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I definitely admire anyone who has taken retirement early/earlier than expected. The finances is one aspect, but i think the psychology of it all, would be harder to overcome. Which is also part of the reason i am thinking about this now rather than later. Spending the bulk of your adult life going in cycles of work/home/weekend, work/home/weekend, work/home/weekend, does become an addiction that needs to be addressed.

I for one will not be weaning myself off, (that is, working for someone else, reducing clients, taking a part time tech job), it's going to be "That's it, I'm Done". We're closing shop (next week/next month/next year). By then i hope i have many i's dotted and t's crossed. Because once I am gone, I am not coming back! Which means i need to prepare myself, financially, physically and mentally as i don't know when that will be, but i know it will come sooner rather than later!

It will be compounding factor that leads everyone to make the call.  Completely Voluntary is wishful thinking, we all like to think we made that decision on our own terms, but it could be shitty boss, mental breakdown, lost of a major account/customer, the list can keep going, that make us re-evaluate where we are in life, where we want to be and most importantly where we can be.

Yep.. exactly.. there can be some threshold issues that can make differences in regards to whether the amount of work necessary in order to keep a job x kind of a situation going does not seem to be worth the amount of calculated effort as compared with the potential benefit - and while making the various calculations the answer might not be exactly clear.. and even the idea of making the decision to go down the path of  "no x" might not be easy in the sense that there would likely be a preference that down the road (into the future) to not have to consider having to go back to "x" or some kind of "x" variation once "no x" has been chosen.

You are right, i don't expect to have everything sorted out before such date, but hopefully i would have had the bulk of my plan sorted. hopefully...

Yep.. you might still be able to plan for a variety of winding down scenarios, and perhaps even have some preferred scenarios (perhaps preference of going cold-turkey scenarios) - while expecting that there could be circumstances in which the less preferred scenarios could end up playing out.. and surely the less preferred scenarios would still be within the realm of acceptable paths (especially since you had already prepared for a variety of scenarios, even less preferred scenarios).

On another note, what was/is your job x and job y?

For now, and through out various historical posts of mine, I have likely given enough details of my job x versus job y, yet it may be worth saying that prior to my giving up job x in 2013, I had largely already been doing some variation of job y..   

Job x related way more to a kind of traditional JOB of working for someone else - even though there was a lot of professional discretion contained therein, and even lucrative and interesting side projects and professional opportunities, and job y had a lot more self-direction in the sense of having a side business and working with a business partner, some contractors, venders, clients and customers.

So maybe even job y had a certain kind of existence during the period of time in which I still was carrying out job x, and then job y ended up evolving into more work by me after my having given up job x, but then into 2014 and 2015, job y evolved in some ways that I had not exactly anticipated (and likely part of the reason that job y evolved in some of the more involvement by me directions was related to my no longer having job x (or variations of job x) occupying my time and energies), so in some sense after job x is no longer in the picture, job y ends up having several kinds of branches (and perhaps even some complications and difficult choices) in which some of those were sub choices that evolved were not completely voluntary.. but surely involving partner disputes and then various ways to negotiate and/or to force certain kinds of resolutions..

And, even if there might be some ways in which winding down could be described as being attempted even while the business was still operating, there may be ways of also considering whether there were ways in which the business might be sustainable rather than winding down, but surely clearer and clearer resolutions about the need to wind down rather than sustain.. especially getting into 2017 and then decisions to proactively take proactive, concrete and not reversible winding down measures in 2018/2019.. .

For sure, aspects of Bitcoin were involved all around my various kinds of jobs, activities, incomes, benefits, and attempts to weigh various kinds of financial (and security structures) that I had in place in late 2013.. while at the same time that I was first considering various kinds of ways to supplement my already existing investments in late 2013 that would relate to my no longer having the perks of job x.. but then to still maintain some kind of supplemental investments that brought bitcoin onto my radar, into relevance and even into seemingly a good potential fit for me and my then circumstances in terms of filling in what I considered to be some holes of my own various investment portfolio allocations.

So, even from my amorphous rendition of issues that may well have played out for me between late 2013 (when I first got into bitcoin) and then continuing largely to invest and accumulate BTC between 2014 and 2016 (perhaps still believing that I was accumulating a wee bit into 2017 too) and then also BTC price performance during that time, you might be able to identify how bitcoin may have played some roles for me in terms of how I thought about my job y or various struggles (and juggling) that I may have been experiencing in going through various balances in relation to job y, when bitcoin also continued to be an ongoing personal and side investment for me that continued to provide me with more security on the side (that was not really intertwined in any kind of a meaningful way with job y).. and even how bitcoin's then price performance over more than one whole cycle.. and even bordering on then two cycles assisted me in weighing about how much value (or not) is coming from my staying involved in variations of job y.

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I realize while typing my relatively short rendition that I probably did not even answer you in ways that you would have had preferred.. but why do I care?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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NY investment bank HC Wainwright: "Winter is over. Bitcoin  has now entered its next bull cycle"

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Bitstamp and Coinbase are the only exchanges left that didn’t close my account for no reason. I suspect that regulators are doing all they can to push crypto from the reach of Americans. I look forward to the pendulum swinging the other direction when this nonsense is finally given up. Who cares though… We’re back to pushing on $30K and faster than I’d figured we would.

I believe that regulators are simply protecting the way of existence to which they are accustomed and which is most beneficial to them. Cryptocurrencies create problems for this system, so they increase the restrictions. In my opinion, this is a fight with windmills, which is doomed to failure, because cryptocurrencies are the future, and the future always defeats the past in one way or another.

