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January 13, 2015, 11:57:56 PM
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The question is are we even in the despair phase yet?  Seems like a few panic sellers are coming out, but I don't even think the worst has yet to come.  


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/12/19/bitcoin-may-be-following-this-classic-bubble-stages-chart/

But I guess Forbes are just a buncha h8rs yo!!!! I mean, what would a professional economist/technical analyst know about market trends?!?!?

The bubble has been quite apparent for the past few months.  And, barring any POSITIVE giant news for BTC, there is nothing
but selling pressure and nothing to lure in new purchasers/investors, as it makes zero sense to be buying now unless you're a firm believer and in it for the super long run.  
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January 14, 2015, 06:26:41 AM
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Very amusing.

What you fail to notice is the fact that BTC is in a slow descent, with no bottom in sight.

Let's talk through the scenario, BTC keeps dropping (down 49% since July 3rd) that's more than 10% a month.

In response to that what is happening?

People spending their BTC? NO!

People selling their BTC? YES!

People continuing to hoard BTC waiting for it to come back? YES!

People mining any great quantity of BTC on their own? NO!

People cloud mining making tiny BTC profits? YES!

These things above never change and if they don't then BTC will be $150 in 4 months, then it becomes cost prohibitive for anyone but the huge farms like KNC to mine.

By June BTC will be down in the double digits ($85ish) and no one will be interested in it any longer.

You heard it here.



Seems like you've lost your drive & hunger for Bitcoin....what you don't understand is Bitcoin isn't just about how much it's worth. It's a concept which at the moment is suceeding maybe not on a huge level but if someone told you about this new concept 6 years ago and said within this amount of time it would reach highs of $1000 you would of laughed.
All it takes at the moment is a whale to delve into Bitcoin and spend a huge amount which will raise the value and bring more attention from media which means more people will be interested in Bitcoin....or we have a major hack again or something similar of nature which would again bring media attention which would be seen by millions & again even though it's bad news many more people will of heard of Bitcoin and will search up on it.
You might be right it dropping down to double digits...but your not right on people not buying...a huge lot of people are buying Bitcoin. What I think is happening is a lot of people are using the payment processor bitpay which sells their Bitcoin for fiat as soon as they recieve it which decreases the value of Bitcoin. If people stop using bitpay & similar companies then we should see a rise again. Everyone thought bitpay was a great company but in actual facts it's damagining the Bitcoin value & community in general. There are a number of other major factors like more sell orders than buy order but thats obvious & talked about far more often than the point I brought up.



Pissedoff:   I agree with some of your assessment, but NOT all of it.

Personally, I believe what is causing the price to go down is manipulation, and there are some that want to continue to push the prices of BTC down so that they can continue to accumulate and at some point (maybe 1 month from NOW or maybe 6 months or possibly longer), there will be attempts to manipulate in the opposite (upwards direction)... One large whale would be within his/her power to manipulate the price upwards into the $3k to $5k territory, b/c was the price starts to go upward, there will be other whales ready and willing to jump on board.

Really, bitpay and similar are good for bitcoin because they cause liquidation opportunities - which people need to have in order to have additional confidence in BTC when prices go to the next upward level.   Surely, if people are NOW using bitpay and similar to liquidate and they are NOT replacing their coins, then surely, you are correct that those services are merely being used to sell coins... but really, I doubt that those services of bitpay and similar are what really is causing downward price pressures... you can watch the market and see that the downward pressure comes from the purposeful and strategic attempts to dump large quantities of coins on exchanges, and while that conduct remains profitable, that exchange dumping conduct is going to continue.

Additionally, some of these dumpers are accumulating coins on the sly.. so that they will have plenty of coins when the time comes for the upward momentum.


You don't have to agree with any of it, you just have to keep watching and realize I was right then, and I am right now.

BTC=$80 by June

Its down $100 since the last time I told you, in 2 months it will be down another $100


You do NOT know what the fuck you are talking about, and you are just guessing.   and you happened to have guessed somewhat correctly in the past regarding some kind of downward price pressures on bitcoin.. so what....Huh NOW, your goal is to come back and assert that you "told you so" to whoever the fuck will listen to you... and then attempt to assert that you have some kind of knowledge about the future through your continued guessing.

