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February 28, 2018, 07:44:30 AM
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Thanks for the kind words!
Email is generally the best way to get a hold of us,  but we do try to monitor this thread too.
Tom is working on some other projects at the moment, but the rest of us are here to help at any time.


The Balls you have..... hahahahahaha


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Saturday:    Hey, quick request, i was playing a little on the bitcoin site tonight and some player dax hit the slot jackpot  😊   

I think it was at 16,000? or 17.... im not sure,   somewhere around there,  (the range that it usually is hit in)......   The Dash site was about the same also maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago, i think it was hit pretty low actually, like around 14,000 (although it may have been higher)


anyway,  once again, on the zcash site, I have brought the jackpot up to 30,000 (for the 4th time in a row, its gone over 30,000),  there is one other player (planti) who also plays, (not much but I'd say hes prob responsible for ~ 20%)

But can you do me a favor,   only because last time between me (75%) and planti (20%) we actually got the jackpot up to something so absurd like over 50,000....

Just to sign on one day and see the one player bcab50fc8c    who never leaves, yet i've never seen play,   magically won the jackpot that I literally spent about a month everynight building up the jackpot to an absurd level that never happens on either of the other two sites.... 



However long it takes to finally win is fine by me,  and to be honest, if planti wins it, I'd be ok with that as well....   (Id be annoyed, but also happy for him, bc he absolutely does play regularly.....)


And I have a feeling the jackpot is gonna go above 30,000... then above 40,000 and prob above 50,000.....etc.   (i dont know why but still),   It was such an insult the last time that happened, by a player who is currently online, yet not playing of course....   and this was after WEEEKS and weeks, every night,   I mean he actually won 12 zcash and 10 zcash on playing 0.002 slot machines.... 

We both know that just isnt how it works...... In fact, unless the jackpot is over 60,000 then I don't see how its possible to win 12.9 on a 0.002 bet, and it was not that high.....


anyway, doesnt matter,   no need to respond, if you dont want me to win, i def understand, let planti get a jackpot.....

(A little less fun, but at least not insulting)



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I just noticed he started playing for the first time, so i guess after a few weeks of me bringing the jackpot above 35,000, he'll magically win it...

Thats just a hunch i have, since im a gambler.... hahahahaha



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hahahahahahhahahahaa are you seriously kidding me?




Im posting those exact emails on the scam list because that was even more blatant than last time, and if im wrong, why dont you fucking respond you little prick.  I hope everyone takes the time to read this post carefully......


He doesnt reply to my emails anymore cuz i bitch all the time, which is understandable, but i used to complain because i was a sore loser, this is just amazing.....

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February 28, 2018, 07:47:10 AM
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I'd just like to remind all our loyal players that we now have:

bitcoinvideocasino.com for BTC Players
dashvideocasino.com for Dash Players
zecvideocasino.com for Zcash Players

BCH and ETH are coming very soon.

What else would everyone like to see?


Yeah how about you respond to my emails??  Are you not receiving them???   hahahahahaha you fuck....

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February 28, 2018, 11:36:02 AM
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Thanks for the kind words!
Email is generally the best way to get a hold of us,  but we do try to monitor this thread too.
Tom is working on some other projects at the moment, but the rest of us are here to help at any time.


The Balls you have..... hahahahahaha


Quick Rundown: Emails sent to Roger

Saturday:    Hey, quick request, i was playing a little on the bitcoin site tonight and some player dax hit the slot jackpot  😊   

I think it was at 16,000? or 17.... im not sure,   somewhere around there,  (the range that it usually is hit in)......   The Dash site was about the same also maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago, i think it was hit pretty low actually, like around 14,000 (although it may have been higher)


anyway,  once again, on the zcash site, I have brought the jackpot up to 30,000 (for the 4th time in a row, its gone over 30,000),  there is one other player (planti) who also plays, (not much but I'd say hes prob responsible for ~ 20%)

But can you do me a favor,   only because last time between me (75%) and planti (20%) we actually got the jackpot up to something so absurd like over 50,000....

