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January 08, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
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mining is what gives bitcoin it's worth

People are what give Bitcoins its worth.  The blockchain is totally fucking worthless without humans (duh...)


gold, silver, diamonds, aluminium, steel, etc, etc are also effing worthless without humans ... however, if humans value something the expense/cost to dig it up, melt it down, calculate, compute, etc is what gives it worth ... think about it.

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...  At first, the production of a commodity simply because it is costly seems quite wasteful. However, the unforgeably costly commodity repeatedly adds value by enabling beneficial wealth transfers. More of the cost is recouped every time a transaction is made possible or made less expensive. The cost, initially a complete waste, is amortized over many transactions. The monetary value of precious metals is based on this principle. It also applies to collectibles, which are more prized the rarer they are and the less forgeable this rarity is. It also applies where provably skilled or unique human labor is added to the product, as with art. ...

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January 09, 2015, 12:01:49 AM
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mining is what gives bitcoin it's worth

People are what give Bitcoins its worth.  The blockchain is totally fucking worthless without humans (duh...)


gold, silver, diamonds, aluminium, steel, etc, etc are also effing worthless without humans ... however, if humans value something the expense/cost to dig it up, melt it down, calculate, compute, etc is what gives it worth ... think about it.

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...  At first, the production of a commodity simply because it is costly seems quite wasteful. However, the unforgeably costly commodity repeatedly adds value by enabling beneficial wealth transfers. More of the cost is recouped every time a transaction is made possible or made less expensive. The cost, initially a complete waste, is amortized over many transactions. The monetary value of precious metals is based on this principle. It also applies to collectibles, which are more prized the rarer they are and the less forgeable this rarity is. It also applies where provably skilled or unique human labor is added to the product, as with art. ...

Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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January 09, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

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January 09, 2015, 12:17:57 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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January 09, 2015, 12:34:06 AM
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You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.

.. quite sure that you've missed mine.

There is only ONE bitcoin blockchain that will never have more than 21 million tradeable units. The bootstrap phase is already over, bitcoin is money, end of story. If you think you can bootstrap similar network effect value into a competing decentralised blockchain and computing hash-backed secure transaction network, good luck to you. Altcoins

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January 09, 2015, 12:36:37 AM
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You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.

.. quite sure that you've missed mine.

There is only ONE bitcoin blockchain that will never have more than 21 million tradeable units. The bootstrap phase is already over, bitcoin is money, end of story. If you think you can bootstrap similar network effect value into a competing decentralised blockchain and computing hash-backed secure transaction network, good luck to you. Altcoins

If Bitcoin dumps any lower we will have to bootstrap it again

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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January 09, 2015, 10:11:23 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.
That's like saying, Gold isn't rare, because I can take a rock and paint it with golden color.

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January 09, 2015, 10:19:20 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.
That's like saying, Gold isn't rare, because I can take a rock and paint it with golden color.

I wish people would stop saying what it's like saying and concentrate on what was actually said. The false analogy just muddies the water even more.

My point was not overly controversial I think.

If a clone of Bitcoin somehow took all the hash, it would then just become Bitcoin again. But gold is uniquely useful in a number of ways that can't easily be replicated. The fact that gold is rare is the reason we don't use it more

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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January 09, 2015, 10:40:16 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.
That's like saying, Gold isn't rare, because I can take a rock and paint it with golden color.

I wish people would stop saying what it's like saying and concentrate on what was actually said. The false analogy just muddies the water even more.

My point was not overly controversial I think.

If a clone of Bitcoin somehow took all the hash, it would then just become Bitcoin again. But gold is uniquely useful in a number of ways that can't easily be replicated. The fact that gold is rare is the reason we don't use it more
If all the gold miners would start mining coal instead. Coal would become gold. Wait, what?
Sorry, but your statements are just perfect for "false analogies" since they don't make much sense.
I don't know, what is so hard to understand about: There will just be 21 million bitcoin ever and a dogecoin is not a bitcoin. So, Bitcoin are rare.

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January 09, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.
That's like saying, Gold isn't rare, because I can take a rock and paint it with golden color.

