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1541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Early BTC adopters still hodling? on: July 08, 2018, 06:53:57 AM
So relatively, fees should be like tolls and not relative to the number of traffic. However, when BTC started its bull run in fall of 2017 through early 2018, fees were also increased and this was due to traffic. I think it was just an unusual anomaly. But is there a specific calculation for fees?

fees have nothing to do with "traffic" or "high USD value" of bitcoin. it has not changed ever since fees were introduced to bitcoin. fees are there to prevent spam attacks, practically to prevent them from being able to go on forever since it makes them more and more expensive to attack bitcoin.

obviously the amount of fee you pay first depends on the size of your transaction. if your tx size is 180 bytes you will pay a lot less fee than if your tx size is 100000 bytes (~100 kilo bytes).
also you can think of fee as a competition for a place in the block. there is always going to be a limited block size whether it is 1 MB or 100MB. when it is empty you can pay the minimal amount or even 0 and get that space. but when that space is full you will have to compete with others and pay a higher fee to be able to get that space.

the reason why fees sometimes go up during bull runs is that there are more transactions being made on chain so the blocks are full since there is more transactions. you can call this "traffic" but it is a traffic that is higher than capacity. which is why there is more competition and the fees go up. this can increase both on rises and falls as people make more transactions in both cases.
however in 2017 alongside that competition we had a serious case of spam attack which made everything 10 times worse.
1542  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Trading , who does it? Is it effective? on: July 07, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
I have done it and it works but there are some problems with arbitrage trading that makes it sometimes impossible and sometimes extremely hard to make profit from it so my conclusion was to stick to normal traditional trading instead of wasting time on arbitrage.

I have done it manually and with my bot. the problems I am talking about is the fact that others are doing it also so there is a risk involved specially if you are doing it with an altcoin that can get dumped or pumped at any time and you lose a lot of money that way. another problem is that most of the times the reason for the price difference (which you use for arbitrage) is that there is a problem with that coin or with that exchange that has the different price so you can get stuck and lose money. and finally another important problem is that the profit most of the times does not justify the risks. meaning you take a huge risk but earn a tiny profit.
1543  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is the minimum USD transaction in crypto excahnge. on: July 07, 2018, 09:29:21 AM
last time I checked Bitfinex didn't have any fiat markets, there were all USDT (attention to the last letter 'T') which is an altcoin called Tether. it is worth $1 but it is not dollar. and withdrawing it is like withdrawing any other altcoin, you just give it an address and you receive it after confirmation.
I don't use Bitfinex to be able to tell you what the minimum is but it should be pretty low since it is not fiat and the fees should also be minimal because it is a cryptocurrency not a fiat.
1544  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: buy some, sell some, and hold some on: July 07, 2018, 09:09:28 AM
when you do trading, do you always think about this, "buy some, sell some, hold some."
I don't understand your strategy that buy some,sell some and hold some.Are you talking ablut bounty rewards?

You really need to follow biy low and sell high if you want the profits.

no, im talking about trading, for example i buy 100%, sell 70% and hold the 30%, for me its increasing profit.

it can work and it is a valid strategy but the final profit depends on what you are trading. for example if you are trading some useless shitcoin and bag holding 30% of it then your final result will be a big loss as that shitcoin gets dumped eventually because it is inevitable in pump and dump altcoins.

but if you are doing it with something good like bitcoin then it can be a good strategy.
for example you buy $1000 worth of BTC then after it went up you sell but you don't sell all of it. instead if your total value is $1050 you sell $1025 of it and keep $25 profit in BTC and $25 profit in fiat.
1545  Economy / Speculation / Re: As bitcoin plunges, mega-bull Tom Lee stands by his $25,000 target on: July 07, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
The bitcoin news media and the mainstream news media are very confusing. First they release Tom Lee cuts prediction to $20,000. 1 hour later I read news updates that said Tom Lee reduces prediction to $22,000. Another 1 hour later I read another update saying Tom Lee predicts the same $25,000 by end of year.