Just to sign on one day and see the one player bcab50fc8c    who never leaves, yet i've never seen play,   magically won the jackpot that I literally spent about a month everynight building up the jackpot to an absurd level that never happens on either of the other two sites.... 



However long it takes to finally win is fine by me,  and to be honest, if planti wins it, I'd be ok with that as well....   (Id be annoyed, but also happy for him, bc he absolutely does play regularly.....)


And I have a feeling the jackpot is gonna go above 30,000... then above 40,000 and prob above 50,000.....etc.   (i dont know why but still),   It was such an insult the last time that happened, by a player who is currently online, yet not playing of course....   and this was after WEEEKS and weeks, every night,   I mean he actually won 12 zcash and 10 zcash on playing 0.002 slot machines.... 

We both know that just isnt how it works...... In fact, unless the jackpot is over 60,000 then I don't see how its possible to win 12.9 on a 0.002 bet, and it was not that high.....


anyway, doesnt matter,   no need to respond, if you dont want me to win, i def understand, let planti get a jackpot.....

(A little less fun, but at least not insulting)



Thanks I really appreciate it...

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Wednesday 12:30 am

I just noticed he started playing for the first time, so i guess after a few weeks of me bringing the jackpot above 35,000, he'll magically win it...

Thats just a hunch i have, since im a gambler.... hahahahaha



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hahahahahahhahahahaa are you seriously kidding me?




Im posting those exact emails on the scam list because that was even more blatant than last time, and if im wrong, why dont you fucking respond you little prick.  I hope everyone takes the time to read this post carefully......


He doesnt reply to my emails anymore cuz i bitch all the time, which is understandable, but i used to complain because i was a sore loser, this is just amazing.....

I'd just like to remind all our loyal players that we now have:

bitcoinvideocasino.com for BTC Players
dashvideocasino.com for Dash Players
zecvideocasino.com for Zcash Players

BCH and ETH are coming very soon.

What else would everyone like to see?


Yeah how about you respond to my emails??  Are you not receiving them???   hahahahahaha you fuck....

Hi jasonbourne212,

As we have explained to you multiple times when you have previously made completely unfounded accusations of unfair play, every single game played at all of our casinos is 100% provably fair. What's more, you don't even have to take our word for it - you can verify every single game that you play yourself by using the information provided at the 'Provably Fair' link at the top of any page.

Some players win, some players don't - that is the very nature of gambling, and just because one player doesn't win sometimes that does not mean there is some sort of conspiracy afoot to defraud that player out of winning a jackpot. In fact, due to our provably fair system, such a conspiracy would not be possible!

As always we'll be happy to offer you a loyalty bonus based on your previous month's deposits & play, however, the constant accusations against us of rigging jackpots is getting somewhat tiresome at this point. We have been operating since 2012, and always 100% fairly. If you wish to verify that each game you play is fair we provide all of the information for you to do so. If you choose not to do that then that is your own prerogative and you have absolutely no place calling our sites a scam.

You do not complain when you do hit jackpots such as the Bitcoin Slots jackpot in back in May, 2017, and your email on June 2nd, 2017 stating "I feel like i should get a prize or something to be the first person now to have hit the slot jackpot on all three of your sites..... Z Cash, Dash, and Bitcoin, I KNOW I'm the only one that has done that......" - in June of last year you also made a number of unsubstantiated posts here in this thread and then emailed us letting us know that you deleted them, and asking us to do the same.

You have previously apologised for this kind of behaviour and we accepted that apology but making baseless accusations against us which are an attempt to tarnish our good name and good standing will most certainly be met with a response here. Our business puts roofs over our heads and food on our tables and as such we absolutely will not sit still while someone throws out baseless lies about our site.

We operate a 100% provably fair system for a reason - so that users do not have to trust our word that nothing untoward is happening; they can literally check the fairness of each game themselves, the way it should be on any and every casino!

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Is gamble feature on Poker provably fair?

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February 28, 2018, 02:15:45 PM
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Is gamble feature on Poker provably fair?

