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May 10, 2016, 04:08:00 PM |
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why is it that only non-investors are complaining?
if this was a scam, surely people who invested would be complaining?
why is only people who did not invest a cent making such scam claims of theives, scam and fraud?
where are all the people who lost their bitcoins - where are their complaint? i cannot find a single one.
in my opinion from what i can see no one has been scammed nor does anyone think they have been scammed.
only these same accounts crying scam, fraud - none of which who invested a single cent.
This has to be one of the highest densities of logical fallacies per square pixel, not to mention sounding like Garza in his heyday. What does ANY of that have to do with ionomy being trustworthy? ION is trustworthy cause he feels they are honest. I've asked him 3 times what caused him to come to that conclusion only to be greeted with this exact response or some form of it. I have yet to hear a valid response to why this team should be trusted. The best I have heard so far has been because the are "nice". i have answered this many times about my opinon of trustness. unless you are a team member, how can you (or anyone) know 100 per cent? i have no reason to trust or untrust ion team, but i lean on the trust side because of there performance in the last year. they have not run off with anyones bitcoins for a year and all those people who have invested in this team over this year all seem to be happy, not claiming fraud or asking for their bitcoins back. so there are more reasons to trust than there are reasons to not trust. Why would they need to run off if there are people still giving them money voluntarily? (actual money, as in "Bitcoin") It would be meaningless to steal XPY or ION deposits, they're worthless if the main devs/supporters run off. You're so focused on the blatant "run off with the coins" fraud aspect of it that you're forgetting XPY lost 95%+ of its value while the "team" was trying to rescue it. How's that for performance?
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May 10, 2016, 04:14:16 PM |
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Someone please post this to slack: https://archive.is/KC38BIt's a guide on how to deal with those unruly non-customers who ask inconvenient questions. Written by one of the luminaries of crypto industry. Here is one quote they can definitely make use of: Luckily, we live in a country where you do not automatically become guilty of something because you have chosen to not respond.
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May 10, 2016, 04:16:33 PM |
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why is it that only non-investors are complaining?
if this was a scam, surely people who invested would be complaining?
why is only people who did not invest a cent making such scam claims of theives, scam and fraud?
where are all the people who lost their bitcoins - where are their complaint? i cannot find a single one.
in my opinion from what i can see no one has been scammed nor does anyone think they have been scammed.
only these same accounts crying scam, fraud - none of which who invested a single cent.
Nope, same thing happened on Hashtalk. Greedy, desperate, and complacent people aren't going to complain for a chance to make free money. Because we've seen it before and already dealt with Garza and Carmello (BTClend). They're waiting for JG to be prosecuted. There's a gawsuit compiled from the people scammed by JG waiting in parallel. Same revert. We've seen it, lived it, and don't want to play again. BCT isn't the only place that thinks this either - https://forum.gethashing.com/t/ionomy-and-ion/6278
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May 10, 2016, 04:17:03 PM |
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why is it that only non-investors are complaining?
if this was a scam, surely people who invested would be complaining?
why is only people who did not invest a cent making such scam claims of theives, scam and fraud?
where are all the people who lost their bitcoins - where are their complaint? i cannot find a single one.
in my opinion from what i can see no one has been scammed nor does anyone think they have been scammed.
only these same accounts crying scam, fraud - none of which who invested a single cent.
