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[FanEagle]

I think we need to see a whole new calendar for this to really work. I understand that more races means more money so I am willing to make it as long as it logistically can become, but we need to make sure that the breaks are not this long.

I get why China would cancel and all, but not replacing it with something else is a weird decision, they should have put another race there instead, and not like we lack any tracks, there are tracks all around the world, some that were used just recently and never again. I hope that we have a situation where it's at most one week we pass up, then maybe summer break, but aside from that we have races all the time.

When you have 24 races, even with 1 week breaks here and there, that shouldn't take you more than 30-32 weeks at most, but even with more breaks and summer one month break, it should be at the very most 40 weeks, that still gives 3 months break off-seasons as well. I feel like that's the best we could do. All of this multi week breaks makes no sense to me at all.

[Zackgeno96]

The battle for the world championship was already decided after 1 round. Then we already saw how stable the RB car was compared to the other cars. Of course you also need a good driver to win that victory. Could Perez also become world champion on his own, for example? What would happen if Verstappen drove for Mercedes and Hamilton for REd Bull, for example? I myself wonder how Verstappen would do in the Mercedes car. I would also like to see Verstappen and Hamilton together in a team again, but that is a uoption that will never happen I suspect.

[ILuckyGuyI]

It is really annoying to see that not much thing has changed when it comes to the probable champion. Verstappen is already far ahead of all his competitors on the grid now.

Red Bull are getting faster every season. They are going to upgrade the car even more during the season of course. This will just make them unbeatable in normal conditions. This is really unfair for spectators because it just doesn't let any proper championship race to be seen. Even Perez is having serious difficulties against his teammate despite having the same car. I would really love to see Leclerc becoming a world champion at least for once in his career. I hope Ferrari can give him this opportunity in the future.

[swogerino]

Leclerc needs to keep his head down after making a pathetic error already in the first lap in Australia as he is having difficulties with his temperament,results do not come by yelling on radio or complaining there but by keeping your head down and doing your maximum on your part and only after doing such performance then you can ask your team a lot of things but not before doing so.Based on this I think that Leclerc is not a driver who can be fighting for winning Championships and Ferrari would be better in changing their first driver to Sainz who did an awesome race in Australia.

Pathetic error?

Wasn't Stroll missing the breaking point and smashing on him avoiding the crash with his team mate Alonso?

Exactly,his rushing brought him out of the race and as such he should learn from the best,tell me one race where Michael Schumacher has tried to win so many positions in the first lap,yes very few because he knew that Championships are not won in the first lap of every race.I used to like Leclerc but I don't anymore exactly because of his rushing,his team mate made an excellent race which was turned in vain because of race directors and all those red flags but he drove like he should and Ferrari was much better than the first two races.All the drivers who have won Championships have something in common,and that something is patience which Leclerc seems to not have so far,I hope he clears his mind and shows us much better competitions next race.

[coinlocket$]

Exactly,his rushing brought him out of the race and as such he should learn from the best,tell me one race where Michael Schumacher has tried to win so many positions in the first lap,yes very few because he knew that Championships are not won in the first lap of every race.

I get your point but let me ask a question.
Can Leclecr win the title with this car?

Also more important can this RBR be beaten by anyone?

[LTU_btc]

Breaking news.

Massa could appeal to a court after Ecclestone said the past week " I know about the crash gate and I've covered it up".

Massa wants to cancel the Gp of Singapore, if he will do so he will the world Champion. and a title will be removed from Hamilton.

Massa didn't won championship not because of that Piquet crash, but because Ferrari f*cked up with pit stop. I think it's extremely unlikely that after 15 years Singapore GP results will be cancelled. And especially considering that people who is responsible for that accident - Briatore and Renault engineer got punished for it.
Who knows, maybe after 10-15 years Hamilton will appeal against 2021 Abu Dhabi GP results...

I think we need to see a whole new calendar for this to really work. I understand that more races means more money so I am willing to make it as long as it logistically can become, but we need to make sure that the breaks are not this long.

I get why China would cancel and all, but not replacing it with something else is a weird decision, they should have put another race there instead, and not like we lack any tracks, there are tracks all around the world, some that were used just recently and never again. I hope that we have a situation where it's at most one week we pass up, then maybe summer break, but aside from that we have races all the time.

When you have 24 races, even with 1 week breaks here and there, that shouldn't take you more than 30-32 weeks at most, but even with more breaks and summer one month break, it should be at the very most 40 weeks, that still gives 3 months break off-seasons as well. I feel like that's the best we could do. All of this multi week breaks makes no sense to me at all.

Yeah, it doesn't makes sense why they didn't looked for replacement for Chinese GP. It got cancelled in beginning of December, so, they had more than enough time. During pandemic season they had much less time to find replacement for some tracks. But maybe now none of tracks didn't come with offer that would be attractive enough for F1.
But still, it doesn't makes sense to have two 1 month breaks and 2 triple headers.

