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July 19, 2018, 10:46:08 PM

Sigh... There just isn't enough time in the day to address all these triggers...

Go right ahead, click Ignore/scroll on by. This is a special delivery for our tax-evading merman/pirate Elwar:

You falsely believe that I don't want to share. There's a difference between being extorted and voluntarily sharing.

Extortion is criminal and tax-funded states protect citizens against extortion.

Taxation is legal and as fair as possible by consensus in dozens of countries.

Slavery was perfectly legal for a long time. Doesn't mean it was right.

Again, your reaction to someone not wanting to be extorted is to think they are being greedy. It is more greedy to just want everything taken care of through a system of force instead of coming up with a better system that benefits society without force.

Your ideas are so good that they require the point of the gun for people to cooperate.

Yeah, so every tax day in developed nations around the world, federal tax agents go door to door pointing guns at people's heads. There's riots in the streets. Thousands of delinquents are led to prison in chain-gangs. Everything shuts down, taxes are so onerous.

What world do you live in? The vast majority pay their taxes without coercion. Hell, they even voted for them. Most offenses are negotiable civil penalties and payment plans. Even major tax evasion is usually handled in the courts without bloodshed. What are you, a syndicated crime boss to be so concerned with paying taxes?

Equating "the evils" of taxation to those of slavery is beyond irresponsible. Justified outrage over slavery caused a major fucking civil war in the US, pitting brother against brother. The effects are still rippling through society today. Taxes are a minor annoyance in comparison.

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If you don't want to pay taxes, go ahead and renounce your citizenship, go live on a boat and see how long you survive without state assistance once pirates, typhoons and diseases show up.
I already left the country, working on that "boat"[/url] part.

So you literally want to put glorified houseboats on coral reefs? Of all the inane places to put houseboats, you couldn't pick a more sensitive, fragile ecosystem? Who the hell are your science and engineering advisers?

Tropical sun and saltwater comprise one of the most punishing, corrosive environments in the world. Even the best designed yachts require ridiculous amounts of maintenance, cleaning, and dry dock expenses. How are you managing hull buildups floating directly on the water? Only the poorest of the poor in developing countries live in miserable water villages, and even they aren't stupid enough to float; they stilt! What will people do to combat island fever, stare at the ocean, stare under the ocean, stare at the ocean again? Who are your clients, invalids?

The amount of energy required to maintain a comfortable lifestyle over tropical waters is insane. How are you managing climate control, with outdoor compressors and generators? Where is your fresh water coming from during inevitable dry spells, desalination? I can't imagine solar will be enough to power everything, so are you relying on diesel? There's hardly enough wave or tidal energy behind lagoonal reefs, nevermind the infancy in technology. How are you managing corrosion? Boat transportation involves even more diesel since you won't be tethered to dry land. So right off the bat, your energy supplies are unsustainable.

What about food? Coral reefs are hardly sustainable food sources; they are already on the brink of ecological collapse. You can't grow seaweed in such nutrient-poor waters, you can hardly even grow vegetables or raise goats on impoverished tropical soils. What kind of salt-spray-tolerant trees will you grow on a floating platform, coconut palms? They hardly provide enough shade and are a hazard to everything and everyone below.

So security will be provided by the host country? At what expense? Via taxes and import tariffs? Hahaha. Where's the sovereignty in that?

What about pollution and sanitation? Are you attempting septic wastewater treatment? Over coral reefs? Speechless.

Not a single aspect of your glorified houseboats is sustainable, much less scalable. Not energy, water, food, ecology, maintenance, sanitation, or security. It's an absolute nightmare of a money pit.

If you had put just a tiny bit more thought into this pilot plan of yours, you would have chosen a far more feasible environment with cheap, sustainable resources, like the pacific northwest. Plenty of cloud cover and rain for drinking, comfort, and corrosion control. Sheltered bays. Nutrient-rich waters for sustainable protein and seaweed harvesting. Barely a need for climate control. Minimal risk to the environment from effluent. The potential for wave and tidal energy. Hell, you'd probably even be able to draw from existing land-based hydroelectric power. And tons and tons of excursion opportunities onto continental dry land when you get island fever. You could even raise money providing tours via local tourism. Best of all, you wouldn't have to barge all your building materials and supplies to the middle of the fucking ocean. I bet you could even Amazon Prime.

And what the hell do houseboats have to do with an ICO? Seriously? The biggest red flag boondoggle of all.

You may have accidentally made a lot of money on crypto, but it just goes to show, money cannot buy you brains.

What you promise:

What you'll deliver:

/trigger

Whew.

Go Bitcoin Go.


lol

What if I told you that the reason we don't have to fear pirates is...we are the pirates you fear.

They paint the world full of shadows... and then tell their children to stay close to the light. Their light. Their reasons, their judgments. Because in the darkness, there be dragons. But it isn't true. We can prove that it isn't true. In the dark, there is discovery, there is possibility, there is freedom in the dark once someone has illuminated it.


I usually push seasteading to libertarians because there are far too many environmentalists involved already and I'd rather have neighbors that understand that we don't need to centrally control every aspect of our lives. So I do not want to change your mind on the ridiculousness of seasteads. Just accept that taxes are good. Seasteads are bad. And stay on land. Where you are safe from burglars...terrorists...pirates.
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.
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July 19, 2018, 10:56:07 PM

Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

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taxes are ok because majorities support them so fuck minorities

Seasteading sucks because he doesn't understand that in French Polynesia you don't need A/C nor heat because the temperature fluctuates from about 20C to 27C throughout the year. Plenty of sunshine for solar and plenty of rain, humidity, salt water for fresh water. Also...people already live on these islands.

