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[Phildo]

How many investors/developers/etc have looked at the ionomy.com/games have seen the "edgey" typo in the Urban Words description and not gotten it fixed?

I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)

What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?

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[o0o0]

How many investors/developers/etc have looked at the ionomy.com/games have seen the "edgey" typo in the Urban Words description and not gotten it fixed?

I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)

What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?

Thats because edgey is an urban word... like coining and looser and well you know the rest.

Im more concerned that in all their awesomeness before releasing the coin they couldn't go to all those indie game sites and gather some people to make some games pre-release and include the api etc that they supposedly have.

Would this be the smart thing to do? I mean a mobile based coin needs to have games on release to be a mobile based coin right? Else its just a coin that might oneday have a game made for it?

Its like a horse riding school with no horses. Trust us guys we hope to have horses here one day to teach people to ride... for now just sit on that log over there and pretend.

[suchmoon]

Thats because edgey is an urban word... like coining and looser and well you know the rest.

Im more concerned that in all their awesomeness before releasing the coin they couldn't go to all those indie game sites and gather some people to make some games pre-release and include the api etc that they supposedly have.

Would this be the smart thing to do? I mean a mobile based coin needs to have games on release to be a mobile based coin right? Else its just a coin that might oneday have a game made for it?

Its like a horse riding school with no horses. Trust us guys we hope to have horses here one day to teach people to ride... for now just sit on that log over there and pretend.

But luckily they do have a captive audience that stuck with them for a year of doing fuck all. If they can ride it out for the next 6 months... then covert to CPR coin or whatever was suggested earlier in the thread

The reason they don't have games or horses is that there's a massive difference between coin cloning, website design, and game development. Coin cloners and website devs are a dime a dozen. Trying to make a good game in this saturated market is borderline insane but in this case they just need to make ANY game and they can still hobble along for a while with their 200 loyal users.

[rdewilde]

BTW this is horribly bad practice.

For those not versed in networking

an address like

45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002

These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.

SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.

This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.

Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.

Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.

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Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.

Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.

Nonsense, it is POS not POW. You need coins per wallet to stake, for a masternode 20k. It does not matter if you run 2x 20k MN on two small servers or one big server.

Same for normal nodes. It is relative to the number of coins in your wallet what the reward will be. It makes no sense, and does not matter, to split this into many wallets (except if it is a security measure).

[rdewilde]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

[Franz_Huber]

The reason they don't have games or horses is that there's a massive difference between coin cloning, website design, and game development. Coin cloners and website devs are a dime a dozen. Trying to make a good game in this saturated market is borderline insane but in this case they just need to make ANY game and they can still hobble along for a while with their 200 loyal users.

Your such a trol! Stop fudding!! Ionomy is great cuz they publish one game per month and there for Xbox, WiiU and Google Glass too!!!

[o0o0]

BTW this is horribly bad practice.

For those not versed in networking

an address like

45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002

These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.

SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.

This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.

Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.

Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.

EDIT
Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.

Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.

Nonsense, it is POS not POW. You need coins per wallet to stake, for a masternode 20k. It does not matter if you run 2x 20k MN on two small servers or one big server.

Same for normal nodes. It is relative to the number of coins in your wallet what the reward will be. It makes no sense, and does not matter, to split this into many wallets (except if it is a security measure).

Masternodes are designed for more anonymous sends with darksend / dashsend whatever they call it.

Having everything run through the same source with the mixing etc kinda defeats that purpose. If you want to go the nonsense route with POS then nonsense POS doesn't need masternodes why not just have a constant stake rate for any balance then people don't need to give their coins to others or have silly 20k minimum amounts.

[o0o0]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

Apple will not allow a token that gives monetary money outside. if they did then others would simply not use ingame currency and ion or similar tokens and direct people to use them at their site. Apple and google will knock this on its ass and freeze all of the devs games that do it until they are changed. Is you and others in ions investment worth taking such a high risk for what is their crowning purpose of the coin i.e. mobile gaming? If apple store and google play store freeze or remove these games which they will... then does that mean the coin loses all purpose? Your opinion?

