XMR vs DRK

[majamina]

When I was involved with Dash(Darkcoin), most masternodes were hosted on Amazon and in the hot wallets. Its up for speculation though, he made it seem as if cold wallets was where coins are only stored, which isnt true.

When was that?

Things have moved on, pretty much everyone you see commenting on the community threads are doing cold wallets.

I'm sure there are some hot wallets still, but with strong encryption keys I'd wager.

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[oaxaca]

If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.

Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take.

Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets.

ALL the how-to guides use hot/cold.  I'd be willing to wager that there are fewer than 10 "hot" nodes.  Tough to prove though.

[Joshuar]

Taking down the masternodes stops any mixings from happening, which is what was being said. Again, taking down the anonymity from (x) point on, is not the same as breaking into anonymity. If you're going to troll, at least make sense and be relevant to what was being said.

You should also learn of mining, where new coins come into existence, eh? Without masternodes how would they be mixed? Troll...

As I said earlier, not equally. The government will have a hell of a easier time forcing masternode owners to give themselves in or just taking down the servers the masternodes are hosted on, than forcing users of Monero or Zerocash to do the same. It's a hell of a lot harder for the gov to do that to users of coins that dont utilize external masternodes to provide anonymity(monero).

For non gov entities, I suppose finding another flaw in darksends rounds, or a flaw in masternodes themselves would be much more plausible.

Look, people host MNs on VPS cos it's easy to do and the workload is lightweight (presently). You think if Guv started going after VPS people would still host on there? No, they'd host in just the same places that Monero workloads are hosted, meaning the challenge of finding the nodes would be equitable.

Anyway, the point is that guv/TLA is an unassailable adversary - they're going to win whatever you do.

The real-world, fit-for-purpose debate has to be around lesser adversaries, so give me just one example of such an adversary who could mount a successful attack on a 2,400 strong network of nodes spread across 30+ countries.

I know, I'm saying that you cannot compare these coins equally, since taking down a coin's anonymity with masternodes like Dash is much easier than taking down a coin that doesn't use masternodes like Monero.. Thats it. If a scenario came where the government was banning all use of cryptocurrencies etc, you can expect masternodes on coins to be one of the first things taken down by the government.

The challenge of finding the nodes? The ip's of all masternodes are in the open.

I gave an example of someone finding another flaw in darksends code and being able to deanonymize transactions, or finding a flaw in the masternodes themselves.

Prove your claim, otherwise its conjecture.

Anyone can spout anything they want, without evidence its just bullshit.


Prove your claim

Are you trolling? Most masternodes are hosted on centralized servers online, such as Amazon. The government can easily subpoena Amazon or simply forcefully take control of the server the masternodes are hosted on. Ring Signatures has been around for over a decade, monero uses no external nodes to rely on for anonymity, meaning it'd be much harder for a gov entity to do the same thing to Monero than it could do to Dash.

You dont seriously need a explanation for something this mediocre do you...

Prove anonymity can be broken easier in dash, not that a single country can take over a vps. That requires demonstrative evidence, not your opinion.

Prove anonymity can be broken in dash easier than monero.
I will help

1. break anonymity in dash
2. break animosity in monero
3. compare resources required for step 1 and 2

See you have a logic failure, to claim anonymity can be broken easier in dash than monero, PRESUPPOSES anonymity can be broken in either. You have literally argued monero is flawed. Well done.

Do you even know what was being discussed, troll? We're not talking about breaking the anonymity(To which it would still be easier to do for Dash), but for how easy it would be for a gov to take down the anonymity/coin.

Go back under your troll bridge thanks.

Let me help you out, not discussing anonymity? Look up a little to the giant bold letters.

since taking down a coin's anonymity with masternodes like Dash is much easier than taking down a coin that doesn't use masternodes like Monero/

Since I call out your easily proved lies and logically fallacies I'm a troll.  

I said taking down anonymity, are you dumb? Is taking down anonymity synonymous with breaking into the anonymity?No. So, please, get educated.

Then you are misinformed, coins are pre-mixed. Once mixed, all master nodes can vanish. Anonymity remains, and yes you can use a cold wallet, since last summer.

[5w00p]

Can we please chill with the HUGE quotation segments in this thread?

[Joshuar]

If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.

Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take.

Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets.

ALL the how-to guides use hot/cold.  I'd be willing to wager that there are fewer than 10 "hot" nodes.  Tough to prove though.

This was your statement, "Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take", your statement was phrased in the way that suggested all coins were on cold wallets, which isn't true. You were wrong.

[majamina]

If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.

Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take.

Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets.

ALL the how-to guides use hot/cold.  I'd be willing to wager that there are fewer than 10 "hot" nodes.  Tough to prove though.

Anyway, even with a hot wallet what's to stop you moving the node? You'd just send the coins somewhere else and start again.

[xxxgoodgirls]

https://dashtalk.org/threads/masternode-on-raspberry-pi-2-model-b.4083/

The distribuition of the nodes across the word will get better day by day.

[Joshuar]

If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.

Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take.

Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets.

ALL the how-to guides use hot/cold.  I'd be willing to wager that there are fewer than 10 "hot" nodes.  Tough to prove though.

Anyway, even with a hot wallet what's to stop you moving the node? You'd just send the coins somewhere else and start again.

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

[majamina]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

Yes there would. You'd just send the coins somewhere else, then start again.

