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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 12 (7.7%)
H2 2019 - 16 (10.3%)
H1 2020 - 29 (18.6%)
H2 2020 - 28 (17.9%)
H1 2021 - 12 (7.7%)
H2 2021 - 31 (19.9%)
H1 2022 - 6 (3.8%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.6%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 3 (1.9%)
2024 or Later - 15 (9.6%)
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July 25, 2018, 10:11:47 AM

Current price surge for Bitcoin is mainly based on ETF hype.

Alts are not included in a Bitcoin ETF.

But likely if it's a rules change that allows Bitcoin to get ETF approval, other alts will try to get ETF approval.

The SEC then becomes the gatekeeper of which alts rise with Bitcoin.

Which is why we won’t get a Bitcoin ETF.  SEC doesn’t want the headache of a Bcash lol ETF or a Ripple ETF.
Now I am sure we will get ETF. If everyone in this forum was sure then I would have my doubts. Usually it happens exactly the opposite to the predominant opinion here  Grin
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July 25, 2018, 10:27:18 AM

how many % would be in favor for an ETF approval ?

most in here saying its gonna be refused for at least a year or so.....

I’d love it to be approved because it means more money will pour into bitcoin which means a higher price for bitcoin.

What I want & what I think is different though.....I think all bitcoin ETF attempts will be denied for a while yet.
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July 25, 2018, 10:30:22 AM

how many % would be in favor for an ETF approval ?

most in here saying its gonna be refused for at least a year or so.....

I’d love it to be approved because it means more money will pour into bitcoin which means a higher price for bitcoin.

What I want & what I think is different though.....I think all bitcoin ETF attempts will be denied for a while yet.

what would be the biggest factor for approval in your opinion ?  and yes everything thats a moneyflow into crypto is good  Roll Eyes
but everything on its time we are patient  Grin
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July 25, 2018, 10:41:19 AM

how many % would be in favor for an ETF approval ?

most in here saying its gonna be refused for at least a year or so.....

I’d love it to be approved because it means more money will pour into bitcoin which means a higher price for bitcoin.

What I want & what I think is different though.....I think all bitcoin ETF attempts will be denied for a while yet.

what would be the biggest factor for approval in your opinion ?  and yes everything thats a moneyflow into crypto is good  Roll Eyes
but everything on its time we are patient  Grin

They need a set of nominally compliant exchanges - no wash trading or spoofing allowed lol
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July 25, 2018, 10:41:35 AM

"Banks have lost the race":
https://medium.com/2gether/why-we-are-going-to-change-the-world-well-at-least-we-will-try-384a4c5930f
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This is really, REALLY cringeworthy.
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July 25, 2018, 11:18:38 AM


You don’t think Rick would enjoy you serenading him with it playing a guitar wearing nothing but a cowboy hat & boots then?
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July 25, 2018, 11:48:45 AM

So: topic swerve.

All y'all may recall I've been looking to Puerto Rico as a means of reducing capital gains taxes owed (I'm 'Merkin). But I've just learned of another (legitimate - according to IRS) potential route out of the system that may be as interesting:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/17/an-unlikely-group-of-billionaires-and-politicians-has-created-the-most-unbelievable-tax-break-ever/

Anyone interested in forming a study group? Or is there some other subforum here in BCT that might be better for such a discussion?

interesting article. thanks.

so i may have the option of taking tax money that otherwise would be paid to the government and more or less wasted and instead pick my own areas and technologies to invest it in instead. and it helps the little guys. im in. although it sounds too good to be true to be honest. and its new and untested. never had a problem with new and untested things before, as long as i can figure risk/reward ratios fairly well.

Well, not quite. At least I don't think so. Bear in mind I just learned about it yesterday. But rather than being able to redirect your tax money, it is actually the money that you invest through this program is not taxed (for ten years, profits to be tax free, etc...).

But overall looks like a very attractive program. Help bootstrap a needy community of your choice, and get a very favorable tax treatment.


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July 25, 2018, 12:30:11 PM

Current price surge for Bitcoin is mainly based on ETF hype.

Alts are not included in a Bitcoin ETF.

But likely if it's a rules change that allows Bitcoin to get ETF approval, other alts will try to get ETF approval.

The SEC then becomes the gatekeeper of which alts rise with Bitcoin.

Which is why we won’t get a Bitcoin ETF.  SEC doesn’t want the headache of a Bcash lol ETF or a Ripple ETF.
They could just decide to only allow bitcoin and nothing else? Gold standard or whatever rationalization they wanna come up with.
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July 25, 2018, 01:30:25 PM

I left checking prices for last few days and it is above $8000 now. What is the reason ?
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July 25, 2018, 01:40:31 PM

I left checking prices for last few days and it is above $8000 now. What is the reason ?
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July 25, 2018, 01:55:09 PM

a shady exchange

Is it? Is this WEX above board? I'm not hip to all the goings-on. I know the vampire squid owns Poloniex now. Did WEX get got by fatcats? Or what exactly.

Well last July 2017, they got seized by the US Govt (they were operating as BTC-e), some of their bank accounts were seized and the websites, but I believe that they were able to keep a large majority of the crypto, based on their own self reporting.  About a month and a half later, they reopened as WEX and did a Bitfinex style socializing of the loss (about 40%-ish), and they issued tokens that they said would be reimbursed.

