Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[Moloch]

Why was the flood necessary?

What flood?

Chinese history goes back more than 5000 years, and makes no mention of a worldwide flood.  If there was a worldwide flood that killed everyone except 9 people (who were clearly not Chinese), China would not have such a history.

Biblical flood myth disproved by science... easy peasy

[Astargath]

Why was the flood necessary?

What flood?

Chinese history goes back more than 5000 years, and makes no mention of a worldwide flood.  If there was a worldwide flood that killed everyone except 9 people (who were clearly not Chinese), China would not have such a history.

Biblical flood myth disproved by science... easy peasy

''Biblical flood myth disproved by science'' That wont work with badecker, we are past scientific evidence. Only thing left is to make him realize how stupid and illogical it is.

[Moloch]

Why was the flood necessary?

What flood?

Chinese history goes back more than 5000 years, and makes no mention of a worldwide flood.  If there was a worldwide flood that killed everyone except 9 people (who were clearly not Chinese), China would not have such a history.

Biblical flood myth disproved by science... easy peasy

''Biblical flood myth disproved by science'' That wont work with badecker, we are past scientific evidence. Only thing left is to make him realize how stupid and illogical it is.

It amazes me that someone denies evolution, but believes the flood killed all but 9 people (all from the same family)... and within a couple thousand years we have Chinese, whites, blacks, Indians, and all sorts of variations...

That is literally evolution, except even faster than science proposes it happened... no scientist would claim that all the races on earth evolved in only ~3000 years, but religion claims this happened... yet denies evolution exists at the same time... quite a paradox

[Astargath]

Why was the flood necessary?

What flood?

Chinese history goes back more than 5000 years, and makes no mention of a worldwide flood.  If there was a worldwide flood that killed everyone except 9 people (who were clearly not Chinese), China would not have such a history.

Biblical flood myth disproved by science... easy peasy

''Biblical flood myth disproved by science'' That wont work with badecker, we are past scientific evidence. Only thing left is to make him realize how stupid and illogical it is.

It amazes me that someone denies evolution, but believes the flood killed all but 9 people (all from the same family)... and within a couple thousand years we have Chinese, whites, blacks, Indians, and all sorts of variations...

That is literally evolution, except even faster than science proposes it happened... no scientist would claim that all the races on earth evolved in only ~3000 years, but religion claims this happened... yet denies evolution exists at the same time... quite a paradox

What can you expect from people who believe that all the languages we have originated because god was ''angry'' (A god cannot be angry) and decided to mess up with the people that were building the babel tower and make them speak different languages.

How can anyone sane believe that?

It's also amazing how they are always defending free will but it seems to me that in the bible God is punishing people all the time for using their free will, essentially destroying it.

[joappa]

Acouple of weekends ago, I attended what was perhaps the Christian non-event of the year, the Christian Book Expo in Dallas. Organizers had expected 15,000 to walk the aisles, meeting authors and buying books. Only 1,500 showed up. One thing people did show up for, though, was to hear the atheist.

[BADecker]

When yu read about Ancient Israel in the Old Testament, you will see that they often forsook God and were punished for it. It's always been like that for people of all nations. It's just happening in the USA, now. Nothing different.

But there may be something different this time. The things that are happening in the world of today, are things that match the prophesies that Jesus made about the end times. We may be closer than ever to the time when Jesus returns.

AI is being prepared that just might be great enough for the Soul of Satan to ride within it... so that the release of the great dragon at the end times may be extremely near.

[dippididodaday]

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

The answer is simple: Atheists hate religion because religion is at the root of all inflicted injustices still ongoing, since the beginning of time. It is this very virus that has caused countless suffering and annihilation, spreading like a vicious cancer in its wake, infesting homo sapiens left and right into lethargic torpid zombies, feeding upon itself till exuberance of its toxicity has infiltrated and corrupted the very last pinnacles of homo sapientian civilizations.

