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November 18, 2015, 03:45:06 AM
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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.



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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.
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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.

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November 18, 2015, 06:00:37 PM
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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.
well stated....and for sure some of the biggest stakeholders don't trade at all (winklvoss's I don't think ever sell). and like you said its up to individual circumstance.

what I find interesting is that the $1000 mark that was reached in 2013.... I thought was a manufactured number...produced by a bot trading on gox.  So why do we hold that number in such high regard? 
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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.

Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have).  

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.
well stated....and for sure some of the biggest stakeholders don't trade at all (winklvoss's I don't think ever sell). and like you said its up to individual circumstance.

what I find interesting is that the $1000 mark that was reached in 2013.... I thought was a manufactured number...produced by a bot trading on gox.  So why do we hold that number in such high regard?  



I believe that $1,000 is just an easy reference point numerologically to round off.  I don't hold $1,000 in any high regard either because in November/December 2013 from exchange to exchange, bitcoins were trading at a vast array of high levels above $1k, including $1,163 on Stamp, and northwards of $1,500 on Local bitcoins, and higher on various other exchanges.


One thing that seems a bit special about the $1k price point concerns theories about whether BTC prices break that threshold or shoot past such price threshold.  

From the history of bitcoin price spikes and the breaking of previous ATHs, we have generally witnessed a considerable overshooting of the previous ATH... once the BTC price gets moving in the upward direction.  

Personally, I have the sense that this time around is not really going to be too much different from previous times.... even though there are more tools for shorting and more big money looking at it and more liquidation possibilities and trading platforms, etc. To me it seems that once the price gets moving into the upper 3 digits and breaks into the 4 digits territory, there seems to be a considerable likelihood that  BTC prices are going to overshoot again and to go past the previous ATH.  

Nonetheless, we have several resistance points, and seeming a considerable distance between $334 and $999.99 before we get to 4 digits in BTC pricing....

Furthermore, in my view, it seems that the past nearly 2 years of a bear market and almost a year of the bears being able to hold BTC prices in the below $300 territory, could cause some kinds of violence in the upward price momentum, and it could be possible, that  just moving past $500 again in prices could cause considerable piling on board with more fiat looking to buy BTC and less BTC looking to sell, which will merely cause BTC prices to go up very quickly and to again shoot past the $1k and above territory, possibly into the $3k to $5k territory, where people will again become more willing to sell than to buy.  I don't really know either, and I am just speculating the best I can based on my watching the market and interacting myself with both buying and selling (and mostly attempting to accumulate more BTC through such buying and selling activities).









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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.

Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have).  

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.
well stated....and for sure some of the biggest stakeholders don't trade at all (winklvoss's I don't think ever sell). and like you said its up to individual circumstance.

what I find interesting is that the $1000 mark that was reached in 2013.... I thought was a manufactured number...produced by a bot trading on gox.  So why do we hold that number in such high regard?  



I believe that $1,000 is just an easy reference point numerologically to round off.  I don't hold $1,000 in any high regard either because in November/December 2013 from exchange to exchange, bitcoins were trading at a vast array of high levels above $1k, including $1,163 on Stamp, and northwards of $1,500 on Local bitcoins, and higher on various other exchanges.


One thing that seems a bit special about the $1k price point concerns theories about whether BTC prices break that threshold or shoot past such price threshold.  

From the history of bitcoin price spikes and the breaking of previous ATHs, we have generally witnessed a considerable overshooting of the previous ATH... once the BTC price gets moving in the upward direction.  

Personally, I have the sense that this time around is not really going to be too much different from previous times.... even though there are more tools for shorting and more big money looking at it and more liquidation possibilities and trading platforms, etc. To me it seems that once the price gets moving into the upper 3 digits and breaks into the 4 digits territory, there seems to be a considerable likelihood that  BTC prices are going to overshoot again and to go past the previous ATH.  

Nonetheless, we have several resistance points, and seeming a considerable distance between $334 and $999.99 before we get to 4 digits in BTC pricing....

Furthermore, in my view, it seems that the past nearly 2 years of a bear market and almost a year of the bears being able to hold BTC prices in the below $300 territory, could cause some kinds of violence in the upward price momentum, and it could be possible, that  just moving past $500 again in prices could cause considerable piling on board with more fiat looking to buy BTC and less BTC looking to sell, which will merely cause BTC prices to go up very quickly and to again shoot past the $1k and above territory, possibly into the $3k to $5k territory, where people will again become more willing to sell than to buy.  I don't really know either, and I am just speculating the best I can based on my watching the market and interacting myself with both buying and selling (and mostly attempting to accumulate more BTC through such buying and selling activities).










