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[Ludmilla_rose1995]

According to

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/doppio-ritiro-red-bull-marko-ha-la-spiegazione-f1-verstappen-perez-609942.html

The problem for RedBull was something related to the "vacuum in the injection of the fuel" there should not be any damage on the engine or batteries.


(Big good news if it is true since they can only use 3 of them, each)

this news is valid and reportedly the red bull team has resolved this and this technical error will not be repeated in the saudi GP later. btw, in the Saudi GP training session, Leclerc was in the first position and Verstappen was in the second position, the competition between the two of them was very fierce.

[tokeweed]

Red Bull said that?  I think what they said was there was a lack in fuel pressure in both of their cars caused by some technical problem.  But both cars had the right amount of fuel in them.  A team running

No, the tech guy of Skyport.it said that he also said what was said from RBR is a BS to cover the human miscalculation, he looked at the telemetry and noticed the not normal fuel saving from RBR.


Free practice 2



Source: https://sport.sky.it/formula-1/2022/03/25/formula-1-gp-arabia-saudita-diretta-prove-libere-jeddah

So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story?  If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho.  It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Anyway another Verstappen - Leclerc finish.  But keep in mind that Verstappen ran the mediums for FP2, the hards for FP1 while Leclerc ran all softs.  From a betting perspective it could be good to take a little action Verstappen to get pole in qualifying.  What do you guys think?

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So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story?  If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho.  It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Yep but if he is right think about the following.
Redbull did all the race with less fuel.

10kg of fuel is calculated in almost 3/10 for a lap on that track.

Adding the missing fuel, Redbull could be 2/10 of a second slower for every lap of the race.

[emrecemsan]

In the first two free practices, two drivers at the top were the same. Leclerc led both of them and Verstappen was right behind him by a small gap. It looks like it is going to be a lot of fun to watch these two youngsters competing with each other in the whole season.    And I have heard that Leclerc found himself in the wall too thus I hope he won't have any problem on joining the qualifying session. This track is really tricky and hard. You can hit the wall so easily even if you lose your focus for a moment.

[tokeweed]

So does that mean the Alpha Tauri had a human miscalculation in their fuel volume too and had to do the same bs cover story?  If the Skysport.it tech guy is right then I think it's actually good news imho.  It means there's really nothing wrong with the cars or the engines.

Yep but if he is right think about the following.
Redbull did all the race with less fuel.

10kg of fuel is calculated in almost 3/10 for a lap on that track.

Adding the missing fuel, Redbull could be 2/10 of a second slower for every lap of the race.

^  That's why I was saying Red Bull should be penalized and fined.  But why is the FIA not doing an investigation about the whole thing?

And does that mean Red Bull should be slower than they currently are rn?  I mean if either Red Bull car finishes either first or second in qualifying and the race, does that mean they're cheating again?  Loading the car with less fuel than required as per the rules to make the car 'lighter' is cheating.

And can you post a link or an article where the Skysports.it tech guy said that Red Bull is cheating?  This should be taken more seriously imo.

[Davian144]

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In two races, especially Moto2, Celestino Vietti from the Mooney VR46 Racing team looks very consistent in reaching the podium so I am starting to believe that he will be a candidate for Moto2 world champion this season if he can continue to be consistent in the next few races.
Because before the Moto2 Race this season started there were some people who said that a Moto2 Rookie like Pedro Acosta would give more surprises this season and could even become a Moto2 World Champion candidate this season, but in the two races that have taken place I don't see there was a surprise that came from a Pedro Acosta.

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It would be a shame if Marc Marquez could not perform at the COTA Austin circuit in Texas, because at this circuit Marc is very strong, he has experienced six wins in a row from 2013 to 2018 and even last year 2021 when Marc's performance was still under his best performance because of the injury he was still able to win the Race at the COTA circuit.

