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March 24, 2015, 07:34:24 PM
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The XMR Camp and the DRK Camp are in heated discussions over their coins. There is a lot of good commentary flowing from each camp, but in some cases it turns into a troll-fest. It is also starting to take up too much real estate in their respective OPS, hence this one.

I will not offer any debate one way or the other. All that I will do is be the moderator. If you are civil and respect each other I will not interfere. If you flame, troll, chastise, deviate then your comment will be removed without notice.

Of course it is up to all of you to use this space. It is your decision whether to move it from your own OP or not.

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March 24, 2015, 07:37:49 PM
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Monero uses a combination of ring signatures and stealth address which is provably anonymous, unlinkable, and private.

Dark uses a broken version of CoinJoin disavowed by gmaxwell (inventor of CoinJoin).


Monero has never changed its emission schedule/block reward, even under pressure from some important people in the community.

Dark's actual early emission doesn't match any of its several purported reward schemes, which implies incompetence, malfeasance, or some combination thereof.


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March 24, 2015, 07:54:29 PM
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someone wants the cops involved in dark

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001596.0

EDIT: What about Shawdowcoin and Zerocash? Shouldn't they be part of this too? Just sayin'

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So I guess I'll get this thing started.

The problem that i see with dark is not necessarily whether it works or not. This criticism applies even if it does work. My big problem, and the reason I didn't buy it a long time ago even though I was shopping for anonymity focused projects, is that its just so damn inelegant. It's like, instead of approaching the problem from a fresh perspective and inventing something novel and clever, the devs decided to take the whack a mole approach. You whack the first problem over the head with a blunt instrument, this creates more problems, and you whack those over the head with another bunt instrument, thus creating more problems. The way i picture it in my head, and we see this in cartoons sometimes, someone is trying to stop a hose from spraying so they stick their thumb in the hole, the pressure builds up and water sprays out of another hole somewhere, and they stick their toe in that hole, then water erupts from somewhere else and they stick their other thumb in that hole. This is all I could picture in my head while hearing a description of dark for the first time.

Its just so damned ugly. Maybe it works, but even if it does it's a vulgar solution to the problem, where as ring signatures and unlikable deterministic addresses is so beautiful and elegant and simple. Reading the white paper for the first time I was just struck with the beauty and elegance of the approach.

That's really all I have to say. Also I just want to put this here. My nomination for dark mascot.



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*edit* let me add a better explanation of why i made this comment so people dont think im just name calling.

Coins need to be mixed so you guys implement coinjoin at the protocol level. But then you cant just have every random user hosting coinjoin sessions because then you would open an attack vector for troll coinjoin hosts so you make master nodes. But then you cant just have anyone joining in the coinjoin because you could dos by requesting transactions but not signing so you implement the idea of collateral to be part of the session. But then now you have no incentive for the masternodes to form so you give them part of the collateral. It wouldnt be mixed enough if you did this at the transaction level so you have the blockchain tumbling peoples coins all the time. This is ridiculously expensive so you greatly subsidize the darksend transactions inorder to hide the huge cost of anonymity in your system. Now you have to worry about people trying to send transactions to each other through darksend so you have to try to come up with some clever mechanism to avoid this problem.

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March 24, 2015, 08:17:37 PM
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Monero uses a combination of ring signatures and stealth address which is provably anonymous, unlinkable, and private.


we could end the discussion here normally - but you know drk is rising and markets are always right  Roll Eyes ohh the irony

I was very early in drk as well as in xmr, I decided that drk will fail and argued vocally (see darkcointhread), when it decided in favor of multilevel marketing (masternodes) over the hardfork for privacy (cryptonote).

after the renaming and the announcement to compete with btc it is getting ridiculous: there is no place besides bitcoin (no matter what messias tells), there are just niches to be filled - and thanks drk ah dash for giving up the place for the biggest existing niche - privacy.




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March 24, 2015, 08:17:41 PM
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Stop spamming this whole section with drk/xmr ffs. Bring your spam to an already existing thread.