Yes I just keep "guessing" right every single time.

Bitcoin and the current state it is in, is Psychology 101.


If you have a job and you make 10 dollars a week you will spend a percentage of that to food, clothing, gas, car etc. Next week you make another 10 dollars you do the same thing all over again. If the next week you lose your job and you don't get 10 dollars then your spending tends to change, you hunker down and hold what you have.

Replace the word "job" with "bit coin miner"
Replace the word "dollar" with Bitcoin"
above

No one can afford to spend $500 on a miner to create $505 in Bitcoin in 9 months.

The great gold rush is over, every one held on for the next spike, but the next spike isn't coming because Bitcoin production is down a zillion percent and the cost to produce it is up a zillion percent.

Everyone is holding, no one is spending, the Bitcoin economy is circling the drain.

Prove me wrong and quote any event that you see taking place that could possibly turn it around.

I am at a loss.



That's fine if you want to just keep bragging about how smart you are and trying to engagin in an argument, merely because there seems to be a bear trend at the moment. 

I have NO fucking idea how long this bear trend is going to last, and I never claimed to be able to predict short term price directions in BTC, even though in the long term I remain optimistic that the market will turn around and we will return to a bull market in BTC. 

So go around with your cock sureness and be smug... good for you.... that the downtrend continues and you are happy about this (whether your prediction or NOT).



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January 14, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
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Yeah, life sux right now for hodlers. Well, unless they've been hodling for more than a year.

But you talk of Bitcoin as if it offers nothing other than some disembodied share price, completely divorced from its inherent value.

Of course, we have yet to learn what a universal medium of exchange, incorruptable, uninterceptible, and incensorable, might be worth. My guess is quite a bit. I have a fair amount of patience in letting the world figure this value.

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January 14, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
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We have to wait 6 years for the inflation rate of bitcoin to be lower than the U.S. dollar.   Until then, sell.
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January 14, 2015, 08:30:20 AM
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We have to wait 6 years for the inflation rate of bitcoin to be lower than the U.S. dollar.   Until then, sell.

The inflation rate in Bitcoin is huge. I think the US inflation rate will be higher than Bitcoin before 6 years but the Bitcoin inflation is 10% a year, it is a big inflation

1.314 million more bitcoins a year. If adoption was going up fast and people were questionning more the fiat system it would not be a problem to have this inflation and a very high price since miners would hold their bitcoins and people would believe more in a future appreciation of the price.


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January 14, 2015, 08:33:44 AM
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i am absolutely amazed to see the price so low. it's actually a little heart wrenching.

Agree! 'Amaze' to see Bitcoin price drop so much today. Few hours back, it was 200 USD and now it is 183.40 USD! → preev.com.

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January 14, 2015, 10:53:30 AM
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honestly ... do you all actually think that the thousands of years of kings and swords and blood and gold and conquest and kings and more gold and swords and castles and religions and wars and conquest and gold and swords and wars and countries and kings and wars and wars and wars and slaves and gold and more wars and ships and slaves and cotton and countries and revolutions and kings and gold and wars and planes and bombs and wars and that allllll of the handful of the worlds wealthy elites who have passed down their wealth through the generations since the dawn of civilization are going to let it all go let all of their money and all of their power go and allow a handful of asshats with laptops who installed an interesting piece of software take their place and supplant their singular position as the rulers of earth ? honestly ?

