Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

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Jesus was not a historical person.  The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters.  It was a common name among the Jews.
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Well, that argument has been around a long time. I don't think it's been proven or disproven. I listened to a really good audio book some time ago, where the prof did a historical analysis.

https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Historical-Jesus-Audiobook/B00DC8EQOI

I guess I would comment I liked the prof's method of analysis, but of course he could not prove or disprove this question, only cite the evidence and use analytic methods and such.

To be fair it is possible that it was a common name among the Jews, however considering that his birth and death have been used as a split on our timeline into BC and AD shows something. To have a modern calendar based on his life is amazing by any standard.

This religion was a political system for a long time.  Census, time was recorded by monks as they were the most educated people.

Not having any historical contemporary evidence of Jesus existence and believing in this myth is madness in my opinion.  

In any period in our human history, the historical figures left some contemporary historical evidence.  But not Moses or Jesus.  That should tell you something.

Now you are talking about modern science as a religion.     

[Trading]

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

[BADecker]

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

People did worse things to get free Roman citizenship.

BTW, Joshua is a common Jewish name.

There is no contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.

It is like writing today about 'John' from 1947, Roswell, LOL.

Evidence from Tacitus, Evidence from Pliny the Younger, Evidence from Josephus, Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, Evidence from Lucian... https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.

Both Pontius Pilate and Julius Caesar may have written about Jesus, but their writings are not known to not be forgeries.

[BADecker]

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

People did worse things to get free Roman citizenship.

BTW, Joshua is a common Jewish name.

There is no contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.

It is like writing today about 'John' from 1947, Roswell, LOL.

Evidence from Tacitus, Evidence from Pliny the Younger, Evidence from Josephus, Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, Evidence from Lucian... https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.

Both Pontius Pilate and Julius Caesar may have written about Jesus, but their writings are not known to not be forgeries.

None of it is contemporary historical evidence.  Lookup the definition of contemporary if you don't know what it means.

Game over.  Thanks for playing.

Just because these things happened in the past, doesn't mean that they are not accurate today. Why should someone what to play with your word contemporary?

The point isn't the playing with words. The point is that there is lots of REAL evidence for Jesus outside of the standard biblical writings.

[exemplaar]

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

People did worse things to get free Roman citizenship.

BTW, Joshua is a common Jewish name.

There is no contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.

It is like writing today about 'John' from 1947, Roswell, LOL.

Evidence from Tacitus, Evidence from Pliny the Younger, Evidence from Josephus, Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, Evidence from Lucian... https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.

Both Pontius Pilate and Julius Caesar may have written about Jesus, but their writings are not known to not be forgeries.

None of it is contemporary historical evidence.  Lookup the definition of contemporary if you don't know what it means.

Game over.  Thanks for playing.

Not so fast apeman, not so fast.

That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.

Fact1:  The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
           to the first century AD.
Fact2:  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed            
           that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3:  The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4:  The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5:  The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6:  Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
           the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7:  First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8:  Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9:  Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals

The only proof of love is The Truth.

Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.

[BADecker]

^^^ While it is true that a few of the things that you talk about, above, are factual, much of it is not known to be absolute fact.

For example, the earliest complete Septuagint that we have is from around 350 A.D. We don't really have any scraps of it that are from B.C. The "stories" that say it is from Egypt around 250 B.C., are convoluted enough to show that it may not be. And the writings of it that we DO have, might not be accurate except for one thing. Josephus wrote from Hebrew texts, and his writings agree with the Septuagint in most areas.

However, your list does way more to substantiate the Bible and Jesus, than secular scholars have that says that Jesus didn't exist.

[BADecker]

Not so fast apeman, not so fast.

That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.

Fact1:  The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
           to the first century AD.
Fact2:  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed            
           that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3:  The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4:  The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5:  The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6:  Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
           the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7:  First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8:  Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9:  Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals

The only proof of love is The Truth.

Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.

Show me one contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.  Ape.

Did you forget to look at Fact 6, above? Those are all contemporary finds. Relax. Slow down. You just might be saved yet.

[BADecker]

Not so fast apeman, not so fast.

That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.

Fact1:  The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
           to the first century AD.
Fact2:  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed            
           that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3:  The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4:  The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5:  The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6:  Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
           the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7:  First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8:  Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9:  Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals

The only proof of love is The Truth.

Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.

Show me one contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.  Ape.

Did you forget to look at Fact 6, above? Those are all contemporary finds. Relax. Slow down. You just might be saved yet.

OMG, Shroud of Turin? LOL.

BADecker, do you want to buy a Brooklyn Bridge? I have one for sale.  Only 2 BTC.  Comes with the Certificate of Authenticity, confirmed by the leading 'bridge industry' experts. LOL.

You also need to buy a clue.  How can you be so stupid and gullible is beyond me.

Nobody believes you. Why? Because you only pick and choose the one thing that might be questionable.

Jesus is real. Why do I say "is?" Because He was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, and has ascended higher than the Heavens, to fill the whole universe. Jesus lives and reigns over the whole universe.