Its not spam, its a crusade against innocents getting scammed by seasoned scammers
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The way I see it there is no completely perfect solution to the problem of how to handle decentralised trustless value transfer systems.

On one hand you have XMR and all the other countless cryptonote clone coins which while an interesting experiment into anonymity have proven over the last year or so to be unworkable as mass adoption value transfer systems.
the main stumbling blocks of the Cryptonote clones is is the blockchain bloat that completely rules out mass adoption. if XMR had BTC levels of usage the blockchain bloat would render it unusable overnight.
The second problem is that the ring signatures are exploitable under certain circumstances so the likelihood of serious development taking place to find a solution to the bloat issue is severely reduced.
Why would any professional developer spend the required time to fix the bloat issue if there are other fundamental issues regarding the anonymity provided by the ring signature system?
the final nail in the coffin for mass adoption of cryptonote derived coins is that merchant adoption is hampered significantly by the fact that the API is incompatible with platforms developed for BTC, this means that to implement XMR payments a whole new payment platform would have to developed and tested which a huge an potentially disastrous proposition.

DRK/DASH on the other hand has none of the above issues and has the huge benefit of the 2 tier masternode system which is already nearly a year old and provides Instant transactions world leading levels of anonimization and the potential to support future services.
 here is an over view of the utterly unique revolutionary DRK value transfer system.



    Release date: 11PM EST, 18th January 2014 / No premine
    X11 hashing algorithm: 11 rounds of scientific hashing functions (blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, echo)
    Block reward is controlled by: 2222222/(((Difficulty+2600)/9)^2)
    CPU/GPU mining
    Block generation: 2.5 minutes
    Difficulty Retargets using Dark Gravity Wave
    7% decrease in the number of coins generated per year
    Est. ~22M Max Coins
    Decentralized Masternode Network
    Superior Transaction Anonymity using Darksend



DARKSEND


Darksend has made some significant advances, and we’re happy to say that we’re closing in on a finished product.

With the introduction of Release Candidate 5 (RC5), the Darkcoin client stores pre-mixed, denominated Darkcoins in the user’s wallet, to be used instantly at any time the user desires. The mixing and denomination process is seamless, automatic, and requires no intervention on the part of the user. With RC5, the amount that users can send via Darksend is limited only by the available balance in their wallet. Here’s how it works:

Every 10 blocks, user clients network-wide will send any unmixed, traceable Darkcoins in their possession through an anonymization phase. In this phase, Masternodes are used in chained succession to mix the coins they receive from the network and break them down into homogenous denominations. After being processed by a minimum of 2 Masternodes, the coins are either sent to the next Masternode in the chain or back to the user’s wallet at randomly generated change addresses.

Depending on the desired depth of security and privacy, users may select between 2 and 8 “hops” to successive Masternodes before their coins are sent back to the client. Hops are made every 10 blocks, so anonymization at a depth of 2 hops will take 2*2.5=5.0 minutes, 3 hops 3*2.5=7.5 minutes, and so on. The desired mixing depth can be selected in the client GUI.

At the end of the anonymization phase, the user’s coins are returned to their client at randomly generated change addresses. When the user wishes to make a transaction, the client forwards the intended amount from these anonymous change addresses directly to the intended receiver’s address. There is no direct involvement of of Masternodes in the final person-to-person transaction.

Proof of payment will work as it always has: a user can see the send transaction with the receiver’s address in their own wallet, and the blockchain will show that the receiver’s address received an input in the corresponding amount.

A breakdown of the improved Darksend process:
The Darksend process

The technology of Darksend has been analysed by security specialist Kristov Atlas and he found it to be robust. The weaknesses he found were addressed by Darkcoin Lead Developer Evan Duffield and have been mitigated with the last release of the code launched in September 22th 2014. Full analysis of Mr. Atlas analysis can be found at his website:




MASTERNODES PROOF OF SERVICE




In addition to traditional Proof of Work (PoW) rewards for mining Darkcoin, users are also rewarded for running and maintaining special servers called “Masternodes”.

Though future plans envision several roles for Masternodes, their primary function is to carry out the anonymization phase of the Darksend protocol. The service that Masternodes provide to the network is the beating heart of Darksend, which, in turn, is the defining feature of Darkcoin.