[swogerino]

Exactly,his rushing brought him out of the race and as such he should learn from the best,tell me one race where Michael Schumacher has tried to win so many positions in the first lap,yes very few because he knew that Championships are not won in the first lap of every race.

I get your point but let me ask a question.
Can Leclecr win the title with this car?

Also more important can this RBR be beaten by anyone?

I think Leclerc can win races with this car if Ferrari does a great job in upgrading as in my honest opinion they are not that far,they just need to study really carefully the data collected from the races and free practice and see what they are missing.I am sure Ferrari has enough smart engineers to upgrade the car up to the level to compete with Redbull,the early they can do this the better for all of us and even if some other team does it,it will still be great for us.

Redbull can be beaten but for this we need a team to be enthusiastic in every race and to keep upgrading their car with a strong belief of their own that they will eventually beat Redbull.

[Davian144]

After reading a little news about the WSBK rider, Toprak, who was used by Yamaha to do a private test at the Jerez circuit,

Yamaha has allowed the 2021 World Superbike (WSBK) world champion, Toprak Razgatlioglu, to take private tests at the Jerez Circuit, this coming Monday and Tuesday. This is the stage before he goes up to MotoGP. Source: id.motorsport.com

I'm also a little surprised by the news that Marc Marquez will not appear in this week's race in America because he still has to undergo his recovery period, even though the Cota America circuit located in Austin is a circuit that Marc Marquez really likes and he also often performs well there.

Marquez to miss #americasgp
Following a final CAT scan, Marc Marquez and his medical team, led by Dr. Ignacio Roger de Oña, have confirmed the first metacarpal is still in the healing process.
After close collaboration, it has been agreed that Marquez will miss the #AmericasGP to focus on his recovery.
Get well soon Marc. Source: hrc_motogp

[FanEagle]

To be fair, Ferrari is not as bad as people make them out to be, they just had terrible luck so far and of course that is bad but that doesn't mean that they will continue to be this bad. I do not see them winning any races unless something major happens, even Alonso has a better chance looking at the state of Aston Martin this year, but the reality is that Ferrari was just unlucky and will get a lot more points soon. They had crashes, they had reliability issues, they had engine issues, they had so many things that did not work that well for them so far.

As long as they get to start a race and finish a race without crashing out, I would guess that their drivers would be in top 5, and get a good amount of points.

[coinlocket$]

An interesting interview was done with Halimton.

He has spoken about different things but this one is the most relevant to me.

He basically said F1 lied about getting clean air while following close another car with this generation of cars, he said the air is not clean and the car behind suffers anyway.

[swogerino]

An interesting interview was done with Halimton.

He has spoken about different things but this one is the most relevant to me.

He basically said F1 lied about getting clean air while following close another car with this generation of cars, he said the air is not clean and the car behind suffers anyway.

That is a heavy accusation towards FIA if true but I have my doubts about it,Hamilton is the type of guy who always complain when things don't go his way and it is the third consecutive season that things are not going his way,maybe is time for him to retire as I doubt he still has the skills now to become again World Champion when he is getting older,he left 38 and is going to 39,I don't remember any driver winning a Championship in F1 in modern era at the age of 39.I know we have Alonso at an older age but still I doubt he can win Championships too,so clean air maybe is just his hunch and nothing more.

[retreat]

There is a really long time until the next race in Azerbaijan. I'm really disappointed to come across a long break like this so early in the season. It is like a summer break I mean. Anyway I hope that Ferrari make use of this free time as good as possible to make an improvement. Because they look really slow and problematic still. Mercedes and Aston Martin both impress us more.

It is really funny to see Ferrari having the same kind of communication and call issues this season as well. Especially Leclerc must be having difficulties in staying patient despite all this.

It's pretty funny to see Ferrari having that problem and not being able to solve it the way Red Bull did. Even compared to Aston Martin and Mercedes, Ferrari doesn't seem to have made any improvements to their engines if you look at their performance at the start of this season. Hopefully these problems can be solved by Ferrari, because I'm really looking forward to a good performance from this team.

[Davian144]

MotoGP wraps up its adventures in the Americas this weekend, before returning to Europe for an extended period. It feels special because the Grand Prix of the Americas will be celebrating its tenth anniversary. Source: id.motorsport.com
In my opinion, the Grand Prix of the Americas this time will be very fun and even very exciting because remember that one of the riders who often wins there (Marc Marquez) cannot come back because he still has to undergo recovery, and so will Enea Bastianini who will also be absent. at the Grand Prix of the Americas and replaced by @michelepiro51 so that it will make the Sprint Race and Race even more exciting because there will be several new names that make it possible to be the winner there.

[RealMalatesta]

An interesting interview was done with Halimton.

He has spoken about different things but this one is the most relevant to me.

He basically said F1 lied about getting clean air while following close another car with this generation of cars, he said the air is not clean and the car behind suffers anyway.