But a thunderous shot across the bow has been heard in recent times. Religion has finally, after hellish millennia, been stunned, and nail after nail, with victorious force, have steadily been driven down into the coffin of this absolute ominous and abominous pest, with sustainable lasting results.

There is some [common] sense left in this cancerous environment, a antidote if you will. It is called Atheism. And nowadays Atheists have indeed grown into a formidable force of retribution, to eviscerate this cancerous plague called religion. Long live Atheism!

[BADecker]

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

The answer is simple: Atheists hate religion because religion is at the root of all inflicted injustices still ongoing, since the beginning of time. It is this very virus that has caused countless suffering and annihilation, spreading like a vicious cancer in its wake, infesting homo sapiens left and right into lethargic torpid zombies, feeding upon itself till exuberance of its toxicity has infiltrated and corrupted the very last pinnacles of homo sapientian civilizations.

But a thunderous shot across the bow has been heard in recent times. Religion has finally, after hellish millennia, been stunned, and nail after nail, with victorious force, have steadily been driven down into the coffin of this absolute ominous and abominous pest, with sustainable lasting results.

There is some [common] sense left in this cancerous environment, a antidote if you will. It is called Atheism. And nowadays Atheists have indeed grown into a formidable force of retribution, to eviscerate this cancerous plague called religion. Long live Atheism!

Are religious people different than non-religious people? Yes and no.

No. They all breathe air. They all drink water. They all eat food. They all think and learn.

Yes. Religious people work diligently at things. Non-religious people don't.

It's in the definition of the word religion. See #6 and other parts of religion in the dictionary:

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

If an atheist hates religion, he isn't really hating religion. Why not? Hate is a very strong word. Hate is a point or matter of ethics or conscience, just like the dictionary definition says. This means that an atheist doesn't hate religion. If he did, he would stop hating. As it is, he is doing the exact thing that he purportedly is hating... if he hates religion.

If a so-called atheist hates religion, what he really hates is some form of violence, something that happened to him in early life, the fact that some people have more wealth than he does, perhaps an illness that he has, his own messed-up life in general, or any of a multitude of things that go on in life. But the fact that he hates, shows that he has a religion, because hate is tied to something that one believes in and follows devotedly... a revulsion towards something.

To suggest that an atheist hates religion is to suggest that an atheist hates himself. While this may be true in some cases, it generally isn't. More explanation is necessary. The difference lies in organized religion.

For example. There might be many atheists who hate the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion has a place of worship. They have formal scrolls and books of doctrine. They often know each other and practice their religious activities together. But the atheist hate religion doesn't do these things very often... although they are getting together more and more to do something with their hate religion these days. Their meeting place might be a Denny's restaurant conference room. They get to know each other. They actually write up plans how they are going to demonstrate against the Jews, etc.

The atheist hate religion is becoming more formal all the time.

[Astargath]

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

The answer is simple: Atheists hate religion because religion is at the root of all inflicted injustices still ongoing, since the beginning of time. It is this very virus that has caused countless suffering and annihilation, spreading like a vicious cancer in its wake, infesting homo sapiens left and right into lethargic torpid zombies, feeding upon itself till exuberance of its toxicity has infiltrated and corrupted the very last pinnacles of homo sapientian civilizations.

But a thunderous shot across the bow has been heard in recent times. Religion has finally, after hellish millennia, been stunned, and nail after nail, with victorious force, have steadily been driven down into the coffin of this absolute ominous and abominous pest, with sustainable lasting results.

There is some [common] sense left in this cancerous environment, a antidote if you will. It is called Atheism. And nowadays Atheists have indeed grown into a formidable force of retribution, to eviscerate this cancerous plague called religion. Long live Atheism!

Are religious people different than non-religious people? Yes and no.

No. They all breathe air. They all drink water. They all eat food. They all think and learn.

Yes. Religious people work diligently at things. Non-religious people don't.