Every single game played is provably fair, yes.  Smiley

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March 08, 2018, 02:25:27 PM
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Just noticed the 7-7-7 Diamond progressive on BVC Blackjack *still* has not been hit, it's quite a while now that it's been building up, isn't it?

Last time I checked I think was back in December when it was like 10 BTC and now it's almost 13 BTC?

Anyone know what's the EV on this side bet, actually... i.e. are we in +EV territory yet?  This starts at just like 1.0 BTC, right?  It's gotta be close to +EV if it's not already.  Hmm.  I may have to try playing this a bit if so, even though the BTC version of this site's gotten pretty expensive to play with BTC over $10K nowadays.

It's kind of like the BTC version of BVC is now a "high-limit room" versus playing on their Dash site: those chips being priced like this site's original was, back-in-the-day... LOL

P.S. IF/WHEN *I* hit this 777 jackpot, can I expect the 13+ BTC to be paid out, credited *immediately* on my balance, OR do you guys need to pull a payout like that from cold storage or something?  Ya just got $130,000 laying around there, do you?  LOL

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P.S. IF/WHEN *I* hit this 777 jackpot, can I expect the 13+ BTC to be paid out, credited *immediately* on my balance, OR do you guys need to pull a payout like that from cold storage or something?  Ya just got $130,000 laying around there, do you?  LOL

Hi KeyJockey,

Here's hoping you hit the jackpot! Cool

All wins are immediately credited to your account but depending on the hotwallet balance at any given time we may have to top up to allow the actual withdrawal to be processed. If this were to be the case we would be notified and the funds would then usually be available for withdrawal within 2 - 4 hours.

We do keep the majority of site funds in cold storage at all times, and while we don't discuss the hotwallet's balance for security reasons the level of play on-site will usually allow a 13+ BTC withdrawal without requiring a hotwallet top up. Smiley

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OK cool...  Cool  Thanks for quick reply

Any info on the actual ODDS of hitting this, however... i.e. if 13 BTC is over +ExpectedValue yet?

I've looked around on the 'net a bit this morning (Wizard of Odds, etc) but didn't find any stats on this particular side-game anywhere.

IF it's really +EV now I'll come back and play it for sure, at least a little Wink

And hopefully this post won't draw all the Asian Bot Farms over to the game now, to attack it IF it's really +EV now... LOL  Grin

P.S. You guys have coded this as 8-Decks "continuous shuffle", correct? Maybe if I have time later today I'll try to manually crunch-out the numbers myself and figure out what the odds and EV point of this jackpot is...

P.P.S. I found this...

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/blazing-7s/

...but I don't think it's quite exactly the same, or correct for YOUR version of the game?  Or, "close enough"...?  How does this indicate the jackpot EV point?

P.P.P.S. Also further to be clear IF the player gets 7-7 diamonds on the first deal but it's against, say, a dealer 4 so that correct play is to *split*... is the player necessarily required to instead simply HIT for the 7-7-7 to count for the jackpot OR if you split and still get another 7-Diamond card, that's a jackpot win too?  Just want to be sure how to handle that to be ready for when it inevitably happens to me, LOL

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As we have explained to you multiple times when you have previously made completely unfounded accusations of unfair play, every single game played at all of our casinos is 100% provably fair. What's more, you don't even have to take our word for it - you can verify every single game that you play yourself by using the information provided at the 'Provably Fair' link at the top of any page.

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I don't think the guy you're responding to is saying that you're rigging his games at all. I believe his accusation is that you are using a BVC-controlled account to win the jackpot when it gets to a high value which you do not wish to pay out. I don't think there's enough or really any evidence to support that claim, but still, I don't think you actually addressed his concern at all.
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OK cool...  Cool  Thanks for quick reply

Any info on the actual ODDS of hitting this, however... i.e. if 13 BTC is over +ExpectedValue yet?

I've looked around on the 'net a bit this morning (Wizard of Odds, etc) but didn't find any stats on this particular side-game anywhere.

