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March 28, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
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I see already the sig bounty is turning into a cluster fuck with legitimate and known BB supporters getting annoyed and seemingly random and unfair treatment by the bounty manager there.

There are many more examples that what I post here ... enough that there is no smoke without fire so i tested it out myself and I find this is not something they are making up. I have never been left out of a sig campaign ever that I applied for.

What's going on with the selection process here?
I'm seeing genuine Byteball fans with a posting history to back this up being left out in favour of bounty hunters who probably couldn't give two shits about Byteball and will dump their Bytes for a few satoshis.
this is a very good point. i also do not find myself on the spreadsheet. hell i even own the byteball web domain in my country and i have been left out with no reason. this is probably an issue that we should take directly with the team because there seems to not be a logical explanation for some of the people left out. hehehe..and i am the first one signing in for the campaign Smiley)))

Seems weird to me too, not that I care much but I have been left out too and I used byteball signature for almost a year (for no reward at all) and I'm invested in byteball since it started. Also the campaign manager's price for doing this is pretty insane - at least back in august it was - when I wanted to do a signature campaign for BB and thought outsourcing is the way to go.. but then I reached out to him and got shocked at the price. For that price he should be able to verify everyone's post, every day and instantly accept those who are BB advocates since its inception. The 25 post / week to me seems excessive but if you think spamming the forum is the best way to spread BB, well kudos then but I really doubt people will have meaningful posts with such absurd minimum requirements.

this is very concerning ... there needs to be legitimate reason to leave out known posters and supporters of byteball.

I notice some strange choices here that I am hoping is down more to taking on too many sig bounty campaigns and not investigating thoroughly enough rather than something more worrying.

I as a byteball holder would rather see these known and trusted people on the sig campaign over those that are not interested and will dump the byteball straight away.

I would like to see well considered reply to these queries here else this will need further investigation on a more wide spread level.

I have heard allegations of bounty managers only listing those who agree to kick backs and other such devious means.

If a person is over looked or left out when they are a known poster and supporter of a project there should be in depth and complete disclosure of why that was. The selection process can not be random nor can in demonstrate any obvious unfairness.

Bounties are a large part now of the minting in some cases so absolute transparency and fairness there is essential not to taint the entire project.

This is a serious matter.

I can only hope that this does not spread into futher tainting of the already shambles  like distribution process.

I hope Tony can investigate personally before this tumbles out on to the main board. I was told about this and tested it myself and was also left out.

Do you not find it curious that legitimate know legend posters are held out whilst shit post spamming obvious noob accounts are permitted.

This does not look like the signature campaign we want by pissing off current BB holders and giving it to noob trash to dump as soon as they get it.

What will be done about this.

At the least a full explanation of why these people were not allowed to take part. Else looks like a scam to me.

No way would a bounty manager hold out legends and known posters over noob trash posting shit over and over unless there was some connection between the bounty manger and these noob accounts.

It looks bad and it is only a matter of time before the main board sees a thread labelled more questionable distribution tactics attached to this project.

There is no room for opinion here there is simply observable events suggesting there is an unfair or yet unexplained strange selection for who can get rewarded for promoting byteball and who can not. This needs further investigation at this early stage before more damage is done here.


I would like to see all those that are know BB community members that have a good post history to be allowed into this campaign if they are not then there needs to be a good reason given. Not the explanation the bounty manger gave which was

To all the bums crying they didn't get in, or accusing me of dumb shit. You can stop anytime. Users were not accepted due to their accounts. If you want in campaigns you need to be an active poster, with fairly constructive posts, and not be a fucking alt account or bought account. Don't come in here crying cause you weren't accepted, fix the damn problem

this is not the professionalism of a serious projects bounty manager and I would expect to see this person either fired at once or start acting more like someone you  want officially associated with this project. These are for sure unfounded allegations and I would expect to see these explained and full apology especially to those who are known members of BB community long term.

I see some serious issues raised here, and I say this without being personally interested in joining the campaign since I am busy with another one. But I think it is not the most clever choice to piss off so many true and proved supporters of byteball. I thought we wanted to enlarge adoption, not to shrink it. Moreover, a 25 required posts per week is again a bad move, it will force people to spam the forum with byteball's signature. More weekly posts usually translates into  lower quality posts.

Exactly and that is not the only issue.

Any unfairness with regard any part of the distribution that is unanswerable or without reasonable justification throws doubt on the entire project.

You can not hire people who are not professional it taints the project.

I wonder if TonyCH will answer this.

am i risking to be kicked out because i write this?
i did not join a signature campaign for a while before this one. why? because i think that it is not worse to have a sig for a random shit-token-ico for some btc dust.
i joined the campaign because i like BB and i think it is justifiable to have this signature.

but i was already warned by the manager to "improve" my posts or i will be kicked out.
and i think this is not a problem only in this campaign. sig campaign developed to a spam-machine.

and my style of posting / participating in this forum does not suit signature campaigns...

of course you can not be kicked out for writing an honest post on this board.