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January 14, 2015, 10:55:42 AM
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Yes.
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January 14, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
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honestly ... do you all actually think that the thousands of years of kings and swords and blood and gold and conquest and kings and more gold and swords and castles and religions and wars and conquest and gold and swords and wars and countries and kings and wars and wars and wars and slaves and gold and more wars and ships and slaves and cotton and countries and revolutions and kings and gold and wars and planes and bombs and wars and that allllll of the handful of the worlds wealthy elites who have passed down their wealth through the generations since the dawn of civilization are going to let it all go let all of their money and all of their power go and allow a handful of asshats with laptops who installed an interesting piece of software take their place and supplant their singular position as the rulers of earth ? honestly ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5m1A7zoIcc

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honestly ... do you all actually think that the thousands of years of kings and swords and blood and gold and conquest and kings and more gold and swords and castles and religions and wars and conquest and gold and swords and wars and countries and kings and wars and wars and wars and slaves and gold and more wars and ships and slaves and cotton and countries and revolutions and kings and gold and wars and planes and bombs and wars and that allllll of the handful of the worlds wealthy elites who have passed down their wealth through the generations since the dawn of civilization are going to let it all go let all of their money and all of their power go and allow a handful of asshats with laptops who installed an interesting piece of software take their place and supplant their singular position as the rulers of earth ? honestly ?

i dont think btc will ever replace currency ,but there is enough room for both to exist side by side
bitcoin willl be used when you need to send a million dollars somewhere for free or for international market trading
like the new open bazaar thats being developed

digital money is necessary for modern world and will only become more so .......im glad i own some


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January 14, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
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Very amusing.

What you fail to notice is the fact that BTC is in a slow descent, with no bottom in sight.

Let's talk through the scenario, BTC keeps dropping (down 49% since July 3rd) that's more than 10% a month.

In response to that what is happening?

People spending their BTC? NO!

People selling their BTC? YES!

People continuing to hoard BTC waiting for it to come back? YES!

People mining any great quantity of BTC on their own? NO!

People cloud mining making tiny BTC profits? YES!

These things above never change and if they don't then BTC will be $150 in 4 months, then it becomes cost prohibitive for anyone but the huge farms like KNC to mine.

By June BTC will be down in the double digits ($85ish) and no one will be interested in it any longer.

You heard it here.



Seems like you've lost your drive & hunger for Bitcoin....what you don't understand is Bitcoin isn't just about how much it's worth. It's a concept which at the moment is suceeding maybe not on a huge level but if someone told you about this new concept 6 years ago and said within this amount of time it would reach highs of $1000 you would of laughed.
All it takes at the moment is a whale to delve into Bitcoin and spend a huge amount which will raise the value and bring more attention from media which means more people will be interested in Bitcoin....or we have a major hack again or something similar of nature which would again bring media attention which would be seen by millions & again even though it's bad news many more people will of heard of Bitcoin and will search up on it.
You might be right it dropping down to double digits...but your not right on people not buying...a huge lot of people are buying Bitcoin. What I think is happening is a lot of people are using the payment processor bitpay which sells their Bitcoin for fiat as soon as they recieve it which decreases the value of Bitcoin. If people stop using bitpay & similar companies then we should see a rise again. Everyone thought bitpay was a great company but in actual facts it's damagining the Bitcoin value & community in general. There are a number of other major factors like more sell orders than buy order but thats obvious & talked about far more often than the point I brought up.



Pissedoff:   I agree with some of your assessment, but NOT all of it.

Personally, I believe what is causing the price to go down is manipulation, and there are some that want to continue to push the prices of BTC down so that they can continue to accumulate and at some point (maybe 1 month from NOW or maybe 6 months or possibly longer), there will be attempts to manipulate in the opposite (upwards direction)... One large whale would be within his/her power to manipulate the price upwards into the $3k to $5k territory, b/c was the price starts to go upward, there will be other whales ready and willing to jump on board.

Really, bitpay and similar are good for bitcoin because they cause liquidation opportunities - which people need to have in order to have additional confidence in BTC when prices go to the next upward level.   Surely, if people are NOW using bitpay and similar to liquidate and they are NOT replacing their coins, then surely, you are correct that those services are merely being used to sell coins... but really, I doubt that those services of bitpay and similar are what really is causing downward price pressures... you can watch the market and see that the downward pressure comes from the purposeful and strategic attempts to dump large quantities of coins on exchanges, and while that conduct remains profitable, that exchange dumping conduct is going to continue.

Additionally, some of these dumpers are accumulating coins on the sly.. so that they will have plenty of coins when the time comes for the upward momentum.