IF it's really +EV now I'll come back and play it for sure, at least a little Wink

And hopefully this post won't draw all the Asian Bot Farms over to the game now, to attack it IF it's really +EV now... LOL  Grin

P.S. You guys have coded this as 8-Decks "continuous shuffle", correct? Maybe if I have time later today I'll try to manually crunch-out the numbers myself and figure out what the odds and EV point of this jackpot is...

P.P.S. I found this...

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/blazing-7s/

...but I don't think it's quite exactly the same, or correct for YOUR version of the game?  Or, "close enough"...?  How does this indicate the jackpot EV point?

Hi KeyJockey,

When the jackpot will be hit is, of course, impossible for us to predict due to randomness. Regarding EV, as is the case with most casinos Expected Value is something that is left up to the player to determine when playing - we can't really help you on that one, I'm afraid!

P.P.P.S. Also further to be clear IF the player gets 7-7 diamonds on the first deal but it's against, say, a dealer 4 so that correct play is to *split*... is the player necessarily required to instead simply HIT for the 7-7-7 to count for the jackpot OR if you split and still get another 7-Diamond card, that's a jackpot win too?  Just want to be sure how to handle that to be ready for when it inevitably happens to me, LOL

You must have 7-7-7 for the jackpot, and of course you must be playing "Lucky 7's" in the first place by clicking the "PLAY LUCKY 7's - 1 CREDIT" button.


...

As we have explained to you multiple times when you have previously made completely unfounded accusations of unfair play, every single game played at all of our casinos is 100% provably fair. What's more, you don't even have to take our word for it - you can verify every single game that you play yourself by using the information provided at the 'Provably Fair' link at the top of any page.

...


I don't think the guy you're responding to is saying that you're rigging his games at all. I believe his accusation is that you are using a BVC-controlled account to win the jackpot when it gets to a high value which you do not wish to pay out. I don't think there's enough or really any evidence to support that claim, but still, I don't think you actually addressed his concern at all.

Hi cwil,

That may indeed be the accusation being made, however it is an accusation that could thrown at any casino in existence both online or offline. An online casino operator could be trying to win its own jackpots, and an offline casino operator could have players on the floor trying to win their own jackpots. Paradoxically it is an accusation that is impossible to prove on the user's end and impossible to disprove on the casino's end.

I believe it also an accusation that is largely without merit, particularly when it comes from this user; yes, a casino operator could do that, but there is still no guarantee that they will hit the jackpot (due to randomness and the usage of a 100% provably fair system of play). Certainly due to probability the odds may tip in the operator's favour if the operator were playing a number of accounts off against a user, however the win would still be random and thus not guaranteed for the casino. When I mention that is without merit "particularly when it comes from this user", I say this because this particular user has previously won jackpots himself. It is only when other players win the jackpots that he begins to complain about there being some sort of conspiracy at play.

If another player hits a jackpot that this particular user is chasing we often receive incredibly abusive emails which he generally later apologizes for, and acknowledges he is in the wrong for; this suggests that he simply takes umbrage at another player being luckier than himself and that would seem to be what sparked his accusations in this instance.

We have been running since 2012 and we have paid out 1000's of BTC in jackpots and prizes, and we now also provide the opportunity for users to win prizes in DSH and ZEC. We take a huge amount of pride in the fact that our users trust our sites, that they can rest easy in the knowledge that we are 100% provably fair and that they will always receive their winnings - big or small.

I believe we have very much earned this trust over the years and it is a rather offensive suggestion by a user who didn't win a jackpot because another player won it instead to accuse of being somehow untrustworthy despite all of our solid efforts to earn our players' trust . Such is the nature of the casino business though, I suppose!! Sad

Thanks for focusing our answer, cwil, and I hope the above sufficiently addresses those concerns.

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I believe it also an accusation that is largely without merit, particularly when it comes from this user; yes, a casino operator could do that, but there is still no guarantee that they will hit the jackpot (due to randomness and the usage of a 100% provably fair system of play).

