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September 16, 2024, 08:44:50 PM
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Butler definitely looks like he would be great for Warriors but that doesn't mean that we are looking at something that will get a great deal but at the same time this is not a real trade and not even a rumour but just a thought experiment and nothing more.

Warriors probably will get to a point where they are going to probably not have anything at all and shouldn't really be considered that great and that is why I think we should not consider this to change that much. They will probably just consider it done and just deal with the season as they are right now without much change. I know that it looks like they are going to see this as changing much and could be something not that well for them and they could probably see this as something that will not be all that complicated at all. Warriors will just end up not that great and probably will miss the playoffs as well, it is not going to be that good anymore. They had their time and now they are done probably.

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September 16, 2024, 10:36:32 PM
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Butler definitely looks like he would be great for Warriors but that doesn't mean that we are looking at something that will get a great deal but at the same time this is not a real trade and not even a rumour but just a thought experiment and nothing more.
That goes for the clout and fans that likes to create rumors are like that.

But if it goes and becomes a real thing, trades like this is going to be a surprising one. What I think is the better rumor and close to reality is about Giannis wanting to move to Dallas.

It's more likely as we've heard it last season IIRC that he wants out of the Milwaukee Bucks.

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September 16, 2024, 11:08:22 PM
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Butler definitely looks like he would be great for Warriors but that doesn't mean that we are looking at something that will get a great deal but at the same time this is not a real trade and not even a rumour but just a thought experiment and nothing more.
That goes for the clout and fans that likes to create rumors are like that.

But if it goes and becomes a real thing, trades like this is going to be a surprising one. What I think is the better rumor and close to reality is about Giannis wanting to move to Dallas.

It's more likely as we've heard it last season IIRC that he wants out of the Milwaukee Bucks.

No way the Bucks move giannis there is no reason too.  No reason to take on Dame without having giannis on the team.  He is locked in for 3 more years amd then a player option for another one.  And I'm not entirely sure he would ever want to leave.  A lot of people don't know but the Bucks organization had a huge part in getting his whole family to the united states.  There's things outside of basketball which makes people want to stay working for a certain team.

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September 16, 2024, 11:27:14 PM
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Actually yesterday I saw a video about possible trade scenarios for Butler to the Golden state warriors.

I don’t think that’s a good idea, IMO. Butler doesn’t really fit the Warriors’ system since he often dominates the ball and plays a lot of one-on-one. Their ball movement would slow down with Butler handling it, and they'd become more predictable.

They should stick with what’s proven- like when they got stronger with Kevin Durant. I’m not sure if there’s anyone like KD available, but if there is, they should go for that instead and just let Butler stay with the Miami Heat.
Not a good idea and probably not gonna happen. I don't believe with such rumors anymore if it's not coming from Woj or anyone that has a reputation about giving these rumors a life. I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.

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September 17, 2024, 05:59:12 AM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.

I’ve seen the joke reports that Butler is going to the Warriors but I don’t believe it. I think he is going to stay put in Miami. The season will be starting before too much longer. I’m curious to see how Ant and Wemby have gotten better during the offseason

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September 17, 2024, 06:16:07 AM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.

I’ve seen the joke reports that Butler is going to the Warriors but I don’t believe it. I think he is going to stay put in Miami. The season will be starting before too much longer. I’m curious to see how Ant and Wemby have gotten better during the offseason

Yeah most of these reports are always pure speculation. In the offseason channels and outlets always jump on stories and report a lot on them just because there is not much else going on. And since JB is a big name in a big market obviously he is worth reporting on. Miami doesn't need to hurry but they als don't want to give Jimmy the extension he is seeking. So if they want to get something for him before his contract expires it would be as soon as possible. Sure there are still 2 seasons left on his current contract but the last year is a player option. I doubt though that he would opt out of a 52 million last year.
On the other hand, if another team would give him what he wants there is still the possibility this might happen.



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September 17, 2024, 07:07:56 AM
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Actually yesterday I saw a video about possible trade scenarios for Butler to the Golden state warriors. It would be beneficial for both teams I guess but I think the Warriors would lose several contributors if they want to pursue Jimmy. Obviously Miami likes young talent and who else of the Warriors would be Kuminga or maybe Podziemski. I think Kuminga has more upside and he would need to be part of a possible package.
Well, for now not much will happen anyway I guess.


 I agree to that, kuminga is a valuable asset and if ever Warriors will push for this possible trade then letting Kuminga might be the risk that they take to get Jimmy, If the managements is aiming for quick outcome then maybe Butler might be a good option for them, let see if there's progress about this or maybe just another fan or poster who loves to catch out attentions that may be forgotten along the  way.

