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[swogerino]

I don't think at this point Verstappen stand a chance to win the race,in the first stint he showed basically nothing except passing the two slow Ferraris but when it came to Mercedes or McLaren we saw that Redbull did not have anything more than them,like a gear more we are used to see.

I was about to bet on Verstappen before the race but the odds before the race got from 1.23 to 1.57 and just one hour before the race 1.31 so I thought not worthy to bet on him,most likely the bookies as always tried to play their games on us,yet this time I was careful and did not fell for it.

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I don't think at this point Verstappen stand a chance to win the race,in the first stint he showed basically nothing except passing the two slow Ferraris but when it came to Mercedes or McLaren we saw that Redbull did not have anything more than them,like a gear more we are used to see.

I was about to bet on Verstappen before the race but the odds before the race got from 1.23 to 1.57 and just one hour before the race 1.31 so I thought not worthy to bet on him,most likely the bookies as always tried to play their games on us,yet this time I was careful and did not fell for it.

In the first sequence, with everyone on the middle tyre, verstappen couldn't overtake his main rivals, he couldn't make up the difference, and despite this, mercedes and mclaren made the ridiculous decision to go for the hard one and finish with a single pit. Hamilton was 5 seconds off the pace when he extended the first sequence, similarly norris was unnecessarily behind when he extended the second sequence. Verstappen and redbull got a free win in a week when they would have struggled.

[swogerino]

I don't think at this point Verstappen stand a chance to win the race,in the first stint he showed basically nothing except passing the two slow Ferraris but when it came to Mercedes or McLaren we saw that Redbull did not have anything more than them,like a gear more we are used to see.

I was about to bet on Verstappen before the race but the odds before the race got from 1.23 to 1.57 and just one hour before the race 1.31 so I thought not worthy to bet on him,most likely the bookies as always tried to play their games on us,yet this time I was careful and did not fell for it.

In the first sequence, with everyone on the middle tyre, verstappen couldn't overtake his main rivals, he couldn't make up the difference, and despite this, mercedes and mclaren made the ridiculous decision to go for the hard one and finish with a single pit. Hamilton was 5 seconds off the pace when he extended the first sequence, similarly norris was unnecessarily behind when he extended the second sequence. Verstappen and redbull got a free win in a week when they would have struggled.

Not only them but also the Ferraris lost the most out of this race as they started with Leclerc in pole position and as funny as it is it looks like he switched place with Verstappen as Verstappen got 1st from starting 6th making another rule get off the board in this track as before only guys starting from the front row have won before while Leclerc ended in 6th position after a bad decision to go with a single stop meanwhile they at Ferrari saw what happened to Hamilton and Norris who were posed to have the same strategy  and then changed because it was not sustainable.

[boltz]

I really had hopes for Norris to take his first F1 victory today but once again RedBull and Max are really unstoppable as long as they have a correct race strategy.

Is Ferrari hating Leclerc or something ? because they love to compromise his races lately in order to give Sainz and advantage during the race but Leclerc is doing great in his car and deserves more from his team.

Aston Martin almost made a double top 10 from after starting from pits but Alonso had some bad luck after he drove superbly and had to retire his car but with Piastri on McLaren going out as well , the race for 3rd spot in Contructors championship is still wide open. 

[Captain Corporate]

To be fair Hamilton could have won the race if the moves were switched, Mercedes didn't had a great plan for him, the one stop didn't work and if you go with two stops in mind and do that then you are going to be fine, but if you go with one stop in mind but then turn into two stop that always makes you lose points, you do not end up getting the maximum you could. This is why they lost, if they did good timing on both and did it at the right time, they could have definitely considered a situation that would be more efficient for him to race. This isn't really a trouble, but it is definitely not a bad thing neither. I personally believe it could be a good result without a doubt.

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To be fair Hamilton could have won the race if the moves were switched, Mercedes didn't had a great plan for him, the one stop didn't work and if you go with two stops in mind and do that then you are going to be fine, but if you go with one stop in mind but then turn into two stop that always makes you lose points, you do not end up getting the maximum you could. This is why they lost, if they did good timing on both and did it at the right time, they could have definitely considered a situation that would be more efficient for him to race. This isn't really a trouble, but it is definitely not a bad thing neither. I personally believe it could be a good result without a doubt.

Well from potentially winning to the actual win there is a lot of space in between.

For sure he could have a big opportunity but never underestimate Max and RBR.

[Velvet78]

Hamilton really had a chance to win there. Verstappen's braking issues could have cost him really much. He must be thankful that there weren't more laps left. Even 1-2 laps would have been enough for Hamilton to overtake him. Hamilton really pushed hard and used up most of his tyres. But it was definitely worth it.

