Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[The Avenger]

For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics delete more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
Activity: 62
Position: Full Member
Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)

Nice detective work Augusto! He's probably getting into some scam business endeavour, so he is clearing out his expletive ridden back catalogue so he can appear professional.

[sickpig]

For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics deleted more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
Activity: 62
Position: Full Member
Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)

clever !

I owe you a beer, I spent all afternoon wondering who deleted all those posts. 

[soy]

Who still believes that a company that gets chips (done in the fab) less than 2 week before the complete working units should be in customers' hands, can deliver the promise?

Even NVIDIA or Intel couldn't do that!

To be fair, what nVidia and intel produce is infinitely more complicated than a bitcoin asic. I too have my reservations about all those promised deadlines, but comparisons to GPUs and CPu's are simply not valid.

Well, true that but KNC has never tested that specific ASIC - they don't know about the real chip, only simulations.

Sometimes you breadboard a circuit and it works right the first time.  Sometimes no.  I believe they'll be happy with their ASIC's performance in situ.

My mistake, should have used the term in natura not in situ.

[-Redacted-]

And I'm going to take the suggestion of that bright yellow ignore button on icebreaker...

[soy]

Do you seriously think they would have "shipped" (or imported, really) their n°1 salesman for a no-show?

They purposefully withold information, make it slightly vague (or slightly misrepresent it) etc. to create D.R.A.M.A. = free marketing. (that or they're just lame)

To be a salesperson I would have to have to have told or coerced someone to buy something.

I never have.

I have only ever reasoned arguments with valid research and told people to follow through with their own to confirm for themselves. There is nothing underhand there, and there never has been.

Encouraging people to be responsible, perform due diligence, and stay safe with pre-order sales online is common sense.

And for the record yet again, i'm buying my own ticket, as I said I would come for a pick-up in the first place, although this time I'm going to ask them to cover it if they will, especially if I need to stay overnight in a hotel. Stockholm's not cheap and I never agreed to do that.

If there's something worth videoing i'll do my best to insist they allow that, as nothing puts minds at rest more. Whatever happens warts and all, i'll be honest with my account, but this time round there should be a lot more to actually show in moving images than written word.

Peace.

Damn, I thought you might be on a plane to Abbaland now. Have they asked you to go by any specific time yet? I ask because apparently China's having a launch party with a working rig on the 29th in Shanghai...and China is half a day ahead of us giving them a day and a half to get it there? Surely they aren't releasing them there 1st?

I appreciate your reports and time spent passing on information to us too, it was extra info that was useful to a lot of us.
Good luck with the tottie.

I was thinking they could indeed launch there first, since they are manufactured there; or am I crazy?

If manufactured and shipped from China would we see a higher probability of customs/homeland delay than if shipped from Sweden?

[The Avenger]

Ooh, looks like I could be right:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301806.0

[rizzman]

For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics delete more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
Activity: 62
Position: Full Member
Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)

Nice detective work Augusto! He's probably getting into some scam business endeavour, so he is clearing out his expletive ridden back catalogue so he can appear professional.

IDK, but from what I recall, he was heavily invested into Terrahash. Don't know what method he used for paying but anything other than CC and he might be taking a big hit. Feel bad for him.

[The Avenger]

IDK, but from what I recall, he was heavily invested into Terrahash. Don't know what method he used for paying but anything other than CC and he might be taking a big hit. Feel bad for him.

He was one of very few people on my ignore list, for acting like a dick. He has 11 jupiters on order, so I think he has plenty of cash to splash. The fact he deleted 1000's of posts suggests he is a crook covering his tracks. Happy for him to reply here and set me straight though.

[soy]

Do you seriously think they would have "shipped" (or imported, really) their n°1 salesman for a no-show?

They purposefully withold information, make it slightly vague (or slightly misrepresent it) etc. to create D.R.A.M.A. = free marketing. (that or they're just lame)

To be a salesperson I would have to have to have told or coerced someone to buy something.

I never have.

I have only ever reasoned arguments with valid research and told people to follow through with their own to confirm for themselves. There is nothing underhand there, and there never has been.

Encouraging people to be responsible, perform due diligence, and stay safe with pre-order sales online is common sense.

And for the record yet again, i'm buying my own ticket, as I said I would come for a pick-up in the first place, although this time I'm going to ask them to cover it if they will, especially if I need to stay overnight in a hotel. Stockholm's not cheap and I never agreed to do that.

If there's something worth videoing i'll do my best to insist they allow that, as nothing puts minds at rest more. Whatever happens warts and all, i'll be honest with my account, but this time round there should be a lot more to actually show in moving images than written word.

Peace.

Damn, I thought you might be on a plane to Abbaland now. Have they asked you to go by any specific time yet? I ask because apparently China's having a launch party with a working rig on the 29th in Shanghai...and China is half a day ahead of us giving them a day and a half to get it there? Surely they aren't releasing them there 1st?

I appreciate your reports and time spent passing on information to us too, it was extra info that was useful to a lot of us.
Good luck with the tottie.

No mate, cannot drop everything on request, for starters I had a dentist appointment, which in all honesty I would rather not have had. I'm typing with half my face tingling as the numbness fades and I can feel the sites of four injections. In any case i'm aiming for Sat, with no return booked just yet. My gut says Mon, as I cannot see anyone (courier) delivering over the weekend unless they already have devices to hand, which is why I was asking for day one pick-up guys that are in easy reach of Stockholm to get in touch with Sam. If that bitbet is going to be won it'd be a crying shame for the kit to be available, but not picked up, even last minute. In any case I won't have a clue until I see what's up. I've been told it's brass monkeys there though.

