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Even Yamaha is not in the top ten. Indeed this is just the initial test, there are still some tests and of course the race series. Of course this result makes the yamaha supporters worried. Top speed problems should start to be developed by Yamaha, they should immediately overtake the top speed of other motorcycles. Otherwise the title will probably be difficult they can get.

This year Yamaha is a manufacturer with the status of defending champion because last season Yamaha was the world champion in MotoGP.
But considering that other manufacturers have started to develop in two steps, then Yamaha should also develop for one step even though it will not be enough to compete but can be very qualified for their initial capital.

Even I was surprised because Marquez had already tested and he became the fastest rider. Aprlia, Ducati has a power similar to Honda. They'll probably be the candidates for next season's championship. But I don't know, it's possible that top speed is not the main factor but I think it's support that.

Top speed is indeed not the main factor that must be considered because considering the 2020 season where the Suzuki manufacturer managed to become the MotoGP world champion by only relying on good handling and motorcycle balance, while the top speed was not so fast.

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[imamusma]

Honda itself admits to having made progress with the new bike, even if they don't seem to give Marc Marquez such a big advantage over the other Honda riders, he has crashed 2 times already. Development seems to have been placed more on the rear than on the front wheel in recent years. But until the start of the season Marc can still make some adjustments to improve the bike.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/news-275396-marc-marquez-neue-honda-zwingt-ihn-zu-opfern/

That's true, and from some of the news that I read, it was also the case where Marquez felt he had lost the front during a test session in Sepang on 5 - 6 February 2022 so that Marquez had a crash because he didn't fully understand the performance of the new motorbike, however, Marquez also able to show an extraordinary action by being in the top ten and in terms of top speed motor, marquez is also at the top when compared to the others.

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Yes this becomes natural because they are curious about MotoGP. Maybe if the series was already running there would be many more people who saw. Maybe I'd even go there if it was just one province.  Regarding the pre-season test I hope many manufacturers are not disappointed with the facilities there because they say they are still in the process of being worked on. In addition, the bad news about WSBK last year hopefully also not repeated for this year's MotoGP series. I hope the people who work there are able to maintain and comply with the standards provided by Dorna.

At the time of the WSBK event at the Mandalika circuit last year, what was very crucial was the very high rainfall so that a lot of puddles entered the Pitlane and this clearly disturbed the WSBK team at that time.
But for this year I think the circuit has also started to improve this and also set standards for all areas including for the audience and for other things that are considered important, so in general I think Mandalika is very ready for this MotoGP season.

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Oh cool.  And that it’s really Aston Martin he’s looking at that might have found the loop hole?  I was thinking that it might be Adrian Newey again like with the blown diffuser.  Lol.  Which was originated by Ross Brawn in Brawn GP’s title winning run of 2009 with Jenson Button.  

Anyway, I’m excited to find out who that team is.  It could be Williams too as they’re the most likely to think out of the box as said before.  But which ever team it is, it’s good for F1 as long as it’s not RBR or Merc.

Probably not, they are rumored to be a slow car.
We will know more during this week with the presentation but you know, they could use fake cars in these presentations to give no chance of copying before the tests.

[TheGreatPython]

I feel like Aston Martin (a car manufacturer) would know what to pick and why to pick what they picked. I know it is not really something that people would love to see when there are different type of cars and have bad results and feel like it is because the car is different, but they may have felt that they would be even worse with the other type of car, and just accepted that they would be worse than others but better than other car version of themselves.

Or maybe they made a right choice and they will be great? I do not know, none of us know right now. We will just have to wait and see how it works out, they could be 5th+ place because of it, they could be better than this year because of it, we just have to wait and see.

Alfa Romeo is a car manufacturer, they were 9th last season, Aston Martin was 7th as well, just because the name is the same one as car manufacturer, doesn't mean that the same people are working on it. These companies leave some money aside, and consider it as marketing expense and go about their usual day building cars.

These teams have basically separate entities of their own, they are racing teams basically sponsored by the car company to be fair, sure they have ownership stake and all but I do not believe that they get involved all that much directly. So what happens? Whatever amount you give, that much result you get, Mercedes spends a lot, so they become first, Aston martin doesn't so they end up having a bad car.