It's in the definition of the word religion. See #6 and other parts of religion in the dictionary:

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

If an atheist hates religion, he isn't really hating religion. Why not? Hate is a very strong word. Hate is a point or matter of ethics or conscience, just like the dictionary definition says. This means that an atheist doesn't hate religion. If he did, he would stop hating. As it is, he is doing the exact thing that he purportedly is hating... if he hates religion.

If a so-called atheist hates religion, what he really hates is some form of violence, something that happened to him in early life, the fact that some people have more wealth than he does, perhaps an illness that he has, his own messed-up life in general, or any of a multitude of things that go on in life. But the fact that he hates, shows that he has a religion, because hate is tied to something that one believes in and follows devotedly... a revulsion towards something.

To suggest that an atheist hates religion is to suggest that an atheist hates himself. While this may be true in some cases, it generally isn't. More explanation is necessary. The difference lies in organized religion.

For example. There might be many atheists who hate the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion has a place of worship. They have formal scrolls and books of doctrine. They often know each other and practice their religious activities together. But the atheist hate religion doesn't do these things very often... although they are getting together more and more to do something with their hate religion these days. Their meeting place might be a Denny's restaurant conference room. They get to know each other. The actually write up plans how they are going to demonstrate against the Jews, etc.

The atheist hate religion is becoming more formal all the time.

Get it right:

Religion = believing non sense when it's not scientifically proven to be true or even close to it.

[BADecker]

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

The answer is simple: Atheists hate religion because religion is at the root of all inflicted injustices still ongoing, since the beginning of time. It is this very virus that has caused countless suffering and annihilation, spreading like a vicious cancer in its wake, infesting homo sapiens left and right into lethargic torpid zombies, feeding upon itself till exuberance of its toxicity has infiltrated and corrupted the very last pinnacles of homo sapientian civilizations.

But a thunderous shot across the bow has been heard in recent times. Religion has finally, after hellish millennia, been stunned, and nail after nail, with victorious force, have steadily been driven down into the coffin of this absolute ominous and abominous pest, with sustainable lasting results.

There is some [common] sense left in this cancerous environment, a antidote if you will. It is called Atheism. And nowadays Atheists have indeed grown into a formidable force of retribution, to eviscerate this cancerous plague called religion. Long live Atheism!

Are religious people different than non-religious people? Yes and no.

No. They all breathe air. They all drink water. They all eat food. They all think and learn.

Yes. Religious people work diligently at things. Non-religious people don't.

It's in the definition of the word religion. See #6 and other parts of religion in the dictionary:

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

If an atheist hates religion, he isn't really hating religion. Why not? Hate is a very strong word. Hate is a point or matter of ethics or conscience, just like the dictionary definition says. This means that an atheist doesn't hate religion. If he did, he would stop hating. As it is, he is doing the exact thing that he purportedly is hating... if he hates religion.

If a so-called atheist hates religion, what he really hates is some form of violence, something that happened to him in early life, the fact that some people have more wealth than he does, perhaps an illness that he has, his own messed-up life in general, or any of a multitude of things that go on in life. But the fact that he hates, shows that he has a religion, because hate is tied to something that one believes in and follows devotedly... a revulsion towards something.

To suggest that an atheist hates religion is to suggest that an atheist hates himself. While this may be true in some cases, it generally isn't. More explanation is necessary. The difference lies in organized religion.

For example. There might be many atheists who hate the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion has a place of worship. They have formal scrolls and books of doctrine. They often know each other and practice their religious activities together. But the atheist hate religion doesn't do these things very often... although they are getting together more and more to do something with their hate religion these days. Their meeting place might be a Denny's restaurant conference room. They get to know each other. The actually write up plans how they are going to demonstrate against the Jews, etc.

The atheist hate religion is becoming more formal all the time.

Get it right:

Religion = believing non sense when it's not scientifically proven to be true or even close to it.

Get it right:

Science is religion because it has as much nonsense in it as any other religion. This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.

