Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[tokeweed]

But here’s the thing, Jenson Button has the experience acquired from Brawn GP and from working with the man himself.  So he prolly knows a thing or two in what Brawn did differently in that championship winning year.  2009 was it?  I mean what else would Williams hire him for iin an advisory role if not for his experience.    

But the task here isn't developing a car to best exploit the 2009 regulations, it's developing a car to best exploit the 2022 regulations. So the specific stuff they did back in 2009 isn't relevant any more, and I'm sure every team is already well aware of what Brawn did back then in any case.


 

Right right...  I didn’t think about that one.  So I guess he’s there more for helping more with the driver side of things rather than the engineering and technical side of things.

Still, I think Williams is one of those teams to watch out for going forward.  I think in 3 years they’ll become a mid tier team together with Aston Martin, fighting for places against McLaren or Ferrari.  More like I hope they will.  Lol.  

Anyway check out the title of this article.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/995610/1/steiner-haas-will-retain-underdog-status-f1-2022

No sh*t Sherlock. 

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From the statistics that have been seen last season where the Yamaha factory is the only manufacturer that has a very low top speed but can become world champion last season.
So how about this year ?

And if the factory Yamaha's top speed can be increased a little and can be balanced with the factory Ducati, then the competition will be very exciting, because last year Yamaha was able to compete well in several circuits with their flagship rider "Quartararo".

Image source: https://www.motosan.es/motogp/

[justdimin]

But it's also not good to expect the quality of F1 at F3. F1 has the budget and the best racers compared to F3.
As you said, F3 is somewhat alike Indycar so I think we should watch F3 with the expectation that we'll get to see almost the same-like cars and almost same-skilled drivers.

But one thing is that since the cars are almost the same, drivers get a chance to showcase their raw driving talent and that's something that I enjoy.

I didn't mean like the drivers were worse, obviously they are, that is why they are not in F1, which is understandable. What I meant was, it is not even entertaining to watch it, I just watched 3 races basically and aside from Arthur Lerlerc being there as brother of Charles which made it a bit more easy to root for someone (I literally didn't know any other), it felt a bit bland.

Cars could be worse, teams could be worse, drivers could be worse, but not having any type of dynamic or adrenaline rush is the lacking part. I watch F1 and have fun because it is such a fast paced adrenaline rush, anything could happen at any moment, but here? It just feel like cars going around and finishing without much happening in between.

[coinlocket$]

The Austin Gp will change for the next year.

Work in progress.



https://twitter.com/COTA/status/1484271728142467079l

[alegotardo]

The Austin Gp will change for the next year.

Work in progress.

~snip image~

https://twitter.com/COTA/status/1484271728142467079l

Good to know that they are investing a lot in this circuit, because the last season was very criticized by the drivers, Esteban Ocon had already stated that the track was at the limit of conditions, Red Bull had been forced to repair a crack found in the front wing of Max Verstappen and several other cars, including Ocon, ended up withdrew from the race at that circuit due to problems that were probably caused by the sharp swells.
F1 should be more rigorous in the inspection and approval of circuits.
Anyway... I hope it's a thing of the past.

[Republikcoin.com]

The Austin Gp will change for the next year.

Work in progress.



https://twitter.com/COTA/status/1484271728142467079l

The Austin Texas America circuit deserves to be repaired because in the last year many riders have complained about the many waves on the circuit track which can cause many things to happen suddenly, such as crashes and a decrease in motorcycle performance.
So I think the steps taken by the Austin Circuit have been very appropriate by improving all the circuit surfaces needed for this season.

[minairia3]

The Austin Gp will change for the next year.
Work in progress.
~snip image~
https://twitter.com/COTA/status/1484271728142467079l

Good to know that they are investing a lot in this circuit, because the last season was very criticized by the drivers, Esteban Ocon had already stated that the track was at the limit of conditions, Red Bull had been forced to repair a crack found in the front wing of Max Verstappen and several other cars, including Ocon, ended up withdrew from the race at that circuit due to problems that were probably caused by the sharp swells.
F1 should be more rigorous in the inspection and approval of circuits.
Anyway... I hope it's a thing of the past.

