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Author Topic: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments  (Read 1230674 times)
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March 30, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
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That's the least of my concern.

good job you're not a campaign manager then. it's not their job to get sentimental about things. it's their job to select posters who won't be a total disgrace to what they're representing and spread the word.

and those posters should be people who are all over the forum. a byteball sig in a byteball thread is an absolute waste of money.
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March 30, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
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That's the least of my concern.

good job you're not a campaign manager then. it's not their job to get sentimental about things. it's their job to select posters who won't be a total disgrace to what they're representing and spread the word.

and those posters should be people who are all over the forum. a byteball sig in a byteball thread is an absolute waste of money.

You are paid for "protect" the signature campaign? You did a good job.
I think at least one point is right: the Byteball campaign is a waste of money.
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March 30, 2018, 02:41:52 PM
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In my view the best distribution method of the fund left is airdrop to all byteball holders  in inverse proportion to Gbytes they have, providing they were  kept for at least a month ( to avoid massive dump). The less Gbytes you have the more you get. And it has to be done in one round of airdrop. After this  I expect a market  will soon warm it up.

Mike works and saves, so he has 10 apples.
John doesn't care and wastes, so he has 1 apple.

Let's distribute apples.   Ok Mike, you have 10, so you only get 1 for your hard work and planning.  John, you only have 1, but although you're wasteful and willing to dump, you get 10 apples.  Now you both have 11 (again?).

How is this fair?
The person that actually saves and believes in the system gets less because he HODLed, while the person that may even have received the same amount initially and dump some/most of it gets more?


By spendings his apples (GBytes)  John  stimulated demand thus pushing economy ( Byteball) forward.
By holding his apples (Gbytes) Mike did nothing for economy (Byteball).
Economy  (Byteball) is stimulated by spenders  but not by savers.
To get it, please, read about Keynesian model of economy.


People in the crypto space believe in that Keynesian crap!?
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March 30, 2018, 04:03:16 PM
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The Byteball is highly ambitious project that hold vast promise and even considering as a new Blockchain Alternative (as this article says: https://perfectial.com/blog/dag-vs-blockchain/). But technology it's using is still very young and untested, however, and in my opinion, there’s still a lot of improving to do.
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March 30, 2018, 07:33:05 PM
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Byteball allows anybody to upload arbitrary data (like docs, pdf, pictures or whatever) on the dag chain which makes it permanently part of the database stored by all full nodes. Now - what if somebody posts criminal stuff like child porn or something and suddenly all full nodes will store this shit forever? I think we need some safeguards against such abuse. Maybe only real ID verified users should be allowed to upload data? Any ideas or thoughts on this? How to ensure legality without censorship?

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March 30, 2018, 07:57:35 PM
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What's the difference between these two differents and great projects: BYTEBALL and Nano?
In other words will it be faster and cheaper to use BYTEBALL or Nano for mass adoption?
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March 30, 2018, 09:50:28 PM
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That's the least of my concern.

good job you're not a campaign manager then. it's not their job to get sentimental about things. it's their job to select posters who won't be a total disgrace to what they're representing and spread the word.

and those posters should be people who are all over the forum. a byteball sig in a byteball thread is an absolute waste of money.

that's why i said getting sentimental was the least of my concern.

please read and comprehend before wasting time cluttering the board with more nonsense.

Really byteball supporters are all zealots that never venture outside of the byteball thread? so they are a waste of time on the sig campaign?

why are you on the sig campaign then???  are you saying you are the only bb supporter who posts outside of the bb thread?  Please remove yourself now if that is what you believe.


Let me make it real simple so that you have no need to reply further.


getting sentimental is the least of my concern = im not concerned so much with him being sentimental. Get it now?

Although I question even your definition of sentimental as being anywhere near a correct representation of what i was saying.


In fact even entering discussion with you seems pointless since if I need to spoon feed every single sentence to you several times just for you to misrepresent or stumble over every reply i make then even convincing you to my point of pov (incidentally it was simply a statement providing observable events) is unimportant to me. What can I possibly gain by wasting my energy assisting you.

You continue  eating yahoo's ass to ensure you get on the next sig campaign he runs.