In the ensuing year, they have not been able to regenerate their previous trade volume and it appears that a lot of folks are trying to withdraw their funds, which seems to snowball, including WEX restricting withdrawals which continues to exacerbate the lack of confidence problem and the run on the exchange.  So accordingly confidence has been lost about whether WEX has enough money to cover all deposits, and surely they have been a whole hell-of-a lot less profitable after reopening because they have not been able to return to their former self (trade volume wise).   There is likely some other continued legal wrangling behind the scenes too because they USA Govt does not give up in terms of attempting to prosecute folks that they can find associated with the exchange, and that could be continuing to affect their operations and their expenses.. and may even motivate them to do an exit scam if they cannot pay everyone or to cover their expenses. 

I believe it was proven the Mt.Gox coins were washed there as well as other ransomeware coins, but DYOR.
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Visualizing Lightning Network: 119x growth from 61 to 7246 channels in 6 months



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July 25, 2018, 02:59:15 PM

Good Vid on current situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH87sZxg-98

A small dump ,enough to see tera coming back Huh??



that was nice to see. Smiley

Can someone with knowledge of the ETF markets comment on this? It reads to me like the market manipulation safeguards are not in place for an ETF to be passed YET but are being implemented now (Coinbase/Goldman-Sachs) and that the futures (CME/Cboe) are not adequate for acceptance.

https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-nysearca-2018-02/nysearca201802-3676326-162451.pdf

Sorry trying to quote out of a pdf is a pain and I'm not going to reformat by hand (if anyone has a tool that will do this please link).

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b.
The
Commodity  Futures  Trading  Commission  (
CFTC
)  asserted  authority  over  virtual 
currencies like
Bitcoin as commodities under the Commodit
y Exchange Act in 2014. It
worked  with  futures  exchanges  regarding  the  launch  of  Bitcoin  futures  referencing 
Bitcoin  spot  markets,  and  following  the  launch  of  the  futures  contracts  the  CFTC 
published documents stating “the CFTC not only has clear legal aut
hority, but now also
will   have   the   means   to   police   certain   underlying   spot   markets   for   fraud   and   
manipulation”  through  “heightened  review”  collaboration  with  exchanges
,  including
exchanges  “providing  the  CFTC  surveillance
  team  with  trade  settlement  data  upon 
request”  and  exchanges  entering  “information
-sharing  agreements  with  spot  market 
platforms to allow access to trade and trader data” and monitoring the spot markets data
for “anomalies and disproportionate moves” relati
ve to the futures markets.
12
 In another
announcement,  the  CFTC  stated  its  expectation  that  “the  futures  exchanges,  through 
information sharing agreements, will be monitoring the trading activity on the relevant
cash  platforms  for  potential  impacts  on  the  fu
tures  contracts’  price  discovery  process, 
including potential market manipulation and market dislocations.”
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c.
In  addition,  Gemini,
the  digital  currency  exchange  whose  Bitcoin  auction  is  used  to 
determine the settlement price of the Bitcoin XBT futures contracts that trade on Cboe’s
CFE  Exchange,  announced  on  April  25,  2018  that  it  would  use  Nasdaq’s  SMARTS 
Market  Surveillance  system  to  “monitor  [its]  marketplace”
  and  “become  a
marketleader  in  custom  surveillance  rule  creation  and  alerting  for  the  crypto
-asset  market”  in 
order to build “a rules
-based marketplace.”
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d.
Some  sort  of  m
arket  surveillance  is  generally  a  prerequisite  to
  identifying  potential 
market manipulation
, as well as creating incentives to discourage market manipulation

.
The  emergence  of  institutionalized  market  surveillance  on  both  futures
and
spot
markets
  in
Bitcoin
  products
  is  thus  a  positive
  sign  for  the  long
-term  future  of 
Bitcoin
markets
.
e.
As  a  result  of  reinvigorated  harmonization  efforts,  t
he  SEC
,   in  coordination  with
  the
CFTC,
self
-regulatory  organizations  (SROs),  Bitcoin  futures  excha
nges,  and  Bitcoin 
spot   market   platforms
,   can   gather   the   market
   surveillance
data   to   support
   an
independent  analysis  of  trade  and  settlement  patterns
.   This  analysis  could  be  used
to
determine  the  extent,  if  any,  to  which  potentially  manipulative  trading  practices  occur 
on  Bitcoin  spot  and  futures  markets,  and  compare  that  analysi
s  to  an  analysis  of 
longstanding markets under the SEC or CFTC’s jurisdiction. 

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July 25, 2018, 03:32:32 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland..

It looks like the rally has slowed down a little... currently $8122USD/$10633CAD (Bitcoinaverage).



Oh boo hoo.
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July 25, 2018, 03:41:01 PM

Any day above $10k is a good day.
Are we there yet?
Soon.
I'm prepared to accept that.

Ok. Remember how I said "Soon" ?

Yeah, well, it's going to be a bit later than sooner Sad

Sorry about that.

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the evil jews blah blah blah silver...  <daily stormer link to some nonsense>

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