I wish people would stop saying what it's like saying and concentrate on what was actually said. The false analogy just muddies the water even more.

My point was not overly controversial I think.

If a clone of Bitcoin somehow took all the hash, it would then just become Bitcoin again. But gold is uniquely useful in a number of ways that can't easily be replicated. The fact that gold is rare is the reason we don't use it more
If all the gold miners would start mining coal instead. Coal would become gold. Wait, what?
Sorry, but your statements are just perfect for "false analogies" since they don't make much sense.
I don't know, what is so hard to understand about: There will just be 21 million bitcoin ever and a dogecoin is not a bitcoin. So, Bitcoin are rare.

What if a decade from now a sidechain of Bitcoin is forked and takes all the hash? scBTC and BTC would not be that different. But Gold and Coal are..quite different Roll Eyes

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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January 09, 2015, 10:58:58 AM
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Gold's chemical, electrical, and even some of its physical properties make it such that its rarity is the only thing keeping humans from using it in a variety of ways on a daily basis.

Blockchains are everywhere now. Useful, but not rare

... this is a typically naive objection. Rarity is a necessary but not sufficient condition for money to have value and only one of many monetary properties that a free market evaluates when arriving at valuations.

You have much reading to do, google "subjective theory of value". Ever tried poking 100 ounces of gold through your internet jack to get it to instantly pop out on the other side of the world in your trading partner's hands?

You missed my point maybe. If rarity is a necessary condition, and blockchains aren't rare...

Because logic.
That's like saying, Gold isn't rare, because I can take a rock and paint it with golden color.

I wish people would stop saying what it's like saying and concentrate on what was actually said. The false analogy just muddies the water even more.

My point was not overly controversial I think.

If a clone of Bitcoin somehow took all the hash, it would then just become Bitcoin again. But gold is uniquely useful in a number of ways that can't easily be replicated. The fact that gold is rare is the reason we don't use it more
If all the gold miners would start mining coal instead. Coal would become gold. Wait, what?
Sorry, but your statements are just perfect for "false analogies" since they don't make much sense.
I don't know, what is so hard to understand about: There will just be 21 million bitcoin ever and a dogecoin is not a bitcoin. So, Bitcoin are rare.

What if a decade from now a sidechain of Bitcoin is forked and takes all the hash? scBTC and BTC would not be that different. But Gold and Coal are..quite different Roll Eyes
If they would not be that different, why would scBTC take all the hash? You are just making things up.
If coal in a decade would develop the same attributes as gold, it would overtake gold.

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January 09, 2015, 01:52:02 PM
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Resurrection of the elite thread is normally bullish, but this time it is stuffed with trolls, so, bearish.


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January 09, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
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Resurrection of the elite thread is normally bullish, but this time it is stuffed with trolls, so, bearish.



What's the opposite of wealthy elite?

Destitute commoners maybe?  Someone should start that thread for us...








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January 09, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
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That's what I tell homeless that try to bum from me in San Francisco (there's a lot of them), sorry I don't carry cash - only bitcoins.

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Resurrection of the elite thread is normally bullish, but this time it is stuffed with trolls, so, bearish.



What's the opposite of wealthy elite?

Destitute commoners maybe?  Someone should start that thread for us...









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January 11, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
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That's what I tell homeless that try to bum from me in San Francisco (there's a lot of them), sorry I don't carry cash - only bitcoins.

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I've offered bums jobs and meals. They never accept the offers.
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January 11, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
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I've offered bums jobs and meals. They never accept the offers.

Of course they don't. Maybe meals sometimes, but they'll never accept a job.
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January 11, 2015, 12:29:06 PM
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I've offered bums jobs and meals. They never accept the offers.

Of course they don't. Maybe meals sometimes, but they'll never accept a job.

thats why they are bums.

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January 11, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
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New wealthy elite?  Shocked ahahaha

Talk when/if Bitcoin is ever at 10.000k and i am still holding 200coin then i have a few bob but far from a wealthy elite lol

Wealthy elite own billions we are mere middle class wanna b's
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