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March 31, 2018, 12:32:20 AM
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Otherwise - quit worrying about cheaters because there will be somebody always here to try and exploit any system. No matter what kind of distribution technique you use, somebody is going to try and find a way to exploit that and claim more then they are allowed. Obviously they can't with a drop to BTC holders but you've stopped that.
[/quote] there is not doubt in that absolutely you can have portable telegram accounts and you don't need to sign in at all you want to buy i can sell it for you but my ones are not 1000 for $37 the more expensive than that,you probably talking about mobile telegram i am talking about desktop telegram
[/quote]Sure. And how do you suppose I login to the desktop telegram accounts? They require a phone number to login - if you login new location a code is sent to the telegram accounts chat
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you only log in when you create the account the first time,you won't need to log in again in portable version as long s you don't log out
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March 31, 2018, 01:01:51 AM
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Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.
That more or less ends this giveaway. Isn't there any other way to ensure accounts are real?
I've suggested it before (and I'm not sure if you've seen it): how about an airdrop to existing Bitcointalk user accounts? You risk airdropping on account farmers, but if it's related to Merit received and account Rank, you can exclude many spammers.


It would be sufficient to take into consideration only accounts with some rank and at least one acquired merit to exclude most account farmers. If too many acquired merits will be required, you'd end up doing an airdrop for just a few, which wouldn't make much sense. However, I'm not sure this all would change adoption rate so much. After all, people on BCT who are owning BTCs would have probably already applied to the airdrop one year ago.

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March 31, 2018, 01:06:01 AM
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you only log in when you create the account the first time,you won't need to log in again in portable version as long s you don't log out
You've got no idea what you're talking about.

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March 31, 2018, 01:10:25 AM
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you only log in when you create the account the first time,you won't need to log in again in portable version as long s you don't log out
You've got no idea what you're talking about.
i know exactly what i am talking about and i am not going to say anything again it up to you if you want to beliee or not
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March 31, 2018, 01:12:52 AM
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Your thread is annoying one due to you over-quoted in the thread.

Annoying? I find that very normal in altcoin section. This is a public forum and not everyone care about it. Some people just quote and reply without even trying to make it looks good. Anyway the discussion in this thread is among members however important news can be find in the OP so people could still easily find it

What is the point of your conversation?
Just to increase the number of your posts in order to both get your Byteball sig campaign bounty?
You both win!
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March 31, 2018, 07:16:42 AM
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It is good news for Byteball community. Byteball platform and its services have become more popular and used by more projects (maybe due to its convenience).
A new ICO on BB Platform : Worldopoly
I also look at Worldopoly, that is likely potential project which can change the gaming industry based on taking advantage of powerful blockchain hashrates). However, I will discover about the project more when I have spare time.
Worldopoly is the world’s first mobile game combining AR, AI, Geolocationing, Blockchain, and DAG.
Again, Bot Store shows us its amazing functions.
Wordopoly ICO Bot is already added to the Bot Store.
Congratulations!

I don't get how Worldopoly will use Byteball. As far as I read from their official website, Worldpoly will be using ERC-20 ETH tokens. Maybe in-game transactions? Then why get into the trouble of using ETH tokens?

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March 31, 2018, 07:27:11 AM
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You are paid for "protect" the signature campaign? You did a good job.
I think at least one point is right: the Byteball campaign is a waste of money.
That guy complained all the time about Byteball signature campaigns (maybe he implied all campaigns of Byteball projects, which have been operated concurrently). Why is that?
If signature campaigns are not powerful, efficient tool to spread projects information out, no projects' founders, managers will do it in the forum.
It's simple fact.
Moreover, as someone said in previous pages, this guys mainly posted shits. I have spent my precious minutes to look at hist post history and I can not disagree with this point.

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March 31, 2018, 07:50:30 AM
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Byteball allows anybody to upload arbitrary data (like docs, pdf, pictures or whatever) on the dag chain which makes it permanently part of the database stored by all full nodes. Now - what if somebody posts criminal stuff like child porn or something and suddenly all full nodes will store this shit forever? I think we need some safeguards against such abuse. Maybe only real ID verified users should be allowed to upload data? Any ideas or thoughts on this? How to ensure legality without censorship?

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I could write a viewer that turns every DaVinci picture into child porn and make the code of this viewer out of characters in the bible. The algorithm to create this code would be derived from the constitution and Einstein's theory of relativity.

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It is good news for Byteball community. Byteball platform and its services have become more popular and used by more projects (maybe due to its convenience).
A new ICO on BB Platform : Worldopoly
I also look at Worldopoly, that is likely potential project which can change the gaming industry based on taking advantage of powerful blockchain hashrates). However, I will discover about the project more when I have spare time.
Worldopoly is the world’s first mobile game combining AR, AI, Geolocationing, Blockchain, and DAG.
Again, Bot Store shows us its amazing functions.
Wordopoly ICO Bot is already added to the Bot Store.
Congratulations!