I heartell dentistry, e.g. crowns, are so much better priced with quality work if one travels to Asia for the work.  So much so that for multiple crowns it pays for the flight.

[Micky25]

Though I still believe in them (man, do I really have to type this words again?), the procedure runs as defined in the ASIC-manufacturers field manual.

We are now at chapter 5: "Put all orders "in production" to close the refund backdoor."

Next will be chapter 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors", chapter 7 "Launch the cool Chip-Gen. 2/3/4 or 150% more hashrate upgrade-offer" and finally chapter 8 "Final Refund -20/-50%: Custom made good!"

I hope not.

[plasmoske]

I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer

[The Avenger]

I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer

But did you do it a few hours after TerraHash closed their doors and obviously quite a few people think they lost money because of him if you look at the link to the poll I posted a while back?

[augustocroppo]

If you are interested in the details which lead Bargraphics to erase his post, start reading from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.msg3235587#msg3235587

By the way, this is a PM from Bargraphics sent to atomicchaos to justify why he deleted the posts:

Thanks for the "Corrupt Cheerleader Eliminator" badge! Much appreciated, my friend. You didn't think deleting your posts would make them disappear, did you?

What do you mean?

I bought this account today.

Yeah, right...

 

[The Avenger]

If you are interested in the details which lead Bargraphics to erase his post, start reading from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.msg3235587#msg3235587

By the way, this is a PM from Bargraphics sent to atomicchaos to justify why he deleted the posts:

Thanks for the "Corrupt Cheerleader Eliminator" badge! Much appreciated, my friend. You didn't think deleting your posts would make them disappear, did you?

What do you mean?

I bought this account today.

Yeah, right...

 

So someone posts 5 of his very incriminating posts and then a few hours later 1000's of his posts disappear.

Not suspicious at all, seem's legit 

[rizzman]

Though I still believe in them (man, do I really have to type this words again?), the procedure runs as defined in the ASIC-manufacturers field manual.

We are now at chapter 5: "Put all orders "in production" to close the refund backdoor."

Next will be chapter 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors", chapter 7 "Launch the cool Chip-Gen. 2/3/4 or 150% more hashrate upgrade-offer" and finally chapter 8 "Final Refund -20/-50%: Custom made good!"

I hope not.

Then assuming you paid with CC, then you call up your Card company, Tell them goods never shipped, and start a chargeback. Wait for the money to be returned. Its that simple.

[robix]

The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.

[erschiessen]

For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics deleted more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
Activity: 62
Position: Full Member
Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0)

Ahhh, he must have sold his account.

[tolip_wen]

My calendar must be wrong, It says it's still the 26th, and that there are 4 more days left in September. Huh.

Correct, they could still 'deliver' this month.

I think there have been valid concerns voiced in this thread lately.
Yes there are the obvious BS trolls, par for course.

It comes down to what can be viewed as KnC moving the goalposts.

Let us review the facts we have:

KnC
on: June 26, 2013, 02:14:10 PM
"I would like to say that EVERYTHING that needs to be done at this point in time for a September delivery has indeed been done.
We are on track for delivery and we know of nothing currently to the contrary."

this becomes

KnC
on: July 30, 2013, 01:41:06 PM
"We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September."

'delivery' becomes 'shipping'

Sam/KnC
on: May 30
"We see no reason why it cant work like that, the only addition I will add is that the refund will be 100% with the order cancelled, We wont be offering a discount/refund and still shipping you the boxes. Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.

Above all else we will be fair.
Sam "

Today this becomes

KnC
"Therefore, any changes of orders cannot be accepted."

It is speculated that this includes changes of the refund variety.

Today at 01:39:25 PM
Kaliecious starts a thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=302032.msg3239687#msg3239687

"KNC miner is refusing refunds who needs to be contacted to inform they are not adhearing to the laws of it hasn't shipped they need to give a refund?"

Kaliecious is asked to provide evidence and posts this pic.



I have not personally recieved confirmation from KnC that this is a fact.
(I have emailed asking for confirmation)
If the thread and pic are a troll it is a clever one and perfectly timed.
There was a well timed malicious troll (since edited from thread I think)

While this is being discussed over 150 posts vanish from the thread.
Coinkydink? Could be!

I understand and share some customers concern that similar behavior observed in other vendors has not ended well for customers or schedules.

I think it unlikely that all who ordered day 1 & 2 based on originaly stated 'delivery' in September will recieve units in September. It is possible, it is only the 26th.

The conditions of 'the bet' are not the conditions pre-orders were solicited under.

People who ordered after the day 1 & 2 ALSO did so based on the original terms.
That includes refunds up to day before shipping.
KnC stated the original terms.
KnC took the risk and stood to reap the rewards.

If I have misstated any facts let me know and I will edit and explain my edits as I always do.
If I am flat out wrong I will eat my crow when it is served.

For the record I have not decided that I _DO_ want a refund.
I do expect that option to remain until shipping as per the origional terms of the agreement.

YMMV

[Beta-coiner1]

I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer

*Looks at avatar*  *confused*


On another note,since the rise in difficulty I don't think it will be profitable at all.I think we might actually start to see Petahash devices by next year....if this keeps going.

The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.

*I chuckled*

[Mota]

I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer

*Looks at avatar*  *confused*


On another note,since the rise in difficulty I don't think it will be profitable at all.I think we might actually start to see Petahash devices by next year....if this keeps going.

The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.

*I chuckled*

So... now there are even calculations with 97% increase per month? care to explain how that will play out in 5 months? 4.4 Billion in February