First I want to reiterate that I'm not personally making any accusations nor do I think there is any evidence to support this particular allegation. That said, I'm pretty confident that you're not actually understanding what you're being accused of. You have access to the server seed and can set the client seed to anything you want, so you can hit the jackpot at any time you want. There's no randomness involved and if anything, a provably fair design makes this easier to accomplish.

This isn't a BVC problem, it's a problem with any casino that uses a provably fair design and offers any incentive at all for the people with the access necessary to see the server seeds to place bets against the casino. This includes any casino at all really. In your case, it would allow your casino to keep your substantial jackpots. In the case of a site like just-dice, it'd allow the owner to siphon money from the investors. Even with a privately funded venture like primedice, it'd allow the owner to make claims of large wins to attract people to his casino, something that actually happened very soon after that casino opened (not saying those wins were fake, just that they happened and they did generate hype for primedice).

You're not obligated to respond to this as there is no evidence that you've done anything wrong, to my knowledge. The potential does exist, however, and at some point it should probably be addressed by the community.
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You're not obligated to respond to this as there is no evidence that you've done anything wrong, to my knowledge. The potential does exist, however, and at some point it should probably be addressed by the community.

Hi cwil,

Just wanted to check in and let you know that I'll respond to this in full once I have a few minutes free. Obligation to respond or not, we're more than happy to engage in the discussion! Smiley

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I believe it also an accusation that is largely without merit, particularly when it comes from this user; yes, a casino operator could do that, but there is still no guarantee that they will hit the jackpot (due to randomness and the usage of a 100% provably fair system of play).

First I want to reiterate that I'm not personally making any accusations nor do I think there is any evidence to support this particular allegation. That said, I'm pretty confident that you're not actually understanding what you're being accused of. You have access to the server seed and can set the client seed to anything you want, so you can hit the jackpot at any time you want. There's no randomness involved and if anything, a provably fair design makes this easier to accomplish.

This isn't a BVC problem, it's a problem with any casino that uses a provably fair design and offers any incentive at all for the people with the access necessary to see the server seeds to place bets against the casino. This includes any casino at all really. In your case, it would allow your casino to keep your substantial jackpots. In the case of a site like just-dice, it'd allow the owner to siphon money from the investors. Even with a privately funded venture like primedice, it'd allow the owner to make claims of large wins to attract people to his casino, something that actually happened very soon after that casino opened (not saying those wins were fake, just that they happened and they did generate hype for primedice).

You're not obligated to respond to this as there is no evidence that you've done anything wrong, to my knowledge. The potential does exist, however, and at some point it should probably be addressed by the community.

So you are saying that they site is cheating? Because of their seed can be manipulated? So hiw about their provably fair system? Is this really a bad idea to have one of them or even it is useless thing to have that? I know this site is pretty old enough and they never have this provably fair system questioned until this day that someone claimed that they are being cheayed because admin can manually change their seed. Please give us some proof here

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So you are saying that they site is cheating? Because of their seed can be manipulated? So hiw about their provably fair system? Is this really a bad idea to have one of them or even it is useless thing to have that? I know this site is pretty old enough and they never have this provably fair system questioned until this day that someone claimed that they are being cheayed because admin can manually change their seed. Please give us some proof here

I am not saying BVC is cheating. I am saying that any casino that has implemented any commonly known variation of what we call a provably fair system can make winning bets at any time.

Another person previously made the claim that BVC is winning it's own jackpot, but has offered no proof that this is true. While BVC responded to this allegation, they talked about how their provably fair implementation would prevent them from making their users lose bets. However, this other party does not seem to be accusing BVC of making the other party's bets lose, but rather the accusation is that BVC is using knowledge of the server seed for a BVC-owned account to win the jackpot, depriving others that have contributed to that jackpot a fair chance to win themselves. BVC has not responded to this yet and I believe this is because they did not understand the accusation.

That said, I have no proof to offer because I'm not making any accusations. I am simply clarifying the original accusation so that BVC can respond to it if they wish.
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Any info on the actual ODDS of hitting this, however... i.e. if 13 BTC is over +ExpectedValue yet?