[Franz_Huber]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

Apple will not allow a token that gives monetary money outside. if they did then others would simply not use ingame currency and ion or similar tokens and direct people to use them at their site. Apple and google will knock this on its ass and freeze all of the devs games that do it until they are changed. Is you and others in ions investment worth taking such a high risk for what is their crowning purpose of the coin i.e. mobile gaming? If apple store and google play store freeze or remove these games which they will... then does that mean the coin loses all purpose? Your opinion?

The coin's purpose is to further rip off paytards, so having no games in the Appstore and Google Play store does not really defeat its purpose. The ICO made ionomy some money, now they will pump and dump for a few months to make more money, and that's it.

[ICOcountdown.com]

The reason why the price is not dropping is because it's not a free market. You can only sell at certain prices. If it gets added somewhere else the volatility will be much higher. Once again this is a terrible idea, no idea they would implement this but fixed prices are not good in a free market it is demonstrative of value. It can't fall like a rock because the exchange has a limit on how low you can sell. Sells below a certain point are not honoured, this is called fake price stability. The point is that the numbers will not stay the same, the reason for this is because the current exchange price is manipulated. Once you add it to another exchange the numbers will be much different because they use a free market system. Fake price stability is not stability. No coins that have fake price stability have survived, you can check the original Paycoin for that. One again history is repeating itself.

The point is that the numbers will not stay the same, the reason for this is because the current exchange price is manipulated. Once you add it to another exchange the numbers will be much different because they use a free market system. Fake price stability is not stability. No coins that have fake price stability have survived, you can check the original Paycoin for that. One again history is repeating itself.

This is the incorrect statement made on BCT by ICOcountdown.com

How is the exchange limited at all? its completely open. anyone can sell or buy at any level they want at any moment they would like. how could you honestly look at it and think any different?

I guess that's one way to get a comment from MrCEO  



I wonder what triggers it. Let's try this one:

Adam Matlack may have stolen all BTC collected from the ION ICO and fled to Dubai. Otherwise they would have provided the address for the funds and all that other accountability and transparency shit... wouldn't they?

Click this link to see the contradiction: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F3ea35a88a34b5acb72f5fbe72ca5b6d9.png&t=564&c=4qbhv7PefJLS0A

If suchmoon would like to quote this post and display this image for me it would help since he has the original I think.

[boki15]

Slight correction for bounty wallet from rdewilde

Dev bounty fund address, as some requested:
ih4X5nhzYVi6Nd4tcGX1qvtC47dzdThZV8

Thanks! I think I will wait for more updates and then re-post the whole updated FAQ.

BTW did you check the balance? It's ~2.2 million, even though whitepaper states 2.5 million and the unsold ICO coins were supposed to go to the bounties as well (another 2+ million) (edit: scratch that - unsold coins might be in a bucket for a different purpose the address for which is not known yet). Also staking like crazy although I can't fathom a reason why these funds shouldn't be in a cold wallet.

This transparency thing is a major chore for these guys.

Since i haven't made a coin before can someone tell me how to find the original generated coins? I expected to use a block explorer to check block 1 i.e. the genesis block and see coins move from that but you don't see it.

Its quite easy to get the ip behind the ionomy website to match the hosting for the vps for their wallet masternodes as cloudflare doesn't mask this well enough when the domain service leaks it in other ways for the site.

Does anyone know how to find the originating generated coins? To verify their premine is as they said?

Sure, I supose many know here how to do it, but here it is for ionomy, everything seems clear to me by the code:

REMOVED BECAUSE OF HYPOCRATIC REASONS

Seems like I am in an good mood today, ok, I'll share anotherREMOVED BECAUSE OF HYPOCRATIC REASONS that might help you on genesis creation. If you look into the code, then its easier to understand how this is donoe.

[korvas128]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

To tell everyone now how they would implement the payment element in gaming would be commercial stupidity. At this stage showing intent is enough. If the ION team turned round today and said this is how we'll implement then

a) you've given away a competitive advantage

b) you set yourself up for someone to screw you

The best thing to do is go ahead and implement then discuss the merits or failings later. Today if you think the implementation has no chance then it's simple don't invest.

[boki15]

BTW @ION Team

WTF!!! You get an news line an then you want to promote this news line by putting it as secret for your chain, I am pointing in particular to I organisation, for years??? This is not clever at all!

