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January 19, 2018, 12:19:48 PM

And there's more to crypto than just Bitcoin, which renders your argument regarding China entirely redundant.

There's only one thing you need to understand about bitcoin.  Everyone on this forum is nothing more than a random slob who has purchased a lottery ticket hoping to participate in a get rich quick scheme.  Where the rubber hits the road is when you have people who have worked on some Foxconn assembly line their whole lives and have to choose how to store their life savings.  For anyone not trying to participate in a get rich quick scheme, they view this stuff as nothing more than sketchy, worthless fiat 2.0.

Unlike the economically illiterate west, the Chinese aren't idiots about money.  Yea, they like to gamble, but they're not going to store their life savings in imaginary dogecoins.  Most of the people posting here are delusional gamblers, or conmen trying to trick fixed-income retirees into buying their latest pump and dump scam.  Like most pump and dumps, they will trick a few people and rob them blind, but the majority of people left holding the bag will be the gamblers themselves.

No, cryptocurrency is not some paradigm shift.  They're all designed to centralize, so every single thing in this entire sector is nothing more than a permissioned ledger, federated chain in the end, like Ripple already is now.  And they can't scale, except when fully converted to federated chains anyway.  It doesn't matter how much hand waving and bullshit you bugmen try to fabricate, there is no type of monetary instrument on this planet that removes middlemen and counter party risk besides physical, commodity based money like silver or gold (or physically carrying around lumber or oil if you want to go that route, but nobody does, so metals always win Exter's Pyramid in the end).
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January 19, 2018, 12:23:46 PM

God, I'd love to know how roach's brain is working so efficiently at neglecting any information that is not in compliance with his views and believes. It's astounding.

Just like with computers, it's possible to install anti-reality filters in people's brains so they only see what they want to see and anything else gets filtered out. Any time a conflicting thought comes in, it's blocked and redirected to porn or something.

The real fun comes when you start hacking with a person's microcode. Then you can change who they are.......
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January 19, 2018, 12:26:07 PM

Regulation.Here we go.Exactly as planned.

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So just drop it and go back to being a wage slave in the Matrix? OK thanks for the advice.

God, I'd love to know how roach's brain is working so efficiently at neglecting any information that is not in compliance with his views and believes. It's astounding.

Just like with computers, it's possible to install anti-reality filters in people's brains so they only see what they want to see and anything else gets filtered out. Any time a conflicting thought comes in, it's blocked and redirected to porn or something.

The real fun comes when you start hacking with a person's microcode. Then you can change who they are.......

Because beliefs affect identity but its at a different logical level. So cant change the belief because "then who am I anymore?"


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January 19, 2018, 12:33:05 PM

Just like with computers, it's possible to install anti-reality filters

You just described yourself.  Anyone not freebasing crack knows this forum is a circle jerk consisting 99% of the quote below.  The fact that over half of them speak broken, Hindu-English makes it even more comical:

Everyone on this forum is nothing more than a random slob who has purchased a lottery ticket hoping to participate in a get rich quick scheme.
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January 19, 2018, 12:37:12 PM

You guys must be really bored since your engaging our resident town fool. I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

Don't feed the troll.
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January 19, 2018, 12:50:18 PM

that's exactly how i present crypto to people, as a lottery with benefits. Nothing more, nothing retardly idealistic, just plain stupid speculation.
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January 19, 2018, 12:50:45 PM

You guys must be really bored since your engaging our resident town fool. I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

Don't feed the troll.
Bound to happen, we only speak broken Hindu English after all, so it's easy to get lost in all of the big words.
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You guys must be really bored since your engaging our resident town fool. I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

Don't feed the troll.
Was just coming here to pontificate on that. Cause I'm, like, REALLY bored. Anyone else? And also wtf? A lot of us have our net value fluctuate by more almost daily than most people make in a year, and the only reaction is... boredom?
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January 19, 2018, 12:52:42 PM

that's exactly how i present crypto to people, as a lottery with benefits. Nothing more, nothing retardly idealistic, just plain stupid speculation.
Except we know it's far more than that. Why not be honest?
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January 19, 2018, 12:54:45 PM

Because beliefs affect identity but its at a different logical level. So cant change the belief because "then who am I anymore?"
Oh when you fiddle with the underlying microcode in someone's brain that "who I am anymore" is an entry point for a whole new personality operating system. One you get to control, and one that can have all sorts of subtle back-doors for future ideas to be planted.....