I've looked around on the 'net a bit this morning (Wizard of Odds, etc) but didn't find any stats on this particular side-game anywhere.

IF it's really +EV now I'll come back and play it for sure, at least a little Wink

And hopefully this post won't draw all the Asian Bot Farms over to the game now, to attack it IF it's really +EV now... LOL  Grin

P.S. You guys have coded this as 8-Decks "continuous shuffle", correct? Maybe if I have time later today I'll try to manually crunch-out the numbers myself and figure out what the odds and EV point of this jackpot is...

P.P.S. I found this...

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/side-bets/blazing-7s/

...but I don't think it's quite exactly the same, or correct for YOUR version of the game?  Or, "close enough"...?  How does this indicate the jackpot EV point?

Hi KeyJockey,

When the jackpot will be hit is, of course, impossible for us to predict due to randomness. Regarding EV, as is the case with most casinos Expected Value is something that is left up to the player to determine when playing - we can't really help you on that one, I'm afraid!

P.P.P.S. Also further to be clear IF the player gets 7-7 diamonds on the first deal but it's against, say, a dealer 4 so that correct play is to *split*... is the player necessarily required to instead simply HIT for the 7-7-7 to count for the jackpot OR if you split and still get another 7-Diamond card, that's a jackpot win too?  Just want to be sure how to handle that to be ready for when it inevitably happens to me, LOL

You must have 7-7-7 for the jackpot, and of course you must be playing "Lucky 7's" in the first place by clicking the "PLAY LUCKY 7's - 1 CREDIT" button.


Well of course after I wrote that, the EXACT HAND I was speculating on, happened... LOL  Grin Grin Grin



...BUT case in point, just to clarify... you said "You must have 7-7-7" so does that mean ONLY in one-single hand of play's grouping?

So IF I had SPLIT here (as is correct, for basic strategy play) and had gotten another 7-Diamond on the first hand's split, are you saying it would not have qualified for the progressive win??

OR in another instance -- suppose the player STANDS on his "14" instead (two sevens = 14) against the dealer 4 ("bust card") but then the dealer's hit card drawn out of the shoe, happens to be another Seven of Diamonds...?? In THAT case would it *also* have disqualified the 777 jackpot trigger?

SO... again... JUST TO BE CLEAR... are you saying that for your casino, in some instances for this jackpot to qualify, that the player MUST ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO PLAY THEIR HAND INCORRECTLY???

(Notice that in my screenshot above, actually, since I had not yet heard a reply back from you on this question, I decided to play it safe and actually I did just "HIT" my sevens, so I'd have the 777 all together... in case it was coming.  But YES technically that was an approx $14 bet, that I played WRONG, and so LOST it... just in particular because of your casino's rules.)

This just seems a little bit "off" to me, IF this situation is indeed the case.

A casino that's requiring a player to "play wrong" in order to win...?  Hmm.... seriously?

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March 13, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
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I'll preface this by saying normally these guys are great.  Support is definitely slower than before, but they have been good to me. 

I emailed a couple times with similar 777 questions but no reply.

Whether you participate or not, you contribute to the bonus (which blows). The minimum they could do would be to take a few hours and properly spell out the rules for the bonus games.

Keyjockey, if you had split the 77, and the next card dealt was a 7, you would have won (I'm pretty sure anyway). 
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SO... again... JUST TO BE CLEAR... are you saying that for your casino, in some instances for this jackpot to qualify, that the player MUST ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO PLAY THEIR HAND INCORRECTLY???

A casino that's requiring a player to "play wrong" in order to win...?  Hmm.... seriously?

That's common with side games, it's not unique to these games.
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Keyjockey, if you had split the 77, and the next card dealt was a 7, you would have won (I'm pretty sure anyway).  


Well that's what I'd have assumed, before this discussion started.  And notice in the description of this side-game on Wizard of Odds site he says basically the same, i.e. no matter HOW the next-card is played IF there's a 7-7-7 Diamond series coming out of the shoe, the player wins.  Period.  (Even if the dealer is using the third 7-Diamond as his hit card...!)