I don't get how Worldopoly will use Byteball. As far as I read from their official website, Worldpoly will be using ERC-20 ETH tokens. Maybe in-game transactions? Then why get into the trouble of using ETH tokens?

They continuously use "Blockchain / DAG" everywhere in the whitepaper, so they probably haven't decided which one to use. They want it for transfer of in-game objects between players.
From the whitepaper: "we chose Ethereum as our base platform because of its customization possibilities and the constant improvements of the computing platform itself." They then go on to describe all of the drawbacks of using this kind of technology for games, they do a good job of describing why it's probably a pretty bad idea.

Mainly transactions speed, fees and irreversibility. A DAG based solution would help with the first two and they think they have figured out some kind of "safety measures" for the last one. They say they want a "risk free environment", so probably some kind of hybrid, not pure DLT. Maybe centralised first then on "commit" by player write to the Blockchain / DAG. Clever marketing will make hardly anyone care about this.

In their own words:
"ByteBall platform is not used yet so widely as Ethereum, but Byteball uses not blockchain technology, but DAG, that solves the above potential issues of Ethereum: the response time in ByteBall is less than 1 sec, the commission for making a transaction is cheaper than Ethereum’s more than in 1000 times and now is on average $ 0.0001. Until we are sure that one of the platforms is much more attractive for our users, we will support both platforms. Tokens released on one platform can be exchanged for tokens from another platform in a 1:1 ratio." [Page 33 from the WP]

Not much of a choice if you ask me, but ICO teams right now are probably too afraid to switch 100% to Byteball because of community backlash, can't just ditch Ethereum and get away with it. This will happen more and more as the serious projects start building their applications. They will find out the hard way that Ethereum doesn't scale and won't for a few years. Then you start looking at alternatives but there are almost none. Byteball is the only working platform on which you can actually build your stuff. A lot of projects never actually release anything so they don't have this problem.

The future is bright for Byteball.

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March 31, 2018, 09:37:32 AM
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What does it mean “No active addresses found.” when recovering from the seed?

Is it because the wallet has no bytes or transactions?
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March 31, 2018, 09:43:10 AM
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Byteball allows anybody to upload arbitrary data (like docs, pdf, pictures or whatever) on the dag chain which makes it permanently part of the database stored by all full nodes. Now - what if somebody posts criminal stuff like child porn or something and suddenly all full nodes will store this shit forever? I think we need some safeguards against such abuse. Maybe only real ID verified users should be allowed to upload data? Any ideas or thoughts on this? How to ensure legality without censorship?

frankly, I didn't know about that until saw this. How could I upload and after that download arbitrary data into Byteball DAG? Please, step-by-step.
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March 31, 2018, 10:00:18 AM
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Byteball allows anybody to upload arbitrary data (like docs, pdf, pictures or whatever) on the dag chain which makes it permanently part of the database stored by all full nodes. Now - what if somebody posts criminal stuff like child porn or something and suddenly all full nodes will store this shit forever? I think we need some safeguards against such abuse. Maybe only real ID verified users should be allowed to upload data? Any ideas or thoughts on this? How to ensure legality without censorship?

frankly, I didn't know about that until saw this. How could I upload and after that download arbitrary data into Byteball DAG? Please, step-by-step.
With DAG you sacrifice decentralization  by removing POW and POS. Any Byteball holder can be forced to censorship and responsibility.
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March 31, 2018, 10:18:53 AM
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Byteball allows anybody to upload arbitrary data (like docs, pdf, pictures or whatever) on the dag chain which makes it permanently part of the database stored by all full nodes. Now - what if somebody posts criminal stuff like child porn or something and suddenly all full nodes will store this shit forever? I think we need some safeguards against such abuse. Maybe only real ID verified users should be allowed to upload data? Any ideas or thoughts on this? How to ensure legality without censorship?

frankly, I didn't know about that until saw this. How could I upload and after that download arbitrary data into Byteball DAG? Please, step-by-step.
With DAG you sacrifice decentralization  by removing POW and POS. Any Byteball holder can be forced to censorship and responsibility.


Doesnt this mean that if anybody can be forced to censorship then those that control alot of it could be having advantage over the other? That pretty much mean that it isnt really decentralized isnt it? I kinda hard to analyze it on my own, care to explain it in short instead or is there a  link reference for it?
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