That is a heavy accusation towards FIA if true but I have my doubts about it,Hamilton is the type of guy who always complain when things don't go his way and it is the third consecutive season that things are not going his way,maybe is time for him to retire as I doubt he still has the skills now to become again World Champion when he is getting older,he left 38 and is going to 39,I don't remember any driver winning a Championship in F1 in modern era at the age of 39.I know we have Alonso at an older age but still I doubt he can win Championships too,so clean air maybe is just his hunch and nothing more.

I am sure there could be tests done about this, isn't it? I mean they just need to put two cars on a track and then check if it is better or worse, hell they can use some of the old cars as well and see the difference as well. I am not saying that it would be easy to do, sure it would cost millions to just test that out but FIA is rich and F1 is making so much money so they should be able to do this if you ask me.

I believe that there is a good chance that we could see this tested out, because Hamilton is a seven time champion and when he says something then it means it's a serious discussion. That doesn't mean that he is correct, he could be wrong and just moaning, which he always does, but it's better to give it a test.

[Davian144]

Now FP1 for the Grand Prix of the Americas is about to start and I will take the time to have a look because I want to see how the asphalt conditions are and see how some of the riders are progressing in setting the best times even though this is only for FP1. Because after that I will also see how the FP2 results will also take place today to determine who will have the potential to be in Q2 tomorrow

[coinlocket$]

Massa didn't won championship not because of that Piquet crash, but because Ferrari f*cked up with pit stop. I think it's extremely unlikely that after 15 years Singapore GP results will be cancelled. And especially considering that people who is responsible for that accident - Briatore and Renault engineer got punished for it.
Who knows, maybe after 10-15 years Hamilton will appeal against 2021 Abu Dhabi GP results...

Well both of them.
He also lost the title because of the rain in the last turn if you can remember.

But one thing is losing your only title for a mistake, even for a mistake from your team, and another one is losing for sabotage.

[alegotardo]

Massa didn't won championship not because of that Piquet crash, but because Ferrari f*cked up with pit stop. I think it's extremely unlikely that after 15 years Singapore GP results will be cancelled. And especially considering that people who is responsible for that accident - Briatore and Renault engineer got punished for it.
Who knows, maybe after 10-15 years Hamilton will appeal against 2021 Abu Dhabi GP results...

In fact, several factors spoiled Piquet's victory, but it cannot be said that the "trap" set up against Felipe Massa was just one more of those factors that prevented him from winning the championship.
Every team has problems and that's normal, but the cruelty of forging a victory is for the few, only for the most unscrupulous.

So far, only Piquet's testimonies are available, but I'm hoping that he still has some very concrete proof of what he claims, in order to show the world the "rotten rubbish" that certain people hide in F1.
But if that proof doesn't exist, in fact I agree with you, they won't reverse a decision after so many years.

[redsun114]

I am sure it's typical Hamilton crying and nothing more. If you have been watching F1 for a while, you will see that cars are getting a lot more overtake chances these past 2 years, and it is true that it was more common last year and less this year so it is getting a bit harder, but that is because teams are getting used to this new setup and nothing more.

People will feel a bit different about this because next year the difference could be even bigger and probably bigger after that up until the last year, which should be 2026 where new cars will be used. That will be very different, it is not purely electric, but it is getting there and those days of v10 will be gone, it will be mostly electric and more like formula-e instead.

[swogerino]

I am sure it's typical Hamilton crying and nothing more. If you have been watching F1 for a while, you will see that cars are getting a lot more overtake chances these past 2 years, and it is true that it was more common last year and less this year so it is getting a bit harder, but that is because teams are getting used to this new setup and nothing more.

People will feel a bit different about this because next year the difference could be even bigger and probably bigger after that up until the last year, which should be 2026 where new cars will be used. That will be very different, it is not purely electric, but it is getting there and those days of v10 will be gone, it will be mostly electric and more like formula-e instead.

When it will become electric it will be an advantage for teams who have expressed their desire to enter the sport at that year,I don't know if Hyundai has expressed such desire but KIA which is owned by them has done so and we all know that right now in Europe they are dominating the electric market completely with Hyundai being at the top.This means these manufacturers who have been investing in electric cars from many years now most probably will have an edge when it comes to Formula 1 becoming electric.I would love to see such scenario as this would put a lot of pressure on Mercedes and other teams to immediately close the gap and we could see some really nice races and fierce competition which is missing these last couple of years here.

[tokeweed]

An interesting interview was done with Halimton.

He has spoken about different things but this one is the most relevant to me.

He basically said F1 lied about getting clean air while following close another car with this generation of cars, he said the air is not clean and the car behind suffers anyway.

Did he really use the word 'lie'..?  Could be using the wrong word there as mostly these proposals for new specs, esp huge spec changes, are just good on paper.  It's up to the teams to implements the designs and if they're not 'up to spec' in practice then what could anybody really do.

And Hamilton just mad cos Mercedes couldn't figure stuff out with the new specs.  Typical whining from him.