But I assume you will not create an new coin because you need to change secret key, lol, whose idea was it?? Whoever, this person messed it up

[CryptoBuds]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

To tell everyone now how they would implement the payment element in gaming would be commercial stupidity. At this stage showing intent is enough. If the ION team turned round today and said this is how we'll implement then

a) you've given away a competitive advantage

b) you set yourself up for someone to screw you

The best thing to do is go ahead and implement then discuss the merits or failings later. Today if you think the implementation has no chance then it's simple don't invest.

No offense, but Garza made the exact statement when asked how ZenPool was so much more profitable than any other pool in existence. The exact same excuse. And this is correct if you are doing something you want to hide. If your competitive edge is getting around a loophole in an App Store, then yikes. Shouldn't your competitive edge be the quality of your dev team and their games? Not what loophole is gonna be exploited in the systems.

[boki15]

I dont agree with you cryptobuds. For me Adam is not the same like ganza and ion is not the same like paycoin, if you want to point out how similar they are, please provide code comparrison.

They are an company and by all meaning, they do not need to provide any information which would be much bigger problem if they are an scam an ganza like what so many here state.

CryptoBudds, you got again an reply and then you go again with "If, when",... . Ganza had so much support and money that he could have created something usefull, he just decided to steal, why? maybe he will tell it on the court.

Can you talk now a little bit about wallet code? Where are differences to the original coin? What advantage or disadvantage has this coin? How stable is their blockchain? Which kind of attacks on this blockchain are possible and how did they prevent it in their code? Hidden code parts? Bugs? Can anybody reply to these questions without going into offtopic or assumption about ganza and gaw,because we already have 89 pages about this topic, lets move on to the code.

[CryptoBuds]

I dont agree with you cryptobuds. For me Adam is not the same like ganza and ion is not the same like paycoin, if you want to point out how similar they are, please provide code comparrison.

They are an company and by all meaning, they do not need to provide any information which would be much bigger problem if they are an scam an ganza like what so many here state.

CryptoBudds, you got again an reply and then you go again with "If, when",... . Ganza had so much support and money that he could have created something usefull, he just decided to steal, why? maybe he will tell it on the court.

Can you talk now a little bit about wallet code? Where are differences to the original coin? What advantage or disadvantage has this coin? How stable is their blockchain? Which kind of attacks on this blockchain are possible and how did they prevent it in their code? Hidden code parts? Bugs? Can anybody reply to these questions without going into offtopic or assumption about ganza and gaw,because we already have 89 pages about this topic, lets move on to the code.

What is the point in talking about code if a game coin can't get into any App Store? That's why people want to talk about getting into the stores and not violating TOSs. If you don't want to talk about that, that's completely fine. I don't get the "business competitive advantage" bs, but if you say so. To me that is an excuse for "we don't know how we're gonna do it". We're talking about getting into the app stores here, absolutely vital to the success of the coin they just launched. They should already have this done. How would sharing their approach to this be giving out competitive business advantages?

If you want to talk about coin code, that is great. I'm sure some others will take you up on that. I'm interested in the games and game development, if you would have read some of my recent posts. So that is where I am going to focus my questions. Is that ok?

[korvas128]

Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"

No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though

To tell everyone now how they would implement the payment element in gaming would be commercial stupidity. At this stage showing intent is enough. If the ION team turned round today and said this is how we'll implement then

a) you've given away a competitive advantage

b) you set yourself up for someone to screw you

The best thing to do is go ahead and implement then discuss the merits or failings later. Today if you think the implementation has no chance then it's simple don't invest.

No offense, but Garza made the exact statement when asked how ZenPool was so much more profitable than any other pool in existence. The exact same excuse. And this is correct if you are doing something you want to hide. If your competitive edge is getting around a loophole in an App Store, then yikes. Shouldn't your competitive edge be the quality of your dev team and their games? Not what loophole is gonna be exploited in the systems.

No offence taken  but Fuck Garza. That asshole made statements on something that was available. This is totally different different

[boki15]

I dont agree with you cryptobuds. For me Adam is not the same like ganza and ion is not the same like paycoin, if you want to point out how similar they are, please provide code comparrison.

