What's your opinion of gun control?

[Spendulus]

To defend ourselves we should have allowance to carry weapon.
I don't say I'm not humanist or anything other. I say carrying weapon may be really needed sometimes.

A compete ban on the possession of all types of fire-arms by the civilians can be enforced, in case the government succeeds in bringing down the crime rate to zero. If they are unable to do it, then there is no point in persecuting the ordinary citizens, who just want to defend themselves from the violent criminals, who indulge in home invasions and burglaries.

Sure there is a point, and it is the central point - increasing and maintaining control over the ordinary citizen.   It never did and does not have anything to do with relations between guns and crime, or the prevention of crime.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

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[CryptInvest]

Everyone should be able to protect themselves and their loved ones. For this purpose it is necessary to allow free carrying of weapons to those citizens who are recognized as adequate.

[Nimbulan]

Everyone should be able to protect themselves and their loved ones. For this purpose it is necessary to allow free carrying of weapons to those citizens who are recognized as adequate.

I wish it was possible in Europe... At least in my country, it's really hard to even have a 9mm pistol. It's not even legal to own old weapons like WW2 Mosin-Nagant :/

[TheButterZone]

Everyone should be able to protect themselves and their loved ones. For this purpose it is necessary to allow free carrying of weapons to those citizens who are recognized as adequate.

Recognized by whom?

[Spendulus]

Everyone should be able to protect themselves and their loved ones. For this purpose it is necessary to allow free carrying of weapons to those citizens who are recognized as adequate.

I wish it was possible in Europe... At least in my country, it's really hard to even have a 9mm pistol. It's not even legal to own old weapons like WW2 Mosin-Nagant :/

Can you or are you allowed to get 22LR pistols or rifles?

Just curious.

They seem to be my personal favorite, although of course not considered true defense weapons.

[kydranel]

Why contorl a gun when you can control a person to not control the gun against human violations. Its us who needs discipline but off course words are not enough. But if this goes on and on, it might lead to different ways. But i approve this. Guns should not be obtained easily. and the government should do a thing on illegal fire arms.

[Nimbulan]

Everyone should be able to protect themselves and their loved ones. For this purpose it is necessary to allow free carrying of weapons to those citizens who are recognized as adequate.

I wish it was possible in Europe... At least in my country, it's really hard to even have a 9mm pistol. It's not even legal to own old weapons like WW2 Mosin-Nagant :/

Can you or are you allowed to get 22LR pistols or rifles?

Just curious.

They seem to be my personal favorite, although of course not considered true defense weapons.

22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

[tvbcof]

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22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

That's news to me.  I hunt because I and my friends and family like the meat which is not infused with whatever they are putting into factory-farmed animals and I can help the Fish and Wildlife people achieve the ecological balance that they would like for the herds in the area.  I have enough land to get elk tags automatically though.

[Spendulus]

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22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

That's news to me.  I hunt because I and my friends and family like the meat which is not infused with whatever they are putting into factory-farmed animals and I can help the Fish and Wildlife people achieve the ecological balance that they would like for the herds in the area.  I have enough land to get elk tags automatically though.

22 ain't gonna work for that, unless you want to go tracking.

[BADecker]

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22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

That's news to me.  I hunt because I and my friends and family like the meat which is not infused with whatever they are putting into factory-farmed animals and I can help the Fish and Wildlife people achieve the ecological balance that they would like for the herds in the area.  I have enough land to get elk tags automatically though.

22 ain't gonna work for that, unless you want to go tracking.

Get one of those .22 drum fed automatics that shoots over 2000 rounds a minute. You can carve a lot of things up with it.

[tvbcof]

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22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

That's news to me.  I hunt because I and my friends and family like the meat which is not infused with whatever they are putting into factory-farmed animals and I can help the Fish and Wildlife people achieve the ecological balance that they would like for the herds in the area.  I have enough land to get elk tags automatically though.

22 ain't gonna work for that, unless you want to go tracking.

