Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[Davian144]

Actually the dominance of Ducati like this is not good for moto gp because it will make the race uncompetitive and boring, as happened in F1 where RBR dominated almost every race.

Now try to look back at least ten years where Honda also dominated MotoGP, and did anyone say something was wrong with the Honda factory at that time? I don't think so, friend, because that is the result of their own development to be competitive in the MotoGP race. Likewise with the current Ducati where Ducati has also made developments for more than ten years or to be precise after Casey Stoner left Ducati, so I think there is nothing wrong with the factory Ducati because the dominance they get is based on what they have developed so far for MotoGP.

but there's nothing we can do because it seems that Asian manufactures are tired enough to catch up with the dominance of European manufactures, compared to the previous year where teams like Yamaha or Suzuki still seem to be at the top and that makes racing more competitive and exciting.

Actually it is not the Asian manufacturers who have become tired of catching up with them in terms of bike development, but there are many independent teams who are currently preferring Ducati bikes over Asian bikes. So that the dominance of Ducati is seen through the number of motorbikes on the MotoGP grid at the moment apart from the factory Ducati itself which has become competitive because their engines are very super power. So the Japanese manufacturer is only left behind in terms of developing the motorbike so that its dominance is no longer visible and the next task for the Japanese manufacturer is to really take advantage of the time on motorbike development when the opportunity arises.

if Dorna doesn't do something about this, it seems that MotoGP will become an unattractive racing event and will lose its fans.

MotoGP fans have indeed disappeared and some of them are fans of Valentino Rossi himself because some MotoGP fans have become very fanatical about the living legend Valentino Rossi, so when Rossi retired from the MotoGP event, some of his fans also disappeared.

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[Distraction]

As far as I know Hamilton has stated before that he wants to race for five more years in Formula 1. But this still doesn't guarantee one thing that Hamilton will continue and end his career at Mercedes. He has also been linked with rumours like he might join Ferrari. They are just entering this news on some websites regularly.

On the other hand Hamilton refuted these rumours before by saying that he was in talks with Mercedes for a contract extension already.

In short things are really complicated now as there are rumours saying different things everywhere. 

5 more years?

Well, I guess in this sport you have a longer longevity, especially if you have a good car I guess you can still win at 45 years old.

Look at Alonso, he was very competitive this year when Aston Martin was decent.

Exactly.    Especially the most skilled drivers become more ambitious to race until quite old ages. Hamilton is aiming to be one of them as it seems. Alonso has become 42 years old newly but he is still very competitive for the title. Aston Martin's having a solid start helped him become even more focused on this season.

Now Aston Martin have lost a lot of pace though. But I think Alonso will always be the same until his retirement which would be a couple of years later I guess.

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RBR boss said they already ended the progress on this car.

They will now only work in the 2024, that means they will have some updated on this year car but they will com from the next car and they will not projected for the 2023 car

[retreat]

It's great to see Hamilton still pumped up to compete and chase his eighth title. Even though Max and RBR are dominating right now, it seems that Hamilton is still confident and still believes that there is a chance for him to get his eighth world title.
But from the news I heard that Ferrari is currently approaching him to be able to bring him to the Ferrari team and become Charles's teammate. Even Ferrari are ready to give £ 40m for Hamilton to join their team. But I think Hamilton seems to have rejected this offer because he still believes in what Mercedes is doing, maybe until he can get his eighth world title he will stay at Mercedes, or not(?)

@retreat I feel that Hamilton should move on from Mercedes because I sincerely doubt that he can win the record 8th title while racing with Mercedes and with Ferrari he’ll have a better chance. Also I’m surprised that he’s yet keen to race for few more year’s because he’s not performing that well and he could yet retire before constantly losing out to other driver’s and spoiling his reputation of being a serial winner.