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Wel, it's a consensus that Ducati are the best bikes on the grid. The technical boss of the brand, Gigi Dall'Igna, knew how to add other qualities besides the "cannon engine". Balanced bikes, stable in braking, unbeatable in acceleration and agile in trajectory changes, Ducati should only have when the subject is speed in curves, heritage of Suzuki and Yamaha. Incidentally, a quality has everything to do with the architecture of its engines, 4 cylinders in line, while the rest of the grid - Aprilia, Ducati, Honda and KTM - uses V4 engines.

The robustness of the Ducati engine is not in doubt by everyone and all parties, even the application of the winglet which was first used by the manufacturer from Borgo Panigale (DUCATI) has been widely seen and imitated by others. But when entering and exiting the corners it seems that Ducati is still a bit slow compared to manufacturers who use inline 4 cylinder engines like Yamaha and Suzuki.

You can see how the overhaul of the Aprilia bike, the rear is almost very similar to the Ducati, as well as the Honda factory this year where the front and rear are almost similar to the Ducati.
But what is very regrettable is that Ducati has only won the MotoGP world once through the hands of Casey Stoner in 2007, after that it was gone.

[Koal-84]

Even Yamaha is not in the top ten. Indeed this is just the initial test, there are still some tests and of course the race series. Of course this result makes the yamaha supporters worried. Top speed problems should start to be developed by Yamaha, they should immediately overtake the top speed of other motorcycles. Otherwise the title will probably be difficult they can get.

This year Yamaha is a manufacturer with the status of defending champion because last season Yamaha was the world champion in MotoGP.
But considering that other manufacturers have started to develop in two steps, then Yamaha should also develop for one step even though it will not be enough to compete but can be very qualified for their initial capital.

Even I was surprised because Marquez had already tested and he became the fastest rider. Aprlia, Ducati has a power similar to Honda. They'll probably be the candidates for next season's championship. But I don't know, it's possible that top speed is not the main factor but I think it's support that.

Top speed is indeed not the main factor that must be considered because considering the 2020 season where the Suzuki manufacturer managed to become the MotoGP world champion by only relying on good handling and motorcycle balance, while the top speed was not so fast.

I don't think Yamaha has a chance for the title this year, according to interviews and test results, Yamaha made the smallest steps in development, even Suzuki pushed more power out of the in-line engine, obviously Yamaha didn't. My favorite this year is Bagnaia with the very strong Ducati.

The top speed is not decisive, but Yamaha is now far behind the other teams, and overtaking without top speed becomes even more difficult, you have to be even more aggressive on the brakes and take more risks.

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Wel, it's a consensus that Ducati are the best bikes on the grid. The technical boss of the brand, Gigi Dall'Igna, knew how to add other qualities besides the "cannon engine". Balanced bikes, stable in braking, unbeatable in acceleration and agile in trajectory changes, Ducati should only have when the subject is speed in curves, heritage of Suzuki and Yamaha. Incidentally, a quality has everything to do with the architecture of its engines, 4 cylinders in line, while the rest of the grid - Aprilia, Ducati, Honda and KTM - uses V4 engines.

The robustness of the Ducati engine is not in doubt by everyone and all parties, even the application of the winglet which was first used by the manufacturer from Borgo Panigale (DUCATI) has been widely seen and imitated by others. But when entering and exiting the corners it seems that Ducati is still a bit slow compared to manufacturers who use inline 4 cylinder engines like Yamaha and Suzuki.

You can see how the overhaul of the Aprilia bike, the rear is almost very similar to the Ducati, as well as the Honda factory this year where the front and rear are almost similar to the Ducati.
But what is very regrettable is that Ducati has only won the MotoGP world once through the hands of Casey Stoner in 2007, after that it was gone.

Ducati most of the time has the best engine in terms of speed,it is the fastest Moto in the world as far as I know and if things haven't changed in these last couple of years.However that speed is only valid in long straights and there it can make a difference but the problem is most of the tracks of MotoGP has not such big straights and they are with a lot of twisted turns as a track really should be in my opinion.Other manufacturers do not rely heavily on top speed like Ducati does and top speed here doesn't assure you will win the Championship although it can assure you can win those races like Barcelona where the straight is really big and Ducati has won it several times.