In return for providing this service, one Masternode is randomly selected by the network to receive 20% of the payout from each block mined.

In order to run a Masternode, a user must put up 1000 DRK as something akin to collateral, though unlike traditional collateral, the DRK never leaves the user’s possession. It can be moved or spent at any time by the user – doing so simply removes the Masternode from service and makes it ineligible to receive rewards.



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March 24, 2015, 08:27:44 PM
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Around 15% of the total monero coin supply was instamined by several groups including the original dev who was removed from the project for scamming. Smooth has admitted only 5% being instamined with a optimized miner from one group that went public, the other teams are still on the loose waiting to dump coins on newcomers. They had everyone mining on a "crippled miner" while elite insiders had optimized miners. smooth is one of the original bad holder and possible the ousted original anon dev.
The nsa involvement is bad enough but the inflationary distribution model will kill this coin before the massive bloat does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#NSA_involvement

Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

Zerocash is a monero killer! RIP
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Around 15% of the total monero coin supply was instamined by several groups including the original dev who was removed from the project for scamming. Smooth has admitted only 5% being instamined with a optimized miner from one group that went public, the other teams are still on the loose waiting to dump coins on newcomers. They had everyone mining on a "crippled miner" while elite insiders had optimized miners. smooth is one of the original bad holder and possible the ousted original anon dev.
The nsa involvement is bad enough but the inflationary distribution model will kill this coin before the massive bloat does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#NSA_involvement

Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

Zerocash is a monero killer! RIP
Dump it now, thank me later.





Nothing was instamined, the emission curve is totally perfect and sheduled how it was meant to be.
The NSA involvement, well, sounds good - the NSA knows how to make crypto systems way better than Mr. Duffield - thank you.

Blowing the lid off - with the exception of Monero, thank you again; do you know what exception means?


Peters comment is MRL-0001 which got fixed with MRL-0004 -  a totally theoretic attack anyway :-) Unlike the Darkcoiners we aren't as arrogant to not attack our own crypto and make it better :-)
You could paste the other comments from Peter maybe?

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I probably should get around to finally buying some #Monero; @xmr_to is a pretty clever service. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/

MRL-0004 is worth reading btw, but i doubt you can understand it  - but maybe give it a try:
MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol - https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf


PS: i already corrected your crackhead shitpost in the other thread.

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March 24, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
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The way I see it there is no completely perfect solution to the problem of how to handle decentralised trustless value transfer systems.

On one hand you have XMR and all the other countless cryptonote clone coins which while an interesting experiment into anonymity have proven over the last year or so to be unworkable as mass adoption value transfer systems.
the main stumbling blocks of the Cryptonote clones is is the blockchain bloat that completely rules out mass adoption. if XMR had BTC levels of usage the blockchain bloat would render it unusable overnight.
The second problem is that the ring signatures are exploitable under certain circumstances so the likelihood of serious development taking place to find a solution to the bloat issue is severely reduced.
Why would any professional developer spend the required time to fix the bloat issue if there are other fundamental issues regarding the anonymity provided by the ring signature system?
the final nail in the coffin for mass adoption of cryptonote derived coins is the fact that mercant adoption is hapered significantly by the fact that the API is incompatible platforms developed for BTC, this means that to implement XMP payments a whole new payment platform would have to developed and tested which a huge an potentially disastrous proposition.

DRK/DASH on the other hand has none of the above issues and has the huge benefit of the 2 tier masternode system which is already nearly a year old and provides Instant transactions world leading levels of anonimization and the potential to support future services.

To all newbies:

This is how you know Monero is a scam - the dev's don't spend any time on developing and instead are trying to troll people to *convince* them to sell the competition and buy mooneros.

Just look at the github, once a month maybe they add a line of code or fix a word list, and they still don't have a GUI?

https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master

Drk has added second tier (meaning home user's wallets can be masternodes, not centralized) plus instant transactions plus totally unique anonymity, what the hell has XMR done apart from marketing?  