You don't have to agree with any of it, you just have to keep watching and realize I was right then, and I am right now.

BTC=$80 by June

Its down $100 since the last time I told you, in 2 months it will be down another $100


You do NOT know what the fuck you are talking about, and you are just guessing.   and you happened to have guessed somewhat correctly in the past regarding some kind of downward price pressures on bitcoin.. so what....Huh NOW, your goal is to come back and assert that you "told you so" to whoever the fuck will listen to you... and then attempt to assert that you have some kind of knowledge about the future through your continued guessing.

Yes I just keep "guessing" right every single time.

Bitcoin and the current state it is in, is Psychology 101.


If you have a job and you make 10 dollars a week you will spend a percentage of that to food, clothing, gas, car etc. Next week you make another 10 dollars you do the same thing all over again. If the next week you lose your job and you don't get 10 dollars then your spending tends to change, you hunker down and hold what you have.

Replace the word "job" with "bit coin miner"
Replace the word "dollar" with Bitcoin"
above

No one can afford to spend $500 on a miner to create $505 in Bitcoin in 9 months.

The great gold rush is over, every one held on for the next spike, but the next spike isn't coming because Bitcoin production is down a zillion percent and the cost to produce it is up a zillion percent.

Everyone is holding, no one is spending, the Bitcoin economy is circling the drain.

Prove me wrong and quote any event that you see taking place that could possibly turn it around.

I am at a loss.



That's fine if you want to just keep bragging about how smart you are and trying to engagin in an argument, merely because there seems to be a bear trend at the moment. 

I have NO fucking idea how long this bear trend is going to last, and I never claimed to be able to predict short term price directions in BTC, even though in the long term I remain optimistic that the market will turn around and we will return to a bull market in BTC. 

So go around with your cock sureness and be smug... good for you.... that the downtrend continues and you are happy about this (whether your prediction or NOT).




It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes


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January 14, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
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looking thru the news -

Bitstamp hack

ross trial beginning

russia making ban it noises again...


in the wake of events in france, cameron in the UK proposing to 'ban' encrypted comms online

the ludicrously convenient 'hack' as obama gives a... cybersecurity speech


EU announcing parlous finances, possibility of bond purchases

UK talking about raising interest rates

US claiming to end QE


oil in freefall...



so in a word,

HODL.








The problem is if all merchants force you to go throught the Bitpay-Coinbase bridge, Bitcoin is not very anonymous.. unless you use it like cash.

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It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



Well put.

I'm on both sides of this argument. I think that long term, digital currencies are the wave of monetary future. Fiat currencies always fail, due to the simple fact that central banks can inflate at will, and frequently do so to cover their own tracks or attempt to mitigate against the stupidity of governments. It never works in the long term, but it does "wonders" in the short term. Digital currencies, by contrast, inflate at a very controlled and largely unmanipulable manner. This makes them a better vehicle for finance in many ways. Also, their quick settlement period will make them attractive to financiers and businesses alike, once third party processing becomes prevalent.

And yes, I do realize that removes the "trustless" paradigm for day to day purchases, but that is necessary if BTC or other digital currencies are to break into the mainstream. The average purchaser does not give a damn that his VISA card actually doesn't settle for 14 days, but he does give a damn that his bitcoin transaction takes an hour to be confirmed. With something like a VISA for BTC, that would change, as settlements up the line are cheaper and faster.

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It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



Well put.

I'm on both sides of this argument. I think that long term, digital currencies are the wave of monetary future. Fiat currencies always fail, due to the simple fact that central banks can inflate at will, and frequently do so to cover their own tracks or attempt to mitigate against the stupidity of governments. It never works in the long term, but it does "wonders" in the short term. Digital currencies, by contrast, inflate at a very controlled and largely unmanipulable manner. This makes them a better vehicle for finance in many ways. Also, their quick settlement period will make them attractive to financiers and businesses alike, once third party processing becomes prevalent.