But BVC Admin seems to be saying "not quite" here... so, I just want to be sure what the REAL rules are before playing this wrong and blowing a $100K jackpot LOL

And, yes, these rule *specifics* ought to be spelled out somewhere CLEARLY on the site.

P.S. BTW I am still not sure what's the +EV point for the jackpot on this game.  My reading of what Wizard of Odds has said about it (link above) seems to indicate that the progressive flips over to +EV somewhere around either 2.3 BTC or maybe it's 9.8 BTC.  But that's with 6 Decks I think, whereas BVC is simulating 8 Decks... so maybe it's still MORE than 9.8 BTC before it's actually positive Expected Value...?

But 13 BTC is still pretty good... anyone know what this 777 Diamond jackpot has ever reached as it's MAXIMUM in the past, on this site?

Admin, can you tell us that much, at least... if this 13 BTC is a "record" for your game yet or whatever it's gotten to in the past?

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Keyjockey, if you had split the 77, and the next card dealt was a 7, you would have won (I'm pretty sure anyway).  

Here's the client-side code that determines if the jackpot is won:

Code:
Blackjack.get_progressive_hand_for_game = function(cards, actions) {
    var sevens = new Array();
    if (actions.length > 0 && actions[0] == "I") {
        actions = actions.slice(1);
    }
    if (Blackjack.get_card_rank_number(cards[0]) == 7) {
        sevens.push(cards[0]);
        if (Blackjack.get_card_rank_number(cards[2]) == 7) {
            sevens.push(cards[2]);
            if (actions.length > 0 && (indexOf("HDS", actions[0]) >= 0) && Blackjack.get_card_rank_number(cards[4]) == 7) {
                sevens.push(cards[4]);
            }
        }
    }
    if (sevens.length == 3) {
        if (sevens[0][1] == sevens[1][1] && sevens[1][1] == sevens[2][1] && sevens[2][1] == "d") {
            return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_THREE_DIAMOND_SEVENS;
        } else {
            if (sevens[0][1] == sevens[1][1] && sevens[1][1] == sevens[2][1]) {
                return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_THREE_SUITED_SEVENS;
            } else {
                return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_THREE_UNSUITED_SEVENS;
            }
        }
    } else {
        if (sevens.length == 2) {
            if (sevens[0][1] == sevens[1][1]) {
                return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_TWO_SUITED_SEVENS;
            } else {
                return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_TWO_UNSUITED_SEVENS;
            }
        } else {
            if (sevens.length == 1) {
                return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_ONE_SEVEN;
            }
        }
    }
    return Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_NOTHING;
}

This states that only the 1st, 3rd, and 5th card dealt are considered for the jackpot, and the 5th card is only considered if the first action taken is a hit, double or stand, unless the first action is buying insurance, in which case it's ignored and we look at the second action.

We can test this with the following:

Code:
> Blackjack.get_progressive_hand_for_game(['7d','5c','7d','jc','7d','js','jh'],"TSS")
< Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_TWO_SUITED_SEVENS

This would be game in which the player is dealt 7d7d, dealer shows jc with 5c hidden. Player splits to get another 7d, player stands, player is dealt js, player stands, dealer is dealt jh. This ends with the player having 7d7d, 7djs and dealer having 5cjcjs, so player wins both hands plus the 50 unit progressive, but not the jackpot.

Edit:

The above is wrong. S = Split, T = Stand, H = Hit. The test should have read:
Code:
> Blackjack.get_progressive_hand_for_game(['7d','5c','7d','jc','7d','js','jh'],"STT")
< Blackjack.PROGRESSIVE_HAND_THREE_DIAMOND_SEVENS

Both splitting and hitting will win the jackpot if the next dealt card is a 7d after being dealt 7d7d.
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Hi guys, just wanted to let you know that I'll be taking some time over the next few hours to answer all of the above. Will check back in with you all shortly! Smiley

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