And if you ask the devs about the lack of commits on the github they say things like they were there but  'I'm not sure where they all went' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10866344#msg10866344

he-looooo?

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The NSA involvement, well, sounds good - the NSA knows how to make crypto systems way better than Mr. Duffield - thank you.



Are you suggesting that NSA involvement is desirable in you opinion?

The NSA is engaged in the most insidious crimes imaginable,their involvement is death to any cryptocoin!

seriously you lose all credibility before someone can say "Backdoor".... poof your done


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March 24, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
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after 13 months suddenly XMR own devs decides to go on a crusade to prove DRK is a scam.

and the best you can come up with is <5% of supply was mined in the first day from a public BCT thread so it's a criminal operation?


It's not only the instamine that makes DRK a scam.

The purported high yields for the "Masternode" investment product are a much larger issue, especially from a law enforcement perspective.

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"Compensation" includes a payment based on a sale or distribution made to a person who either is a participant in a pyramid promotional scheme or has the right to become a participant upon payment.

"Pyramid promotional scheme" means any plan or operation by which a participant gives consideration for the opportunity to receive compensation which is derived primarily from any person's introduction of other persons into participation in the plan or operation rather than from the sale of goods, services or intangible property by the participant or other persons introduced into the plan or operation.

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You don't have to be Matlock or Johnny Cochran to notice it's a criminal operation.


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The purported high yields for the "Masternode" investment product are a much larger issue, especially from a law enforcement perspective.


You don't have to be Matlock or Johnny Cochran to notice it's a criminal operation.

Its funny that you invoke a fictional character and a lawyer who has made a name for himself getting rich people off on technicalities even in instances when they have committed murder!

but I digress.

the Masternodes are rewarded for providing a valuable and integral service to the network in the same way miners process transactions and are rewarded for the work they provide.

Are you suggesting that all POW coins are illegal too?

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Just look at the github, once a month maybe they add a line of code or fix a word list, and they still don't have a GUI?

https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master

You're being dishonest now. I told you earlier: 1. there is a search problem on github that doesn't show most of my commits (you can however find them if you go through the main list on the project page-by-page, or use the command line tools) and 2. that I'm not the one doing most of the coding.

Furthermore if you follow the project at all you would know that the GUI isn't even at the top of our development priorities. http://getmonero.org/design-goals/

You would also know that there are five GUI wallets.
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The NSA involvement, well, sounds good - the NSA knows how to make crypto systems way better than Mr. Duffield - thank you.



Are you suggesting that NSA involvement is desirable in you opinion?

The NSA is engaged in the most insidious crimes imaginable,their involvement is death to any cryptocoin!

seriously you lose all credibility before someone can say "Backdoor".... poof your done



Captain Obvious here, no i make just fun of you idiots - obviously.

We are using LibSodium/NaCL 1:1 a library from the known cryptographer and NSA hater DJB (Daniel J. Bernstein) - but hey who cares, you guys are too narrow minded anyway - same reason you don't understand our gitflow.

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Dash isn't a currency, it's masternodes take coins out of the markets. It's kind of a 2 way loss, if the masternode is up and running then at least 1,000 dash is out of the market and locked on the masternode. If the masternode isnt running then thats 1 less node thats "securing" Dash's "anonymity" and makes it more vulnerable to attack(Less amount of nodes to take down). Also, there are currently 2million Dashes locked up in masternodes, making darkcoin an extremely volatile cryptocoin, which is why it's so easy to buy/sell and the price goes up/down immidiately, meaning Dash has relatively bad liquidity and cannot be used a currency. That means since Dash can't be used as a currency, it's only other options left is being used a commodity/speculative investment, which it is and can't ever change from being.

Couple the extreme lack of liquidity from over 2milion entire Dashes themselves being tied up in masternodes, to the initial instamine where another 2million were mined by very few people, and that means Dash is an extremely Illiquid cryptocoin. So regular users wont be able to buy Dashes unless they like moving the price a lot everytime they buy/sell. Also, some people would say(That's what denominations is for), well that would be true If there was no masternode locking up 1,000 Dashes per node and if there wasn't a instamine where 2million dashes were mined in less than 2 days. Even if you use a smaller unit of account, there would be a substantial amount of coins "missing" and people generally do not like using decimal systems, especially for a cryptocoin that has a relatively low price(Bitcoin excluded since it's price is relatively "high" and denominations are actually useful in that situation, not for any other cryptocoin though).