[Astargath]

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

The answer is simple: Atheists hate religion because religion is at the root of all inflicted injustices still ongoing, since the beginning of time. It is this very virus that has caused countless suffering and annihilation, spreading like a vicious cancer in its wake, infesting homo sapiens left and right into lethargic torpid zombies, feeding upon itself till exuberance of its toxicity has infiltrated and corrupted the very last pinnacles of homo sapientian civilizations.

But a thunderous shot across the bow has been heard in recent times. Religion has finally, after hellish millennia, been stunned, and nail after nail, with victorious force, have steadily been driven down into the coffin of this absolute ominous and abominous pest, with sustainable lasting results.

There is some [common] sense left in this cancerous environment, a antidote if you will. It is called Atheism. And nowadays Atheists have indeed grown into a formidable force of retribution, to eviscerate this cancerous plague called religion. Long live Atheism!

Are religious people different than non-religious people? Yes and no.

No. They all breathe air. They all drink water. They all eat food. They all think and learn.

Yes. Religious people work diligently at things. Non-religious people don't.

It's in the definition of the word religion. See #6 and other parts of religion in the dictionary:

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

If an atheist hates religion, he isn't really hating religion. Why not? Hate is a very strong word. Hate is a point or matter of ethics or conscience, just like the dictionary definition says. This means that an atheist doesn't hate religion. If he did, he would stop hating. As it is, he is doing the exact thing that he purportedly is hating... if he hates religion.

If a so-called atheist hates religion, what he really hates is some form of violence, something that happened to him in early life, the fact that some people have more wealth than he does, perhaps an illness that he has, his own messed-up life in general, or any of a multitude of things that go on in life. But the fact that he hates, shows that he has a religion, because hate is tied to something that one believes in and follows devotedly... a revulsion towards something.

To suggest that an atheist hates religion is to suggest that an atheist hates himself. While this may be true in some cases, it generally isn't. More explanation is necessary. The difference lies in organized religion.

For example. There might be many atheists who hate the Jewish religion. The Jewish religion has a place of worship. They have formal scrolls and books of doctrine. They often know each other and practice their religious activities together. But the atheist hate religion doesn't do these things very often... although they are getting together more and more to do something with their hate religion these days. Their meeting place might be a Denny's restaurant conference room. They get to know each other. The actually write up plans how they are going to demonstrate against the Jews, etc.

The atheist hate religion is becoming more formal all the time.

Get it right:

Religion = believing non sense when it's not scientifically proven to be true or even close to it.

Get it right:

Science is religion because it has as much nonsense in it as any other religion. This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.

''This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.'' Again with the logic of a 5 year old, so everything that exists has to make sense, there is nothing that has nonsense and exists right?

[BADecker]

Get it right:

Science is religion because it has as much nonsense in it as any other religion. This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.

Scientific theories confirmed by observations or physical evidence are pretty solid. As close to a fact as you can get.

You are probably thinking about scientific theories that have not been confirmed by observations or physical evidence yet and you are calling them nonsense.

Usually these unconfirmed theories are based on a little more than sentences someone wrote in a book.

Religions on the other hand have some wild, supernatural claims, and flat out false information (6000 year old Earth, virgin conception, winged horses and 6 day creation comes to mind)

Then there is Big Bang, of course. Using a bare minimum of mathematical theorems, BB attempts to show how the universe came about from a big explosion. Yet it depends on other theory and ideas to explain how the complexity that we have in the universe could ever come about through an explosion.

Marvel Avengers movies do a better job of explaining the universe than BB.

[BADecker]

Get it right:

Science is religion because it has as much nonsense in it as any other religion. This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.

Scientific theories confirmed by observations or physical evidence are pretty solid. As close to a fact as you can get.

You are probably thinking about scientific theories that have not been confirmed by observations or physical evidence yet and you are calling them nonsense.

Usually these unconfirmed theories are based on a little more than sentences someone wrote in a book.

