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July 18, 2018, 10:46:35 AM

Here’s the thing. In some ways the objective truth doesn’t matter.

The appearance to the world is that the American President is a weak fool.  That damages American interests and it damages Western interests by extension. 

The "appearance" is created and managed by the media, at least 90% of it. President himself through his actions and polices controls maybe 10%.

The media can demonize anyone, or make someone a hero, easily.

So take a guess who is responsible for "damaging American interests and Western interests by extension" here.
Is it (((them)))? Cause it looks like you're saying it's (((them))).
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July 18, 2018, 10:48:25 AM

Which ever one of those it is, why is it my responsibility to pay for his healthcare?

Do you drive on roads someone else built? Do you get your electricity from a grid someone else built? Does your country have an army protecting it that someone else paid for? and on and on and on. You benefit from a society someone else built. It's your responsibility to continue improving said society.
No, just to pay for whatever you use.
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July 18, 2018, 10:51:49 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.
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July 18, 2018, 10:53:40 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
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July 18, 2018, 10:58:10 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
I believe that your political opinion is less than worthless as you are on the left.
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July 18, 2018, 10:59:30 AM

You should work as a journalist, Hairy.  Roll Eyes

"Sir, do you agree with person A when he said that...?"

"Sir, do you agree with persons B and C when they say that...?"

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July 18, 2018, 11:02:39 AM

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Yeah. I'm really looking forward to life under the rule of the Transitional Authority...

Not a Roger Ver Shill are we, sound like one, support any of his past projects

Kraken, Cryptsy anything...

Curious is all


Nope, nope, nope... Smiley
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July 18, 2018, 11:02:55 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
I believe that your political opinion is less than worthless as you are on the left.

You afraid to answer the question ?
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July 18, 2018, 11:03:42 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
I believe that your political opinion is less than worthless as you are on the left.

You afraid to answer the question ?
Give me a reason to. I do not care in the slightest what your opinion of me is, what else do you have?
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July 18, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
I believe that your political opinion is less than worthless as you are on the left.

You afraid to answer the question ?
Give me a reason to. I do not care in the slightest what your opinion of me is, what else do you have?

Typical alt-right.  Can’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag.
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July 18, 2018, 11:09:04 AM

The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?
I believe that your political opinion is less than worthless as you are on the left.

You afraid to answer the question ?
Give me a reason to. I do not care in the slightest what your opinion of me is, what else do you have?

Typical alt-right.  Can’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag.
Nope, not convinced. Would you like to try again?
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July 18, 2018, 11:09:55 AM

You afraid to answer the question ?

Trump said that under intense pressure from the media. He doesn't actually believe it.

It's obvious that you're trying to put people into a box: "oh you support Trump, so you must agree with everything he said ever".

You think your opponents are so stupid that such primitive tricks might work?
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July 18, 2018, 11:11:11 AM
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The Republican controlled Senate House Committee came to the conclusion that Russia interfered in the election.

Just so we are clear, you don’t believe the Republican Party when they say Russia interfered in the election?
The entire establishment is on the left, so no.

Ok.  


Do you believe Trump when he says that Russia meddled in the election?  

Or is Trump part of the establishment / Deep State?

I believe that Russia could have "meddled in the election". But here's the thing : specifics and facts matter.

"Meddling" as in hacking/rigging voting machines would matter. Actually it would matter a lot, as it would be a serious breach of U.S. national security and sovereignty. It would be the thing to get really upset over.

-vs.-

"Meddling" as in creating a bunch of bogus Facebook accounts and marketing propaganda against the Dems does not matter. As not only does that shit happen around the world every single year (political smear campaigns are the norm), and apparently anyone with enough $$$ and clout can do that, but it would specifically be a Facebook problem. One that they don't seem very keen on making sure doesn't happen again. FACEBOOK problem.

So please, quit bandying around "meddling in the election" as some kind of generic catch all smoking gun. It isn't.
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I used to be very confused about Donald Trump until I realized he is the America most Americans actually want. Democracy is odd.
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July 18, 2018, 11:22:27 AM

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc are global platforms, people all over the world use it to discuss freaking everything, including U.S. elections. Better get used to it, because it's not going away, ever. U.S. voters are going to be exposed to opinions of foreigners.

By the way, John Oliver is a foreigner, right?  Roll Eyes
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July 18, 2018, 11:25:00 AM

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, etc are global platforms, people all over the world use it to discuss freaking everything, including U.S. elections. Better get used to it, because it's not going away, ever. U.S. voters are going to be exposed to opinions of foreigners.

By the way, John Oliver is a foreigner, right?  Roll Eyes


Most commonwealth citizens are initially appalled by American-style DIY healthcare. Watching people die for no good reason probably takes some getting used to.
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Watching people die for no good reason probably takes some getting used to.

Here in Brexit Britain they've now set up mobile cinemas in car parks around in the country in anticipation of the dismantling of the NHS.

Each citizen spends several hours a day watching the debilitated being towed out and left on glaciers after 'death committees' have decided they're no longer viable. Slippery devices are attached to one's johnson or minge and you're only allowed out when you signal your approval by sexual arousal.
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July 18, 2018, 11:37:27 AM

All collective action toward the public good is for suckers. Your tribe extends to your front door and no further. Whatever.
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July 18, 2018, 11:44:24 AM
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Google and Amazon etc compete by giving employees not only salaries, but "free" cafeteria food, "free" dental etc.

Rich western countries compete that way too. It's up to each country what kind of "free" benefits like healthcare they should provide.

You don't like "salary+benefits" package, you move to a better country.
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July 18, 2018, 11:45:02 AM

From the pool it looks like bears are in the majority. Looks like it's time for the bull market to start. Interesting days.
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