LazyOtto
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August 20, 2012, 02:58:30 PM |
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I'm ok with diff10. I'm not. You might want to do a histogram of "> 10 GH/s", "1 to 10 GH/s", "< 1 GH/s" of your users and see how that falls out. I am, of course, prepared to be left in the dust as a "< 1 GH/s" guy. Just give me a heads up please.
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Lethos
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August 20, 2012, 03:33:43 PM |
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It should be an option. I'd understand if you went diff10 almost exclusively once ASIC units start mining, though.
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wogaut
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August 20, 2012, 03:41:08 PM |
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It should be an option. I'd understand if you went diff10 almost exclusively once ASIC units start mining, though.
Yes, and as I understand it, that's why Inaba has a diff10 IP and the other addresses mining at diff1. Apart from some intricacies with payout, this seems a workable solution to me.
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cyberlync
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August 20, 2012, 07:21:56 PM |
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Now let me ask this:
What do you guys think about doing away with difficulty 1 shares entirely and moving to difficulty 10 across the board? How many people would that impact ultimately?
~2.1GH/s on GPU's. Would probably get affected.
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Inaba (OP)
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August 20, 2012, 07:27:35 PM |
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My intention is to have a dynamic difficulty, so no matter what speed you are at, you can get the difficulty that best suits your speed. Once the DGM math is worked out, the system is ready to go for it... hopefully Meni can shed some light on why DGM is not behaving properly when faced with p = d/D instead of p = 1/D .
To be more specific, p = (1 / D) * 10 != equivalent to p = 10 / D after running through the DGM score formula. While the values may differ slightly, over time, the values for 10/D creep so high that the payout become affected dramatically. For example, if I left a mini-rig running on 10diff, my payout increases far beyond what it should be. This is, of course, a very bad thing. However, if everyone is running 10diff, then the problem goes away, so it's not a fundamental problem with the DGM code, but something to do with mixing the share difficulties.
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Lethos
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August 20, 2012, 08:07:12 PM |
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At what sort of hashrate do you think Diff10 becomes useful. As someone is does around 1.4-1.6Gh/s I'm not sure I quiet fill that yet? or do I?
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stoppots
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August 20, 2012, 09:10:55 PM Last edit: August 21, 2012, 12:22:04 AM by stoppots |
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Wat shall the subject topic be updated to with the increase in speed?
That other pool has updated its speed. Felt this was a shot at you
- Pool does not rely on an individual, in case of accident/illness/other mishap there will always be competent people with sufficient access to continue the running of the pool.
Are the proxy pools mentioned a concern and more or less the reason for needing the difficulty 10 shares?
Edited cause I felt like it...
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August 20, 2012, 09:21:35 PM Last edit: August 21, 2012, 12:30:22 AM by Transisto |
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Every GPU has it's own miner instance, I don't see how different hash-rate would be affected so differently by 10diff shares.
Most miners are thus between 250/700 mhs (5770 to 7970)
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Look ARROUND!
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August 20, 2012, 10:54:00 PM |
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Can you look into the SMS notifications? they haven't been working for over a day now
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August 20, 2012, 11:00:42 PM |
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Hmm.. on first glance yes, I bullet point two looks like a shot at me. I'd like to give Graet the benefit of the doubt though, he is a good guy.
I'll update the speed here after this post.
Proxy pools are not a concern to EMC, we can handle the load and I will deploy a dedicated server to a large proxy pool if they want, I have no problem with that if it ever becomes an issue. Maybe I should contact them in advance anyway, let me give that some thought.
But I do want to point out one of the reasons I can offer a zero fee pool is that I don't have to pay others for their time, so EMC can remain free. So yeah, there is 24/7 support with more than one person, but people will only work for free for so long I imagine. Not the case here at the moment.
As for the SMS messages - yeah they are broken at the moment. I am working with my SMS provider to get it working again, not sure why they haven't gotten back to me yet. I have a couple other solutions up my sleeve, some of them not quite as happy as I would like, but we'll see what happens. I should have something back up and running soon.
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stoppots
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August 21, 2012, 12:37:59 AM |
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To be honest, even if three individuals were online operating that pool all at the same time, miners still couldn't get the service/offerings/assistance/transparency that a single operator makes possible at EMC.
Not to mention he is also an employee of the industries most controversial technology leader. Who is attempting to breakout with products that offer unbelievable speeds at unimaginable prices.
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August 21, 2012, 12:39:15 AM |
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Hmm.. on first glance yes, I bullet point two looks like a shot at me. I'd like to give Graet the benefit of the doubt though, he is a good guy.
I'll update the speed here after this post.
Proxy pools are not a concern to EMC, we can handle the load and I will deploy a dedicated server to a large proxy pool if they want, I have no problem with that if it ever becomes an issue. Maybe I should contact them in advance anyway, let me give that some thought.
But I do want to point out one of the reasons I can offer a zero fee pool is that I don't have to pay others for their time, so EMC can remain free. So yeah, there is 24/7 support with more than one person, but people will only work for free for so long I imagine. Not the case here at the moment.
As for the SMS messages - yeah they are broken at the moment. I am working with my SMS provider to get it working again, not sure why they haven't gotten back to me yet. I have a couple other solutions up my sleeve, some of them not quite as happy as I would like, but we'll see what happens. I should have something back up and running soon.
shot at no-one in particular, just stating a fact, most pools rely on one person. I'm sure Inaba has stuff in place so his pool could continue in the case of an unscheduled prolonged absence by the operator, I am equally sure not all pools do listing features of my pool in its thread should not be taken as an attack on any other pool or operator, thanks for taking the time to read though Graet
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LazyOtto
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August 21, 2012, 03:21:43 AM |
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I did not receive an email for an auto-payout event today.