Religions on the other hand have some wild, supernatural claims, and flat out false information (6000 year old Earth, virgin conception, winged horses and 6 day creation comes to mind)

Then there is Big Bang, of course. Using a bare minimum of mathematical theorems, BB attempts to show how the universe came about from a big explosion. Yet it depends on other theory and ideas to explain how the complexity that we have in the universe could ever come about through an explosion.

Marvel Avengers movies do a better job of explaining the universe than BB.

What has been proven is that the early universe was much, much smaller, and that the universe is expanding.  The further away from Earth the object is the faster it moves away.  The pulling (Dark Energy) and pushing (Dark Matter and ordinary matter) tug of war is going on everywhere in the universe.  In our backyard, the Dark Matter is winning so we are ok for now.

You want to hear and see the remnant signals of the Big Bang, turn on your TV and switch to an OTA channel with no programming.  

What has not been observed is the actual beginning of the Big Bang.

There are some theories that say that our universe came about from a singularity of a black hole somewhere in another universe.  But they have not been confirmed by evidence.

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

[Astargath]

Get it right:

Science is religion because it has as much nonsense in it as any other religion. This is evident by the fact that the religions wouldn't exist if they had nonsense in them.

Scientific theories confirmed by observations or physical evidence are pretty solid. As close to a fact as you can get.

You are probably thinking about scientific theories that have not been confirmed by observations or physical evidence yet and you are calling them nonsense.

Usually these unconfirmed theories are based on a little more than sentences someone wrote in a book.

Religions on the other hand have some wild, supernatural claims, and flat out false information (6000 year old Earth, virgin conception, winged horses and 6 day creation comes to mind)

Then there is Big Bang, of course. Using a bare minimum of mathematical theorems, BB attempts to show how the universe came about from a big explosion. Yet it depends on other theory and ideas to explain how the complexity that we have in the universe could ever come about through an explosion.

Marvel Avengers movies do a better job of explaining the universe than BB.

What has been proven is that the early universe was much, much smaller, and that the universe is expanding.  The further away from Earth the object is the faster it moves away.  The pulling (Dark Energy) and pushing (Dark Matter and ordinary matter) tug of war is going on everywhere in the universe.  In our backyard, the Dark Matter is winning so we are ok for now.

You want to hear and see the remnant signals of the Big Bang, turn on your TV and switch to an OTA channel with no programming.  

What has not been observed is the actual beginning of the Big Bang.

There are some theories that say that our universe came about from a singularity of a black hole somewhere in another universe.  But they have not been confirmed by evidence.

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

Yeah, you are mentally challenged. You keep yelling your classic ''Except that nobody has proven that BB existed'' Except we have scientific evidence for it unlike god, yet you believe god exists and you don't believe the big bang happened, your mind doesn't work.

[Moloch]

BTW, if science finds out that God/alien civilization created our universe, maybe we'll be able to figure out how to communicate with it, and we'll learn more about it.

I for one would have so many questions...

The answer to the question you didn't ask is... spending eternity doing the same thing is boring... life is not boring because, surprise!

If you have other questions for me, just ask  

[BADecker]

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

Did you see the CMB on your TV?

BTW, if science finds out that God/alien civilization created our universe, maybe we'll be able to figure out how to communicate with it, and we'll learn more about it.

I for one would have so many questions...

I don't have or own a TV.
I don't know what CMB you are referring to.

Science already found that God created the universe. How? By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. Whatever created the universe is God, just to be able to create such complexity. See the Scientific proof that God exists? thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

[Astargath]

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

Did you see the CMB on your TV?

BTW, if science finds out that God/alien civilization created our universe, maybe we'll be able to figure out how to communicate with it, and we'll learn more about it.

I for one would have so many questions...

I don't have or own a TV.
I don't know what CMB you are referring to.