[jakdanyel]

Red Bull Racing have announced that they are going to reveal the RB18 today at 5 pm CET. It is really exciting to witness the teams launching their new cars one by one these days. And the ones that I have been curious about the most are Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull's cars. There is still some time to see Ferrari and Mercedes' cars now. Ferrari are going to reveal it on February 17 and Mercedes are going to do it one day after them. We are getting close to the new season quickly now and the excitement level is rising.

https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1491336568912502786?s=20&t=JFz766IbESn4Ld_tE0pK_A

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Oh cool.  And that it’s really Aston Martin he’s looking at that might have found the loop hole?  I was thinking that it might be Adrian Newey again like with the blown diffuser.  Lol.  Which was originated by Ross Brawn in Brawn GP’s title winning run of 2009 with Jenson Button.  

Anyway, I’m excited to find out who that team is.  It could be Williams too as they’re the most likely to think out of the box as said before.  But which ever team it is, it’s good for F1 as long as it’s not RBR or Merc.

Probably not, they are rumored to be a slow car.
We will know more during this week with the presentation but you know, they could use fake cars in these presentations to give no chance of copying before the tests.

Oh ok.  Lol.  So which team is rumored to have its Brawn GP moment for this coming season?  I mean if it’s Red Bull or Mercedes then it shouldn’t be considered a Brawn GP moment, don’t you think?  It’s expected of those two teams to lead the pack once again.

And I don’t think Ferrari could be considered for a Brawn GP moment too cos they’re a big team with all the technical know how to build a car from scratch, not to mention the money they have.  Even McLaren.  So that leaves Haas, Williams, Aston Martin, Alpine and Alpha Tuari.  Could it be Alpine?  Kinda hopeful it’s Willaims if not Aston Martin tho.  

[Cnut237]

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team?  So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch.  Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.

Exactly, Domenicali who is the man who knows already everything thanks to his position, already said that someone could find a loophole.
Someone maybe has found a grey area of the regulation and used to get a big advantage as Brawn GP did back in old days.

Oh cool.  And that it’s really Aston Martin he’s looking at that might have found the loop hole?  I was thinking that it might be Adrian Newey again like with the blown diffuser.  Lol.  Which was originated by Ross Brawn in Brawn GP’s title winning run of 2009 with Jenson Button.  

Anyway, I’m excited to find out who that team is.  It could be Williams too as they’re the most likely to think out of the box as said before.  But which ever team it is, it’s good for F1 as long as it’s not RBR or Merc.

I'm excited as well to find out if one team has managed to break clear of the others with a radical design. But TBH I'm kind of hoping that no-one has, it doesn't make for a great season if we know the same team is going to win every race. My ideal scenario is that all of the teams come out with similar designs, and no-one is too far ahead of anyone else, then we can see if the 'closer racing' idea will really work.

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^  I wouldn’t mind and I really think it’s great but only if it’s not one of the big teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari and to a point, McLaren.  The Alpha Tauri team could somewhat be considered a bigger team too with its connection to Red Bull.

Like I said a few weeks back, if there’s a team that could think out of the box, it’s Williams.  They have a great team of that doesn’t have much experience in F1.  So they’re prolly be thinking different than their counterparts.  But then again judging from the constructors championship last year, Alpine could be another decent guess.

[FanEagle]

Red Bull Racing have announced that they are going to reveal the RB18 today at 5 pm CET. It is really exciting to witness the teams launching their new cars one by one these days. And the ones that I have been curious about the most are Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull's cars. There is still some time to see Ferrari and Mercedes' cars now. Ferrari are going to reveal it on February 17 and Mercedes are going to do it one day after them. We are getting close to the new season quickly now and the excitement level is rising.

It does look great. I thought it would be a bit more light colours, but they have seemed to pick a darker colour of their product. We all need to remember that these companies are investing into these cars because their main thing is sponsorship.

You do not have to make money or profit from it, companies will end up paying for the difference and Red Bull is not different from others. Which means that how it looks changes so much. I actually did purchase red bull a few times literally because I saw it so much on TV when I was watching. Not like some sort of "support" because they are billion dollars worth companies and do not need me but I said red bull too much in a season and sometimes it just makes you want to drink some.

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The top speed is not decisive, but Yamaha is now far behind the other teams, and overtaking without top speed becomes even more difficult, you have to be even more aggressive on the brakes and take more risks.