This has to be one of the highest densities of logical fallacies per square pixel, not to mention sounding like Garza in his heyday. What does ANY of that have to do with ionomy being trustworthy? ION is trustworthy cause he feels they are honest. I've asked him 3 times what caused him to come to that conclusion only to be greeted with this exact response or some form of it. I have yet to hear a valid response to why this team should be trusted. The best I have heard so far has been because the are "nice". i have answered this many times about my opinon of trustness. unless you are a team member, how can you (or anyone) know 100 per cent? i have no reason to trust or untrust ion team, but i lean on the trust side because of there performance in the last year. they have not run off with anyones bitcoins for a year and all those people who have invested in this team over this year all seem to be happy, not claiming fraud or asking for their bitcoins back. so there are more reasons to trust than there are reasons to not trust. Why would they need to run off if there are people still giving them money voluntarily? (actual money, as in "Bitcoin") It would be meaningless to steal XPY or ION deposits, they're worthless if the main devs/supporters run off. You're so focused on the blatant "run off with the coins" fraud aspect of it that you're forgetting XPY lost 95%+ of its value while the "team" was trying to rescue it. How's that for performance? this is the interesting part. they did not create xpy so that do not have responsibility and control for its development. they did try to do something but with crap xpy it was a doomed idea and probably they leaned a lot of experience from this. they are the creators of ion project and will be fully responsible for parts of its development. do i think ion is created to scam people ? no i do not. do i trust the ion team ? not much more than any other altcoin launch. do i think ion plan will be huge success ? unlikely, not many altcoins succeed do i think they will try their best ? based on there past performance i do think so is it possible to make money with ion? yes. trading, pump or other means could happen is it risky ? of course it is what else can be said is just made up or fantasized according to your agenda.
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May 10, 2016, 04:17:35 PM |
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Man, I sure can feel the excitement bullshit in the air. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F513f8a41c55c4db05711dbb1bf509c56.png&t=665&c=urA8GVB17BHylA)
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May 10, 2016, 04:18:24 PM |
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why is it that only non-investors are complaining?
if this was a scam, surely people who invested would be complaining?
why is only people who did not invest a cent making such scam claims of theives, scam and fraud?
where are all the people who lost their bitcoins - where are their complaint? i cannot find a single one.
in my opinion from what i can see no one has been scammed nor does anyone think they have been scammed.
only these same accounts crying scam, fraud - none of which who invested a single cent.
Nope, same thing happened on Hashtalk. Greedy, desperate, and complacent people aren't going to complain for a chance to make free money. Because we've seen it before and already dealt with Garza and Carmello (BTClend). They're waiting for JG to be prosecuted. There's a gawsuit compiled from the people scammed by JG waiting in parallel. Same revert. We've seen it, lived it, and don't want to play again. BCT isn't the only place that thinks this either - https://forum.gethashing.com/t/ionomy-and-ion/6278because there was a scam does not mean everything is a scam.
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May 10, 2016, 04:21:06 PM |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
I'd rephrase that opinion to it looks like in your opinion this project looks like an effort. There is no honest. Honest implies transparency and answering of questions they have neither. When they answer questions such as the ones i posted and address the stats i put about potential masternodes then i'll give them more time of day. There is nothing honest about premining coins making masternodes and trickle selling on the exchanges. You just invented free currency which you don't want that you convert to btc and usd to fill your pockets. You can sugar coat it with lies about increasing the platform but this fact stands. Inventing free money and premining makes you exactly like the banking system... inventing free fiat when you feel like it. nothing dishonest about this project has been discovered or reported. some have branded it a scam and seem to have an active interest in making the label stick, but with no evidence to support. saying something is a scam, does not make it a scam. to me this looks like an honest effort at a new altcoin launch. the plan is interesting. as to whether it will succeed is another matter. Would you please explain why it looks like an honest effort? The reason nothing dishonest has been discovered or reported is because they REFUSE to answer questions or provide transparency. I have asked half a dozen times where the extra staking power comes from for "electrifying" stakers only to be ignore all 6 times. How all of a sudden do you magically get extra staking power without already having that staking in existence? My conclusion is by putting the pre mine into Masternodes. How is that honest? Same shit as XPY, almost to a T. Did you consider XPY to be an honest operation. Are we now just supposed to trust people in crypto because they say "just trust us"?. Are we not entitled to ha e questions answered? Especially with the track record of previous operations associated with the team? When they are asking for $500,000 to $1,000,000 of free money? I really want to know what bring you to the conclusion that this is an honest operation. I want to see some facts. Them being "nice" does not qualify. Do you also feel that a huge pre-mine with zero transparency is the "honest" way to launch a coin? XPY launched the exact same way... after reading through a lot of crap, i found that this team did not launch XPY or paycoin even though you and others keep saying they did. you should not trust this altcoin any more than you trust any other altcoin launch. but i see no reason to trust it any less either. I never stated they started XPY or Paycoin, I stated they were involved in it which is 100% fact. Say there was this bank with a horrible track record of misusing customer funds and they closed that bank and started a whole new bank. Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and give them your money? Again, please state why you think it is an honest operation. Fee free to answer any of the other questions I posed to you as well. involved can mean two things. as an investor or as a theif? are you suggesting the ion team were theives or investors? it sounds like you are saying they were theives? if they were theives, then name the theifs and the charges (by the law) of the fraud, scam, stole of monies? or are these charges just something you are inventing to support your story? i find no information about any ion team person getting arrested and charged with anything, its just fantasy. if they were investors, who lost money, then why should this make everyone not trust them? did you never lose money? maybe you are more clever than every other investor. even so, this does not make you deserve trust. if anyone involved in this project lost money before, this means nothing about trust - or scam potential. the information you are giving is wrong and makes it difficult to assess, its so much crap you are posting. i found some of the ion team were investors in xpy/paycoin. what is the crime to be an investor in something that turns out to be a scam? you also seem to say that "they" have a horrible track record about something, but this part i do not understand. from what i can see this is the first altcoin they have ever set up. to me the effort looks honest. all claims that this is a scam by theives seem to be lies or information twisting from other coins which this team did not initiate. you nor anyone else has provided any information or evidence to confirm that this team are theives or scammers. yet you still call them this, with no evidence. so you have other motives other than providing useful info. "THIEF" it's spelled "THIEF" you retard. you just proofed yourself as an idiot.
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May 10, 2016, 04:22:13 PM |
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why does these six do this. what is the agenda?
it is interesting.
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May 10, 2016, 04:23:19 PM |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
I'd rephrase that opinion to it looks like in your opinion this project looks like an effort. There is no honest. Honest implies transparency and answering of questions they have neither. When they answer questions such as the ones i posted and address the stats i put about potential masternodes then i'll give them more time of day. There is nothing honest about premining coins making masternodes and trickle selling on the exchanges. You just invented free currency which you don't want that you convert to btc and usd to fill your pockets. You can sugar coat it with lies about increasing the platform but this fact stands. Inventing free money and premining makes you exactly like the banking system... inventing free fiat when you feel like it. nothing dishonest about this project has been discovered or reported. some have branded it a scam and seem to have an active interest in making the label stick, but with no evidence to support. saying something is a scam, does not make it a scam. to me this looks like an honest effort at a new altcoin launch. the plan is interesting. as to whether it will succeed is another matter. Would you please explain why it looks like an honest effort? The reason nothing dishonest has been discovered or reported is because they REFUSE to answer questions or provide transparency. I have asked half a dozen times where the extra staking power comes from for "electrifying" stakers only to be ignore all 6 times. How all of a sudden do you magically get extra staking power without already having that staking in existence? My conclusion is by putting the pre mine into Masternodes. How is that honest? Same shit as XPY, almost to a T. Did you consider XPY to be an honest operation. Are we now just supposed to trust people in crypto because they say "just trust us"?. Are we not entitled to ha e questions answered? Especially with the track record of previous operations associated with the team? When they are asking for $500,000 to $1,000,000 of free money? I really want to know what bring you to the conclusion that this is an honest operation. I want to see some facts. Them being "nice" does not qualify. Do you also feel that a huge pre-mine with zero transparency is the "honest" way to launch a coin? XPY launched the exact same way... after reading through a lot of crap, i found that this team did not launch XPY or paycoin even though you and others keep saying they did. you should not trust this altcoin any more than you trust any other altcoin launch. but i see no reason to trust it any less either. I never stated they started XPY or Paycoin, I stated they were involved in it which is 100% fact. Say there was this bank with a horrible track record of misusing customer funds and they closed that bank and started a whole new bank. Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and give them your money? Again, please state why you think it is an honest operation. Fee free to answer any of the other questions I posed to you as well. involved can mean two things. as an investor or as a theif? are you suggesting the ion team were theives or investors? it sounds like you are saying they were theives? if they were theives, then name the theifs and the charges (by the law) of the fraud, scam, stole of monies? or are these charges just something you are inventing to support your story? i find no information about any ion team person getting arrested and charged with anything, its just fantasy. if they were investors, who lost money, then why should this make everyone not trust them? did you never lose money? maybe you are more clever than every other investor. even so, this does not make you deserve trust. if anyone involved in this project lost money before, this means nothing about trust - or scam potential. the information you are giving is wrong and makes it difficult to assess, its so much crap you are posting. i found some of the ion team were investors in xpy/paycoin. what is the crime to be an investor in something that turns out to be a scam? you also seem to say that "they" have a horrible track record about something, but this part i do not understand. from what i can see this is the first altcoin they have ever set up. to me the effort looks honest. all claims that this is a scam by theives seem to be lies or information twisting from other coins which this team did not initiate. you nor anyone else has provided any information or evidence to confirm that this team are theives or scammers. yet you still call them this, with no evidence. so you have other motives other than providing useful info. "THIEF" it's spelled "THIEF" you retard. you just proofed yourself as an idiot. proved
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May 10, 2016, 04:23:52 PM |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
I'd rephrase that opinion to it looks like in your opinion this project looks like an effort. There is no honest. Honest implies transparency and answering of questions they have neither. When they answer questions such as the ones i posted and address the stats i put about potential masternodes then i'll give them more time of day. There is nothing honest about premining coins making masternodes and trickle selling on the exchanges. You just invented free currency which you don't want that you convert to btc and usd to fill your pockets. You can sugar coat it with lies about increasing the platform but this fact stands. Inventing free money and premining makes you exactly like the banking system... inventing free fiat when you feel like it. nothing dishonest about this project has been discovered or reported. some have branded it a scam and seem to have an active interest in making the label stick, but with no evidence to support. saying something is a scam, does not make it a scam. to me this looks like an honest effort at a new altcoin launch. the plan is interesting. as to whether it will succeed is another matter. Would you please explain why it looks like an honest effort? The reason nothing dishonest has been discovered or reported is because they REFUSE to answer questions or provide transparency. I have asked half a dozen times where the extra staking power comes from for "electrifying" stakers only to be ignore all 6 times. How all of a sudden do you magically get extra staking power without already having that staking in existence? My conclusion is by putting the pre mine into Masternodes. How is that honest? Same shit as XPY, almost to a T. Did you consider XPY to be an honest operation. Are we now just supposed to trust people in crypto because they say "just trust us"?. Are we not entitled to ha e questions answered? Especially with the track record of previous operations associated with the team? When they are asking for $500,000 to $1,000,000 of free money? I really want to know what bring you to the conclusion that this is an honest operation. I want to see some facts. Them being "nice" does not qualify. Do you also feel that a huge pre-mine with zero transparency is the "honest" way to launch a coin? XPY launched the exact same way... after reading through a lot of crap, i found that this team did not launch XPY or paycoin even though you and others keep saying they did. you should not trust this altcoin any more than you trust any other altcoin launch. but i see no reason to trust it any less either. I never stated they started XPY or Paycoin, I stated they were involved in it which is 100% fact. Say there was this bank with a horrible track record of misusing customer funds and they closed that bank and started a whole new bank. Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and give them your money? Again, please state why you think it is an honest operation. Fee free to answer any of the other questions I posed to you as well. involved can mean two things. as an investor or as a theif? are you suggesting the ion team were theives or investors? it sounds like you are saying they were theives? if they were theives, then name the theifs and the charges (by the law) of the fraud, scam, stole of monies? or are these charges just something you are inventing to support your story? i find no information about any ion team person getting arrested and charged with anything, its just fantasy. if they were investors, who lost money, then why should this make everyone not trust them? did you never lose money? maybe you are more clever than every other investor. even so, this does not make you deserve trust. if anyone involved in this project lost money before, this means nothing about trust - or scam potential. the information you are giving is wrong and makes it difficult to assess, its so much crap you are posting. i found some of the ion team were investors in xpy/paycoin. what is the crime to be an investor in something that turns out to be a scam? you also seem to say that "they" have a horrible track record about something, but this part i do not understand. from what i can see this is the first altcoin they have ever set up. to me the effort looks honest. all claims that this is a scam by theives seem to be lies or information twisting from other coins which this team did not initiate. you nor anyone else has provided any information or evidence to confirm that this team are theives or scammers. yet you still call them this, with no evidence. so you have other motives other than providing useful info. "THIEF" it's spelled "THIEF" you retard. you just proofed yourself as an idiot. provedidiot.