Maybe Hamilton has his own thoughts and believes that Toto Wolff will be able to make Mercedes a competitive team and be able to fight against the domination of RBR. Moreover, Hamilton and Mercedes are very close and Hamilton is quite comfortable in the team. Even when Toto Wolff didn't bring major upgrades to Mercedes, Hamilton still remained loyal and still believed that he would be able to get his eighth world champion title with Mercedes, this proves how Hamilton is very confident in his team.

[swogerino]

It's great to see Hamilton still pumped up to compete and chase his eighth title. Even though Max and RBR are dominating right now, it seems that Hamilton is still confident and still believes that there is a chance for him to get his eighth world title.
But from the news I heard that Ferrari is currently approaching him to be able to bring him to the Ferrari team and become Charles's teammate. Even Ferrari are ready to give £ 40m for Hamilton to join their team. But I think Hamilton seems to have rejected this offer because he still believes in what Mercedes is doing, maybe until he can get his eighth world title he will stay at Mercedes, or not(?)

@retreat I feel that Hamilton should move on from Mercedes because I sincerely doubt that he can win the record 8th title while racing with Mercedes and with Ferrari he’ll have a better chance. Also I’m surprised that he’s yet keen to race for few more year’s because he’s not performing that well and he could yet retire before constantly losing out to other driver’s and spoiling his reputation of being a serial winner.

Maybe Hamilton has his own thoughts and believes that Toto Wolff will be able to make Mercedes a competitive team and be able to fight against the domination of RBR. Moreover, Hamilton and Mercedes are very close and Hamilton is quite comfortable in the team. Even when Toto Wolff didn't bring major upgrades to Mercedes, Hamilton still remained loyal and still believed that he would be able to get his eighth world champion title with Mercedes, this proves how Hamilton is very confident in his team.

Confidence alone without much performance upgrade won't bring him anywhere though.So I think he should start thinking seriously of finding a team well capable of delivering in the next 2-3 years or otherwise he may as well forget that 8th title which if he happen to not win it,it will make F1 even more intriguing having two drivers with 7 title each as the best.

Can Verstappen make a good advantage of Redbull hegemony and win every Championship now that he is still very young of age so he can may be the first driver with 8 titles,surely his talent is well enough to bring him these titles,let's see how it unfolds.

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While LeClerc is very close to renewing his contract the team manager did a roadmap.

In his plan, he tracked a like to be able to earn 1 second over this year's car for the next year.

While 1 second it is a lot, it will be not enough to compete with RBR

[SquallLeonhart]

I feel that Hamilton should move on from Mercedes because I sincerely doubt that he can win the record 8th title while racing with Mercedes and with Ferrari he’ll have a better chance. Also I’m surprised that he’s yet keen to race for few more year’s because he’s not performing that well and he could yet retire before constantly losing out to other driver’s and spoiling his reputation of being a serial winner.

Basically this is not football which means you can't just get the best drivers and hope for the best . Hamilton is at Mercedes and the best team right now is Red Bull, unless Hamilton finds himself a situation where he leaves for Red Bull to get Perez out, then there is no way that he could go to a team that will be better than Mercedes.

Sure, Aston martin looked good for a minute, and McLaren seems decent for now, Ferrari is always troubled but at the end of the day Mercedes where Hamilton became who he is today thanks to their dominating car, and now that they lost that domination, if he leaves for Red Bull which we should be honest know that it is not going to happen, then he would not be considered a good driver at all and a coward instead.

[karabiber]

I think that a radical rule change that will affect everyone in the middle of the season is absolutely wrong. As I mentioned before, DRS is the sick part of this sport. Would removing the use of DRS in qualifying increase competition? It definitely increases. We saw this in the rainy qualifying rounds. Results are much closer with DRS off in Q1 and Q2, while RB flaps with DRS on in Q3.

The important thing is the struggle not the transition. This should be the purpose of viewing pleasure. Sergio Perez is by far the most overrated player this season. Last time i checked, Perez had passed, like a half times his closest competitor. Is this now Perez's success? Perez is the most unsuccessful driver of this season on the contrary. Perez has this statistic as he drove one by one through the DRS zone during the race on Sunday after terrible qualifying laps. I would rather watch the "trulli train" a thousand times over the pilot who hit the DRS button and won ten places.