Very complicated very quickly. For extra-fun points write a meme that scans for certain backdoors installed in people, then come up with ways to exploit those.......
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January 19, 2018, 01:00:37 PM

that's exactly how i present crypto to people, as a lottery with benefits. Nothing more, nothing retardly idealistic, just plain stupid speculation.

But it's a lot more promising than those rigged traditional lotteries, that's for sure.
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January 19, 2018, 01:03:11 PM

that's exactly how i present crypto to people, as a lottery with benefits. Nothing more, nothing retardly idealistic, just plain stupid speculation.

But it's a lot more promising than those rigged traditional lotteries, that's for sure.

Hence the benefits. Paint jobs are indeed very predictable at times.

that's exactly how i present crypto to people, as a lottery with benefits. Nothing more, nothing retardly idealistic, just plain stupid speculation.
Except we know it's far more than that. Why not be honest?

Ok you got me. It's a greater fool and whale riding contest.
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January 19, 2018, 01:10:56 PM

You guys must be really bored since your engaging our resident town fool. I've been guilty of that myself from time to time.

Don't feed the troll.
Was just coming here to pontificate on that. Cause I'm, like, REALLY bored. Anyone else? And also wtf? A lot of us have our net value fluctuate by more almost daily than most people make in a year, and the only reaction is... boredom?
It's interesting how quickly those fluctuations turned irrelevant. Makes me question how people get emotional when trading. Guess having a plan takes off the edge?
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January 19, 2018, 01:21:43 PM

Maxwell resigned from Blockstream in November:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2018-January/015586.html

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In order to spend more time working independently on deep protocol
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Bitcoin, I resigned from Blockstream last November. It took until the
end of December to wind down my involvement there.

Here's the whole post, bullish IMHO:

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Previous message: [bitcoin-dev] Suggestion to remove word from BIP39 English   wordlist
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Not really all that on-topic, but since it was suggested to me that
this would be an efficient venue to reach others who might care to
know:

In order to spend more time working independently on deep protocol
work, especially new cryptographic privacy and security technology for
Bitcoin, I resigned from Blockstream last November. It took until the
end of December to wind down my involvement there.

Back when we founded the company I was concerned that there was
significant underinvestment in Bitcoin technology: Bitcoin had a
healthy technical community just as it does today, but lacked the kind
of industry support that projects like Linux have. Without sustained
financial support, some kinds of bigger projects seemed really hard to
pull off with developers needing to share time between non-bitcoin
employment, their families, and their other interests. For the most
part, back then early Bitcoin companies weren't investing in public
technology, at least not effectively.

We hoped that Blockstream could help act as an anchor of support for
technology development, and in doing so help grow the community. I
think that has been a big success. The Bitcoin industry has matured a
lot and today Bitcoin Core gets significant regular contributions from
many organizations (including Chaincode, DCI, Blockstream, Coinbase,
Bitmain, Blockchain, and probably others that I am forgetting or not
even aware of) and a volunteer community much larger and more active
than it has ever been before.  From what I've been told Blockstream
plans to continue to contribute to awesome technology in Bitcoin--as
demonstrated by their Lightning webstore this week--but if they
didn't, that wouldn't be a problem for Bitcoin.

So for me this means that I can go back to working on the things I
find most exciting ... without the overhead of managing staff or
dealing with the many non-Bitcoin blockchain applications which are
important to Blockstream's business. The maturing Bitcoin industry
means I don't need to worry that Bitcoin development could be left
with inadequate financial support.

I'm very excited about all the new and interesting technology that is
coming to production--Bulletproofs / CT, signature aggregation,
improved propagation and synchronization--as well as the continuing
maturation of Bitcoin as a viable subject matter for academic
researchers. I'll be spending more time helping with these and other
things, and will no longer have insight into Blockstream's activities
or a Blockstream email address (I can continue to be reached at my
xiph.org and gmail email addresses as I've used here in the past), but
otherwise this shouldn't change anything for anyone here.