If you are kicked out because of that then it demonstrates that there is a huge issue here with the sig campaign.

I have NEVER seen so many complaints with a sig campaign this early on and most complaints from hero and legendary members.

You all need to realise in this situation someone who has awarded themselves a gold medal sig campaign manger has a lot more to lose by a co-ordinated campaign against his methods than any one of us. All one would have to do is warn new projects using this service the person has been linked to unfair and dubious methods of distribution and they wont touch him with a barge pole.

However I am hoping for his sake such actions will be avoidable and that he will simply reconsider the valid entry of well known bb supporters legends heros etc.

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March 28, 2018, 04:23:33 PM
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I wonder where it was disclosed the amount that yahoo62278 got for running this campaign?

You can find it in the spreadsheet yahoo62278 uses to keep track of the participants and their payments.

PS: Please guys, keep the quoting to a relevant minimum, it just clutters up the thread, and I assume nobody actually reads what has been quoted several times. Thank you.

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March 28, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

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March 28, 2018, 05:23:57 PM
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

could you please tell us how you find the cheaters. if i remember it right you wrote that because telegram needs a phonenumber you found a way to reduce cheating.
is there a way to use telegram with fake phonenumbers? or how did they cheat you?
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March 28, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

could you please tell us how you find the cheaters. if i remember it right you wrote that because telegram needs a phonenumber you found a way to reduce cheating.
is there a way to use telegram with fake phonenumbers? or how did they cheat you?

I see that multiple textcoins are claimed to the same address. 
They probably buy telegram accounts or virtual phone numbers.

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March 28, 2018, 05:36:14 PM
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thank you.
holy shit! they make such an effort just to receive a 5$?
or i am completely uninformed and it is an easy task to get a lot of telegram accounts. this "cryptomoney-world" is really crazy. and it really looks that the only thing that matters is making money.
btw: thank you for the quiz. a learned two new things about bb.
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March 28, 2018, 05:49:29 PM
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Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

$0.35 seems a bit unfair to the late comers :/.

They probably buy telegram accounts or virtual phone numbers.

or i am completely uninformed and it is an easy task to get a lot of telegram accounts.

I know that you can get disposable phone numbers for free on the net.

I see that multiple textcoins are claimed to the same address.  

It's actually almost effortless to create a new address in one's wallet. Interesting to see that people go through the trouble of having multiple Telegram accounts but do not bother with creating multiple addresses. Indeed it will be troublesome to send the bytes address by address to an exchange if they intend to sell them.

Is there a way to detect the IP address of the user and block it once the bot has been used once? It would be an additional layer to discourage the serial test-takers Smiley (not that it can't be worked around).


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March 28, 2018, 06:22:30 PM
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Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.
That more or less ends this giveaway. Isn't there any other way to ensure accounts are real?
I've suggested it before (and I'm not sure if you've seen it): how about an airdrop to existing Bitcointalk user accounts? You risk airdropping on account farmers, but if it's related to Merit received and account Rank, you can exclude many spammers.

thank you.
holy shit! they make such an effort just to receive a 5$?
That's a days salary in some countries. They'll probably make the same effort for $0.35, but the real users won't bother for that amount. And that effectively kills this airdrop method.

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I wonder where it was disclosed the amount that yahoo62278 got for running this campaign?

You can find it in the spreadsheet yahoo62278 uses to keep track of the participants and their payments.

PS: Please guys, keep the quoting to a relevant minimum, it just clutters up the thread, and I assume nobody actually reads what has been quoted several times. Thank you.

Can you direct me to where you see yahoo62278 's personal fee for conducting this sig campaign.

I can't see it.

Paid in BTC or BB?

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March 28, 2018, 08:11:26 PM
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

TonyCH did you miss the posts above detailing valid concerns regarding the bounty campaign managers allocating BB rewards to noobs and low quality posters over known legends that have been supporters of BB for a long time?

Are you investigating these claims??

Will you be firing this bounty manager for unprofessional conduct toward long term BB holders and supporters? not to mention the sloppy way the entire thing is being carried out? I have never seen such a crappy attempt at bounty management. Also i hear he is currently managing several other campaigns... this is making BB look even more of a disaster for confidence than the distributional mess up until this point.

Ignoring glaring issues is not a great way to inspire confidence as I hope you are starting to grasp.

Are you not upset that this self appointed gold medal bounty campaign manager is treating long term BB supporters like this?


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March 28, 2018, 09:21:18 PM
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That's a days salary in some countries. They'll probably make the same effort for $0.35, but the real users won't bother for that amount. And that effectively kills this airdrop method.
Exactly. Tony seriously needs to plan and evaluate any distribution method he releases. You can't exactly keep changing everything ONCE YOU'VE ANNOUNCED IT and expect to be taken seriously. Byteball will be so much better when it is decentralised.