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May 10, 2016, 04:26:31 PM |
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after following this thread for a few weeks its plain to see that about 6 people seem to have a real issue with this ion project and have put a lot of effort into trying to associate it with gaw, paycoin, scam etc.
there's a few unanswered questions from the ion team, but apart from that, this thread is just full of crap from these same 6 people.
its a shame because it means the ion team didnt spend much time to answer the questions as the point is, the people asking the questions dont seem to want to know the answers. any answers would be quickly buried with the same crap from the same 6 people.
in my opinion this project looks like an honest effort.
I'd rephrase that opinion to it looks like in your opinion this project looks like an effort. There is no honest. Honest implies transparency and answering of questions they have neither. When they answer questions such as the ones i posted and address the stats i put about potential masternodes then i'll give them more time of day. There is nothing honest about premining coins making masternodes and trickle selling on the exchanges. You just invented free currency which you don't want that you convert to btc and usd to fill your pockets. You can sugar coat it with lies about increasing the platform but this fact stands. Inventing free money and premining makes you exactly like the banking system... inventing free fiat when you feel like it. nothing dishonest about this project has been discovered or reported. some have branded it a scam and seem to have an active interest in making the label stick, but with no evidence to support. saying something is a scam, does not make it a scam. to me this looks like an honest effort at a new altcoin launch. the plan is interesting. as to whether it will succeed is another matter. Would you please explain why it looks like an honest effort? The reason nothing dishonest has been discovered or reported is because they REFUSE to answer questions or provide transparency. I have asked half a dozen times where the extra staking power comes from for "electrifying" stakers only to be ignore all 6 times. How all of a sudden do you magically get extra staking power without already having that staking in existence? My conclusion is by putting the pre mine into Masternodes. How is that honest? Same shit as XPY, almost to a T. Did you consider XPY to be an honest operation. Are we now just supposed to trust people in crypto because they say "just trust us"?. Are we not entitled to ha e questions answered? Especially with the track record of previous operations associated with the team? When they are asking for $500,000 to $1,000,000 of free money? I really want to know what bring you to the conclusion that this is an honest operation. I want to see some facts. Them being "nice" does not qualify. Do you also feel that a huge pre-mine with zero transparency is the "honest" way to launch a coin? XPY launched the exact same way... after reading through a lot of crap, i found that this team did not launch XPY or paycoin even though you and others keep saying they did. you should not trust this altcoin any more than you trust any other altcoin launch. but i see no reason to trust it any less either. I never stated they started XPY or Paycoin, I stated they were involved in it which is 100% fact. Say there was this bank with a horrible track record of misusing customer funds and they closed that bank and started a whole new bank. Would you give them the benefit of the doubt and give them your money? Again, please state why you think it is an honest operation. Fee free to answer any of the other questions I posed to you as well. involved can mean two things. as an investor or as a theif? are you suggesting the ion team were theives or investors? it sounds like you are saying they were theives? if they were theives, then name the theifs and the charges (by the law) of the fraud, scam, stole of monies? or are these charges just something you are inventing to support your story? i find no information about any ion team person getting arrested and charged with anything, its just fantasy. if they were investors, who lost money, then why should this make everyone not trust them? did you never lose money? maybe you are more clever than every other investor. even so, this does not make you deserve trust. if anyone involved in this project lost money before, this means nothing about trust - or scam potential. the information you are giving is wrong and makes it difficult to assess, its so much crap you are posting. i found some of the ion team were investors in xpy/paycoin. what is the crime to be an investor in something that turns out to be a scam? you also seem to say that "they" have a horrible track record about something, but this part i do not understand. from what i can see this is the first altcoin they have ever set up. to me the effort looks honest. all claims that this is a scam by theives seem to be lies or information twisting from other coins which this team did not initiate. you nor anyone else has provided any information or evidence to confirm that this team are theives or scammers. yet you still call them this, with no evidence. so you have other motives other than providing useful info. "THIEF" it's spelled "THIEF" you retard. you just proofed yourself as an idiot. provedidiot. Because I can spell correctly, and you can't? ROFL Gotta love GAWtards! Up is down, ignorance is strength, thief is "theif", obvious scam is well-intended failure.
