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December 05, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
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This on-going drug war by the government of the Philippines is bound to fail, simply because you can not prevent crime by killing and creating another crime. They should learn what happened to other countries who did launch a war on drugs but miserably fail.

So what is your suggestion? Just keep the old way and just ignore the increasing volume of drugs that manufacturing in the country? The drug addicts are just killed because they are fighting back when they are arresting, And i think the extra judicial killing that happening is not made by the government, it is made by the Boss of that people that been slaughtered so that they will not testify against them. I think the drug war is effective because people in the Philippines gained fear on dealing with drugs. Only people involves on drugs/ their families are against on this drug war. Imagine china and other rich country has a death penalty on drugs abuse so how do you conclude that it will not work for just killing criminal.


How can this drug war be effective if your creating another crime? So how do you address now the hundreds of murderers roaming the street? As you said those EJKs are not by the government, so aren't you bother so many people are dying without justice? How can you know if all those peole are guilty or innocent if they are already dead? My suggestion is for the government to simple just follow the rule of law and stop promoting the killings.
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December 05, 2016, 09:47:43 AM
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Drugged brains sleep. If brains sleep, politic leaders do what they want to do...

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December 05, 2016, 10:00:35 AM
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This on-going drug war by the government of the Philippines is bound to fail, simply because you can not prevent crime by killing and creating another crime. They should learn what happened to other countries who did launch a war on drugs but miserably fail.

That's true. I'm wondering why no one ever wants to learn from the past mistakes? Any war calls for another war and there is no end to this. The only solution is a civilized method to deal with it: do not punish the drug users and find an effective way to explain to others how bad drugs are for them.

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December 05, 2016, 10:01:20 AM
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Drugged brains sleep. If brains sleep, politic leaders do what they want to do...
Forever brains will not sleep. Sooner or later all dictators end up the same. Lately I see that the brains of sleeping in a large number of people in different countries. Even countries such as the United States and Britain are affected by this problem.
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December 05, 2016, 10:38:48 AM
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This on-going drug war by the government of the Philippines is bound to fail, simply because you can not prevent crime by killing and creating another crime. They should learn what happened to other countries who did launch a war on drugs but miserably fail.

That's true. I'm wondering why no one ever wants to learn from the past mistakes? Any war calls for another war and there is no end to this. The only solution is a civilized method to deal with it: do not punish the drug users and find an effective way to explain to others how bad drugs are for them.

I agree 100% with your post. Look at the Mexican drug war. It has been going on for many years now, and despite costing hundreds of billions of USD and more than 100,000 deaths, there is no end in sight. The war has also spread to the neighboring countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador.

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December 05, 2016, 11:19:51 AM
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This on-going drug war by the government of the Philippines is bound to fail, simply because you can not prevent crime by killing and creating another crime. They should learn what happened to other countries who did launch a war on drugs but miserably fail.

That's true. I'm wondering why no one ever wants to learn from the past mistakes? Any war calls for another war and there is no end to this. The only solution is a civilized method to deal with it: do not punish the drug users and find an effective way to explain to others how bad drugs are for them.

That's what I'm arguing with many people who are supporting this kind of policies, it will never be effective and it will just create more criminals, the best thing the government can do here is to educate its people, follow the law and be an example.
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December 05, 2016, 11:26:48 AM
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We all know that our President is doing all what he can to kill this drug addiction problem here in our country because it is the major cause of most incidents or crimes that is happening in our mother country. With the help of Major Bato Dela Rosa, this drug campaign is doing god and most of the drug users and drug lords here in our country has been already caught, hoping that no one ever uses prohibited drugs anymore for the sake of our country and for it's citizens future.
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December 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
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This on-going drug war by the government of the Philippines is bound to fail, simply because you can not prevent crime by killing and creating another crime. They should learn what happened to other countries who did launch a war on drugs but miserably fail.

That's true. I'm wondering why no one ever wants to learn from the past mistakes? Any war calls for another war and there is no end to this. The only solution is a civilized method to deal with it: do not punish the drug users and find an effective way to explain to others how bad drugs are for them.

I agree 100% with your post. Look at the Mexican drug war. It has been going on for many years now, and despite costing hundreds of billions of USD and more than 100,000 deaths, there is no end in sight. The war has also spread to the neighboring countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador.

Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.
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December 05, 2016, 11:33:25 AM
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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.

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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.
Legal drugs can only be light. It can be assumed with a strict control of the state. Otherwise simply can not be.
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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.
Legal drugs can only be light. It can be assumed with a strict control of the state. Otherwise simply can not be.

There is no need to legalize the hard drugs. If soft-drugs such as cannabis and peyote are legalized, then no one will seek hard drugs such as heroin and meth. The soft-drug trade can be nationalized, and this will bring additional revenues for the state.

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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.
Legal drugs can only be light. It can be assumed with a strict control of the state. Otherwise simply can not be.

There is no need to legalize the hard drugs. If soft-drugs such as cannabis and peyote are legalized, then no one will seek hard drugs such as heroin and meth. The soft-drug trade can be nationalized, and this will bring additional revenues for the state.