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March 28, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
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thank you.
holy shit! they make such an effort just to receive a 5$?
or i am completely uninformed and it is an easy task to get a lot of telegram accounts. this "cryptomoney-world" is really crazy. and it really looks that the only thing that matters is making money.
btw: thank you for the quiz. a learned two new things about bb.

There are some people poor enough in this world that they get their children to perform naked in front of web cams for less money, just to provide food and essentials for their families. If you live on a dollar a day, what would you do for 5x average daily wage?
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March 28, 2018, 10:48:34 PM
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Is there a way to detect the IP address of the user and block it once the bot has been used once? It would be an additional layer to discourage the serial test-takers Smiley (not that it can't be worked around).

We don't know their IP.  User information provided by telegram is pretty minimal https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#user

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That's a days salary in some countries. They'll probably make the same effort for $0.35, but the real users won't bother for that amount. And that effectively kills this airdrop method.
Exactly. Tony seriously needs to plan and evaluate any distribution method he releases. You can't exactly keep changing everything ONCE YOU'VE ANNOUNCED IT and expect to be taken seriously. Byteball will be so much better when it is decentralised.


Please can we just burn the rest ? The distribution phase needs to end. The thread tells the story, 900 pages about airdrops and how to receive bytes, or in the last fews pages disgruntled sig campaigners bitching about not being selected. What are we going to have, another 900 pages about how to receive free bytes? Its the never ending story. When can we move on and maybe even talk about other things.

Burn them, or one huge airdrop of all the rest to byteholders.

Byteball will have achieved a huge milestone when all the coins are circulating. Lets stop finding ingenious ways to make users be pissed off and dragging this on and on.

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March 28, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
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I've suggested it before (and I'm not sure if you've seen it): how about an airdrop to existing Bitcointalk user accounts? You risk airdropping on account farmers, but if it's related to Merit received and account Rank, you can exclude many spammers.

That would be fine if it could be automated.

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March 28, 2018, 11:28:28 PM
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For transparency, all sig campaign payouts go from this address managed by yahoo
https://explorer.byteball.org/#CTYUXCSE6RFK42FRWOYEK62TSRQ4PQ7R

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March 29, 2018, 12:22:22 AM
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

could you please tell us how you find the cheaters. if i remember it right you wrote that because telegram needs a phonenumber you found a way to reduce cheating.
is there a way to use telegram with fake phonenumbers? or how did they cheat you?

I see that multiple textcoins are claimed to the same address. 
They probably buy telegram accounts or virtual phone numbers.
if you want telegram account they are for sale 1000 for $37 (not need to mention where)and the more you buy the cheaper you ca get them
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March 29, 2018, 12:41:55 AM
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Please can we just burn the rest ? The distribution phase needs to end. The thread tells the story, 900 pages about airdrops and how to receive bytes, or in the last fews pages disgruntled sig campaigners bitching about not being selected. What are we going to have, another 900 pages about how to receive free bytes? Its the never ending story. When can we move on and maybe even talk about other things.

Burn them, or one huge airdrop of all the rest to byteholders.

Byteball will have achieved a huge milestone when all the coins are circulating. Lets stop finding ingenious ways to make users be pissed off and dragging this on and on.



Not likely to happen, but a good suggestion none the less. I did a quick spot check of sig campaign applications to see if there is any substance to the complaints, and indeed I too found some problems. Is it really worth the hassle now?
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Today, we are launching a Telegram bot that allows to pass a small quiz and get a $5.00 worth reward in Bytes.  It is paid from the undistributed funds.

Full story: https://medium.com/byteball/money-for-knowledge-distribution-via-telegram-quiz-bot-2dd400e22997

Telegram bot: @ByteballQuizBot

About 500 users have passed the quiz since launch (despite frequent offs due to bugs, running out of money, running out of daily quota, etc) but I observe some share of fraud too.  It is not very large but concerning.  To reduce the incentive for fraud, the reward will now be reduced to $2.50.

Unfortunately we are getting more cheaters.  Starting now, the reward is further reduced to $0.35.

could you please tell us how you find the cheaters. if i remember it right you wrote that because telegram needs a phonenumber you found a way to reduce cheating.
is there a way to use telegram with fake phonenumbers? or how did they cheat you?

I see that multiple textcoins are claimed to the same address.  
They probably buy telegram accounts or virtual phone numbers.
if you want telegram account they are for sale 1000 for $37 (not need to mention where)and the more you buy the cheaper you ca get them
Doubt that is even legit. Any telegram account logged in from a new location requires the code. Do you think the seller logs into each account to give you that code when you ask? lol no. Scrap the telegram and host it on byteball.org site (the quiz) that way you can add your own security measures @TonyCh

Otherwise - quit worrying about cheaters because there will be somebody always here to try and exploit any system. No matter what kind of distribution technique you use, somebody is going to try and find a way to exploit that and claim more then they are allowed. Obviously they can't with a drop to BTC holders but you've stopped that.

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March 29, 2018, 12:49:03 AM
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tonych, sell rest to byteholders. You could just achieve money fund for further development and marketing.

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