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RBR boss said they already ended the progress on this car.

They will now only work in the 2024, that means they will have some updated on this year car but they will com from the next car and they will not projected for the 2023 car

True and now they do have A LOT of time to focus in the 2024 and I don't see them failing in any aspect of the car.

The 2023 car is already a championship one and Max will make sure he will win both championships as early as he can because this is his style, to win as early as possible. 

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True and now they do have A LOT of time to focus in the 2024 and I don't see them failing in any aspect of the car.

The 2023 car is already a championship one and Max will make sure he will win both championships as early as he can because this is his style, to win as early as possible. 

RBR should be again under investigation for violating the salary cap a new penalty may take a part on next car.

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RBR boss said they already ended the progress on this car.

They will now only work in the 2024, that means they will have some updated on this year car but they will com from the next car and they will not projected for the 2023 car

True and now they do have A LOT of time to focus in the 2024 and I don't see them failing in any aspect of the car.

The 2023 car is already a championship one and Max will make sure he will win both championships as early as he can because this is his style, to win as early as possible. 

Seeing how the car they have this season, it's very interesting to be able to see how the RBR car will be in 2024. Surely they will bring a lot of things from this season and improve them to be able to bring up new "monster cars" which might dominate the race again in the coming seasons.

[Blitzboy]

Hamilton is intending to race for a few more years at least. He is still ambitious about getting his 8th world title before his retirement. But there is a big question at this point: Can Mercedes give what he wants?
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It's great to see Hamilton still pumped up to compete and chase his eighth title. Even though Max and RBR are dominating right now, it seems that Hamilton is still confident and still believes that there is a chance for him to get his eighth world title.
But from the news I heard that Ferrari is currently approaching him to be able to bring him to the Ferrari team and become Charles's teammate. Even Ferrari are ready to give £ 40m for Hamilton to join their team. But I think Hamilton seems to have rejected this offer because he still believes in what Mercedes is doing, maybe until he can get his eighth world title he will stay at Mercedes, or not(?)

@retreat I feel that Hamilton should move on from Mercedes because I sincerely doubt that he can win the record 8th title while racing with Mercedes and with Ferrari he’ll have a better chance. Also I’m surprised that he’s yet keen to race for few more year’s because he’s not performing that well and he could yet retire before constantly losing out to other driver’s and spoiling his reputation of being a serial winner.

It is strange that Hamilton stays with Mercedes. He has been very loyal, especially when Toto Wolff has made questionable choices, like not changing the car very much. Could it be that Hamilton's weakness is his trust in Mercedes? That, against all odds, he thinks he can win his eighth title there? He has won a lot of races with Mercedes, but why would he move to Red Bull? Completely crazy! But he could also surprise everyone. After all, logic isn't what makes games what they are

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Binoto ex-team manager of Ferrari will probably go to Alpine.

Also Alpine asked to others team to "cheat" asking to others team to use more fuel on their engine since it is slower than the others 

[Koal-84]

After the long summer break, MotoGP is back on track in Austria, with the current weather forecast predicting very nice and hot weather, the Red Bull Ring is traditionally a Ducati track and I think Ducati will dominate there again. KTM will have a hard time keeping up, there should be no weather surprises this weekend.

By the way, KTM (Pit Beirer) has already confirmed that Marc Marquez will not be joining KTM in 2024.

KTM-Absage von Pit Beirer: "Marquez ist 2024 nicht in unserem Line-up"

[Davian144]

After the long summer break, MotoGP is back on track in Austria, with the current weather forecast predicting very nice and hot weather, the Red Bull Ring is traditionally a Ducati track and I think Ducati will dominate there again. KTM will have a hard time keeping up, there should be no weather surprises this weekend.