Science already found that God created the universe. How? By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. Whatever created the universe is God, just to be able to create such complexity. See the Scientific proof that God exists? thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

''By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. '' When was this quantified? Is there a calculation of how complex the universe is? Can you tell us how complex the universe is then? From a scale of 0-100?

[BADecker]

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

Did you see the CMB on your TV?

BTW, if science finds out that God/alien civilization created our universe, maybe we'll be able to figure out how to communicate with it, and we'll learn more about it.

I for one would have so many questions...

I don't have or own a TV.
I don't know what CMB you are referring to.

Science already found that God created the universe. How? By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. Whatever created the universe is God, just to be able to create such complexity. See the Scientific proof that God exists? thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

''By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. '' When was this quantified? Is there a calculation of how complex the universe is? Can you tell us how complex the universe is then? From a scale of 0-100?

Do you think that scientists are not trying to keep a person alive in top health for 500 years or longer? Don't you realize that it is the complexity of nature and life that is thwarting them? Even the best that is offered by scientists and researchers in this single area, is still beat by nature in a few areas of the world... like the Hunza's, or the people of Vilcabamba, Ecuador, who drink of ancient, melting glacial mineral waters.

Nature has us beat for complexity all over the place.

[Astargath]

Except that nobody has proven that BB existed. But if they somehow do, all that they will be proving is that BB is God, and that it was God that created everything.

Back to religion again.

Did you see the CMB on your TV?

BTW, if science finds out that God/alien civilization created our universe, maybe we'll be able to figure out how to communicate with it, and we'll learn more about it.

I for one would have so many questions...

I don't have or own a TV.
I don't know what CMB you are referring to.

Science already found that God created the universe. How? By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. Whatever created the universe is God, just to be able to create such complexity. See the Scientific proof that God exists? thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0.

''By finding out how complex the universe is in every way. '' When was this quantified? Is there a calculation of how complex the universe is? Can you tell us how complex the universe is then? From a scale of 0-100?

Do you think that scientists are not trying to keep a person alive in top health for 500 years or longer? Don't you realize that it is the complexity of nature and life that is thwarting them? Even the best that is offered by scientists and researchers in this single area, is still beat by nature in a few areas of the world... like the Hunza's, or the people of Vilcabamba, Ecuador, who drink of ancient, melting glacial mineral waters.

Nature has us beat for complexity all over the place.

No, you said '' By finding out how complex the universe is in every way.'' And I asked you, how complex is it? Is there a number to the complexity of it or are you just pulling it out of your ass? What are you defining complexity as?

 Neil Johnson states that "even among scientists, there is no unique definition of complexity – and the scientific notion has traditionally been conveyed using particular examples..." Ultimately Johnson adopts the definition of "complexity science" as "the study of the phenomena which emerge from a collection of interacting objects"

[BADecker]

Do you think that scientists are not trying to keep a person alive in top health for 500 years or longer? Don't you realize that it is the complexity of nature and life that is thwarting them? Even the best that is offered by scientists and researchers in this single area, is still beat by nature in a few areas of the world... like the Hunza's, or the people of Vilcabamba, Ecuador, who drink of ancient, melting glacial mineral waters.

Nature has us beat for complexity all over the place.

No, you said '' By finding out how complex the universe is in every way.'' And I asked you, how complex is it? Is there a number to the complexity of it or are you just pulling it out of your ass? What are you defining complexity as?

 Neil Johnson states that "even among scientists, there is no unique definition of complexity – and the scientific notion has traditionally been conveyed using particular examples..." Ultimately Johnson adopts the definition of "complexity science" as "the study of the phenomena which emerge from a collection of interacting objects"

You and everyone else can continue to ask all kinds of questions about all kinds of things. So what?

The point that Neil Johnson is making is that we are so inadequate regarding understanding complexity, that there is no clear definition.

The point that complexity shows is that only something like God can make such complexity. We have no evidence of anything else that can do it. Do you want a description of God? You will get some of it in the resurrection... or by reading the bible.