I think your right about overshooting ATH.....that's a scenario that plays out often...kind of just happened with ltc.
a spike like that would have btc likely around 1,500....but first prices would have to go thru that 1,000 level.
When the time comes...does it blow past 1,000 or just slowly meander around it ...?
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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.

Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have).  

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.
well stated....and for sure some of the biggest stakeholders don't trade at all (winklvoss's I don't think ever sell). and like you said its up to individual circumstance.

what I find interesting is that the $1000 mark that was reached in 2013.... I thought was a manufactured number...produced by a bot trading on gox.  So why do we hold that number in such high regard?  



I believe that $1,000 is just an easy reference point numerologically to round off.  I don't hold $1,000 in any high regard either because in November/December 2013 from exchange to exchange, bitcoins were trading at a vast array of high levels above $1k, including $1,163 on Stamp, and northwards of $1,500 on Local bitcoins, and higher on various other exchanges.


One thing that seems a bit special about the $1k price point concerns theories about whether BTC prices break that threshold or shoot past such price threshold.  

From the history of bitcoin price spikes and the breaking of previous ATHs, we have generally witnessed a considerable overshooting of the previous ATH... once the BTC price gets moving in the upward direction.  

Personally, I have the sense that this time around is not really going to be too much different from previous times.... even though there are more tools for shorting and more big money looking at it and more liquidation possibilities and trading platforms, etc. To me it seems that once the price gets moving into the upper 3 digits and breaks into the 4 digits territory, there seems to be a considerable likelihood that  BTC prices are going to overshoot again and to go past the previous ATH.  

Nonetheless, we have several resistance points, and seeming a considerable distance between $334 and $999.99 before we get to 4 digits in BTC pricing....

Furthermore, in my view, it seems that the past nearly 2 years of a bear market and almost a year of the bears being able to hold BTC prices in the below $300 territory, could cause some kinds of violence in the upward price momentum, and it could be possible, that  just moving past $500 again in prices could cause considerable piling on board with more fiat looking to buy BTC and less BTC looking to sell, which will merely cause BTC prices to go up very quickly and to again shoot past the $1k and above territory, possibly into the $3k to $5k territory, where people will again become more willing to sell than to buy.  I don't really know either, and I am just speculating the best I can based on my watching the market and interacting myself with both buying and selling (and mostly attempting to accumulate more BTC through such buying and selling activities).










I think your right about overshooting ATH.....that's a scenario that plays out often...kind of just happened with ltc.
a spike like that would have btc likely around 1,500....but first prices would have to go thru that 1,000 level.
When the time comes...does it blow past 1,000 or just slowly meander around it ...?


There can be a little bit of both going on, where it doesn't really seem clear what the price is going to do; however, in retrospect, the charts seem to show that the price blows right past, and not in a small way (5% to 30%) but instead in a larger way 200% to 500%.


Yes, the past doesn't exactly predict the future, so we can never really be sure - however, if we believe that there is a 5 or 10% chance that we are going to witness doubling or quadrupling or 10x current prices, then we should safely place our bets accordingly.  I am not suggesting to take out a second mortgage; however, it could be a prudent idea to sock a decent amount of free capital into BTC and maybe even forestall a few life luxury lattes and put some of that money into btc instead.... also, maybe instead of going out to eat once or twice a week, eat at home for a while and put some of the savings into BTC.







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When the bitcoin price stays at around $350 for a few months or half year, the chance is that when the price does rise, the price will be much higher. It could be 3-5 times of the $350, or $1000 - $1600. If there is good news about adoption of bitcoin, the price will be even higher.
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The price is very stable over the last months if we do not consider the short pump and dump action. Before the pump, the price was stable at $320. Now, it is back at this level since a couple of days. The halving will be next year and the slowely adoption of Bitcoin outside the limited community will rise the price.

When the bitcoin price stays at around $350 for a few months or half year, the chance is that when the price does rise, the price will be much higher. It could be 3-5 times of the $350, or $1000 - $1600. If there is good news about adoption of bitcoin, the price will be even higher.