And yes, I do realize that removes the "trustless" paradigm for day to day purchases, but that is necessary if BTC or other digital currencies are to break into the mainstream. The average purchaser does not give a damn that his VISA card actually doesn't settle for 14 days, but he does give a damn that his bitcoin transaction takes an hour to be confirmed. With something like a VISA for BTC, that would change, as settlements up the line are cheaper and faster.

Fiat currencies fail and finance the sociopaths and wars. Bitcoin is strong and useful. But fiat have their powerful points and Bitcoin has weaknesses because it's attacked and new.

To be a millionnaire in Bitcoin at 152$ (low point on bitstamp Today) : 6579 BTC but it could be only 658 BTC sometime in 2015 Wink


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It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



Well put.

I'm on both sides of this argument. I think that long term, digital currencies are the wave of monetary future. Fiat currencies always fail, due to the simple fact that central banks can inflate at will, and frequently do so to cover their own tracks or attempt to mitigate against the stupidity of governments. It never works in the long term, but it does "wonders" in the short term. Digital currencies, by contrast, inflate at a very controlled and largely unmanipulable manner. This makes them a better vehicle for finance in many ways. Also, their quick settlement period will make them attractive to financiers and businesses alike, once third party processing becomes prevalent.

And yes, I do realize that removes the "trustless" paradigm for day to day purchases, but that is necessary if BTC or other digital currencies are to break into the mainstream. The average purchaser does not give a damn that his VISA card actually doesn't settle for 14 days, but he does give a damn that his bitcoin transaction takes an hour to be confirmed. With something like a VISA for BTC, that would change, as settlements up the line are cheaper and faster.

Fiat currencies fail and finance the sociopaths and wars. Bitcoin is strong and useful. But fiat have their powerful points and Bitcoin has weaknesses because it's attacked and new.

To be a millionnaire in Bitcoin at 152$ (low point on bitstamp Today) : 6579 BTC but it could be only 658 BTC sometime in 2015 Wink
Make no mistake here, the sociopaths will have their wars, regardless of the currency. But a BTC standard, as did gold, will restrict the sheer scale of their destructiveness.

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Very amusing.

What you fail to notice is the fact that BTC is in a slow descent, with no bottom in sight.

Let's talk through the scenario, BTC keeps dropping (down 49% since July 3rd) that's more than 10% a month.

In response to that what is happening?

People spending their BTC? NO!

People selling their BTC? YES!

People continuing to hoard BTC waiting for it to come back? YES!

People mining any great quantity of BTC on their own? NO!

People cloud mining making tiny BTC profits? YES!

These things above never change and if they don't then BTC will be $150 in 4 months, then it becomes cost prohibitive for anyone but the huge farms like KNC to mine.

By June BTC will be down in the double digits ($85ish) and no one will be interested in it any longer.

You heard it here.



Seems like you've lost your drive & hunger for Bitcoin....what you don't understand is Bitcoin isn't just about how much it's worth. It's a concept which at the moment is suceeding maybe not on a huge level but if someone told you about this new concept 6 years ago and said within this amount of time it would reach highs of $1000 you would of laughed.
All it takes at the moment is a whale to delve into Bitcoin and spend a huge amount which will raise the value and bring more attention from media which means more people will be interested in Bitcoin....or we have a major hack again or something similar of nature which would again bring media attention which would be seen by millions & again even though it's bad news many more people will of heard of Bitcoin and will search up on it.
You might be right it dropping down to double digits...but your not right on people not buying...a huge lot of people are buying Bitcoin. What I think is happening is a lot of people are using the payment processor bitpay which sells their Bitcoin for fiat as soon as they recieve it which decreases the value of Bitcoin. If people stop using bitpay & similar companies then we should see a rise again. Everyone thought bitpay was a great company but in actual facts it's damagining the Bitcoin value & community in general. There are a number of other major factors like more sell orders than buy order but thats obvious & talked about far more often than the point I brought up.



Pissedoff:   I agree with some of your assessment, but NOT all of it.