Is Tom Lee ok?


you can never trust the media when it comes to bitcoin!
for all we know Tom Lee has never even made any of these comments and they are making it up. at least that is always my first assumption when I read any news on the internet regarding bitcoin.
it is like that Apple guy (Steve Wozniak?) one day we read he has dumped all his coins and says bitcoin is shit the other day we read he is praising bitcoin and has a lot of bitcoin....
1546  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Indian exchanges have announced that no crypto-fiat exchanges will be allowed . on: July 07, 2018, 06:19:37 AM
So now the future of Crypto in india is in dilemma.

there is no "dilemma" here!
bitcoin is going to be used as before by the Indians but now they will be doing their trades elsewhere instead of doing it on Zebpay. and altcoins are still the same shitcoins with no future so we are clear on that front also.
and when all of this drama is settled bitcoin is still the same decentralized currency that nobody can't do anything about to stop it.
So just as like you said and prove buddy, the crypto currency life in India is not in dilemna. I am glad that people of India that uses Bitcoin can still use it as before and will not happen to be banned permanently. I hope more people will open their mind to the crypto world and be in one way to us and make the crypto world into a much better for the benefits of each and one of us.

well bitcoin or altcoins are not banned in India. this is just bank shenanigans that the Indians have to endure every day. and this is not the first time they are encountering this type of problems, unlike what these topics tell you it didn't start this month. it has been going on for over a year now but in different forms and every time with a new drama.
but since bitcoin price is now at the bottom and some people want it to go lower, you keep hearing the "negative" news over and over again in an exaggerated manner.
1547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be more valuable when the altcoin bubble bursts on: July 07, 2018, 06:11:34 AM
I really think altcoins are a bubble just like dotcom bubble.
You know dotcom bubble was the caused because people rushed to buy technology companies shares.but the problem was that most of  these tech companies did not even have a product or even a plan to have a product.they were just in for the money they can grab.
I believe altcoins  are just like that.most of them are just fancy scams looking to get money.

I see what you mean but your comparison is wrong because altcoins are pumped!
the difference is that in dotcom bubble and the similar ones people actually rushed to buy them so the price went up because of that. in altcoin bubbles people did buy them but that was not the reason for this kind of rise. the reason was because of the pumps.
in dotcom bubble pumps are illegal and since the market is regulated you can not do it without consequences but altcoin market is not and it is easy to manipulate it without consequence and also since it is a tiny market you can become a whale with a lot less money.

And when that bubble bursts bitcoin will be shaked but will stand its ground.

I agree with this though. it has been a theory that I have had for a while now. as people dump altcoins they do it on popular altcoin exchanges like Binance, Poloniex,... these places don't have fiat markets (don't confuse tether with fiat) so in order to go back to fiat they have to sell their shitcoins for bitcoin then transfer it to another exchange like Coinbase, Bitstamp, Kraken,... to dump for fiat so bitcoin price comes down as they dump their altcoins and the bubbles burst.
1548  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Indian exchanges have announced that no crypto-fiat exchanges will be allowed . on: July 07, 2018, 05:58:44 AM
So now the future of Crypto in india is in dilemma.

there is no "dilemma" here!
bitcoin is going to be used as before by the Indians but now they will be doing their trades elsewhere instead of doing it on Zebpay. and altcoins are still the same shitcoins with no future so we are clear on that front also.
and when all of this drama is settled bitcoin is still the same decentralized currency that nobody can't do anything about to stop it.
1549  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Maybe BTC wont last because NO ONE really profits from it... on: July 07, 2018, 05:46:26 AM
it is not "no one" it is just you. and the reason is simply because you listened to the FUD instead of listening to your own logic and using your own brain. when some idiot told you to "buy" you jump to buy bitcoin and when another idiot told you to sell because bitcoin is dead you panicked and jumped again to sell bitcoin and in this process that you repeated multiple times you lost a lot of money each time.