Next, Dash isn't a legitimate coin. The instamine happened where the block reward and coin supply were drastically changed, it doesn't matter what happened with the coins, it doesn't matter if the original instaminers are holding all their instamined coins or if they sold already. The point is that it happened, where things that are never supposed to be changed, were completely defecated on. That destroys the entire purpose of being a cryptocurrency, where its "parameters" as some call it, should never be changed, lest you create huge inequality. Dash's "parameters" being changed so drastically shows that the coin was never decentralized, and honestly can't be taken seriously. It's pretty scam-like that it happened.

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Then there's the masternode and how masternodes themselves bring up lots more vectors of attack, dangers of centralization, spying, etc etc. Too many flaws for me to type out that it'd consume a 5 page essay.

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March 24, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
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The way I see it there is no completely perfect solution to the problem of how to handle decentralised trustless value transfer systems.

On one hand you have XMR and all the other countless cryptonote clone coins which while an interesting experiment into anonymity have proven over the last year or so to be unworkable as mass adoption value transfer systems.
the main stumbling blocks of the Cryptonote clones is is the blockchain bloat that completely rules out mass adoption. if XMR had BTC levels of usage the blockchain bloat would render it unusable overnight.
The second problem is that the ring signatures are exploitable under certain circumstances so the likelihood of serious development taking place to find a solution to the bloat issue is severely reduced.
Why would any professional developer spend the required time to fix the bloat issue if there are other fundamental issues regarding the anonymity provided by the ring signature system?
the final nail in the coffin for mass adoption of cryptonote derived coins is the fact that mercant adoption is hapered significantly by the fact that the API is incompatible platforms developed for BTC, this means that to implement XMP payments a whole new payment platform would have to developed and tested which a huge an potentially disastrous proposition.

DRK/DASH on the other hand has none of the above issues and has the huge benefit of the 2 tier masternode system which is already nearly a year old and provides Instant transactions world leading levels of anonimization and the potential to support future services.

To all newbies:

This is how you know Monero is a scam - the dev's don't spend any time on developing and instead are trying to troll people to *convince* them to sell the competition and buy mooneros.

Just look at the github, once a month maybe they add a line of code or fix a word list, and they still don't have a GUI?

https://github.com/iamsmooth/bitmonero/commits/master

Drk has added second tier (meaning home user's wallets can be masternodes, not centralized) plus instant transactions plus totally unique anonymity, what the hell has XMR done apart from marketing? 

And if you ask the devs about the lack of commits on the github they say things like they were there but  'I'm not sure where they all went' https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10866344#msg10866344

he-looooo?



You're being dishonest now. I told you earlier: 1. there is a search problem on github that doesn't show most of my commits (you can however find them if you go through the main list on the project page-by-page, or use the command line tools) and 2. that I'm not the one doing most of the coding.

Furthermore if you follow the project at all you would know that the GUI isn't even at the top of our development priorities. http://getmonero.org/design-goals/

You would also know that there are five GUI wallets.


sorry I never saw you say that your missing commits were a 'search problem on github'. The message I saw you said 'I'm not sure where they all went'. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10866344#msg10866344

But the you can prove me wrong now with a link to your comment, and the 'missing' commits?



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March 24, 2015, 09:14:47 PM
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You're being dishonest now. I told you earlier: 1. there is a search problem on github that doesn't show most of my commits (you can however find them if you go through the main list on the project page-by-page, or use the command line tools) and 2. that I'm not the one doing most of the coding.

Furthermore if you follow the project at all you would know that the GUI isn't even at the top of our development priorities. http://getmonero.org/design-goals/

You would also know that there are five GUI wallets.


sorry I never saw you say that your missing commits were a 'search problem on github'. The message I saw you said 'I'm not sure where they all went'. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10866344#msg10866344

But the you can prove me wrong now with a link to your comment, and the 'missing' commits?