He and the Father have sent the Holy Spirit to us. This Holy Spirit is a Spirit of patience and forgiveness towards all who repent (turn away from their unbelief in Jesus/God), and believe. But, He will be an avenging Spirit against all who remain stiff-necked in their own unbelieving way.

[BADecker]

Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence.  Get it?  Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961?  Are you fucking kidding me?

You are clueless.   Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence.  Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!!  Do you see the disconnect?

Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking.  There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death.  There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.

Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understaood in their existence today?

All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist.

However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question.

[BADecker]

Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence.  Get it?  Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961?  Are you fucking kidding me?

You are clueless.   Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence.  Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!!  Do you see the disconnect?

Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking.  There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death.  There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.

Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understood in their existence today?

All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist.

However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question.

Maybe English is not your first language, so let me explain again.

Please provide a written record by any historian who lived at the same time as Jesus did.

All important historical figures have corresponding historical evidence from the time when THEY LIVED.  Not "fairy tales from the crypt" written generations after the fact.

You guys are back peddling but you got zip, zilch, nada.

The difficult part is figuring out what you mean at times. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and St. Paul were contemporaries of Jesus. You have read them and know this. So, who would have guessed that you meant contemporaries of Jesus? Even Josephus was born only a year or two after Jesus's resurrection.

BTW, since Jesus is alive, we are all contemporaries of His.

[BADecker]

Again, your "fact 6" is not a piece of contemporary evidence in Jesus existence.  Get it?  Discovery of Nazareth, burial box discovered in 1961?  Are you fucking kidding me?

You are clueless.   Any important historical figure has corresponding CONTEMPORARY historical evidence.  Except for Jesus, the key figure in the cult followed by billions of people!!!!  Do you see the disconnect?

Because there is no contemporary historical evidence, I can only conclude that the story of Jesus was concocted generations after the fact, probably for political reasons, to avoid any contemporary fact checking.  There were no people alive to contradict the stories written in the New Testament, that is why they were written a few generations after the supposed time of Jesus' death.  There was no one to collaborate or to contradict the stories, so you could write whatever you wanted, magic, supernatural shit, and anything in between.

Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understood in their existence today?

All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist.

However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question.

Maybe English is not your first language, so let me explain again.

Please provide a written record by any historian who lived at the same time as Jesus did.

All important historical figures have corresponding historical evidence from the time when THEY LIVED.  Not "fairy tales from the crypt" written generations after the fact.

You guys are back peddling but you got zip, zilch, nada.

The difficult part is figuring out what you mean at times. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and St. Paul were contemporaries of Jesus. You have read them and know this. So, who would have guessed that you meant contemporaries of Jesus? Even Josephus was born only a year or two after Jesus's resurrection.

BTW, since Jesus is alive, we are all contemporaries of His.

You got it all wrong.  Let's start with the Book of 'Matthew'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

It was written around 80 to 90 AD by the anonymous author.

Do you have any more anonymous contemporaries of Jesus?

The who thing is one fucking fairy tale written by who knows who, who knows when.

You are going to be disappointed if place your trust in Wikipedia. Wiki is good for getting a general idea of things, but the details are often very biased. See https://crossexamined.org/wrote-gospel-matthew/ for info about why Matthew spoke his book to a scribe.

But why pick on Matthew? Of course. It's easy to pick on what might be the weakest link in the chain.

Have you already lost it? Or are you going to find salvation for you soul one of these days?

[BADecker]

Give me your BEST historical CONTEMPORARY evidence of Jesus existence or be quiet forever.

I have no fucking interest to re-hash ALL your bullshit list, I just picked the first one in your list.

Give me your ONE, best example and I will bury you with evidence to the contrary.

Stop talking 'Christian', I don't speak it.  I have no idea what souls, salvation, hell or heaven are.  They do not exist and are undefined.  

So use English, not Christian English if you want to get anywhere with me.

I'm not here to play your games. You can't just decide what is truth. Truth is truth. Either you accept the truth or you don't.

You still have time to be saved.

[BADecker]

Give me your BEST historical CONTEMPORARY evidence of Jesus existence or be quiet forever.

I have no fucking interest to re-hash ALL your bullshit list, I just picked the first one in your list.

Give me your ONE, best example and I will bury you with evidence to the contrary.

Stop talking 'Christian', I don't speak it.  I have no idea what souls, salvation, hell or heaven are.  They do not exist and are undefined.  

So use English, not Christian English if you want to get anywhere with me.

I'm not here to play your games. You can't just decide what is truth. Truth is truth. Either you accept the truth or you don't.

You still have time to be saved.

So I conclude you don't have any examples.

Well, think about it.  Maybe you will find a way out of your madness.

It doesn't surprise me no matter what you conclude. Why not? You would rather play with rhetoric than look at things that show you the truth.

[exemplaar]

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

People did worse things to get free Roman citizenship.

BTW, Joshua is a common Jewish name.

There is no contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.

It is like writing today about 'John' from 1947, Roswell, LOL.

Evidence from Tacitus, Evidence from Pliny the Younger, Evidence from Josephus, Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, Evidence from Lucian... https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.