The COTA circuit in Austin Texas is Marquez's favorite circuit and from the data that has been recorded in history it is very clear that the Honda manufacturer has always been more dominant there even in 2019 Marquez was also in front even though he ended up having a crash.
But in general he is able to leave his opponents with a very large gap if he races at the COTA Circuit in Austin Texas and this is something that cannot be denied.

[Cnut237]

I mean if either Red Bull car finishes either first or second in qualifying and the race, does that mean they're cheating again?  Loading the car with less fuel than required as per the rules to make the car 'lighter' is cheating.

I'm not convinced that they were running less fuel, that would clearly be cheating and they'd be likely to get found out. I don't think RB would do that.
I might be wrong of course, but I think this might just be comments taken out of context. RB said the issue was that there was no fuel, but they didn't mean the cars were empty, but rather that there was an issue with the fuel pumps that meant they couldn't get the fuel to the engine. At least that's what I think they're saying. But it's odd that it happened so suddenly, so it maybe there is a deeper problem with the car that they're trying to hide. But I'm not convinced they're cheating.

[swogerino]

I mean if either Red Bull car finishes either first or second in qualifying and the race, does that mean they're cheating again?  Loading the car with less fuel than required as per the rules to make the car 'lighter' is cheating.

I'm not convinced that they were running less fuel, that would clearly be cheating and they'd be likely to get found out. I don't think RB would do that.
I might be wrong of course, but I think this might just be comments taken out of context. RB said the issue was that there was no fuel, but they didn't mean the cars were empty, but rather that there was an issue with the fuel pumps that meant they couldn't get the fuel to the engine. At least that's what I think they're saying. But it's odd that it happened so suddenly, so it maybe there is a deeper problem with the car that they're trying to hide. But I'm not convinced they're cheating.

I also don't think they are cheating because I assume they should know very well what happens if they are caught at doing it,it can even result in a complete ban from the 2022 F1 season.I think they also had problems with the steering wheel as Verstappen was lamenting for it during all the race,I don't think the fuel pump has anything to do with the steering but I am no expert in F1 and maybe they had more than one problem,to clear all our doubts should be the race of tomorrow as qualifying is only just 1 or 2 flying laps so we can't see anything today about the problem.

[LTU_btc]

Today's training had an extraordinary event - bombing.
Huti are fighting with Saudi Arabia, and one of their rockets hit Aramco factory, 15-20km from the track.

https://twitter.com/WorldNewsIL/status/1507369303020118016
https://twitter.com/motorsportswiat/status/1507378143392374793

Another bombing took place during the 2nd session

https://twitter.com/cesarsaancheez_/status/1507422765275566081

Unofficial information are that F1 allowed teams to make the decision if they want to race in that conditions, but drivers are not allowed to talk about it.

It was confirmed today that qualifying and race will go as planned. It's something unbeleavable, considering that explosion was just 10 km from the track. How they guarantee safety of drivers, staff and spectators. First of all, F1 races shouldn't be held in such placesvatvall. But I guess, it's all about the money, as usual.

[Cnut237]

explosion was just 10 km from the track. How they guarantee safety of drivers, staff and spectators. First of all, F1 races shouldn't be held in such placesvatvall. But I guess, it's all about the money, as usual.

Yes, obviously they can't guarantee anyone's safety in these circumstances, not really. If they say they can, then I can't see that anyone would actually believe them.

And certainly it's all about the money, partly the money involved in holding a race there at all, and then also partly the money they'd lose if they cancelled it at the last minute.

[tokeweed]

Oof...  It's Leclerc - Verstappen - Perez at FP3 with the Red Bulls running the softs this time as did every other car on the track.  But it's close.  The gap is just .033 of a second.   Qualifying should be fun in a couple of hours.  

The Mercedes drivers are nowhere close to top 5 with Bottas finishing ahead of them at fifth place.  Lol.  Looks like it's RBR vs the Ferraris this season guys.  I could already see it happening.