The GSW should never settle for this trade. I mean, Kuminga and Podziemski is a much better pieces for the team than Jimmy Butler. Plus, they are young, Jimmy has like maybe a couple or more years and he's done. Jimmy would mist likely going to retire before the GSW gets another momentum to take a shot for another championship.
The GSW should build a team around these young talents and not send them away.
I don't honestly think they'll do this trade.

They are good fit on the system already and changing it might put them on big risk to lose especially that Butler is a type of player that want to be the main man on the team, So maybe they encounter a problem with this if they make that trade to happen. They don't need a star to join their team and what they need is good chemistry together with their existing teammates. Also what I think their current roster is strong already compare last season. So everything is already fine on their end and they should not entertain this kind of trade.

What GSW need is to develop these guys and maybe they can use them for long term especially if their attitude won't change and they continue to develop or enhance their talents.

Yeah I agree to that, what they need is to keep developing the full potentials of those young stars now that Klay is out they need to maximize the use of each other, developing chemistries and keeping that bond and trust with each other, like you said they are more competitive now compared from what they've got last season, they just need to keep grinding in terms of establishing their system, that same patterns that brought them to many championship rings.

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September 17, 2024, 09:22:12 AM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.

I’ve seen the joke reports that Butler is going to the Warriors but I don’t believe it. I think he is going to stay put in Miami. The season will be starting before too much longer. I’m curious to see how Ant and Wemby have gotten better during the offseason
True, it doesn't make sense for Butler to leave the Heat and then goes to the Warriors? I think he is fine with the Heat as their alpha, they just have to surround himself with another set of new role players as some of them have really left the team for higher pay. But for sure they will have to thank the management for that, for their coach to give him the time and exposure and believed on themselves to be a great players. If Butler will go on other teams, it should be that he will be the leader, just like when he went to the Sixers before, with Joel as the leader that time and with Ben Simmons, there are friction and it was not a fruitful stay with the Sixers.

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September 17, 2024, 10:47:22 AM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.

I’ve seen the joke reports that Butler is going to the Warriors but I don’t believe it. I think he is going to stay put in Miami. The season will be starting before too much longer. I’m curious to see how Ant and Wemby have gotten better during the offseason

Yeah most of these reports are always pure speculation. In the offseason channels and outlets always jump on stories and report a lot on them just because there is not much else going on. And since JB is a big name in a big market obviously he is worth reporting on. Miami doesn't need to hurry but they als don't want to give Jimmy the extension he is seeking. So if they want to get something for him before his contract expires it would be as soon as possible. Sure there are still 2 seasons left on his current contract but the last year is a player option. I doubt though that he would opt out of a 52 million last year.
On the other hand, if another team would give him what he wants there is still the possibility this might happen.

It's just a question on whether if there is a smoke, there is fire. So obviously, this could be half meant news, I mean there could be insider that leaking this kind of information from Butler side that he might not be happy anymore from the Miami Heat as they have been around for many years, reach the championships but never won.

So maybe Butler is thinking of going to another team, a championship team that can give him a ring. However, going to the Warriors will not be a good option as the Warriors will also have to trade a lot of their players just to get them. They already lost Klay already, and so they will have to experiment this season if they can still go and reach at least the playoff for this year before thinking of trading their big players.

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September 17, 2024, 10:55:12 AM
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Butler definitely looks like he would be great for Warriors but that doesn't mean that we are looking at something that will get a great deal but at the same time this is not a real trade and not even a rumour but just a thought experiment and nothing more.
That goes for the clout and fans that likes to create rumors are like that.

But if it goes and becomes a real thing, trades like this is going to be a surprising one. What I think is the better rumor and close to reality is about Giannis wanting to move to Dallas.

It's more likely as we've heard it last season IIRC that he wants out of the Milwaukee Bucks.

No way the Bucks move giannis there is no reason too.  No reason to take on Dame without having giannis on the team.  He is locked in for 3 more years amd then a player option for another one.  And I'm not entirely sure he would ever want to leave.  A lot of people don't know but the Bucks organization had a huge part in getting his whole family to the united states.  There's things outside of basketball which makes people want to stay working for a certain team.

It's just born out of frustrations for Giannis if he wanted to get out of the Bucks. I think it's fair though, last year, they are expecting to have a good team with Dame as the new teammate. Nevertheless, they have a lot of issues, fired their head coach, have a interim that did good for them but eventually replace by Doc Rivers who have been criticized as well.

For Butler, same, maybe he wanted reset of his career and a good destination could be Warriors for him to team up with Steph Curry. But if the Heat will counter offer, not in terms of money, but in terms of players that will surround him, maybe he will stay at least for 2-3 season.