I really liked Mercedes' strategy for Hamilton. I expected a similar move from Ferrari for Leclerc but they didn't call him to pit once again. He just tried to finish the race with those used up tyres which wasn't a great idea. If he pitted in lap 40 at worst then he could have also pushed with mediums or maybe even softs.

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Well, my prediction was correct, Ferrari couldn't maintain their position and ended up finishing in P4 and P6. Yeah, this is nothing new for us, it's common for Ferrari to make blunders in their strategy, in fact I think it's even very natural for Ferrari to do that.

And what was interesting for me was that Yuki managed to achieve the fastest lap on the last lap. This was quite an achievement considering that the car he was using was quite slow compared to the others but he managed to achieve the fastest.

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So Leclerc and Hamilton got disqualified for consuming the bottom of their cars.

Was I long time I haven't seen this thing happening.

[swogerino]

So Leclerc and Hamilton got disqualified for consuming the bottom of their cars.

Was I long time I haven't seen this thing happening.

What?What does that mean as it is not drivers fault that they consumed the bottom of their cars,it was a difficult track and they pushed hard,at least Hamilton did as he ended second so now the change of places will be really interesting as everything changed.

I had never seen this from 1996 the year in which I started watching F1 races and saw those great battles between Schumacher and Villeneuve at that time then him against Hakkinen and I believe the rest we all know about it.

It was a personal pleasure for Tsunoda to hit the fastest lap in the last lap after putting the soft tires and to add another point to the one that he got from the 10th place.

[Koal-84]

Btw Bagnaia today won and now he was the lead of 27 points.

This is huge since he went over the 25 points, in short terms he has now 1 gp of advantage over Martin.

Exactly, Bagnai has the advantage again, but I think he won't risk too much now, especially if Martin is behind him, better a safe second place than too much risk and a crash, a crash of Martin or Bagnaia is currently decisive for the world championship, I think the pressure is now more on Martin than on Bagnaia, Bagnaia will be world champion with a lead of between 10 and 15 points, I think.

[swogerino]

Btw Bagnaia today won and now he was the lead of 27 points.

This is huge since he went over the 25 points, in short terms he has now 1 gp of advantage over Martin.

Exactly, Bagnai has the advantage again, but I think he won't risk too much now, especially if Martin is behind him, better a safe second place than too much risk and a crash, a crash of Martin or Bagnaia is currently decisive for the world championship, I think the pressure is now more on Martin than on Bagnaia, Bagnaia will be world champion with a lead of between 10 and 15 points, I think.

He just needs to be conservative enough in the races remaining and I am pretty sure when you have over a race advantage over you direct opponent you can manage it quite well.I think Bagnaia has more experience as he won the title last year if I am not mistaken and this greatly improves your psychological feeling against all other opponents,you have some sort of great and better self esteem than anyone else in this season as you are the reigning Champion and the one who has to risk it all if he wants to get something out of this season is definitely Martin,in this context he has nothing to lose so he will most probably try everything out in the remaining races.

[Davian144]

Exactly, Bagnai has the advantage again, but I think he won't risk too much now, especially if Martin is behind him, better a safe second place than too much risk and a crash, a crash of Martin or Bagnaia is currently decisive for the world championship, I think the pressure is now more on Martin than on Bagnaia, Bagnaia will be world champion with a lead of between 10 and 15 points, I think.

With the cancellation of the Sprint Race on Sunday at Phillip Island, Australia, it is certainly very detrimental for Jorge Martin and very profitable for Bagnaia, even though Jorge Martin still has the opportunity to chase points again this week in Thailand. Because in four main races and four sprints, of course there is still enough time for Jorge Martin to reduce the points gap with Bagnaia, even though Jorge Martin is starting to feel pressured by this because of the current points distance.

He just needs to be conservative enough in the races remaining and I am pretty sure when you have over a race advantage over you direct opponent you can manage it quite well.I think Bagnaia has more experience as he won the title last year if I am not mistaken and this greatly improves your psychological feeling against all other opponents,you have some sort of great and better self esteem than anyone else in this season as you are the reigning Champion and the one who has to risk it all if he wants to get something out of this season is definitely Martin,in this context he has nothing to lose so he will most probably try everything out in the remaining races.

In general, Bagnaia only needs two more wins in the Sprint Race and the rest is for the second podium so that Bagnaia can secure the world championship this season because Jorge Martin will appear persistent in every remaining series this season. However, I also need to see whether Bagnaia is really able to defend his championship title again this season because as far as I know from several riders who wear number 1 after being world champions, they always find it difficult to defend their championship in the following season with the same manufacturer. So maybe this will be new history if Bagnaia is able to win again this season with a European manufacturer which rarely wins consecutive world championships.