Too bad that you could not have had figured out a way to write your post while using the term bitcoin therein... especially since this thread pertains to such topic.. aka dee cornz.. aka king daddy, aka honey badger, aka my lil precious...

but hey?  maybe your newbie plunder is not your fault this time?

Maybe "we" (royal, perhaps?) can blame OGNasty for starting uie pooie out in such an ill-conceived direction, in which neither one of you folks seem to have had realized the actual topic of this here thread.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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European Bank Ventures into Crypto With Bitcoin (BTC), XRP, Other Digital Assets


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I can tell you from direct experience, the first thing about retiring or ending a career that you have to contend with is a loss of identity.

After many decades, a career and a title defines you to both yourself and the people around you. When you retire, you move from "I am an X" to "I was an X". So who am I now? (Of course it doesn't help that your friends and family will treat you differently, treat you like a bum because you are not slaving away at a job anymore like they still are. But that's a different story.)

You are, of course, the same person you were before all the career stuff even began, you just have lost that sense of self.

What helps to make the transition easier is to think of yourself in terms verbs instead of nouns. You are not a title, you are a person who does interesting stuff throughout your life. Instead of "I was a Sr. Project Manager, and now I'm a nothing" you say to yourself "I did project management for a while. Now I do [insert whatever interests or hobbies you have here]."


wut? seriously?

ones identity is tied to work?? 
NO NO NO NO

i always had a life (identity) very separate from work. i didnt socialize with coworkers off work.. well mostly.

im serious. get your real life started.

just retire. period.

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Haven't seen the 4th bear market report (22 pages) by Tuur Demeester shared yet. Worth a read since the previous three reports (2012, 2015, 2019) turned out to be quite prophetic. One conclusion is we are currently in the accumulation phase (price range $22k-$42k) until a new multi-year bull market pushes it well north of $120,000. IMHO it won't take long before all coins in the twenties are permanently sold and we are firmly back into the thirties. Time to HODL, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

https://global-uploads.webflow.com/64146a6197229d65fe665d88/6447db3b49378e26a7154596_position-bitcoin-boom-adamant.pdf
Another conclusion is dollar-cost-averaging sucks vs. lump sum, something the royal we already concluded on the WO.

For those in a hurry the first page with the conclusions:


Thanks for adding this to WO, I really enjoyed reading this and there was definite moments throughout the report where a bit of self congratulation was going on

I didn’t quite get the same feeling in dca’ing Vs lump sum, the topics more stated here are two ways and here is the differences like lump requires more emotional temperament than dca.

JJG the author writes similar to some of your points with probability assignment, while subjective it resonated nonetheless.

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I can tell you from direct experience, the first thing about retiring or ending a career that you have to contend with is a loss of identity.

After many decades, a career and a title defines you to both yourself and the people around you. When you retire, you move from "I am an X" to "I was an X". So who am I now? (Of course it doesn't help that your friends and family will treat you differently, treat you like a bum because you are not slaving away at a job anymore like they still are. But that's a different story.)

You are, of course, the same person you were before all the career stuff even began, you just have lost that sense of self.

What helps to make the transition easier is to think of yourself in terms verbs instead of nouns. You are not a title, you are a person who does interesting stuff throughout your life. Instead of "I was a Sr. Project Manager, and now I'm a nothing" you say to yourself "I did project management for a while. Now I do [insert whatever interests or hobbies you have here]."


wut? seriously?

ones identity is tied to work??  
NO NO NO NO

i always had a life (identity) very separate from work. i didnt socialize with coworkers off work.. well mostly.

im serious. get your real life started.

just retire. period.



I strongly agree. If you "had a life" before retirement, you won't have problems after.
Identity is tied to who you are, but it can be compensated by what you do (or also: "are", as common misinterpretation).
Social and working life is identifying one's role or status within, but not personally.
Two different pairs of shoes.

People lacking the "who am i"-identity will very likely fall into a hole after (possibly being forced to) giving up their "what-am-i" identity.
Those here who know about my past most likely know that i already had my experiences in these matters.

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Regardless, we're pretty much all fucked, we just don't realize (yet).
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
Look at the curves. It's probably nothing.
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Regardless, we're pretty much all fucked, we just don't realize (yet).
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/26/accelerating-ocean-warming-earth-temperatures-climate-crisis
Look at the curves. It's probably nothing.

climate, corona, Ukraine, climate

gotta keep John Doe's mind busy by constantly pushing those crises while stripping him of his freedoms and his money

I take all these "crisis" narratives with a grain of salt to say the least
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Finally covid caught me. Along with me and my dad, who had to be hospitalized because of the severe cough, but without any other complications. We both have 2 vaccines and that definitely contributed to the relatively mild passing of the disease. Unfortunately, dad's other problems, which are cardiac and neurological, cannot be solved in our city.  I hope that soon Bitcoin will increase more so I can buy a house in the city, where I already work and where there are good clinics. But at this stage I can't part with a large chunk of my stash for such a super low price.
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Finally covid caught me. Along with me and my dad, who had to be hospitalized because of the severe cough, but without any other complications. We both have 2 vaccines and that definitely contributed to the relatively mild passing of the disease. Unfortunately, dad's other problems, which are cardiac and neurological, cannot be solved in our city.  I hope that soon Bitcoin will increase more so I can buy a house in the city, where I already work and where there are good clinics. But at this stage I can't part with a large chunk of my stash for such a super low price.

How would you know that without any "control group"?  Also, I wouldn't call being hospitalized relatively mild... but that's just me

Hopefully your dad gets better soon!  Good health is the most important in life.
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