 
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September 17, 2024, 12:20:03 PM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.
Mostly people would like to see him go either with Lakers or Warriors but again, this is all rumors and we shouldn't be heavily invested on the idea of it.
The media keeps on spreading these rumors that might tend to become a false rumor in the end. Or if it's not the media but the loyal fans and supporters of those teams that are linking to this rumor.

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September 17, 2024, 01:03:21 PM
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I do not think that the Miami Heat will be pushing that trade although it's only a rumor and a possible trade scenario.

Yeah, I see a lot of speculation in the media about Butler. Apparently, teams like the Rockets, Spurs, Nuggets, Lakers, and Warriors could be the top contenders for Butler if the Heat want to trade him.
Honestly, I think if the Heat decide to trade him, it might be the beginning of a rebuilding phase on their team that will take a few seasons.
Mostly people would like to see him go either with Lakers or Warriors but again, this is all rumors and we shouldn't be heavily invested on the idea of it.
The media keeps on spreading these rumors that might tend to become a false rumor in the end. Or if it's not the media but the loyal fans and supporters of those teams that are linking to this rumor.

It's the question on why Lakers or Warriors? Why not Detroit Pistons that Jimmy Butler can lead the team again just like what he did when he move to Miami Heat. So for now, this could really be just a rumor that media keeps on spinning or spreading as there are no news of the NBA right now and probably we are just waiting for the opening and there will be no major movements for now.

But in any case that he goes to either of the top teams like the Lakers and the Warriors, it will also cost a lot from them and maybe one or two future picks + current roster that will be involved in this trade for Jimmy Butler.

 
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September 17, 2024, 03:39:10 PM
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Actually yesterday I saw a video about possible trade scenarios for Butler to the Golden state warriors. It would be beneficial for both teams I guess but I think the Warriors would lose several contributors if they want to pursue Jimmy. Obviously Miami likes young talent and who else of the Warriors would be Kuminga or maybe Podziemski. I think Kuminga has more upside and he would need to be part of a possible package.
Well, for now not much will happen anyway I guess.
I read an article about this possible trade scenario. Yes, it would give the Warriors fewer future talents. Kuminga is growing fast and he showcased that during their run in the playoffs because they are filled with injuries. I think that dude just needs more confidence and experience and he will probably be one of the best in the league. I would not sacrifice him, especially now that the Warriors need more speed if they like to run the same play.

It's more likely as we've heard it last season IIRC that he wants out of the Milwaukee Bucks.
It's only possible after they let go of Kyrie and Klay, and maybe more important pieces to make a Luka and Giannis duo. Let's also consider the price of the Bucks superstar and then the salary cap. It will be shocking if it does materialize but I highly doubt that.
The balance of the NBA will be gone and we will probably end up getting bored with that kind of scenario knowing they will win the championship with a high percentage.

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September 17, 2024, 04:54:17 PM
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Actually yesterday I saw a video about possible trade scenarios for Butler to the Golden state warriors. It would be beneficial for both teams I guess but I think the Warriors would lose several contributors if they want to pursue Jimmy. Obviously Miami likes young talent and who else of the Warriors would be Kuminga or maybe Podziemski. I think Kuminga has more upside and he would need to be part of a possible package.
Well, for now not much will happen anyway I guess.
I read an article about this possible trade scenario. Yes, it would give the Warriors fewer future talents. Kuminga is growing fast and he showcased that during their run in the playoffs because they are filled with injuries. I think that dude just needs more confidence and experience and he will probably be one of the best in the league. I would not sacrifice him, especially now that the Warriors need more speed if they like to run the same play.
TBH, I don't think that the Warriors will give that much young and talented player just to get Butler.

Getting Butler will not make them a championship caliber team especially when they will be giving Kuminga and other young stars as an exchange. What Butler wants right now is money that's why he's hinting of him going to the Brooklyn as well because he knows that the Nets have a very huge cap space, enough for him to get a huge contract still. Butler to the Lakers will have more sense than going to the Warriors. Well, what I believe is that, Butler will stay with Miami this season and will try to opt out on his final year of his contract to explore.

Miami might not be a championship caliber team as of this moment, but I think they can still compete in the playoffs especially now that they also have Jacquez Jr.

But if it goes and becomes a real thing, trades like this is going to be a surprising one. What I think is the better rumor and close to reality is about Giannis wanting to move to Dallas.

It's more likely as we've heard it last season IIRC that he wants out of the Milwaukee Bucks.
He said it already a few years ago that if the Bucks' management will not do something to improve the team, he will be going out of Milwaukee. Well, they made a move by getting Damian Lillard, but what they got is a complete failure "ONCE AGAIN".