I think it is appreciable that F1 could understand the problem and act accordingly.
I remember last time a lot of the cars had minor to major damage because of the structure of the track.
These types of even minor damages turn out to be a big factor in terms of the results.
So, I just hope that every problem that faced last time has been fixed.

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I think it is appreciable that F1 could understand the problem and act accordingly.
I remember last time a lot of the cars had minor to major damage because of the structure of the track.
These types of even minor damages turn out to be a big factor in terms of the results.
So, I just hope that every problem that faced last time has been fixed.

Since last year this has been felt by all teams in F1 and also by all teams in MotoGP because in 2020 there will be no races there so there is no problem about that minor damage.
But if for example there is a race in 2020 there I think the same thing as last year will also be felt by all teams and make the circuit party have to hurry to fix it too

[Iranus]

But it's also not good to expect the quality of F1 at F3. F1 has the budget and the best racers compared to F3.
As you said, F3 is somewhat alike Indycar so I think we should watch F3 with the expectation that we'll get to see almost the same-like cars and almost same-skilled drivers.

But one thing is that since the cars are almost the same, drivers get a chance to showcase their raw driving talent and that's something that I enjoy.

I didn't mean like the drivers were worse, obviously they are, that is why they are not in F1, which is understandable. What I meant was, it is not even entertaining to watch it, I just watched 3 races basically and aside from Arthur Lerlerc being there as brother of Charles which made it a bit more easy to root for someone (I literally didn't know any other), it felt a bit bland.

Cars could be worse, teams could be worse, drivers could be worse, but not having any type of dynamic or adrenaline rush is the lacking part. I watch F1 and have fun because it is such a fast paced adrenaline rush, anything could happen at any moment, but here? It just feel like cars going around and finishing without much happening in between.

I think not having better cars and drivers is directly related to the level of entertainment they can provide.
For example, in F1 we have better drivers and better cars, and also better marketing, so the hype is always there.
But F3 doesn't market that much as F1 or neither do they have the quality drivers. As a result, the hype is not there, and watching F3 for us F1 fans seems bland.

[jostorres]

Many tracks are getting an overhaul, I do not know why that is, first from Belgium, now from USA, we are getting more and more news about tracks renewing, is there like a benefit or something to doing this? Or is it purely because tracks just needing some renovation?

I am sure that F1 is not the only race that happens in these tracks, so that many races on that frequent times ended up causing some damages and that is why some of the renovations were done, but I also wonder if it helps the track owners in some way or another? Like do they change something that fits the regulations of more race sports that allows these tracks to include more types of racing and earn more money from it?

[swogerino]

Many tracks are getting an overhaul, I do not know why that is, first from Belgium, now from USA, we are getting more and more news about tracks renewing, is there like a benefit or something to doing this? Or is it purely because tracks just needing some renovation?

I am sure that F1 is not the only race that happens in these tracks, so that many races on that frequent times ended up causing some damages and that is why some of the renovations were done, but I also wonder if it helps the track owners in some way or another? Like do they change something that fits the regulations of more race sports that allows these tracks to include more types of racing and earn more money from it?

Usually changes and renovation are to build better things,in this case tracks.I think as you say track tarmac gets worn out over time and it needs some maintenance,a track like SPA for me being the most iconic track of all times where the best overtaking has happened including that Mika Hakinnen double overtake against Schumacher which for me is the best overtake of all times well except Donington race of 1993 where Senna got from sixth to first within a single lap.Also money is involved big time in F1 as if there are tracks without sponsorship they usually get out of the calendar if enough money is not collected for the race to be raced at these specific tracks.You see that countries with a lot of money like Abu Dhabi renewed their contract in F1 for up to 2030 to race there as they got the money.