People all freak out that a floating platform in a lagoon cannot exist because "problems". The people already living on the island may beg to differ with all of the reasons that they can't live there.

As for the unlikely scenario of a floating platform being able to exist in a Tahitian lagoon...this is where I spent my Sunday last weekend:


In a Tahitian lagoon
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.


Thanks.

But if a ship can use a anchor to stay stationary, a city can do the same, using thousand anchors. And you can desalinate the water using graphene.
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July 19, 2018, 11:06:05 PM

Aliens would understand bitcoin. Because that's how their money works.

#alientech
#satoshiwasanalien

Wait, if aliens have Bitcoin, which is the true chain? Shocked
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.


Thanks.

But if a ship can use a anchor to stay stationary, a city can do the same, using thousand anchors. And you can desalinate the water using graphene.






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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.


Thanks.

But if a ship can use a anchor to stay stationary, a city can do the same, using thousand anchors. And you can desalinate the water using graphene.


Something like this:

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What’s the plan for cyclones Elwar?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35235653/ns/weather/t/french-polynesia-shuts-down-cyclone-hits/
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The closer you get to the equator the less typhoons/cyclones/hurricanes.



The island we are looking at is closer to the equator than Tahiti. But the reason such a storm made such news in 2010 is that they hardly ever get those here.

Either way, we are a few hundred meters from the island where people already live. We will do as the other island residents do. Either hunker down or change to another island that isn't being affected by sea level rise.

But the point of building a pilot project in a protected lagoon is to work on the engineering that allows us to build these in the open ocean. Crawl before you can walk/run etc.

Everything we're building now has been built. It's all out of the box and works in the waters off of the Netherlands. We are just putting it in a different location and creating a community in a special economic zone.
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I was thinking something along the same lines.

I would rather deal with the small chance of getting hit by a tornado or hail down here, than risk whatever water-borne fury could be unleashed upon my aquatic dwelling.

Mother Nature is a real bitch, yo. Especially around water.
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Here is some footage I shot on my phone in a protected Vanuatu lagoon in an extinct volcanic cone, with high hills on most sides.

https://ephmedia.giphy.com/5c1bc3e4-f4e5-4beb-851f-01cfeb3c2453.gif

The general recommendation would be to haul your houseboats onto land, as high as possible, then seek shelter on high ground.  If you leave them anchored houseboats will likely just snap the chains, drag the anchor or sink.  
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Charles Noyes, Quantitative Researcher at Pantera Capital “I make a prediction that by 2020 ethereum’s market cap will be ten times bitcoin’s"

https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/02/17/2020-ethereums-market-cap-will-ten-times-higher-bitcoins-says-panteras-noyes
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The two responses we all get when mentioning seasteading is "what about the waves" and..."pirates".

So ya, we're aware.

That floating platform I spent last Sunday on has been there since before 2010 (when that news article about a cyclone hitting Tahiti came out).

That platform is about 1/4 the size of the platforms we will be building (25m x 25m).

Personally I plan on building an underwater bar. So maybe we can head down to the underwater bar, grab a pint and wait for the whole thing to blow over.
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Charles Noyes, Quantitative Researcher at Pantera Capital “I make a prediction that by 2020 ethereum’s market cap will be ten times bitcoin’s"

https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/02/17/2020-ethereums-market-cap-will-ten-times-higher-bitcoins-says-panteras-noyes


I make a prediction that it won’t.
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Charles Noyes, Quantitative Researcher at Pantera Capital “I make a prediction that by 2020 ethereum’s market cap will be ten times bitcoin’s"

https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/02/17/2020-ethereums-market-cap-will-ten-times-higher- bitcoins-says-panteras-noyes


I make a prediction that it won’t.

That Quantitative Researcher's prediction sounds as reliable as Professor Bitcorn's prediction.
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The two responses we all get when mentioning seasteading is "what about the waves" and..."pirates".

So ya, we're aware.

That floating platform I spent last Sunday on has been there since before 2010 (when that news article about a cyclone hitting Tahiti came out).

That platform is about 1/4 the size of the platforms we will be building (25m x 25m).

Personally I plan on building an underwater bar. So maybe we can head down to the underwater bar, grab a pint and wait for the whole thing to blow over.

What about living costs?

I mean... My (maybe flawed, mind you) logic tells me it would be much more expensive to have the same equivalent "luxuries" we can have on land. Mainly because of logistics expenses and economies of scale. If that is the case, whatever you save on tax you end up spending it anyways (or maybe more).

The underwater bar sounds like an awesome idea.

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The two responses we all get when mentioning seasteading is "what about the waves" and..."pirates".

So ya, we're aware.

That floating platform I spent last Sunday on has been there since before 2010 (when that news article about a cyclone hitting Tahiti came out).

That platform is about 1/4 the size of the platforms we will be building (25m x 25m).

Personally I plan on building an underwater bar. So maybe we can head down to the underwater bar, grab a pint and wait for the whole thing to blow over.

What about living costs?

I mean... My (maybe flawed, mind you) logic tells me it would be much more expensive to have the same equivalent "luxuries" we can have on land. Mainly because of logistics expenses and economies of scale. If that is the case, whatever you save on tax you end up spending it anyways (or maybe more).

The underwater bar sounds like an awesome idea.



We are literally manufacturing oceanfront property. The cost per square foot will be less than comparable oceanfront homes (and will only come down over time). Yes, just like people living on these islands pay higher costs for the same luxuries, we likely will as well. Just here in Tahiti I pay higher prices for most things. Except tuna. I pay about $11/kg (about $5 per pound). Needless to say, I eat a lot of tuna steaks and such. Fruit (mangos, bananas, passion fruit, etc.) is also fairly cheap.
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