Get one of those .22 drum fed automatics that shoots over 2000 rounds a minute. You can carve a lot of things up with it.

That would still most likely just piss off an elk and make it uncomfortable with a bunch of small lead lumps under it's hide.  I've got a 300 win mag for these animals.  If I need to take them from my newly prepared area I could probably do so with a 12 ga slug due to the topography, but I would like to make this be an area where they feel safe and comfortable.  I checked yesterday and there is cropped grass and elk droppings so it is working.  This winter I'll prepare some more area as pasture for this purpose.  I hope to fill both of my tags from the ridge in a different part of my property, and do the shooting from the valley floor.  That's what the win mag is good for.

[hangar18]

Gun's don't cause violence. If violent people want to go crazy and kill people, they'll find ways to do it with or without guns.

[zenitzz]

Gun's don't cause violence. If violent people want to go crazy and kill people, they'll find ways to do it with or without guns.

It's when crazy people who are not stable get ahold of guns. There needs to be tighter controls on who is able to carry. Better screening, interview process, psychological profile?

[TheButterZone]

Gun's don't cause violence. If violent people want to go crazy and kill people, they'll find ways to do it with or without guns.

It's when crazy people who are not stable get ahold of guns. There needs to be tighter controls on who is able to carry. Better screening, interview process, psychological profile?

Which would not control all who are able to carry or get a hold of guns.

[Spendulus]

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22LR rifles are allowed for trainings and hunting, but in order to be a hunter, you have to have lots of money and passion for drinking after every hunt. About .22 pistols - honestly, I have no idea.

That's news to me.  I hunt because I and my friends and family like the meat which is not infused with whatever they are putting into factory-farmed animals and I can help the Fish and Wildlife people achieve the ecological balance that they would like for the herds in the area.  I have enough land to get elk tags automatically though.

22 ain't gonna work for that, unless you want to go tracking.

Get one of those .22 drum fed automatics that shoots over 2000 rounds a minute. You can carve a lot of things up with it.

That would still most likely just piss off an elk and make it uncomfortable with a bunch of small lead lumps under it's hide.  I've got a 300 win mag for these animals.  If I need to take them from my newly prepared area I could probably do so with a 12 ga slug due to the topography, but I would like to make this be an area where they feel safe and comfortable.  I checked yesterday and there is cropped grass and elk droppings so it is working.  This winter I'll prepare some more area as pasture for this purpose.  I hope to fill both of my tags from the ridge in a different part of my property, and do the shooting from the valley floor.  That's what the win mag is good for.

Yep, you got all that right.  And you don't want to go on a half hour hunt for that bleeding animal, and then haul the carcass back.  Question - are you of the opinion the 223 is no good for this?  What distance, anyway?

Oh, regarding the 2000 rpm suggestion.  Nope, you'd get exactly one shot at that elk.  See, that little sting makes him move.

[Kozlov]

Gunpowder was a Pandora's Box. I saw my nephews eyes light up when he saw his first fireworks, and I also saw him get very scared and nearly cry when they got louder and scarier.

Gunpowder hasn't helped us, it's holding us hostage -along with nuclear weapons. We are prisoners of our own aggression. In 2015, everyone probably wants a gun but nobody needs one. Gladly my country has a more sane view on gun ownership, but that hasn't stopped maniacs doing maniacal things.

Knives and blunt objects are dangerous too!

[TheButterZone]

Gunpowder was a Pandora's Box. I saw my nephews eyes light up when he saw his first fireworks, and I also saw him get very scared and nearly cry when they got louder and scarier.

Gunpowder hasn't helped us, it's holding us hostage -along with nuclear weapons. We are prisoners of our own aggression. In 2015, everyone probably wants a gun but nobody needs one. Gladly my country has a more sane view on gun ownership, but that hasn't stopped maniacs doing maniacal things.

Knives and blunt objects are dangerous too!

Great, survival of the fittest, where some animals are more equal than others, with violent criminals with knives (blades) and blunt objects, plus all the guns they can afford at all times, while only victims are rendered defenseless, "sanely", by "gun control".