[Koal-84]

From the statistics that have been seen last season where the Yamaha factory is the only manufacturer that has a very low top speed but can become world champion last season.
So how about this year ?

And if the factory Yamaha's top speed can be increased a little and can be balanced with the factory Ducati, then the competition will be very exciting, because last year Yamaha was able to compete well in several circuits with their flagship rider "Quartararo".

Image source: https://www.motosan.es/motogp/

Yamaha and Suzuki also have a different engine concept than the other manufacturers with an in-line engine, remember the last two world champions were on in-line engines, but Yamaha is already far behind with the engine power and absolutely must be increased, otherwise the Yamaha driver must be very strong and aggressive on the brakes because there is such a big difference in speed on the straights.

[LTU_btc]

Many tracks are getting an overhaul, I do not know why that is, first from Belgium, now from USA, we are getting more and more news about tracks renewing, is there like a benefit or something to doing this? Or is it purely because tracks just needing some renovation?

I am sure that F1 is not the only race that happens in these tracks, so that many races on that frequent times ended up causing some damages and that is why some of the renovations were done, but I also wonder if it helps the track owners in some way or another? Like do they change something that fits the regulations of more race sports that allows these tracks to include more types of racing and earn more money from it?

There is multiple reasons. Some tracks simply didn't had overhaul for long time, so, it's needed in order to keep Grade 1 certficate. Abu Dhabi repair made to make race more interesting. In Spa they build new stands to accept more spectators and also make changes to held 24 hours moto race.
In general yes, changes in tracks allows owners to accept more type of racing and offcourse earn from it. Though, overhaul isn't cheap thing, it will took some time return ivestment.

[laurenB7742]

Many tracks are getting an overhaul, I do not know why that is, first from Belgium, now from USA, we are getting more and more news about tracks renewing, is there like a benefit or something to doing this? Or is it purely because tracks just needing some renovation?

I am sure that F1 is not the only race that happens in these tracks, so that many races on that frequent times ended up causing some damages and that is why some of the renovations were done, but I also wonder if it helps the track owners in some way or another? Like do they change something that fits the regulations of more race sports that allows these tracks to include more types of racing and earn more money from it?

There is multiple reasons. Some tracks simply didn't had overhaul for long time, so, it's needed in order to keep Grade 1 certficate. Abu Dhabi repair made to make race more interesting. In Spa they build new stands to accept more spectators and also make changes to held 24 hours moto race.
In general yes, changes in tracks allows owners to accept more type of racing and offcourse earn from it. Though, overhaul isn't cheap thing, it will took some time return ivestment.

I think overhauling the tracks every 3 or 5 years is a good thing. Because over time the quality degrades and it sometimes damages the cars which impact the results a lot.
As a result, to maintain optimum track-health, Making changes now and then or sometimes making a complete overhaul is a good thing I would say.

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Yamaha and Suzuki also have a different engine concept than the other manufacturers with an in-line engine, remember the last two world champions were on in-line engines, but Yamaha is already far behind with the engine power and absolutely must be increased, otherwise the Yamaha driver must be very strong and aggressive on the brakes because there is such a big difference in speed on the straights.

That's very clear and I also totally agree with what you're saying because the data shows that Yamaha and Suzuki are both trailing on the straights although they can improve on entering corners and exiting corners.
Because the handling of motorbikes that use an In-Line4 configured engine is always better and faster in terms of corners, so there needs to be more aggressiveness for each rider.

[Luzin]

So how about this year ?

And if the factory Yamaha's top speed can be increased a little and can be balanced with the factory Ducati, then the competition will be very exciting, because last year Yamaha was able to compete well in several circuits with their flagship rider "Quartararo".