2022 F1 Saudi Arabian GP FP3 Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m29.735s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m29.768s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m29.833s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.009s
5   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m30.030s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m30.139s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m30.148s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m30.262s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m30.296s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m30.415s
11   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m30.707s
12   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m30.765s
13   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m30.946s
14   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m30.983s
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m31.067s
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m31.186s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m31.374s
18   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m31.424s
19   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m31.529s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m31.922s

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Is Ferrari only 3/10 fast than Alfa Romeo?

and

RBR only 4/10 faster than Alpha Tauri?

They are hiding them self, the pole around 1.29.000 IMHO


I'm going for Ver 1 Lec 2 Per 3 Sain 4

[tokeweed]

^  Maybe...  But if they're all sand bagging then it's prolly closer than we think and the difference could just be by a hair line.  It could also end up with Leclerc on pole then Verstappen - Sainz - Perez.  I'm def not gonna be surprised.  But will I put my money on it?  Nope...  Will I bet on Verstappen at the race if it does end as I predicted in quali?  Nope.  It's just hard to trust Red Bull right now.  Gun to my head I'd rather bet on Leclerc.

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Already 1.28.8 and Hamilton is out from Q1. 16th 


Ferrari and RBR are in another level

[ingiltere]

Perez made a surprise in last lap and got pole position. Leclerc second and Sainz third, we will watch another Ferrari vs. RB competition tomorrow.
Hamilton was the disappointment of the day, he'll start 16th.
Latifi and Schumacher crashed. It's pretty dangerous track, almost everybody had some problem in same turn.
Mick's crash: https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1507775975156854784

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m29.705s   1m28.924s   1m28.200s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m29.039s   1m28.780s   1m28.225s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m28.855s   1m28.686s   1m28.402s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m28.928s   1m28.945s   1m28.461s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m30.093s   1m29.584s   1m29.068s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m29.680s   1m29.618s   1m29.104s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m29.978s   1m29.295s   1m29.147s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m29.683s   1m29.404s   1m29.183s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m29.891s   1m29.418s   1m29.254s
10   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m29.831s   1m29.546s   1m29.588s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m29.957s   1m29.651s   
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m30.009s   1m29.773s   
13   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m29.978s   1m29.819s   
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m30.167s   1m29.920s   
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m30.256s   1m31.009s   
16   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m30.343s       
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m30.492s       
18   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m30.543s       
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m31.817s       
20   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   No Time Set       


Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/999604/1/f1-2022-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-full-qualifying-results


Perez got the god LAP.
Side note, Tsunoda got another fuel problem, is it a red bell for RBR?

[KTChampions]

Perez made a surprise in last lap and got pole position. Leclerc second and Sainz third, we will watch another Ferrari vs. RB competition tomorrow.
Hamilton was the disappointment of the day, he'll start 16th.
Latifi and Schumacher crashed. It's pretty dangerous track, almost everybody had some problem in same turn.
Mick's crash: https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1507775975156854784

It looks like the whole season will be interesting with this fight. On the one hand, it's good that there is no dominance (at least for now) of one team, but I think everyone expected to see either the continuation of the overthrow of Hamilton or his return to the throne. But it turns out that this season he will be a simple extra.

[Ludmilla_rose1995]

A serious incident occurred during qualifying, to be precise in the Q2 session Red flag back out following the big accident Schumacher. The VF-22 he was driving hit the wall at high speed, causing serious damage to the vehicle.

- Luckily Schumacher didn't suffer anything serious in this incident!

- besides that, I also didn't expect Lewis Hamilton to get on the grid at number 16'

- btw, we will see a fierce rivalry between Perez and Leclerc.

[zidanw]

I have read that Schumacher did not sustain any serious injuries or injuries fortunately. That is the most important. In the starting position I notice that Verstappen starts in 4th place and Pereze in first place. They would have preferred it the other way around, but the point is that they were able to keep Ferrari in places 2 and 3. I think Leclerc will win again tomorrow.