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It is very strange. I see that this thread has as author no one: its nick is Anonymous, I don't understand how was able to write his main post because is classified as "guest" and as I know a guest have no rights to post here. And for more the link which must be object of discussion don't exist. And even with this strange things and real impossibility to give thoughts about something, the number of pages here is (as I am writing this my post) at 155 pages (yes, 155 pages). For what write the posters here having in mind the above written by me? I cannot understand. But i can tell for sure that this continuous of posts one after another, in so many quantity, is the most clear example of the writing only to write, to write only to made post and to write without end and without meaning following only one or two words of previous post (writing in their new posts, in the most of cases, the same things but with other words). Forgetting in this way why the thread was created, creating infinite spam and don't reading nothing write three or four pages ahead.  Shocked
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It is very strange. I see that this thread has as as author no one: its nick is Anonymous, I don't understand how was able to write his main post because is classified as "guest" and as I know a guest have no rights to post here, and for more the link which mus be discussed don't exist. And even with this strange things and real impossibility to give thoughts about something, the number of pages here is 9as I am writing this my post) at 155 pages (yes, 155 pages). For what write the posters here having in mind the above written by me? I cannot understand. But i can tell for sure that this continuous of posts one after another, in so many quantity, is the most clear example of the writing only to write, to write only to made post and to write without end and without meaning following only one or two words of previous post (writing in their new posts, in the most of cases, the same things but with other words). Forgetting in this way why the thread was created, creating infinite spam and don't reading nothing write three or four pages ahead.  Shocked

The kids name was Atlas on the forum and he was permabanned. He had a dozen or more alt accounts he made after each banning. I think Atlas was 15 or 16 when he made this thread. He was a self proclaimed nihilist from a town in Texas (anyone else see the humor in that, lol). He used to post threads like this and was part of the original group of Bitcoin cultists. He and another permabanned troll user known as MatthewNWright were locked in a latently homosexual forum bickering match that was clearly the most entertaining thing on the interwebz at the time. The most entertaining exchanges from Atlas came when he claimed he was going to commit suicide on this forum and another forum called "Something Awful".

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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.

Forgive me, I didn't mean it as a blanket statement. I should have been more clear Cheesy

I just have a disagreement with the "hodl" no matter what crowd. And yes, I do realize that a lot of them are just playing. My overall strategy (always evolving, of course) is to trade advantageously, and over time continue to increase my holdings, but to keep a large portion of it liquid and in motion. Accumulation for it's own sake holds no rewards for me, personally. Others may have very different overall goals than me. I'm both a cynical optimist, so I see a lot of roadblocks along the way. Obviously to most people, I intend to live a decent life. I also would like to become wealthy, and it is a goal, but in the near term, getting well above poor is a better one. I've not really achieved that, yet, but I've made pretty good strides in that direction. Because I've become a moderately good trader, I have improved the lifestyle of myself and my family, and that involves not holding a great deal AT THIS TIME, but slowly increasing the part that does just sit. I'm aiming for 10% of my profits to remain in BTC by the end of first quarter 2016. Whether I'll be able to achieve this remains to be seen.

I also had quite a bit of beer that night, and I'm not much of a drinker Cheesy

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I love this thread Cheesy It never dies.

But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings.

Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping.

Good for you that you have the skills to trade successfully. I guess many here doesn't have these abilities or the time and patience to learn it.Risk to lose shouldn't be underestimated.And that's the reason everyone should do what he can do best to increase his BTC amount.



Your points are very valid, Denker.   A blanketted recommendation suggesting that the only way to accomplish meaningful gains is to trade your BTC (or any  other asset) is short-sighted and self-absorbed.

Every person needs to assess his/her own financial circumstances to ascertain risk, distribution and likely continue to tweak in the event that the totality of the investments are in fairly infant stages.


In this regard, building and hoarding BTC could be a very good strategy in light of the persons total distribution of investments, including considering the time horizon of the person.

On the other hand, if a portfolio becomes fairly well-distributed, and it has segments, such as BTC, that have become very profitable, then it may be prudent to take some of those profits; however, there seems to be likely considerable utility to continue to build the BTC portfolio, based on the overall expected value of that particular asset, in comparison to other fiat based assets that a person may hold (or have). 

In this regard, it seems prudent to continue to dollar cost average invest into BTC and to increase the overall accumulation of BTC while it is under $1,000 per BTC.  Surely, every person, while still accumulating, will need to decide for himself/herself, the extent to which s/he feels it is necessary to take some of the profits between $330 and $1,000.. and maybe even attempt trading and/or reinvesting - depending on the totality of the persons BTC holdings in comparison with other investments that s/he may have, etc.




i think you strategy is good but can't your statement about accumulating btc until it hits $1,000 also be construed as short sited and maybe self absorbed. how can you pick a arbitrary limit to an investment strategy like cost averaging...for you 1,000 may seem like an upper limit...to others just a starting point.  someone who is truly dollar averaging doesn't try to pick tops or bottoms...they just accumulate over time...at regular intervals.


I may have misspoke a little bit, because I was not really trying to box in any exact formula for potentially getting rich on bitcoins because each formula will be somewhat dependent and hopefully tailored to the individuals overall circumstances.