then you made the mistake of listening to another kind of idiots on the internet who were telling you to buy shitcoins. after a while you found yourself with bags filled with a lot of altcoins each of which losing value up to 90% and you found yourself in a lot of loss.

that is why you are so negative right now. so my suggestion is to start looking back and see what you did wrong. stop listening to idiots on the internet and start using your own head and stop bag holding altcoins.
1550  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin May Soon Be Worth Nothing on: July 07, 2018, 05:38:09 AM
it seems like these days people keep sharing their wishes and call them "analysis" and pretend their wish is a prediction of the future. if for example they wish for the price to come down so they can buy to make profit then they say price will fall and then try to come up with any reason they can think of to back it up. the same is true with the ridiculous rises but at least "rise" is more realistic than these doomsday topics because rise will eventually happen.
1551  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Short term vs. Long term investments on: July 06, 2018, 09:39:05 AM
Short term investment is not really a good thing for me ,I will rather do a long term investment and make sure its safer for me in terms of return of profit..
I do not think like you, long term investment will be dangerous at this point when bitcoin prices are in the bearish trend in the long term and can drop sharply at any time, the market is in a The downside in the long run and falling into crisis, so to be able to trade successfully at this time you should only short-term investment.

Short-term investment will help you make a profit quickly and safely, you can handle the time when the bitcoin price drops.

first of all when price has already fallen sharply and a lot then there is not much room left for such sharp drops. we may see more drops like any other time but they will be smaller. you can't go from an ATH to 99% down for something like bitcoin which has a lot of usages and a lot of investors. 70% has been more than enough drop for it and now it is even underpriced!

secondly making profit from either long or short term investment has nothing to do with what price bitcoin is at right now. you have to know how to make profit. even if you do short term trading  and not know what you are doing you can lose money. and long term is an investment that you buy something that you know is going up in long run. so the bear market in short term should not even concern you!
1552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin back on track? on: July 06, 2018, 09:27:55 AM
bitcoin has never exactly left the track to now want to come back on it.
the thing you are forgetting is that this "track" is not just an always-rising-price track. it is a live market with both ups and downs or in case of bitcoin more like a rollercoaster where price shoots up and comes down hard but eventually ends up higher than the initial price and then after a little while of accumulation it starts rising back up again and see the same rollercoaster again.
1553  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 52 Times Bitcoin Died 2010 - 2018 (infographic) on: July 06, 2018, 06:24:28 AM
Funnily it seems that the same news and doomsday talks seem to continue from year to year and Bitcoin just goes on. And also, when the course dips, more and more these articles pop up. When the course is going up, there seems to be not so much doomsday articles.
nah, the doomsday articles always come out at key entry points when the whales want to make an entrance in the market. for example if you check out the above link there has been 125 articles only in 2017 which is the most ones and we had a big rise then. of course it is also increasing with the popularity of bitcoin and as it increases the fear in the hearts of banking cartel who don't want to see bitcoin grow.
I looked a bit at the Obituaries website, and I came to a different conclusion.

Most "Bitcoin is dead" articles in 2017 were recorded in December, when even the most permabullish Bitcoin fan should have recognized that the price was "overheating" a bit. 10 of them came after the peak (Dec 20). And in 2018, we have already more Obituaries per month than in 2017.

So the "obituary peak" seems to be co-related with high prices. More precisely, most of these articles are written in the last part of the bull cycle and the first part of the bear cycle. This is also the point public attention for Bitcoin is at its peak.

High price periods are not "whale entry points". Instead, these articles pop up as a result of a very natural process:
- Media see that a topic (in this case, Bitcoin) has grown strongly in popular attention
- They know that a controversial article about this topic will give them clicks and shares (=attention and income)
- So they write a "Bitcoin is dead" article.

It's basically the way sensationalist journalism works. Nothing new here Wink

(There is one year escaping from this trend: 2015. It was the beginning of the last bull cycle, but I guess it was also the point where real sentiment in the Bitcoin community was most bearish.)