Personally, I believe what is causing the price to go down is manipulation, and there are some that want to continue to push the prices of BTC down so that they can continue to accumulate and at some point (maybe 1 month from NOW or maybe 6 months or possibly longer), there will be attempts to manipulate in the opposite (upwards direction)... One large whale would be within his/her power to manipulate the price upwards into the $3k to $5k territory, b/c was the price starts to go upward, there will be other whales ready and willing to jump on board.

Really, bitpay and similar are good for bitcoin because they cause liquidation opportunities - which people need to have in order to have additional confidence in BTC when prices go to the next upward level.   Surely, if people are NOW using bitpay and similar to liquidate and they are NOT replacing their coins, then surely, you are correct that those services are merely being used to sell coins... but really, I doubt that those services of bitpay and similar are what really is causing downward price pressures... you can watch the market and see that the downward pressure comes from the purposeful and strategic attempts to dump large quantities of coins on exchanges, and while that conduct remains profitable, that exchange dumping conduct is going to continue.

Additionally, some of these dumpers are accumulating coins on the sly.. so that they will have plenty of coins when the time comes for the upward momentum.


You don't have to agree with any of it, you just have to keep watching and realize I was right then, and I am right now.

BTC=$80 by June

Its down $100 since the last time I told you, in 2 months it will be down another $100


You do NOT know what the fuck you are talking about, and you are just guessing.   and you happened to have guessed somewhat correctly in the past regarding some kind of downward price pressures on bitcoin.. so what....Huh NOW, your goal is to come back and assert that you "told you so" to whoever the fuck will listen to you... and then attempt to assert that you have some kind of knowledge about the future through your continued guessing.

Yes I just keep "guessing" right every single time.

Bitcoin and the current state it is in, is Psychology 101.


If you have a job and you make 10 dollars a week you will spend a percentage of that to food, clothing, gas, car etc. Next week you make another 10 dollars you do the same thing all over again. If the next week you lose your job and you don't get 10 dollars then your spending tends to change, you hunker down and hold what you have.

Replace the word "job" with "bit coin miner"
Replace the word "dollar" with Bitcoin"
above

No one can afford to spend $500 on a miner to create $505 in Bitcoin in 9 months.

The great gold rush is over, every one held on for the next spike, but the next spike isn't coming because Bitcoin production is down a zillion percent and the cost to produce it is up a zillion percent.

Everyone is holding, no one is spending, the Bitcoin economy is circling the drain.

Prove me wrong and quote any event that you see taking place that could possibly turn it around.

I am at a loss.



That's fine if you want to just keep bragging about how smart you are and trying to engagin in an argument, merely because there seems to be a bear trend at the moment. 

I have NO fucking idea how long this bear trend is going to last, and I never claimed to be able to predict short term price directions in BTC, even though in the long term I remain optimistic that the market will turn around and we will return to a bull market in BTC. 

So go around with your cock sureness and be smug... good for you.... that the downtrend continues and you are happy about this (whether your prediction or NOT).




It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



You seem to be a fucking smug retard.  You are attempting to frame this situation in such way as if you are right and I am wrong (or people like me).  You have NO fucking idea about my financial position besides reading through my posts, and even then you would only get a fragmented picture of such.  You do NOT know my cashflow, my other investments, my purpose for being in bitcoin, my various timelines, my views about the future probabilities of bitcoin, my risk tolerance and a large number of other factors.  You are merely going through some smug post-hoc "i told you so" diatribe in order to attempt to make yourself feel good or something.  Get a life.

Regarding Advice:  I certainly am neither asking for advice or giving advice (except maybe if someone specifically asks me for advice, and even then I tend NOT to give advice but instead allow people to come to their own conclusions).  So I don't know where you get off with some kind of belief that anyone is seeking your advice, either me or anyone  else reading these threads.


Regarding preparations for BTC going down... I am glad that you prepared, and for your information, I am of the impression that I have taken a variety of adequate preparations also.... surely hindsight is 20/20, but I do NOT feel bad about my past choices because I remain of the opinion that I make what I consider decent and reasonable choices based on options then available to me including taking into account a large number of my various personal financial considerations, as described in my first paragraph above.

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Very amusing.