Austria's Spielberg Red Bull Ring Circuit is located in a very friendly and comfortable environment so the atmosphere will probably be very good this weekend. Speaking of the Red Bull Ring in Austria, it's actually KTM's home race and KTM itself won there in 2020 via its satellite team and in 2021 via Brad Binder who was on the factory team at the time. Although overall the Ducati is still the dominating bike there, but since the small corner changes on the long straight, it looks like the competition will be even tougher this weekend as traction and braking will be used more during the race.

By the way, KTM (Pit Beirer) has already confirmed that Marc Marquez will not be joining KTM in 2024.

KTM still respects its current riders and will not make any mistakes with the existing contracts so that KTM had tried to ask Dorna for another slot to create a new team so that it could accommodate Pedro Acosta and Marc Marquez. But this was not approved by Dorna so that KTM did not intend to help other teams such as Yamaha and Honda even though Marc Marquez himself had also started praising KTM recently.

[uswa56]

After the long summer break, MotoGP is back on track in Austria, with the current weather forecast predicting very nice and hot weather, the Red Bull Ring is traditionally a Ducati track and I think Ducati will dominate there again. KTM will have a hard time keeping up, there should be no weather surprises this weekend.

Austria's Spielberg Red Bull Ring Circuit is located in a very friendly and comfortable environment so the atmosphere will probably be very good this weekend. Speaking of the Red Bull Ring in Austria, it's actually KTM's home race and KTM itself won there in 2020 via its satellite team and in 2021 via Brad Binder who was on the factory team at the time. Although overall the Ducati is still the dominating bike there, but since the small corner changes on the long straight, it looks like the competition will be even tougher this weekend as traction and braking will be used more during the race.

I also hope there are no weather surprises at this weekend's Race.
The Austrian Red Bull Ring always presents fierce races so we really cannot predict it with certainty, Ducati has always been the favorite this season, they are very strong but I agree with you that KTM should be reckoned with in its own home and also KTM this season is slowly getting better better than last season.
There is likely to be tough competition between Ducati, KTM and even Aprillia for the title at the Austrian Red Bull Ring Race this weekend.

[Davian144]

I also hope there are no weather surprises at this weekend's Race.
The Austrian Red Bull Ring always presents fierce races so we really cannot predict it with certainty, Ducati has always been the favorite this season, they are very strong but I agree with you that KTM should be reckoned with in its own home and also KTM this season is slowly getting better better than last season.
There is likely to be tough competition between Ducati, KTM and even Aprillia for the title at the Austrian Red Bull Ring Race this weekend.

In general, manufacturers from Europe will still dominate in this weekend's race, but KTM will probably put up quite an extra fight to stop Ducati's domination at the Red Bull Ring. Even though the potential might not be that big because Ducati has a lot of very competitive bikes so other manufacturers will always have a hard time passing them one by one, but I also think that Aprilia could make a surprise at the Red Bull Ring as it has done in the previous races.

[FanEagle]

F1 will continue very soon hopefully and by the looks of it there aren't all that many imporvements reported so far. The latest one that Mclaren ended up being a bit better than how they started the season, in fact they have their best car in the past 2 seasons and that seems like the only improvement so far.

Red Bull came with a car that was a little faster than their usual self, which I was a bit shocked considering I thought they were focusing on next seasons car already and even a bit 2026 I am sure, but the fact that they improved on already the best car means that they will keep the title. This isn't good news, it's always fun to see new teams get better, and the fact that there aren't that many improvements reported means it's going to be a bit boring.

[Koal-84]

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Brad Binder's victory on slick tyres was also a great ride, which can't be classified as a normal race win. It was pure risk, and the commentary didn't mean "Big Balls Binder" for nothing.

As far as I know, Dorna has also refused to free up the one place for a new manufacturer, and I assume that the salary for KTM would be too high for Marc Marquez (unless RedBull would take over).

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Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.

After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.