But Portugal legalized the use of heroin and the results were positive meaning the number of heroin users dropped substantially plus HIV infection was also indirectly addressed because the procedure was done in a government sanctioned clinics and the heroin user is monitored by doctors during the whole session to avoid being overdose and syringes to be contaminated.
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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.
Legal drugs can only be light. It can be assumed with a strict control of the state. Otherwise simply can not be.

There is no need to legalize the hard drugs. If soft-drugs such as cannabis and peyote are legalized, then no one will seek hard drugs such as heroin and meth. The soft-drug trade can be nationalized, and this will bring additional revenues for the state.

But Portugal legalized the use of heroin and the results were positive meaning the number of heroin users dropped substantially plus HIV infection was also indirectly addressed because the procedure was done in a government sanctioned clinics and the heroin user is monitored by doctors during the whole session to avoid being overdose and syringes to be contaminated.

That's right. But at the same time, unlike the soft-drugs, heroin causes severe damage to the health. I don't understand why Portugal allowed drug users to inject heroin, when its orally administered substitute (methadone) is widely available. If someone want to take heroin, then it is his choice. But the government must educate him about the harmful side-effects.

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In Holland for example is very active use of drugs and nothing for the people it is not. Liberal laws. Of course, not everything is permitted, but nevertheless it is a fact.
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Indeed and compare it to Portugal which decriminalized drugs, and the results were surprising, because drug usage in fact falls dramatically when it's legal. It seems humans really have a crave for something illegal.

If the drugs are legalized, then the scope for the drug cartels evaporate. Actually, it is the drug cartels which encourage or force young people to use hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine. Without their presence, the usage is going to decline.
Legal drugs can only be light. It can be assumed with a strict control of the state. Otherwise simply can not be.

There is no need to legalize the hard drugs. If soft-drugs such as cannabis and peyote are legalized, then no one will seek hard drugs such as heroin and meth. The soft-drug trade can be nationalized, and this will bring additional revenues for the state.

But Portugal legalized the use of heroin and the results were positive meaning the number of heroin users dropped substantially plus HIV infection was also indirectly addressed because the procedure was done in a government sanctioned clinics and the heroin user is monitored by doctors during the whole session to avoid being overdose and syringes to be contaminated.

That's right. But at the same time, unlike the soft-drugs, heroin causes severe damage to the health. I don't understand why Portugal allowed drug users to inject heroin, when its orally administered substitute (methadone) is widely available. If someone want to take heroin, then it is his choice. But the government must educate him about the harmful side-effects.
If allowed everywhere weapons and drugs, then the world will come to an end. Clearly the world is very dangerous for a normal person.
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We all know that our President is doing all what he can to kill this drug addiction problem here in our country because it is the major cause of most incidents or crimes that is happening in our mother country. With the help of Major Bato Dela Rosa, this drug campaign is doing god and most of the drug users and drug lords here in our country has been already caught, hoping that no one ever uses prohibited drugs anymore for the sake of our country and for it's citizens future.
why would they catch drug users too,if drugs is illegal in your country then we can understand when drug lords are arrested for the crimes and one more thing is who is prohibiting these drugs,if i want to have something for my pleasure i must have the freedom to do so if i am not creating any public nuisance.
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We all know that our President is doing all what he can to kill this drug addiction problem here in our country because it is the major cause of most incidents or crimes that is happening in our mother country. With the help of Major Bato Dela Rosa, this drug campaign is doing god and most of the drug users and drug lords here in our country has been already caught, hoping that no one ever uses prohibited drugs anymore for the sake of our country and for it's citizens future.

Well prohibited drugs will not cease away and the Philippines is far from being called a drug free country. Even with hard efforts from policemen, community and government sector drugs will not be killed because addiction will not stop if addicts are still alive. But the thing we can hope for is if not eradicated it will be lessened and that is the reality today drug addicts and trafficking have been lessened with the new Presidents efforts.
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If allowed everywhere weapons and drugs, then the world will come to an end. Clearly the world is very dangerous for a normal person.

There is nothing in common between drugs and weapons. Also, the world has not come to an end in Portugal and Uruguay, despite the legalization of drugs. On the other hand, the incidence of violence is the most in those countries where even soft-drugs are illegal.

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If allowed everywhere weapons and drugs, then the world will come to an end. Clearly the world is very dangerous for a normal person.

There is nothing in common between drugs and weapons. Also, the world has not come to an end in Portugal and Uruguay, despite the legalization of drugs. On the other hand, the incidence of violence is the most in those countries where even soft-drugs are illegal.
That's not true. Where there is drugs there is always crime and chaos. Any drug is addictive. What little alcohol addicted people? You acknowledge add to them and drug addicts? No, I am against legalization of any drugs.
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Drug free in the Philippines i think will be totally difficult to do because even when the government try to eradicate it 100%but it tune out to be like 80% because most group of people are already get their self use to drugs so we see that when the government is trying to stop it drugs some people are thinking of how to their self drug up.
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