoins for 21 Days, how do you think of it? on: September 15, 2018, 05:43:24 AM
  helping her out like reselling products she needed in exchange for her Bitcoins

I would not call that living solely on bitcoins, nearly none of the merchants accept bitcoins there.
If she gets a crypto backed card with visa membership it would be a lot easier to live a normal life.

In normal circumstances she might not have survived. But her friends helped her out with the necessities. Still I agree with your post. It will be much easier if she gets a Visa or Mastercard debit card, which can be topped up with Bitcoins. I myself owns one.

but the main message of stories like these is to show usage of bitcoin not fiat. note that it is not saying she survived with a thousands bucks. it is saying she survived with some amount of bitcoin. using a Visa, debit, ... are using fiat not bitcoin even if you top them off with bitcoin you are still doing an exchange of bitcoin to fiat then you use the fiat which raises the question of why bother with bitcoin in first place and pay an additional fee instead of sticking to fiat!
1120  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Forum,the only effective medium for crypto and ICO Marketing? on: September 15, 2018, 05:16:59 AM
the most prominent social media platforms has banned cryptos.
they didn't ban "cryptos" they banned advertisement of scams aka ICOs that have been taking the money from newbies and scamming them day after day.

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This is one of the major causes for lack of acceptance for Bitcoins and cryptos.
WRONG. this has nothing to do with bitcoin and acceptance of it or altcoins and acceptance of them. for instance altcoins aren't adopted at all by anyone other than speculators because their main purpose is getting pumped and dumped. and as for bitcoin it is being adopted in different sectors even if something like Facebook allows bitcoin-related services to advertise on it or not.

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What do you think ? and what steps should be taken to remedy this situation?
the first step is to stop creating scam projects, specifically ICOs that are creating a pointless token just to raise money! start by building legit cryptocurrencies set out to function as a crypto-currency not a speculation tool. then you will see things change on their own.
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