They are an company and by all meaning, they do not need to provide any information which would be much bigger problem if they are an scam an ganza like what so many here state.

CryptoBudds, you got again an reply and then you go again with "If, when",... . Ganza had so much support and money that he could have created something usefull, he just decided to steal, why? maybe he will tell it on the court.

Can you talk now a little bit about wallet code? Where are differences to the original coin? What advantage or disadvantage has this coin? How stable is their blockchain? Which kind of attacks on this blockchain are possible and how did they prevent it in their code? Hidden code parts? Bugs? Can anybody reply to these questions without going into offtopic or assumption about ganza and gaw,because we already have 89 pages about this topic, lets move on to the code.

What is the point in talking about code if a game coin can't get into any App Store? That's why people want to talk about getting into the stores and not violating TOSs. If you don't want to talk about that, that's completely fine. I don't get the "business competitive advantage" bs, but if you say so. To me that is an excuse for "we don't know how we're gonna do it". We're talking about getting into the app stores here, absolutely vital to the success of the coin they just launched. They should already have this done. How would sharing their approach to this be giving out competitive business advantages?

If you want to talk about coin code, that is great. I'm sure some others will take you up on that. I'm interested in the games and game development, if you would have read some of my recent posts. So that is where I am going to focus my questions. Is that ok?

I would assume there are several points:

1. This is bitcointalk, not an gaming platform or investment platform, it is mainly about the code and not an business model.
2. If they tell you how they want to do it, why would you talk about it at all if it is impossible by the code?
3. I do not see anybody of them who is responsible for business model coming over and discussing about it.

You say "business comp....." BS. Exactly this is what I try to tell you with point 3. You ask questions and nobody can reply them except their team. Do you know this game for kids, where one person tells something to antoher and so far. What comes out at the end? This is what I expect if people go to ask on slack and report their view here.

[CryptoBuds]

Yes, I would like someone from the ION team to legitimately answer some questions. How about Ionomy, the user that started the thread? Any chance he could answer on an official stance. I'm not digging to uncover anything. I am genuinely interested in the gaming aspect of it. If they do things right it really does have potential. It's an interesting concept but all based on the execution of a team that stays quiet. Just because I own zero ION doesn't mean I want it to fail. But I also don't want to see hazardous mistakes happen either.

If the whole game and gaming aspect of the project was more clear I would consider buying a handful to see how it all works. But with vague information, I don't want to throw away good money. Even though it's only a few bucks, it's the principal of it all.

Korvas, I do appreciate you answering what you could, thank you.

And rdwilde just directly copy and pastes the questions and answers to and from so there is not lost in translation effect. But I see what could happen if it done other ways. I believe the game boki15 is talking about is telephone.

[boki15]

Yes, I would like someone from the ION team to legitimately answer some questions. How about Ionomy, the user that started the thread? Any chance he could answer on an official stance. I'm not digging to uncover anything. I am genuinely interested in the gaming aspect of it. If they do things right it really does have potential. It's an interesting concept but all based on the execution of a team that stays quiet. Just because I own zero ION doesn't mean I want it to fail. But I also don't want to see hazardous mistakes happen either.

If the whole game and gaming aspect of the project was more clear I would consider buying a handful to see how it all works. But with vague information, I don't want to throw away good money. Even though it's only a few bucks, it's the principal of it all.

Korvas, I do appreciate you answering what you could, thank you.

This is the reason why I asked not to harras people. I want them to come over and reply all questions before it's too late if they are an scam. Adam and co. do not want to come over and stated it multiple times that they do not feel any need to come over and explain anything if the only purpose will be bashing on them and going offtopic. So far he was right, we have 89 reasonable pages for them not to come and reply, it would be just not professional to take an part on some bashing discussion.

So far we are not doing great as they are still not here, we passed ICO and we discuss with each other, even more, we get into useless conflicts with each other.

I am very interrested in gaming part as well because they come from gaming world, but currently I am mainly interested in their code part as long as nobody of them comes. Coding part are facts for us, business model discussion is just an assumption.

I believe the game boki15 is talking about is telephone

Exactly, it is telephone, thanks, I did not know how it is called in english.