Putting indiscriminate nukes, fireworks/bombs, and discriminate bearable arms within googolplex light years of one another, fail.

[tvbcof]

Get one of those .22 drum fed automatics that shoots over 2000 rounds a minute. You can carve a lot of things up with it.

That would still most likely just piss off an elk and make it uncomfortable with a bunch of small lead lumps under it's hide.  I've got a 300 win mag for these animals.  If I need to take them from my newly prepared area I could probably do so with a 12 ga slug due to the topography, but I would like to make this be an area where they feel safe and comfortable.  I checked yesterday and there is cropped grass and elk droppings so it is working.  This winter I'll prepare some more area as pasture for this purpose.  I hope to fill both of my tags from the ridge in a different part of my property, and do the shooting from the valley floor.  That's what the win mag is good for.

Yep, you got all that right.  And you don't want to go on a half hour hunt for that bleeding animal, and then haul the carcass back.  Question - are you of the opinion the 223 is no good for this?  What distance, anyway?

Oh, regarding the 2000 rpm suggestion.  Nope, you'd get exactly one shot at that elk.  See, that little sting makes him move.

I sure would not try with a .223 unless I were very desperate and starving.  I don't pretend to be an expert, but given the size of these animals I think you would be dependent on having enough luck to hit an artery or some similar vulnerable spot.  I suspect that a lung shot would kill it, but it would die 10 miles away and you would only find it by following the vultures a few days later.

You make a very good point about getting one shot at an elk though again, I'm hardly a professional.  I do have some experience with a .223 from my days in the military (though I've never been shot of course) and also experience with the densely foliage in my area as well as the behavior and capabilities of the creatures.

It is interesting that the the Federal box of 300 win-mag shells claims that they are suitable for small game like deer and not larger game like elk, and certainly not for dangerous game.  I suspect that they are err'ing on the side of caution.  The ballistics indicate that I should be able to take most shots available in my area.  Lots and lots of elk around here have fallen to 30-06 which is inferior to 300 wm in most respects.

[Spendulus]

Get one of those .22 drum fed automatics that shoots over 2000 rounds a minute. You can carve a lot of things up with it.

That would still most likely just piss off an elk and make it uncomfortable with a bunch of small lead lumps under it's hide.  I've got a 300 win mag for these animals.  If I need to take them from my newly prepared area I could probably do so with a 12 ga slug due to the topography, but I would like to make this be an area where they feel safe and comfortable.  I checked yesterday and there is cropped grass and elk droppings so it is working.  This winter I'll prepare some more area as pasture for this purpose.  I hope to fill both of my tags from the ridge in a different part of my property, and do the shooting from the valley floor.  That's what the win mag is good for.

Yep, you got all that right.  And you don't want to go on a half hour hunt for that bleeding animal, and then haul the carcass back.  Question - are you of the opinion the 223 is no good for this?  What distance, anyway?

Oh, regarding the 2000 rpm suggestion.  Nope, you'd get exactly one shot at that elk.  See, that little sting makes him move.

I sure would not try with a .223 unless I were very desperate and starving.  I don't pretend to be an expert, but given the size of these animals I think you would be dependent on having enough luck to hit an artery or some similar vulnerable spot.  I suspect that a lung shot would kill it, but it would die 10 miles away and you would only find it by following the vultures a few days later.

You make a very good point about getting one shot at an elk though again, I'm hardly a professional.  I do have some experience with a .223 from my days in the military (though I've never been shot of course) and also experience with the densely foliage in my area as well as the behavior and capabilities of the creatures.

It is interesting that the the Federal box of 300 win-mag shells claims that they are suitable for small game like deer and not larger game like elk, and certainly not for dangerous game.  I suspect that they are err'ing on the side of caution.  The ballistics indicate that I should be able to take most shots available in my area.  Lots and lots of elk around here have fallen to 30-06 which is inferior to 300 wm in most respects.

OKay, I just read a full ballistics report on the 300.  Yep, that is pretty darn impressive.