Both Pontius Pilate and Julius Caesar may have written about Jesus, but their writings are not known to not be forgeries.

None of it is contemporary historical evidence.  Lookup the definition of contemporary if you don't know what it means.

Game over.  Thanks for playing.

Not so fast apeman, not so fast.

That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.

Fact1:  The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
           to the first century AD.
Fact2:  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed            
           that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3:  The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4:  The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5:  The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6:  Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
           the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7:  First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8:  Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9:  Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals

The only proof of love is The Truth.

Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.

Show me one contemporary historical evidence of Jesus existence.  Ape.

Lol man you mixed all up, I don't believe ape is my ancestor. I'm made in the image of God

Plenty of proofs, question is if you have ears to hear and eyes to see, ...abo.

Bonus video no.1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi2eFjnPQqY&t=
Bonus video no.2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvxGX6B5FUY
Bonus video no.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyoKKt4OHE

No excuses anymore, my atheist buddy.

[BADecker]

BTW, you believe in a fairy tale.  You don't believe me? Investigate who wrote the scriptures, when they were written and why?  The picture is clear to anyone with half a brain.

That's the whole point. Since the things that I believe in are real, you are the one who is believing in fairy tails.

BTW, other scientists have waked up long ago. They are finally becoming bold enough to come out into the open - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg49860956#msg49860956.

[Trading]

Since religious beliefs were mainly invented as a tool to justify death denial, any acceptance that a different/contradictory religious belief might be truth or is a belief as legitimate as any other, means acceptance of death as final. Of course, this provokes serious reactions.

Therefore, empirical research confirms that when reminding of death, most religious people become more intolerant of different religious beliefs or non-beliefs.

And that the intensity of the intolerance will be proportional to the intimate insecurity of the beliefs. Which means that people with less psychological faith/security on their beliefs will be much more intolerant.

See inter alia:  Terror management and religion: evidence that intrinsic religiousness mitigates worldview defense following mortality salience: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16938037
A theoretical and empirical review of the death-thought accessibility concept in terror management research: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20804234

Some Buddhists monks seem to coupe with different beliefs with easy because they are real convinced that their beliefs are true.

This isn't good. Because it means that to be tolerant a religious person has to be absolutely convinced of the truth of his religious beliefs. On other words, you know... more or less, a fanatic.

Indeed, if that can make a religious person accept with a condescend smile "crazy" different beliefs or no beliefs, it can also make them explode themselves for their beliefs. With or without a simile. Makes little difference.


Throwing stones on my own ceiling, research also suggests that at least some atheists react to the idea of death with more vigorous denials of god and some intolerance to religious beliefs.

On first sight, this seems absurd, since the nonexistence of god is irrelevant to death. But perhaps some atheists really believe that god doesn’t exist with the same kind of strong conviction that believers have on his existence.

At least atheist philosophy of life depends on the veracity of the nonexistence of god. Like believers, atheist have something to lose if they are wrong.

Moreover, if they are atheists on the good sense, they should keep an open mind and be always open to any evidence that they are wrong. And so, by principle, an atheist should have some insecurity about the veracity of the nonexistence of god. Or he will be a "fanatic" also.

Thus, maybe deep down some atheists might also be afraid of being wrong and end up "burning in hell". This could explain the strong reaction and more vigorous denial of god after thinking about death.

So an atheist has to be enough convinced that he is right to be tolerant to believers, but he also has to stay open to any evidence that he might be wrong, as the scientific method demands.

[spadormie]

You know what, I can't really blame you for being an atheist. There are lots of people that are like you don't worry. They are making me believe that religion was just created by humans for humanity to have ethics. And most atheist explanation in which when Jesus Christ rose from the dead, they explained it that Jesus Christ rode a flying saucer to rise. So, they say that Jesus is an alien.

But having a different religion is not a case for us. It's your own choice to be in that religion or sect.

[Malsetid]

You know what, I can't really blame you for being an atheist. There are lots of people that are like you don't worry. They are making me believe that religion was just created by humans for humanity to have ethics. And most atheist explanation in which when Jesus Christ rose from the dead, they explained it that Jesus Christ rode a flying saucer to rise. So, they say that Jesus is an alien.

But having a different religion is not a case for us. It's your own choice to be in that religion or sect.

Same here. I think it's time we change our views of atheists as baby-eating satan worshipers. I don't think they believe in satan either anyway. I know a couple of nonbelievers and they even have better morals than most theists i know. Respect begets respect so let's just let people be with what they want  to believe. Having theists and atheists for friends make up for a good discussion over beer.

[BADecker]

^^^ Not formally believing in something doesn't mean that you aren't part of it, necessarily. Look at the "Flat Earth" thread in the "Off Topic" part of the forum. Those FE jokers think that there isn't any gravity, and that the thing that is really happening is some bizare form of density. This doesn't mean that they don't live in gravity.

An onion by any other name smells just as repugnant. A religion by any other name is still a religion. Atheism by the actions of atheists is a religion, no matter what they want to believe or claim.

[markstivn98]

Maybe it is a personal belief.
Or that the community you live in is a reason for that.
The thoughts that are in your head are controlled by everything.