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May 10, 2016, 04:36:48 PM |
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i have answered this many times about my opinon of trustness.
unless you are a team member, how can you (or anyone) know 100 per cent?
i have no reason to trust or untrust ion team, but i lean on the trust side because of there performance in the last year.
they have not run off with anyones bitcoins for a year and all those people who have invested in this team over this year all seem to be happy, not claiming fraud or asking for their bitcoins back. so there are more reasons to trust than there are reasons to not trust.
I'm going to ask again, because you seem to be either dodging or completely missing this key point: They came here asking for money from people, claiming to be a company registered in Singapore. They lied about this. What part of soliciting funds from the public based on a lie seems trustworthy, in your eyes? even the supporters in slack know there is risks, of course there is risks, see this i copied from slack from brohill: It's no scam and most logical people agree, from what I've seen posted, but will it succeed? It all depends on the popularity of the games that integrate ION and to what depth. the team for various reasons is not very transparent and that's their call. I know some of them personally and believe in the project and their ability to deliver as well as integrity. However, that means nothing to an outside investor... So it's a tough call for some people and that's understandable. The evidence of worthy investment will be in the delivery. Personally I think there is a fair chance ION will fluctuate below the ICO prices for a time before more deliverables are met.
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May 10, 2016, 04:40:33 PM |
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i have answered this many times about my opinon of trustness.
unless you are a team member, how can you (or anyone) know 100 per cent?
i have no reason to trust or untrust ion team, but i lean on the trust side because of there performance in the last year.
they have not run off with anyones bitcoins for a year and all those people who have invested in this team over this year all seem to be happy, not claiming fraud or asking for their bitcoins back. so there are more reasons to trust than there are reasons to not trust.
I'm going to ask again, because you seem to be either dodging or completely missing this key point: They came here asking for money from people, claiming to be a company registered in Singapore. They lied about this. What part of soliciting funds from the public based on a lie seems trustworthy, in your eyes? even the supporters in slack know there is risks, of course there is risks, see this i copied from slack from brohill: It's no scam and most logical people agree, from what I've seen posted, but will it succeed? It all depends on the popularity of the games that integrate ION and to what depth. the team for various reasons is not very transparent and that's their call. I know some of them personally and believe in the project and their ability to deliver as well as integrity. However, that means nothing to an outside investor... So it's a tough call for some people and that's understandable. The evidence of worthy investment will be in the delivery. Personally I think there is a fair chance ION will fluctuate below the ICO prices for a time before more deliverables are met.Thanks for taking the time to respond, however, instead of quoting something from Slack, could you perhaps respond to my initial question: Do you think that lying about being a registered company when soliciting funds is an example of trustworthy behaviour? If not, can you understand why some people, myself included, are being very vocal about the actions and behaviour of the ionomy team?
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May 10, 2016, 04:43:32 PM |
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i have answered this many times about my opinon of trustness.
unless you are a team member, how can you (or anyone) know 100 per cent?
i have no reason to trust or untrust ion team, but i lean on the trust side because of there performance in the last year.
they have not run off with anyones bitcoins for a year and all those people who have invested in this team over this year all seem to be happy, not claiming fraud or asking for their bitcoins back. so there are more reasons to trust than there are reasons to not trust.