What you fail to notice is the fact that BTC is in a slow descent, with no bottom in sight.

Let's talk through the scenario, BTC keeps dropping (down 49% since July 3rd) that's more than 10% a month.

In response to that what is happening?

People spending their BTC? NO!

People selling their BTC? YES!

People continuing to hoard BTC waiting for it to come back? YES!

People mining any great quantity of BTC on their own? NO!

People cloud mining making tiny BTC profits? YES!

These things above never change and if they don't then BTC will be $150 in 4 months, then it becomes cost prohibitive for anyone but the huge farms like KNC to mine.

By June BTC will be down in the double digits ($85ish) and no one will be interested in it any longer.

You heard it here.



Seems like you've lost your drive & hunger for Bitcoin....what you don't understand is Bitcoin isn't just about how much it's worth. It's a concept which at the moment is suceeding maybe not on a huge level but if someone told you about this new concept 6 years ago and said within this amount of time it would reach highs of $1000 you would of laughed.
All it takes at the moment is a whale to delve into Bitcoin and spend a huge amount which will raise the value and bring more attention from media which means more people will be interested in Bitcoin....or we have a major hack again or something similar of nature which would again bring media attention which would be seen by millions & again even though it's bad news many more people will of heard of Bitcoin and will search up on it.
You might be right it dropping down to double digits...but your not right on people not buying...a huge lot of people are buying Bitcoin. What I think is happening is a lot of people are using the payment processor bitpay which sells their Bitcoin for fiat as soon as they recieve it which decreases the value of Bitcoin. If people stop using bitpay & similar companies then we should see a rise again. Everyone thought bitpay was a great company but in actual facts it's damagining the Bitcoin value & community in general. There are a number of other major factors like more sell orders than buy order but thats obvious & talked about far more often than the point I brought up.



Pissedoff:   I agree with some of your assessment, but NOT all of it.

Personally, I believe what is causing the price to go down is manipulation, and there are some that want to continue to push the prices of BTC down so that they can continue to accumulate and at some point (maybe 1 month from NOW or maybe 6 months or possibly longer), there will be attempts to manipulate in the opposite (upwards direction)... One large whale would be within his/her power to manipulate the price upwards into the $3k to $5k territory, b/c was the price starts to go upward, there will be other whales ready and willing to jump on board.

Really, bitpay and similar are good for bitcoin because they cause liquidation opportunities - which people need to have in order to have additional confidence in BTC when prices go to the next upward level.   Surely, if people are NOW using bitpay and similar to liquidate and they are NOT replacing their coins, then surely, you are correct that those services are merely being used to sell coins... but really, I doubt that those services of bitpay and similar are what really is causing downward price pressures... you can watch the market and see that the downward pressure comes from the purposeful and strategic attempts to dump large quantities of coins on exchanges, and while that conduct remains profitable, that exchange dumping conduct is going to continue.

Additionally, some of these dumpers are accumulating coins on the sly.. so that they will have plenty of coins when the time comes for the upward momentum.


You don't have to agree with any of it, you just have to keep watching and realize I was right then, and I am right now.

BTC=$80 by June

Its down $100 since the last time I told you, in 2 months it will be down another $100


You do NOT know what the fuck you are talking about, and you are just guessing.   and you happened to have guessed somewhat correctly in the past regarding some kind of downward price pressures on bitcoin.. so what....Huh NOW, your goal is to come back and assert that you "told you so" to whoever the fuck will listen to you... and then attempt to assert that you have some kind of knowledge about the future through your continued guessing.

Yes I just keep "guessing" right every single time.

Bitcoin and the current state it is in, is Psychology 101.


If you have a job and you make 10 dollars a week you will spend a percentage of that to food, clothing, gas, car etc. Next week you make another 10 dollars you do the same thing all over again. If the next week you lose your job and you don't get 10 dollars then your spending tends to change, you hunker down and hold what you have.

Replace the word "job" with "bit coin miner"
Replace the word "dollar" with Bitcoin"
above

No one can afford to spend $500 on a miner to create $505 in Bitcoin in 9 months.