Image source: https://www.motosan.es/motogp/

I think Ducati will be the favourites for next season. Their performance was outstanding last season. Imagine there are 3 ducati riders in the top five final class of the race. I was very surprised, the ducati bike set-up seemed to be developed for all. It looks very different in Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda riders. There are some riders who dominate, so it looks very different on the stingan of their bike. Because it looks like they put their star drivers first. It's just my opinion, I don't see the truth but it's very visible in the race.

[Koal-84]

The Austin Gp will change for the next year.

Work in progress.

~snip image~

https://twitter.com/COTA/status/1484271728142467079l

Good to know that they are investing a lot in this circuit, because the last season was very criticized by the drivers, Esteban Ocon had already stated that the track was at the limit of conditions, Red Bull had been forced to repair a crack found in the front wing of Max Verstappen and several other cars, including Ocon, ended up withdrew from the race at that circuit due to problems that were probably caused by the sharp swells.
F1 should be more rigorous in the inspection and approval of circuits.
Anyway... I hope it's a thing of the past.

The operators of the Grand Prix also had to do something, there was very strong criticism in MotoGP and some also said they would no longer race on this asphalt next year, too dangerous. There was also criticism in Formula 1.

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/friday-motogp-summary-2021-americas-gp-motomatters/

Yamaha and Suzuki also have a different engine concept than the other manufacturers with an in-line engine, remember the last two world champions were on in-line engines, but Yamaha is already far behind with the engine power and absolutely must be increased, otherwise the Yamaha driver must be very strong and aggressive on the brakes because there is such a big difference in speed on the straights.

That's very clear and I also totally agree with what you're saying because the data shows that Yamaha and Suzuki are both trailing on the straights although they can improve on entering corners and exiting corners.
Because the handling of motorbikes that use an In-Line4 configured engine is always better and faster in terms of corners, so there needs to be more aggressiveness for each rider.

That's also correct but the last years Ducati also improve the handling and have the strongest engine, so with Mord performance from the in-liners i think Ducati is the fast bike 2022 and Bagnaia is a very very good driver.

[AakZaki]

From the statistics that have been seen last season where the Yamaha factory is the only manufacturer that has a very low top speed but can become world champion last season.
So how about this year ?

~snip~

I don't really understand the Yamaha bike engine but I see that. Yamaha lost a lot on the straight track. If they don't clean up soon maybe they will be difficult to compete in the next year. I think if the combination is fast in the corners and the straights it will be incredible. But it seems like it's just a dream, the Racers will have to work very hard if it comes true.  But it's certainly interesting. Ducati may have come a long way, they should be the favourites for next season's championship.

[jostorres]

There is multiple reasons. Some tracks simply didn't had overhaul for long time, so, it's needed in order to keep Grade 1 certficate. Abu Dhabi repair made to make race more interesting. In Spa they build new stands to accept more spectators and also make changes to held 24 hours moto race.
In general yes, changes in tracks allows owners to accept more type of racing and offcourse earn from it. Though, overhaul isn't cheap thing, it will took some time return ivestment.

I mean racing was never something to make money from that easily, most of the teams make a loss if you look at F1 teams, but they still do it, it is a bit about marketing as well. Secondly I feel like track owners were exception to this, they didn't look like they had too much cost, I mean sure they have some, but not like teams at least, it is just track, but if the overhaul is too expensive, then considering how much they make, it must take years before they make a profit like you said and then it's once again getting closer to doing it all over again.

If we assume it takes 7 years to ROI on that investment, and you need to do it every 10 years, then it is only 3 years of profit. This is of course making it up without any numbers, I am just guessing to calculate how profitable it is to own one of these tracks, maybe it is not as profitable as I assumed.

[Koal-84]

Today, the Mercedes Petronas AMG F1 Team published new black and white photos on their Twitter account.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1485945116967813124?s=20



Is this a hint from the Mercedes team that Hamilton's career is coming to an end, if so who could replace him?

When this is the Ende, and why published Mercedes little bit later a picture from Kimi and Hamilton, a one year return from Kimi?

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1486047872168693768?s=20