No thank you. I'll just let you repeat that embarrassing evidence of incompetence your part for a while, then maybe.

It was certainly dishonest to suggest that is all the commits for entire project. Maybe you could compile a list of those and share it with the group. Oh that's right, you don't really know how to use git do you?
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March 24, 2015, 09:14:55 PM
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Dash isn't a currency, it's masternodes take coins out of the markets. It's kind of a 2 way loss, if the masternode is up and running then at least 1,000 dash is out of the market and locked on the masternode. If the masternode isnt running then thats 1 less node thats "securing" Dash's "anonymity" and makes it more vulnerable to attack(Less amount of nodes to take down). Also, there are currently 2million Dashes locked up in masternodes, making darkcoin an extremely volatile cryptocoin, which is why it's so easy to buy/sell and the price goes up/down immidiately, meaning Dash has relatively bad liquidity and cannot be used a currency. That means since Dash can't be used as a currency, it's only other options left is being used a commodity/speculative investment, which it is and can't ever change from being.

Couple the extreme lack of liquidity from over 2milion entire Dashes themselves being tied up in masternodes, to the initial instamine where another 2million were mined by very few people, and that means Dash is an extremely Illiquid cryptocoin. So regular users wont be able to buy Dashes unless they like moving the price a lot everytime they buy/sell. Also, some people would say(That's what denominations is for), well that would be true If there was no masternode locking up 1,000 Dashes per node and if there wasn't a instamine where 2million dashes were mined in less than 2 days. Even if you use a smaller unit of account, there would be a substantial amount of coins "missing" and people generally do not like using decimal systems, especially for a cryptocoin that has a relatively low price(Bitcoin excluded since it's price is relatively "high" and denominations are actually useful in that situation, not for any other cryptocoin though).

Next, Dash isn't a "legitimate" coin. The instamine happened where the block reward and coin supply were drastically changed, it doesn't matter what happened with the coins, it doesn't matter if the original instaminers are holding all their instamined coins or if they sold already. The point is that it happened, where things that are never supposed to be changed, were completely defecated on. That destroys the entire purpose of being a cryptocurrency, where its "parameters" as some call it, should never be changed, lest you create huge inequality. Dash's "parameters" being changed so drastically shows that the coin was never decentralized, and honestly can't be taken seriously. It's pretty scam-like that it happened.

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Then there's the masternode and how masternodes themselves bring up lots more vectors of attack, dangers of centralization, spying, etc etc. Too many flaws for me to type without writing out a 5 page essay.


None of the points you raise has any basis in reality!

There is no liquidity issue with a currency that is divisible to 8 decimal places!
look at this weeks volume on the exchanges, we have seen 100BTC buy orders stacking  all over the place with steady increases everyday, if someone try to buy 100BTC of XMR it would send monero up by 1000%...

Lastly check out Kristov Altas's excellent review of Darksend and the mastenode network none of your concerns are an issue.
There are no attack vectors with masternodes , they are completely blind to transactions.

BTC - 1GJ2dWf8WBznTtkuuof3WTBXQAULaqVGYj LTC - LTyCKKCGHJQZwsh5YhyzGeee4womQwChUU DASH - Xp5pq62dgJxmbhawyNtWMKT9Rst8JgNCY7
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March 24, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
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You don't have to be Matlock or Johnny Cochran to notice it's a criminal operation.

HYIP / ponzi schemes operate by paying investors returns using capital from newer investors. With masternodes, no capital changes hands, it is retained by the masternode operators at all times. All returns are paid from newly mined coins, not from money invested by newcomers. A masternode owner may cash out his coins, or his earnings, AT ANY TIME. There is no pyramid, just a small army of investors running nodes for daily earnings with no obligation to anyone other than themselves.

On XMR vs DRK, both are interesting coins. The big difference for me is that DRK is working & scalable RIGHT NOW whereas XMR is more like an experiment. The market appears to agree.

Of course, the recent DRK price action could be an EVO-related pump to clean coins, although this would in fact be a good demonstration of DRK utility.
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