Nice work! Looks interesting.

But since it's basically a jade HW, I'm guessing we still have to rely on their whatnot oracle for our PIN?

I was actually one step away from buying jade until I read the device comminicates to a server for the PIN as I prefer a more closed off HW.

Bit confused. Is this from hotbit or from the exchange you first talked about?

Personally, I do not think highly of wallets who encourages and utilizes (for profits) cloud backups because it is either you don't get the weight of it or you're taking advantage of people who do not know any better.

There are a lot of bitcoin wallets out there which essentially gives us room to be picky. Therefore when it comes to reputation, I'd also consider how one does their business or should I say their ethics? especially if I wanna prevent ledger-styled surprises lol.

In short, my take is, find an alternative first for your use case. Now, if you must use this, keep the amount small.

The current sitting CEO has also confirmed this in a podcast - there's a short clip in the link:


Although he tried to downplay it by saying it's not a real concern, we all know how hostile the governments are/can be to cryptocurrencies hence you never know + this breaks the concept of self-custody.

Why should people pay to get additional risk on their way?

I feel like we are missing some information from you, op. What do you want them to/not to find?

What I can say is, ciphertrace is a blockchain analysis company therefore, it is safe to say they have far more better resources when it comes to tracing transactions as oppose to average users/tools especially when one tries to obfuscate their tracks.

Of course not. Let's take your example - hotbit for instance. Yes, they are giving people time to withdraw but it's only for a month. This time frame is simply too short for most if not everyone to be able to withdraw everything. Since people's money are already on their pocket, we are almost always at their mercy.

Not to mention, sometimes situation could get worse with CEx's e.g. hacking/exit scam where it's possible you won't have any chance of getting everything back.

Dabbling into CEx is just picking the lesser evil and setting up preventive measures. Don't even think about giving them your full trust.

1 month is too short, not everyone will be able to withdraw... but perhaps that's what they wanted. It's possible they don't have enough funds to cover everything mainly due to the frozen assets from last year which they haven't gotten back.

!remind me to check back few days after to see if people are experiencing issues when trying to get their funds out.

It doesn't look like OP is asking if they can full time on cryptocurrency but instead, this was about looking for a general full time job as oppose to the part time job they have which is more fragile. Ofc, full time is better than part time especially if you have an unstable hustle such as trading.

I'm not sure what specific accounting background you have OP but if I were to give a blanket answer, I'd say people with finance backgrounds have an edge in financial literacy
as oppose to average people. Success or nah? we would need some sort of supernatural power to confidently say so.

As long as binance give people an ample time to settle in, it's fine for me.

People who will be affected once they start nuking the 'click to credit' function - hopefully not soon - are probably those using centralized/custodial exchanges the wrong way. For instance, using it as a means of storage, saving addresses in 'contacts' or some sort and not cross-checking with the exchange, etc. hence it's likely problems will occur even if this didn't happen.

But I still think a one size fits all expiration date is a lot better than per batch dates which could cause further confusion to some, similar to what happened when they implemented mandatory KYC.

Their Former CEO (2014-2019) has indeed said this. To clear doubts, this is the post link:


If you go to u/murzika's profile, you'll see he's the one of the mods on r/ledgerwallet and has the "Former Ledger Chairman and Co-Founder" flair on his posts.

It is too late for ledger as major trust has been broken ever since they announced cloud backups. It's pretty clear they rather prioritize profits over their users security. Unfortunately for them, not everyone does not know what they're doing.

Sad to say, it's not all about justice like what we see in the movies.

Authorities do not have unlimited resources hence big fishes are almost always prioritized. In addition, they return better incentives as opposed to small time scammers. I'm not saying you should give up on reporting because who knows they could a be part of a big ring or smth but it is best to not expect immediate action from them as it's more likely to be inboxed.

A careful scammer could also try to obfuscate their tracks which includes masking their real IP, using disposable phone numbers etc. hence it's difficult to say whether one case would use much less resources from the other.

You'd need to reveal your country for people to suggest. It'll also be easier if you're in the same place as the company you're suing.

Otherwise, you could probably find directories thru search engines. Some places have bar associations where you could get a referral as well. At the very least, I'd say you should get someone who's familiar with crypto/isn't hostile with it.

Oh okay, just wanted to make sure.

When I used them, the hyperlink for my session became inaccessible when I've already gotten my btcs in my wallet. Looks like your session was mistakenly treated as completed or something - a guess.


In this forum, only the account sinbad.io could directly help you. Other people could at best provide insights or direct you to right places.


Honestly, sinbad should see to it that updates are posted when problems occur so people won't be playing guessing games...

My guess is they also have/had backlog issues as I see them bumping the minimum mix amount + withdrawal fee.

I would rather spend time on prevention!

Some suggestions:

1. The good old pay attention to your surroundings
2. Set aside backup device/s
3. Consider buying rugged smartphones
4. Buy a phone case aimed for extra protection/improves grip
5. Setting aside one or two paper wallets with small amounts could be good as well

Did you try toggling the "Alert Frequency" and/or "Sensitivity"? perhaps it is too low for your use case?



I haven't seen any alerts history or some sort either.

Side note: Lmk if I did not get the app right lol

Probably because these private keys contained dated UTXOs. For instance, if I deposit bitcoins today, I could get UTXOs from weeks ago instantly.

In mixing, it's good to have a good gap between your deposit and withdrawal. Competitors either let you withdraw instantly or have you choose to delay your withdrawal depending on the set of choices given (e.g up to a week) which means you'd have to wait. With CM, you could get a gap instantly and it's before your deposit = less extra step. Since people withdraw private keys, they could also set their own time better before sweeping.

The set your own fee plus good reputation were definitely up there too.

Lol i thought you were on a phishing website but turns out you're not as I'm seeing the same thing on their clearnet. It looks like a template, they could be revamping the website or smth..

Meanwhile, TOR version looks fine. I've not tried depositing though.


Did you happen to save your session hyperlink? if so, could you take a look at the status? if the confirmations were registered or nah.

In any case, we would need sinbad's intervention.

If the announcement is recent, probably has to do with the sync function as mentioned above. This created buzz couple of days ago especially when two researchers found google could technically access the secret keys if you enable the function.


Lol. I was the same until people recommended aegis and this is probably true for a lot of people into crypto when they just started.

I may have diligently followed exchange's instructions a little bit too much as they tend to only use google authenticator for their help articles/instructions. I can't remember which but I vaguely recall an exchange referring to TOTP/authenticator apps as "Google Authenticator" on the settings lol.

New transactions will reflect instantly on wallets however it will be unconfirmed. The wallet used for receiving had many transactions tagged as "pending" and only one is with confirmations so it's likely it could be the case.

Both devices had a wallet with different UI so I don't think the transfer was done within an exchange.

Hmmm? the mempool was and is still as clogged as before though. Congestion looks like an excuse to mask there was something wrong on their end lol.