"entry" doesn't happen just once. whales are constantly going in and out to make profit in short term also and when bitcoin swings big time they make the most profit. examples:
Forbes 2017-12-28[1]  and Bloomberg 2017-12-27 price is on the downtrend and in 2 days following these artilces the price goes down to $12000 before rising back up to $17200 (43% profit in a week).

bitcoin is on downtrend from $16700 to $13000 from 2017-12-7 to 11 and Washington Post[3] Bloomberg[4] The Telegraph[5] publish the obituary before price rises up to $20k (53% in 10 days)

another major downtrend during September from $4900 to $2900. during which time CNBC[6] CNBC (Jamie Dimon FUD)[7] Forbes[8],... spread FUD, just before price starts rising back up again and reaches $6000 (106% in 2 weeks)

.... and a lot more. these 3 specific sites (Forbes, Bloomberg and CNBC) at least have always been on point with publishing in the dips before the shoot up in most cases.

but I agree that with the fact that when bitcoin is overheating they also publish a lot of crap for attention and click baits.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jayadkisson/2017/12/28/the-great-bitcoin-scam/#70a7afb15c1e
[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-27/bitcoin-is-an-implausible-currency
[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/12/11/why-bitcoins-success-could-be-its-downfall/?utm_term=.9ab38bcc5e2b
[4] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/bitcoin-has-no-intrinsic-value-brookfield-ceo-flatt-says
[5] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/08/new-gold-bitcoin-like-beanie-baby-bubble/
[6] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/13/bitcoin-is-in-a-bubble-and-heres-how-its-going-to-crash-ron-insana.html
[7] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/12/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-raises-flag-on-trading-revenue-sees-20-percent-fall-for-the-third-quarter.html
[8] https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2017/09/09/why-china-crushed-bitcoin
1554  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A little bit of doom and gloom is due on: July 06, 2018, 06:01:33 AM
In simple language, everyone already knows about crypto in general and bitcoin specifically.
that is wrong.

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If they wanted to invest in crypto, they already did so. If they didn't, they wouldn't, as simple as it gets.
that is even more wrong.

why? it is simple, a lot of people have not even heard of bitcoin. they may have seen the name, saw some article online, on TV,... but they never even paid attention to it. it was something they passed by. and there are a lot more people who know about it, read the articles,... but they didn't invest in it because they were afraid of its future. for instance instead of reading what bitcoin is they read what Warren Buffet said about bitcoin so they decided not to get involved with bitcoin.

this will change in the future. the same people will start learning more about bitcoin and know how bullshit 99% of the articles about bitcoin that they read were. and the rest who haven't heard about bitcoin will know about it and that way the adoption increases.

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So what does it mean for us all? Essentially, that there is little hope for bitcoin to make new all-time highs any time soon or even just local highs beyond minor rebounds.
even if we assume that no new person is going to adopt bitcoin (which is simply not true) the same investors are still investing more money in it so in a way price will rise even there were no new adoption!

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Over the long term, we will be moving closer to the use value of bitcoin and other coins (if there's any in them in the first place), with the price closer to what it would be if there were no speculation at all.
there are no other coins. there are shitcoins and then there is bitcoin. the value of these shitcoins are never going to be even remotely close to bitcoin's because they are shitcoins!!! and you can never remove speculation, it will always exist as it exists in any other object out there from currencies (fiat) to goods.
1555  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: LN: Bitcoin could theoretically scale beyond VISA. on: July 06, 2018, 05:46:58 AM
Bitcoin may theoretically extend beyond VISA. But the speed of processing it can not be as fast as a visa.

if you are hinting at confirmation speed then you should know that bitcoin's transaction confirmation speed is already ridiculously faster than VISA's confirmation speed!
for example as a merchant when you receive bitcoin it will only take about 10 minutes on average to get 1 confirmation and be sure of the payment. but with VISA it will take a couple of days (up to 3) to have it confirmed and receive actual money.
1556  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In Southeast Asian country, bitcoin player is exceed stock market player, right? on: July 06, 2018, 05:30:56 AM
In this Southeast Asian country, the number of players playing in bitcoin is going to exceed the number of participants in the stock market.

