Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[OgNasty]

So Bitmain have again broken the cgminer license and not released the source code of all their changes within the requirements of the GPLv3 license.

Though it's obvious most don't care about that and will keep buying these things

Most have little to gain.  These types of issues are usually resolved with "an undisclosed amount."  Has any type of legal contact been made?

[kano]

So Bitmain have again broken the cgminer license and not released the source code of all their changes within the requirements of the GPLv3 license.

Though it's obvious most don't care about that and will keep buying these things

Most have little to gain.  These types of issues are usually resolved with "an undisclosed amount."  Has any type of legal contact been made?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg15743259#msg15743259

Lulz ... ... ... "an undisclosed amount." ... ... ...

[flameruk]

Kind of makes you want to reverse engineer the S9 hash boards and just make a rip off version.
A European Counterfeit S9, that would be a laugh .........

[Tupsu]

How much can i mine with this miner per day. I am planning to buy 10 such miners. I want to know everything before buying this miner. If possible pm me. How much btc it mines per month and whats the maintenance cost(mostly electricity)  of running it for a month. And how much will be estimated profit from it.
Is it really profitable?
Thank you in advance.

10 x 1172W =11720W x 24 =281,28 kW/h per day + 12% = 315 kW/h per day

11,85x 10=118,5 TH/s per day

1 TH/s earnings per day  0.00117783 BTC    (PPS )
118,5 x 0.00117783 = 0,139572855 BTC per day minus 2,5% PPS fee = 0,136 BTC per day

Antminer S9
1. Hash Rate: 11.85TH/s ±5%
2. Power Consumption: 1172W + 12% (at the wall, with APW3 ,93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)


With electricity prices 0,1 euro per kW/h , each miner's profits are 5 EURO per day   (1BTC=590 EURO)

[IconFirm]

So Bitmain have again broken the cgminer license and not released the source code of all their changes within the requirements of the GPLv3 license.

Though it's obvious most don't care about that and will keep buying these things

Most have little to gain.  These types of issues are usually resolved with "an undisclosed amount."  Has any type of legal contact been made?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg15743259#msg15743259

Lulz ... ... ... "an undisclosed amount." ... ... ...

Just guessing here, but if they are selling software that is in breach of the license agreement, doesn't that mean it is counterfeit?  If so, sites that are selling counterfeit software can be taken down with a simple DMCA request. It might seem a bit extreme, but if their site was taken offline it would hit both their sales & their reputation(?).

I'm sure they would quickly release their source code once that happened.......

[sidehack]

Is sidehack dismantling one of these puppies anytime soon?

Kind of makes you want to reverse engineer the S9 hash boards and just make a rip off version.
A European Counterfeit S9, that would be a laugh .........

Hm... Running the hashboard on cgminer is a lot more of a software problem than a hardware problem. There might be enough info out there to build a USB adapter to the 18-pin cable with a micro on it. Take some time, but not impossible. It'd probably be easier to just write a cgminer for the native controller but that's difficult without any real chip info or hardware info like might be available if they released bmminer code which would solve the problem anyway.

[Crazymoon]

So I can mine only Bitcoin with this miner or every coin that is SHA-256 supported?

[Erumara]

SHA-256 ASICs will work for any SHA-256 algo altcoin.

Keep in mind the most recemt ASIC's have a tendency to choke on the low difficulties presented by most altcoins, running all possibilities of given hashes + nonces and sometimes crashing the miners.

Coins I know of with reasonable difficulties (>1M):

Aurora, Digibyte (SHA256), Unbreakable, Terra, Neos, Digital (SHA256), Maza, C-Bit, Join.

Keep in mind profitability for these altcoins fluctuate wildly, check out www.zpool.ca.

[Crazymoon]

SHA-256 ASICs will work for any SHA-256 algo altcoin.

Keep in mind the most recemt ASIC's have a tendency to choke on the low difficulties presented by most altcoins, running all possibilities of given hashes + nonces and sometimes crashing the miners.

Coins I know of with reasonable difficulties (>1M):

Aurora, Digibyte (SHA256), Unbreakable, Terra, Neos, Digital (SHA256), Maza, C-Bit, Join.

Keep in mind profitability for these altcoins fluctuate wildly, check out www.zpool.ca.

Thanks for the info though. Was not sure, because there are really good miners released by some people and they are locked only for bitcoin mining.

[Megaquake]

Bitmain waiting for the value of BTC to hit 700 before they release another batch of the s9  lol

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Bitmain waiting for the value of BTC to hit 700 before they release another batch of the s9   lol

With BTC currently = ! 610 USD that may take awhile... Eeep!

Or... they are fulfilling order for mega customers like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566654.msg15721138#msg15721138 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566654.msg15764113#msg15764113.

Not to mention of course probably Hashnest.

"Several thousand s9's' is a helluva lot of chips and with TSMC no doubt having a monthly production limit set for Bitmain's boutique ASIC's, well you get the picture...

[vortexz]

Bitmain Sales told me on skype they will put them back on sale "in a few days"
no price and specs

[philipma1957]

Bitmain Sales told me on skype they will put them back on sale "in a few days"
no price and specs

I wonder if they will drop price a lot say 1500 or if they go with the 1800 method.

Coins are low about 600

[mamiakimo]

first mine in my life
is this temp high ?

[philipma1957]

first mine in my life
is this temp high ?

it is just okay

69 - 100   is as high as I would go.

If you drift over that  you could alter the freq just a bit lower.  say 600 down to 593 or 587

your errors are good  0.0005%  is very good.

see what you have after 2 hours

then after 4 hours

[mamiakimo]

100C after 2 hours

[philipma1957]

100C after 2 hours

try freq 587 vs 600

your error rate is good 

I would think a very slight freq drop will get you a little better temp wise

[bitcoinbarron]

With the price of bitcoin falling like a stone, they would be silly to try $1800 dollar a unit again.

[philipma1957]

With the price of bitcoin falling like a stone, they would be silly to try $1800 dollar a unit again.

would not hurt to list at  12th spec and  1800usd  see the sales for a few days.  if it does sell well cool.

if it does not sell well  end the batch  say it sold out wait a day or two and then list lower.  

Say 1600  and say 11.85 spec  to make buyers think it is different.


Just saying.  If I had the only miner to sell I would consider the above move.  And I am known to be pretty honest on this site.  In fact I give coins aways on my guess the difficulty thread. ( no charges at all)

[not.you]

With BTC falling I can't see any pricing that is going to work for bitmain.  Anything close to 3 BTC is going to take a year to ROI and right now that's looking to be $1600 and on it's way to sub $1500 from the looks of things.