And, in that regard, there will certainly be individuals with a lot of philosophies including those who have no intention to invest any further into bitcoin, no matter what the price.

Yet, to some extent, I believe that several readers of this thread assume that the price of BTC is increasing, yet there may be quite a lot of variance concerning whether individuals believe that they should continue to invest or to rest on the amount that they already invested.  In that regard, even though was criticizing some of the points of Biomech, I agree with him that there is likely increased value to have an interactive plan with regard to bitcoin holdings, even though I was criticizing his apparent assessment that trading is the only way to really profit from bitcoin (and to put one's BTC investment to work).  Maybe in the end, I agree with a lot of his points, except I have some difficulties with his apparent assertion that trading is good for everyone, when in fact some BTC investors may not be at that stage of their BTC investment, and they may never really be comfortable with the concept or practice of trading their BTC holdings.

Forgive me, I didn't mean it as a blanket statement. I should have been more clear Cheesy

I just have a disagreement with the "hodl" no matter what crowd. And yes, I do realize that a lot of them are just playing. My overall strategy (always evolving, of course) is to trade advantageously, and over time continue to increase my holdings, but to keep a large portion of it liquid and in motion. Accumulation for it's own sake holds no rewards for me, personally. Others may have very different overall goals than me. I'm both a cynical optimist, so I see a lot of roadblocks along the way. Obviously to most people, I intend to live a decent life. I also would like to become wealthy, and it is a goal, but in the near term, getting well above poor is a better one. I've not really achieved that, yet, but I've made pretty good strides in that direction. Because I've become a moderately good trader, I have improved the lifestyle of myself and my family, and that involves not holding a great deal AT THIS TIME, but slowly increasing the part that does just sit. I'm aiming for 10% of my profits to remain in BTC by the end of first quarter 2016. Whether I'll be able to achieve this remains to be seen.

I also had quite a bit of beer that night, and I'm not much of a drinker Cheesy


I believe that it remains a very good plan to create some goals for yourself and to understand and expect that you may not be able to reach all of the goals.


Another important point is for BTC investors to recognize that their bitcoin investment is not (or at least should not be monolithic in nature).

So, for example, if a person earns all of his income in fiat, and for many of years of his life, he has made fiat dependent and related investments, then maybe he can afford to strategically aim to put a considerable amount of his additional income into BTC as a hedge against his various fiat investments... but such a hedge may take a considerable amount of time to build and then to assess comfort levels - whether if BTC ends up occupying less than 1% of his total quasi-liquid investments or 50% or some point in between.  Surely 1% is going to be much safer  and less volatile than 50%, but each of us needs to consider our own circumstances...

And, for another example, it may appear that a person is buying and hodling BTC, but in fact, some trade offs may be taking place in his life, even when it appears that the BTC portion of the portfolio is merely getting bigger and bigger, due to the appearance of buy and hodl.


Accordingly, a person may not specifically be prepared to trade or even to sell any of the BTC portion of his portfolio, until s/he assesses that the BTC portion of the portfolio has reached an adequate size... and/or other personal considerations. 



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i also think about it,i have the sense that this time around is not really going to be too much different from previous times,but for reach price like you imagine,its hard need some procces,but let us waiting for a huge movement of bitcoin.

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posted this on another thread but this works here too I guess....(modest growth in price would not be bad imho) Smiley

To tell you the truth if it was not for the 1100 usd per btc bubble in 2013..when the Chinese folk went nuts and tried to move around 75 years of China under communism wealth out of the country ASAP....and or course mt.gox and some other scandals ...we'd be sitting pretty good now

oct 18th 2013 started my KNC Jupiter 550gh miner. I think it was 1 BTC a day (for a bit anyway) and that date $150 usd per BTC.

2014 say the ave was 250 usd per btc or so (ouch year) Sad

2015 it is now end of the year and it is 350 usd per btc

hell if not for the china bubble and the scandals we'd be kicking ass now imho around 1000 usd per btc..but drama occurs on all 'births' or so I've been told Smiley


so slow and steady in the above manner (as adoption) works just fine imho Smiley

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http://astrohacker.com/ahc/bitcoin-is-the-economic-singularity/

After reading this, the scale of black market and digital economies and the effect Bitcoin will have on them I am pretty certain we are going to be very wealthy men -- even with a sum as small as 10 Bitcoins. It's just so hard to believe. We are only in the beginning storms with these significant rallies from 10 to 20 dollars. I will not be surprised to see prices from hundreds to thousands in the coming months.

The world just isn't going to be the same and we have been blessed as the pioneers.

What are you going to do with your Bitcoin wealth once your coins hit upwards of $10,000 a pop?

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