Perhaps related to the known/ongoing SMS problem?
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stoppots
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August 21, 2012, 04:41:58 AM |
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Hmm.. on first glance yes, I bullet point two looks like a shot at me. I'd like to give Graet the benefit of the doubt though, he is a good guy.
I'll update the speed here after this post.
Proxy pools are not a concern to EMC, we can handle the load and I will deploy a dedicated server to a large proxy pool if they want, I have no problem with that if it ever becomes an issue. Maybe I should contact them in advance anyway, let me give that some thought.
But I do want to point out one of the reasons I can offer a zero fee pool is that I don't have to pay others for their time, so EMC can remain free. So yeah, there is 24/7 support with more than one person, but people will only work for free for so long I imagine. Not the case here at the moment.
As for the SMS messages - yeah they are broken at the moment. I am working with my SMS provider to get it working again, not sure why they haven't gotten back to me yet. I have a couple other solutions up my sleeve, some of them not quite as happy as I would like, but we'll see what happens. I should have something back up and running soon.
shot at no-one in particular, just stating a fact, most pools rely on one person. I'm sure Inaba has stuff in place so his pool could continue in the case of an unscheduled prolonged absence by the operator, I am equally sure not all pools do listing features of my pool in its thread should not be taken as an attack on any other pool or operator, thanks for taking the time to read though Graet Attack was never a thought. Recently been mining on ozcoin so I had been observing both and comparing. Seeing similarities as well as differences. Of course the hashrates being so close along with DGM/PPS automatically sets them in a group of their own. So this made it very easy for me to think of Inaba when reading your post. Hope no offence was taken as none was meant.
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dave3
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August 21, 2012, 04:51:34 AM |
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I did not receive an email for an auto-payout event today.
Perhaps related to the known/ongoing SMS problem?
I've been mining on EMC for awhile now, and I get emails when a block is solved, but I've never gotten an email after payouts, either automatic or manual (even though it's set to send them). I just figured it was broken, but maybe there's more to it.
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LazyOtto
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August 21, 2012, 05:56:07 AM |
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Inaba, nice touch showing the GH/s for the US1,2,3 servers. ty
Allows us to do a little user driven load balancing by knowing that.
I'm sending my dinky MH/s split/failover to US1 and US2 atm.
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August 21, 2012, 05:56:58 AM Last edit: August 21, 2012, 06:23:05 AM by Inaba |
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It should be sending them. I am going to be rewriting the alert system from scratch shortly.
Some of you will have noticed a new option "SMS Credits." I'm afraid that my SMS provider has raised prices and I can no longer afford to subsidize the SMS messages, and the SMS traffic is through the roof for the month of August (up 500%) not sure why exactly as of yet. But in any case, I've instituted the credit system.
You can purchase 100, 500 or 1000 SMS credits. 1 credit = 1 SMS message... I hope this will cut down on people using SMS wantonly... I know a good number of people have SMS set and then block/trash the SMS upon receipt without reading it, which is fine... but with the volume that is going out now, I can't afford to continue to pay for it 100% out of my pocket. SMSs are very cheap, around .002 BTC (Yes 1/500th of a BTC), so it's not going to break anyones pocket books or anything, I hope.
The credit system isn't live yet, although you can purchase credits now. I will be re-enabling the SMS messages tomorrow, after I've had more time to go over the code. But as I said, I plan on rewriting everything from scratch soon, but I think I have everything covered now. I have to contact my SMS provider to allow the messages to go out again, which won't happen until tomorrow, so SMSs are still down until then.
I'll be happy to answer any questions.
PS -
You may also notice the new My Account page header, with the new Quick Stats box and the server loads displayed. I will be rolling that out to the rest of the pages as soon as I get a chance.
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Askit2
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August 21, 2012, 06:53:28 AM |
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I am not sure if this is an option but other pools that do SMS require some % donation to allow the SMS messages to be free. I understand you not wanting to pay it out of your pocket. I am tempted to use the credits I paid but no more as unless the pool hashrate drops it will eat a lot of my earnings. I hadn't realized how low my pay per block dropped until after I purchased some credits. The numbers where worse then the last SMS I recieved. As is I would pay more then 10% of my earnings to get to read my hashrate for the block (really like that stat), Shares, totals and what I made off of it. I really liked the feature. For 10% of my earnings I really don't like it that much. Assuming this is what you paid for the messages I can see why you don't want to keep paying. I am not unhappy that the pool has grown. It is a great pool. Thanks for the hard work.
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stoppots
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August 21, 2012, 08:11:58 AM |
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Inaba, nice touch showing the GH/s for the US1,2,3 servers. ty
Allows us to do a little user driven load balancing by knowing that.
I'm sending my dinky MH/s split/failover to US1 and US2 atm.
Any way those stats can show on the block stats page and also the my workers page?
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LazyOtto
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August 21, 2012, 09:24:32 AM |
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Any way those stats can show on the block stats page and also the my workers page?
Sounds to me like you're asking for a lot there fella. However, top post on the page where you posted: "... the server loads displayed. I will be rolling that out to the rest of the pages as soon as I get a chance."
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