Reflecting on 2021 even the Yamaha M1 is the slowest motorbike compared to the others, with an average speed of 325.35 km/h, far from what its competitors do.
But there is an interesting thing here, they will not be able to win if they compete in a straight line but they can be said to be one who is well balanced in maneuvers.
On the other hand, Ducati can still be quite good now but this lack of Ducati is inversely proportional to Yamaha, which indeed they rely more on speed but their maneuvers tend to be inferior to Yamaha or Suzuki.

[AakZaki]

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The top speed is not decisive, but Yamaha is now far behind the other teams, and overtaking without top speed becomes even more difficult, you have to be even more aggressive on the brakes and take more risks.

Yes, it is only a pre-season test but last year Yamaha also did not have speed. They are capable of winning, whether I don't hear the news about the development of Yamaha's power. I think it's Ducati and Aprilia who look more advanced at the moment. But last season Yamaha was still able to overcome that, even if it was just Quartararo. It's only natural that you're looking for Ducati, last season three of their riders were in the top four of the final class. In addition, they became constructors' champions.

[Distraction]

Red Bull have revealed their new car (RB18) but I didn't see too much change about its appearance. The livery seemed the same to me but I wasn't waiting for a substantial change either. I'm thinking the same for Mercedes' car too which is going to be revealed one or two weeks later. But maybe we could see some changes for Ferrari. Because they have made people quite hyped about their next season. And maybe they can make some changes in the look of their car too. I'm looking forward to seeing their performance especially.

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Red Bull have revealed their new car (RB18) but I didn't see too much change about its appearance. The livery seemed the same to me but I wasn't waiting for a substantial change either. I'm thinking the same for Mercedes' car too which is going to be revealed one or two weeks later. But maybe we could see some changes for Ferrari. Because they have made people quite hyped about their next season. And maybe they can make some changes in the look of their car too. I'm looking forward to seeing their performance especially.

If you look at comparison with previous season car, changes isn't significant, but it's visible:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLKzPi1XsAAmYSK?format=jpg&name=large
It was difficult to expect big changes from Red Bull. An as said by Horner, this is not how exactly car will look in tests or season. There will be many changes made:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.horner-admits-rb18-wont-look-very-much-like-launch-car-as-red-bull-prepare.6MJiaUFkHyPBoNQcrsoflm.html
BTW, If we talk about livery, Mercedes is going to return their silver color.

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Keep in mind these are "fake cars".
They will only use a model car far away from what they will use during the tests and races.
The model is only here for the media, it is here with "fake" wings and without secrets.

The RedBull is the basic FIA F1 car used to presents the new cars with the Redbull logos applied.

[imamusma]

Reflecting on 2021 even the Yamaha M1 is the slowest motorbike compared to the others, with an average speed of 325.35 km/h, far from what its competitors do.
But there is an interesting thing here, they will not be able to win if they compete in a straight line but they can be said to be one who is well balanced in maneuvers.
On the other hand, Ducati can still be quite good now but this lack of Ducati is inversely proportional to Yamaha, which indeed they rely more on speed but their maneuvers tend to be inferior to Yamaha or Suzuki.

From the first this has happened very often where Ducati only evolved to a speed on the straight track but did not consider the speed in the corners or their maneuvers so that Ducati riders must always be able to balance their bikes when entering corners and exiting corners.
But if you look at the last two years where Suzuki won the MotoGP championship in 2020 and was followed by Yamaha in 2021, then Ducati should have opened their eyes to this because just relying on speed on the straight track will not always be enough to become MotoGP world champion.

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I don't think Yamaha has a chance for the title this year, according to interviews and test results, Yamaha made the smallest steps in development, even Suzuki pushed more power out of the in-line engine, obviously Yamaha didn't. My favorite this year is Bagnaia with the very strong Ducati.

I am also not sure about Yamaha's performance this year because there are not many changes to the engine side so that in general Yamaha is clearly two steps behind other manufacturers for this season so that Yamaha still needs to modify other things that can support their engine performance to compete in the competition this season.

The top speed is not decisive, but Yamaha is now far behind the other teams, and overtaking without top speed becomes even more difficult, you have to be even more aggressive on the brakes and take more risks.

It is indeed complicated to overtake in low power conditions so Yamaha itself still has a lot of work to do in this regard even though there is no time left to modify the engine, but other than that I think Yamaha can fix it in a very short time.