The great gold rush is over, every one held on for the next spike, but the next spike isn't coming because Bitcoin production is down a zillion percent and the cost to produce it is up a zillion percent.

Everyone is holding, no one is spending, the Bitcoin economy is circling the drain.

Prove me wrong and quote any event that you see taking place that could possibly turn it around.

I am at a loss.



That's fine if you want to just keep bragging about how smart you are and trying to engagin in an argument, merely because there seems to be a bear trend at the moment. 

I have NO fucking idea how long this bear trend is going to last, and I never claimed to be able to predict short term price directions in BTC, even though in the long term I remain optimistic that the market will turn around and we will return to a bull market in BTC. 

So go around with your cock sureness and be smug... good for you.... that the downtrend continues and you are happy about this (whether your prediction or NOT).




It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



You seem to be a fucking smug retard.  You are attempting to frame this situation in such way as if you are right and I am wrong (or people like me).  You have NO fucking idea about my financial position besides reading through my posts, and even then you would only get a fragmented picture of such.  You do NOT know my cashflow, my other investments, my purpose for being in bitcoin, my various timelines, my views about the future probabilities of bitcoin, my risk tolerance and a large number of other factors.  You are merely going through some smug post-hoc "i told you so" diatribe in order to attempt to make yourself feel good or something.  Get a life.

Regarding Advice:  I certainly am neither asking for advice or giving advice (except maybe if someone specifically asks me for advice, and even then I tend NOT to give advice but instead allow people to come to their own conclusions).  So I don't know where you get off with some kind of belief that anyone is seeking your advice, either me or anyone  else reading these threads.


Regarding preparations for BTC going down... I am glad that you prepared, and for your information, I am of the impression that I have taken a variety of adequate preparations also.... surely hindsight is 20/20, but I do NOT feel bad about my past choices because I remain of the opinion that I make what I consider decent and reasonable choices based on options then available to me including taking into account a large number of my various personal financial considerations, as described in my first paragraph above.

I am doing no such thing,
I don't care two rats balls about you or your financial position,
See that little button under my name that says "ignore" ? click it and spare me.

Are you asking for anything you see or read on this site? No. But you still read it. Again click ignore.

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It's called "Advice" just like you get on TV about your stock investments.

Take it or leave it.

I don't have to engage in an argument, my position is being underlined every day.

Am I happy its going down? No.

Did I prepare for it going down: Yes



Well put.

I'm on both sides of this argument. I think that long term, digital currencies are the wave of monetary future. Fiat currencies always fail, due to the simple fact that central banks can inflate at will, and frequently do so to cover their own tracks or attempt to mitigate against the stupidity of governments. It never works in the long term, but it does "wonders" in the short term. Digital currencies, by contrast, inflate at a very controlled and largely unmanipulable manner. This makes them a better vehicle for finance in many ways. Also, their quick settlement period will make them attractive to financiers and businesses alike, once third party processing becomes prevalent.

And yes, I do realize that removes the "trustless" paradigm for day to day purchases, but that is necessary if BTC or other digital currencies are to break into the mainstream. The average purchaser does not give a damn that his VISA card actually doesn't settle for 14 days, but he does give a damn that his bitcoin transaction takes an hour to be confirmed. With something like a VISA for BTC, that would change, as settlements up the line are cheaper and faster.


Fundamentally, you are correct.

But the main point all bitcoiners seem to be in grand dilliusion with...is thinking somehow BITCOIN will become the currency of the future.

No.  The crypto technology in itself may be the future, but anyone thinking any government would just let a blockchain ran by faceless miners (who also reap the fees) become the world currency, are seriously sniffing the paint fumes.  The government has, can, and always will control money.

So yes, the crypto technology itself may have a bright future.  But rest assured, the government will be the one creating their own (most notably, the US government), which would mean all alts including bitcoin would either take a huge hit or eventually fade away into obscurity.
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Well that doesn't sound like the privately held thoughts of a free thinking individual.

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wrong on all counts ... smacks a lot of stockholm syndrome also.

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