some day that can happen as bitcoin grows in adoption. but not yet, we are very far from that day. you may hang around in bitcoin related communities and see bitcoin only and a lot of trades so that may seem to you like a lot but if you get out and look at the market from outside with a fresh eye you can see that despite all the growth that bitcoin had in the past few years the market is not yet that big. we need to grow a lot more for it to be able to become as big as stocks market,...
1557  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Better you can do in times of market crash on: July 06, 2018, 05:21:09 AM
The market can not collapse, you believe in it, never worry and panic and always remember that this is only part of the system and often happens instead of worrying that we need to think better. We can do when the market crashes.

it depends on which market you are talking about. bitcoin can not collapse because it has real world applications as a currency and as long as it keeps that it will stay strong and grow more.
but altcoins for instance are purely based on speculation and speculation can not keep something alive when there is no real world usage for any of them. eventually they will all collapse and disappear. there are about 1600 altcoins now and there has been about 4000 altcoins that have collapsed and died in the past few years.
1558  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Fake binance pump? on: July 05, 2018, 10:20:25 AM
don't confuse the situation with SYS with a pump. it was a bug in Binance platform.

speaking of real pumps, they are good ways of earning a lot of money in a short time.
should you take part in them? when you trade altcoins you are participating in pump and dumps because that is inevitable since all of them are pump and dumps.
but it depends on how you participate in them. if it is by following some pump group that tells you what to buy then it is a big mistake because they are all scams that aim to take your money from you. but if it is on your own by detecting the pumps and then jumping on the rocket and getting off on your own based on your experience then it is the right way of doing it.
I have been doing this for some time now and I have been making good profit.

It was hackers method to transfer money from hacked accounts (stolen api keys) to his account/accounts without doing multi withdrawals.

do you have any proof that this was a hack and not a bug? I haven't really been following this news!
1559  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: EXCHANGE!? on: July 05, 2018, 10:00:53 AM
when fiat and banks are involved even if it is just a half involvement such as deposits, then the place where is accepting these deposits needs to follow the AML/KYC laws otherwise the bank is not going to work for them. not to mention that without asking for documents they can easily get scammed. for example there are a lot of stolen cards that can be used on such exchange to purchase crytpocurrencies and the loss will be focused on the exchange when the bank reverses the stolen money, so the exchanges won't even want to accept without documents.
1560  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! - $30,000 contest now live! on: July 05, 2018, 08:39:57 AM
We have increased the MULTIPLY BTC commissions from 0.25% to 0.40% of the amount that your referral wagers! Refer more users to play MULTIPLY BTC and start earning big!
Interesting for those who have referred big players
I dont think there are much big players on the site. How ever I agree that there are a "lot" of small players.

So a person needs to invite more in quantity as compared to quality in order to generate profit as no whales will be interested to come here with 5% house edge because they can already find much lower house edge in other gambling sites.

5% isn't really that huge though. I mean it is quite rediculously high and 0.5% is better but all the sites with 0.5% house edges take investors and they don't give out stable commision, sometimes you earn, sometimes you lose it's just the luck of the draw.
Some people would probably play this site because they're less likely to win so when they do win it is worth more because the chance of them winnng is so much lower.

I disagree. it is not about the number. it may as well be 2% or 1.5% or even possibly be 1.1% and doesn't make a difference. when people want to choose where to go they compare these services (in this case a dice site for gambling) and it is a competition. when one site offers 1% and the other 0.5% and the other 5% people will choose the one with lowest house edge not the highest.

there are good incentives on this site in my opinion such as the lottery (both free tickets and ability to buy), rewards you get which you can use in many ways, profit from your investment which is 100% guaranteed not like investment in gambling sites that depends on players losing/wining, free rolls, .... but these are good for a different kind of user, in the end if you want to attract gamblers you need lower house edge.
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