I'm going to ask again, because you seem to be either dodging or completely missing this key point: They came here asking for money from people, claiming to be a company registered in Singapore. They lied about this. What part of soliciting funds from the public based on a lie seems trustworthy, in your eyes? even the supporters in slack know there is risks, of course there is risks, see this i copied from slack from brohill: It's no scam and most logical people agree, from what I've seen posted, but will it succeed? It all depends on the popularity of the games that integrate ION and to what depth. the team for various reasons is not very transparent and that's their call. I know some of them personally and believe in the project and their ability to deliver as well as integrity. However, that means nothing to an outside investor... So it's a tough call for some people and that's understandable. The evidence of worthy investment will be in the delivery. Personally I think there is a fair chance ION will fluctuate below the ICO prices for a time before more deliverables are met.Thanks for taking the time to respond, however, instead of quoting something from Slack, could you perhaps respond to my initial question: Do you think that lying about being a registered company when soliciting funds is an example of trustworthy behaviour? If not, can you understand why some people, myself included, are being very vocal about the actions and behaviour of the ionomy team? yes, this information should have been released or a reason given for why it would not be released. but to leave this question unanswered makes the risk higher in my opinion too. is there even a company? if so, why not say it or why say there is one if there is not? it does add doubts to the scale instead of trust points.
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It is too early to place any judgement on the team or the coin.
When we see the blockchain and wallet in a week, it will become clearer, and crystal clear when game comes out.
6 Days to go, and counting.
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May 10, 2016, 04:51:06 PM |
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It is too early to place any judgement on the team or the coin.
When we see the blockchain and wallet in a week, it will become clearer, and crystal clear when game comes out.
6 Days to go, and counting.
this is true. in a few days all will start to reveal it self. with just a few days to go, anyone undecided could better wait and see how the launch works. right now i do not hear any unhappy investors.
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May 10, 2016, 04:55:46 PM |
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It is too early to place any judgement on the team or the coin.
When we see the blockchain and wallet in a week, it will become clearer, and crystal clear when game comes out.
6 Days to go, and counting.
this is true. in a few days all will start to reveal it self. with just a few days to go, anyone undecided could better wait and see how the launch works. right now i do not hear any unhappy investors. Ponzi scheme investors are usually happy as pie until the scammer stops payouts and they're left holding the bag.
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Adam Matlack 1/5/2014: "Not but 30 seconds later, the Holy Spirit slapped me upside the head and said "what are you thinkin'? What are you doin'?" It was an emphatic "NO". And I got - just guilt started to cover me"
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May 10, 2016, 04:59:54 PM |
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It is too early to place any judgement on the team or the coin.
When we see the blockchain and wallet in a week, it will become clearer, and crystal clear when game comes out.
6 Days to go, and counting.
this is true. in a few days all will start to reveal it self. with just a few days to go, anyone undecided could better wait and see how the launch works. right now i do not hear any unhappy investors. Ponzi scheme investors are usually happy as pie until the scammer stops payouts and they're left holding the bag. you are claiming this is a ponzi ? you have evidence ? or this fact just comes out from your back side with all your other facts ?
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May 10, 2016, 05:01:23 PM |
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To the ION devs
You guys provide the company registration papers for Singapore and all is cool RIGHT
WRONG you'll get a flippant acknowledgement if your lucky then it's onto to something else
I'm glad you haven't responded as it would achieve absolutely nothing.
Ignore these shitheads with axes to grind and different agenda's
As Frans_shithead posted yesterday
Bitcoin is fine. It's secure, it's succesful, it's changing the world. You don't need all that other crap. But you know what, have fun shitcoining, have fun with XPY, ION, DMD and all the other scams and ponzi schemes you fall for.
A total waste of time
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ladrx
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May 10, 2016, 05:03:47 PM |
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It is too early to place any judgement on the team or the coin.
When we see the blockchain and wallet in a week, it will become clearer, and crystal clear when game comes out.
6 Days to go, and counting.
this is true. in a few days all will start to reveal it self. with just a few days to go, anyone undecided could better wait and see how the launch works. right now i do not hear any unhappy investors. Ponzi scheme investors are usually happy as pie until the scammer stops payouts and they're left holding the bag. you are claiming this is a ponzi ? you have evidence ? or this fact just comes out from your back side with all your other facts ? If I said yes, would it even matter? You think people are idiots for correcting your atrocious spelling.
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Adam Matlack 1/5/2014: "Not but 30 seconds later, the Holy Spirit slapped me upside the head and said "what are you thinkin'? What are you doin'?" It was an emphatic "NO". And I got - just guilt started to cover me"
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