[LTU_btc]

So Leclerc and Hamilton got disqualified for consuming the bottom of their cars.

Was I long time I haven't seen this thing happening.

It's a bit ridiculous, especially considering that it was announced few hours after race when all podium celebrations was over long time ago. As I understand, they checked only 4 cars - both Mercedes and Ferrari, not all 20, so, it's a bit unfair, but in general, rulesare rules.
So, after this penalty now Hamilton have almost no chance to reach Perez in driver standings. Tsunoda got 5 points in total with fastest lap, it's more than he got during whole season. And Sargeant got first career point, but I doubt it will help him to save seat in F1

[emrecemsan]

I was also not expecting such result after the tests. But there is nothing to do about it I'm afraid. Especially Hamilton and Mercedes of course must be really unhappy with the official results. Because Hamilton made a huge effort and I believe that he even deserved to win this Grand Prix. A couple of more laps was the only thing he needed to overtake Verstappen. Because Verstappen had to race with a braking issue for the whole race you know. Even he admitted that he could have lost.

After this race Ferrari have caught up with Mercedes a few more points. Now the gap is 22 points. I don't think it is impossible to close in 4 races. However Ferrari's racing tempo isn't credible at all. 

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It's a bit ridiculous, especially considering that it was announced few hours after race when all podium celebrations was over long time ago. As I understand, they checked only 4 cars - both Mercedes and Ferrari, not all 20, so, it's a bit unfair, but in general, rulesare rules.
So, after this penalty now Hamilton have almost no chance to reach Perez in driver standings. Tsunoda got 5 points in total with fastest lap, it's more than he got during whole season. And Sargeant got first career point, but I doubt it will help him to save seat in F1

Not only that but the violation If I read correctly was 0.2mm or 0.008 inch as you prefer.

[moneystery]

In general, Bagnaia only needs two more wins in the Sprint Race and the rest is for the second podium so that Bagnaia can secure the world championship this season because Jorge Martin will appear persistent in every remaining series this season. However, I also need to see whether Bagnaia is really able to defend his championship title again this season because as far as I know from several riders who wear number 1 after being world champions, they always find it difficult to defend their championship in the following season with the same manufacturer. So maybe this will be new history if Bagnaia is able to win again this season with a European manufacturer which rarely wins consecutive world championships.

if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

[Koal-84]

If Bagnaia doesn't crash this weekend it doesn't matter for him in terms of the championship, the important thing is Bagnaia scores points, and it doesn't matter what Martin does, for Bagnaia the most important thing this weekend is points, it would also increase the pressure on Martin, to make up points he has to be in front of Bagnaia and best of all win.

[Davian144]

if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

Jorge Martin will continue to adapt whatever he uses to what riders from the Ducati factory use in order to continue to compete with the defending champion, Bagnaia. Because Jorge Martin still hasn't given up on continuing to hunt for the 2023 MotoGP world title this season, but based on the distance of points that Bagnaia has so far, Bagnaia only needs to win one of the main races and one of the sprint races. The rest, Bagnaia just has to keep trying to reach the second podium in order to secure his championship this season, so the pressure is now on Jorge Martin.

[swogerino]

if martin can reach the podium in buriram, it might be difficult for bagnaia to achieve his world title. even though many people tend to favor bagnaia, we cannot rule out the factors that could make martin take first place from bagnaia. martin also no longer wanted to "gamble" and changed his strategy to play safer than before. the problem with his tires might be that they are adjusted to his opponent's tires and that might be quite difficult for bagnaia. well, we can see how the battle between these two will be very exciting to watch.

Jorge Martin will continue to adapt whatever he uses to what riders from the Ducati factory use in order to continue to compete with the defending champion, Bagnaia. Because Jorge Martin still hasn't given up on continuing to hunt for the 2023 MotoGP world title this season, but based on the distance of points that Bagnaia has so far, Bagnaia only needs to win one of the main races and one of the sprint races. The rest, Bagnaia just has to keep trying to reach the second podium in order to secure his championship this season, so the pressure is now on Jorge Martin.

This puts all the pressure to Jorge Martin who has got nothing to lose if he tries as hard as possible but chances are not at all on his side.Nevertheless the racing and MotoGP is a sport where you cannot predict anything,any crash from Bagnaia and a win from Martin in this upcoming race for example it change the situation dramatically making both drivers near on equal points and thus giving each of them a chance to win the title,this in theory.

In practice I doubt Bagnaia will push that hard as he knows one crash can risk this second title which would be a huge achievement for him personally so I don't think he will push it that hard,he will be happy with second places.