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Was just coming here to pontificate on that. Cause I'm, like, REALLY bored. Anyone else? And also wtf? A lot of us have our net value fluctuate by more almost daily than most people make in a year, and the only reaction is... boredom?

I came to the conclusion a while back that you have to feel that way to become truly wealthy in this life. You have to become comfortable with that feeling. It's what the rich must feel every single day. The poor and the middle class can't handle that kind of volatility, that much fluctuation in their paper wealth. So they cash out at the first sign of a small profit, or the first sign of a dip. Which is exactly what the establishment want them to do.
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January 19, 2018, 01:26:35 PM

Was just coming here to pontificate on that. Cause I'm, like, REALLY bored. Anyone else? And also wtf? A lot of us have our net value fluctuate by more almost daily than most people make in a year, and the only reaction is... boredom?

I came to the conclusion a while back that you have to feel that way to become truly wealthy in this life. You have to become comfortable with that feeling. It's what the rich must feel every single day. The poor and the middle class can't handle that kind of volatility, that much fluctuation in their paper wealth. So they cash out at the first sign of a small profit, or the first sign of a dip. Which is exactly what the establishment want them to do.

Haha, I see what you mean - a lot of my friends wont touch bitcoin and are amazed at the amount you can make or lose in a day - somebody advised me the other day to sell the lot and start again...
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January 19, 2018, 01:30:36 PM

This 12k$ is one though cookie
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January 19, 2018, 01:38:25 PM

Hey guys, I started 2016 with almost nothing, just a little more than 2 digits. It went to single digits by end of 2016 or beginning of 2017. By middle of 2017 it went to double digits again. And bitcoin's price was rallying too. I took a month long vacation during summer, then went back to see my hodlings kinda doubled (in fiat value) but remained the same in bitcoin.

As Torque implied, I was probably one of those kids in 2012 who bought some bitcoins worth $1500, waited for it to double to $3000, then cashed out to buy toys or whatever. I repeated that performance in 2013 to 2014 with Litecoin (from $20 to $40, worth about another $1000).

The coulda shoulda woulda ... the 20/20 hindsight, we all should have just bought as soon as we discovered bitcoin and hodl'ed until either 2014 or 2017 (take your pic, you either did 1000% or 10000%)

Some of us did. A lot of us did not. Some got "roached" and I can clearly see the bitterness as I continue to not ignore him and read his posts (and again, they're all still wrong, he just loves his dead pyramid ,... pyramids do function as tombs for god-kings, but they're dead.)

Anyway, I missed the last 30 or 50 pages recently, was busy dabbling in alts again and watching my almost triple digits remain double digits ... but I didn't actually trade anything, I was just watching. A few of you did take me up on my offer, but the rest of your remain apathetic towards alts in general, vehemently violent against a few in particular.

While we don't understand some of them, it is interesting to note that their biggest supporters in this thread (and outside this thread) do have or revealed to have or had at least a thousand coins of BTC as well as BCH, so there is something to learn from them.

So, while I can't just yet retire on $4 million, maybe if I hodl long enough while living off the rest of my other crypto "earnings" or hodlings, some of you guys will be obscenely rich beyond imagination and I'll be content or happy with whatever I get, probably close to double digit millions, hopefully.

Still double digits BTC here ...

I suppose we can assert that "it's all relative," and sometimes, there can be some sell too soon mistakes as you admit to; however, sometimes there can also be attempting to manage within your own means, which may limit how many coins you are able to accumulate - including considerations of ongoing cashflow that you are able to generate and how much you "need" for your living expenses.


Surely, upper double digits is better, but even mid- double digits, in the range of 50 coins, is decent, too, especially if you are geographically mobile.  If you are geographically mobile, you could live like a king for a good 20 years or more off of 50 coins-ish.
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Yep, someone definitely doesn't want it to go over 12k for some reason.  Guess, they don't care about selling at a higher price.. Just to keep it down bouncing around to buy more I suppose.  
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