Giannis to Dallas? Hmmm it seems possible, only if the Mavericks have cap space, but they don't have as of this moment. If the Mavericks will pursue Giannis, they will involve into the trade talks that's for sure. They might use him for a sign-and-trade just to get Giannis. Their combo will be one of the best 1-2 combos if this trade will push through but rumors will remain rumors until it happens. Smiley

 
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September 17, 2024, 05:13:42 PM
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^ Giannis to Dallas doesn’t seem possible to me. I don’t see why he would make that move. I think Dallas has themselves a problem because Luka is rumored to be heading to the Lakers and they built the team around him. The only team I want to see Giannis play for is the Warriors. I think Steph and Giannis would be a legendary pairing.

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September 17, 2024, 06:08:48 PM
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Mostly people would like to see him go either with Lakers or Warriors but again, this is all rumors and we shouldn't be heavily invested on the idea of it.
The media keeps on spreading these rumors that might tend to become a false rumor in the end. Or if it's not the media but the loyal fans and supporters of those teams that are linking to this rumor.

It's the question on why Lakers or Warriors? Why not Detroit Pistons that Jimmy Butler can lead the team again just like what he did when he move to Miami Heat. So for now, this could really be just a rumor that media keeps on spinning or spreading as there are no news of the NBA right now and probably we are just waiting for the opening and there will be no major movements for now.

But in any case that he goes to either of the top teams like the Lakers and the Warriors, it will also cost a lot from them and maybe one or two future picks + current roster that will be involved in this trade for Jimmy Butler.
It will take time for teams like Detroit to built a championship roster and he'll never know the budget that they can do. That's why like what KD did, these stars can go to the teams they think will help them as well as they're going to give each of them a chip.
Both win-win for players and teams that are looking the same.

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September 17, 2024, 06:32:32 PM
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Warriors would make more sense for Butler than Lakers if you ask me, he would be playing with Curry-Hield-Butler-Draymond four at the start and that could honestly be a team that could go for a title if the system fits. Not saying that they would win it all, but I think it's clear that they would have some good time doing something like that, it should be considered. Steve Kerr isn't a bad coach neither, he could make that team work together very well and I believe that they have a good chance as well.

In the end, it all depends on if Miami wants to trade him or not, and I haven't seen anything from the team that shows that they want to trade him, there could be some interest from other teams and that's fine but just because other teams wants him, doesn't mean that he is going to be getting that trade, he will probably end up staying at Miami in the end. We should consider that as a possibility and I believe that it looks like Butler will be there for a long time.

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September 17, 2024, 07:29:25 PM
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Mostly people would like to see him go either with Lakers or Warriors but again, this is all rumors and we shouldn't be heavily invested on the idea of it.
The media keeps on spreading these rumors that might tend to become a false rumor in the end. Or if it's not the media but the loyal fans and supporters of those teams that are linking to this rumor.

It's the question on why Lakers or Warriors? Why not Detroit Pistons that Jimmy Butler can lead the team again just like what he did when he move to Miami Heat. So for now, this could really be just a rumor that media keeps on spinning or spreading as there are no news of the NBA right now and probably we are just waiting for the opening and there will be no major movements for now.

But in any case that he goes to either of the top teams like the Lakers and the Warriors, it will also cost a lot from them and maybe one or two future picks + current roster that will be involved in this trade for Jimmy Butler.
It will take time for teams like Detroit to built a championship roster and he'll never know the budget that they can do. That's why like what KD did, these stars can go to the teams they think will help them as well as they're going to give each of them a chip.
Both win-win for players and teams that are looking the same.

Better to go to the team where chances of winning a chip is more possible since the offer might be still the same its better to play with competitive team instead of going a team where there's no chance, in terms of Jimmy he's not getting any younger and with those minor injuries the chance is slim if he's going to a non competitive squad, best to stay with Miami or aim for the team where he can his talents and win a ring.

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September 17, 2024, 10:47:49 PM
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Warriors would make more sense for Butler than Lakers if you ask me, he would be playing with Curry-Hield-Butler-Draymond four at the start and that could honestly be a team that could go for a title if the system fits. Not saying that they would win it all, but I think it's clear that they would have some good time doing something like that, it should be considered. Steve Kerr isn't a bad coach neither, he could make that team work together very well and I believe that they have a good chance as well.

In the end, it all depends on if Miami wants to trade him or not, and I haven't seen anything from the team that shows that they want to trade him, there could be some interest from other teams and that's fine but just because other teams wants him, doesn't mean that he is going to be getting that trade, he will probably end up staying at Miami in the end. We should consider that as a possibility and I believe that it looks like Butler will be there for a long time.

If I’m managing the Lakers I wouldn’t rush to make any moves while LeBron is still on the roster. They need to be looking at ways to unwind this current team and make room for Luka Doncic. They need to stack draft picks and align contracts to expire. With the possibility of being left without LeBron or AD in another 2 years, a superstar like Luka or Giannis needs to be their only focus.

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