Or are you talking about a masternode owner has no backup of his wallet or private keys?

[iCEBREAKER]

Well it's disappointing to get up this morning and find the thread only talking about 'instamine'. I realise that DASH opponents see good reason to keep this going, but I also think it's a topic that's been done to absolute death with every possible angle having been explored on these forums.

Endless re-iteration is not a characteristic of reasonable debate. In a formal debate both sides generally have a set time to state their case on a topic, after which it would be closed and those witnessing the debate would be left to make up their minds.

Both sides have had endless opportunity to state their 'Instamine' case, so at least in this thread we should close the topic and keep things moving with fresh or unexplored aspects of DASH vs XMR.

New evidence has come to light, and we must in that context reconsider the instamine issue.

VIA coredev Drak has identified THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION's CEO, Ed Moncadas (aka Masternode), as an insider trader and extortionist with a shady background in gambling and altcoin pumping.

This changes our former good-faith assumptions about the instamine.

Before we could with some confidence attribute to incompetence what others may uncharitably attribute to malice.

In the old narrative, the instamine was actually a serendipitous little oopsy-mine, just part of the shambling shit-show that was Darkcoin's launch.

In the new post-Drak revelation story, the instamine becomes part of a larger pattern and continuing practice of fraud.

now I should know better than to reply to you, but that is a highly dubious accusation....i.e. a massive load of hairy old bollocks.

Waving your hands around doesn't counter Drak's credibility.

Drak is a reputable member of the BTC community.  You and Masternode are not.

Drak's accusations are disconcerting, to say the least, and put the supposed "oopsy" mine in a new light.

[oaxaca]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

Guess you've never backed up a wallet.

[Gladimor]

DASH has anonymity ADDED as a FEATURE.

XMR has anonymity BUILT-IN TO THE PROTOCOL as a FUNCTION.



So next time, if anyone asks which coin is more "anonymous", I think you guys have an answer right here.

[majamina]

Waving your hands around doesn't counter Drak's credibility.

Drak is a reputable member of the BTC community.  You and Masternode are not.

Drak's accusations are disconcerting, to say the least, and put the supposed "oopsy" mine in a new light.

OK well I suggest we stick to reasonable XMR vs DRK debate in here, rather than hearsay, conjecture and unsubstantiated accusations. I'm sure there are other threads for that.

[Joshuar]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

Yes there would. You'd just send the coins somewhere else, then start again.

Or are you talking about a masternode owner has no backup of his wallet or private keys?

It's like a hacker getting someone's bitcoin wallet and saying that the original owner of the bitcoin wallet has a chance of getting his coins back.

Even if he has a backup, if the server with the node with 1k in the hot wallet's being hosted on is compromised, then theres practically no chance of them just sending the coins somewhere else(The attacker would send it to their wallet).

I dont know the % of users that have their coins in cold or hot wallets, so this is all speculation on both sides though.

[xxxgoodgirls]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

You'd must be holding the 1k vin on the same server who's running the daemon. Almost no one (if not on one) is doing it, cause it is extremely stupid. Can't prove it tho

[Joshuar]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

You'd must be holding the 1k vin on the same server who's running the daemon. Almost no one (if not on one) is doing it, cause it is extremely stupid. Can't prove it tho

Yea thats what I meant, just speculation truly.

[majamina]

DASH has anonymity ADDED as a FEATURE.

XMR has anonymity BUILT-IN TO THE PROTOCOL as a FUNCTION.

So next time, if anyone asks which coin is more "anonymous", I think you guys have an answer right here.

Yeah maybe, but is the question of which coins are 'more anonymous' the question people need to ask?

What about the question of which coins are fit-for-purpose and have useful features that people want to use?

[oaxaca]

Even if he has a backup, if the server the node with 1k in the hot wallet's being hosted on is compromised, then theres practically no chance of them just sending the coins somewhere else(The attacker would send it to their wallet).

I'm out.  This "discussion" is going nowhere.  What's the point of trying to discuss issues with people who have no clue.

[majamina]

If the server the masternode was hosted on was compromised and the 1k in the hot wallet, then there'd be no moving the node.

Yes there would. You'd just send the coins somewhere else, then start again.

Or are you talking about a masternode owner has no backup of his wallet or private keys?

It's like a hacker getting someone's bitcoin wallet and saying that the original owner of the bitcoin wallet has a chance of getting his coins back.

Even if he has a backup, if the server with the node with 1k in the hot wallet's being hosted on is compromised, then theres practically no chance of them just sending the coins somewhere else(The attacker would send it to their wallet).

I dont know the % of users that have their coins in cold or hot wallets, so this is all speculation on both sides though.

So now you're assuming that the hacker has brute-forced the wallet encryption key on the rare masternode he was lucky to find with a hot wallet?

interesting assumptions there dude.

[Joshuar]

Even if he has a backup, if the server the node with 1k in the hot wallet's being hosted on is compromised, then theres practically no chance of them just sending the coins somewhere else(The attacker would send it to their wallet).

I'm out.  This "discussion" is going nowhere.  What's the point of trying to discuss issues with people who have no clue.

If the coins are held on the masternode and not a cold wallet, that masternode isnt reappearing anywhere. The gov can just take control of the servers the masternodes are hosted on.

Coins are stored in cold wallets.  Nothing on the servers to take.

Dont lie please. Cold wallet storage is optional, most masternodes probably still have the 1k dark in the hot wallets.