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April 03, 2018, 10:05:44 PM
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Hey I've just updated to the new Daemon

why does it show my balance like this

deRoMDpU 56215/56215 XXXXX   | 392.08

why is there 392 in yellow?

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April 03, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
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I'm confused.

Is Dero open source or isn't it?  If it is, where is the source code?  If Dero has now transitioned into closed-source code, it no longer merits being considered a cryptocurrency.

https://coincenter.org/entry/what-is-open-source-and-why-is-it-important-for-cryptocurrency-and-open-blockchain-projects

The developers say that the older C++ code is no longer supported.  With the source code as yet unreleased, AT THIS POINT DERO BECOMES A CLOSED SOURCE CRYPTOCURRENCY.  Which is to say, no longer really a cryptocurrency or cryptoasset at all.

Can the developers please clarify on this important issue?

If the source code is available for public view, this would still provide trust through public audit. Not allowing developers to push their own updates at will and not using a free software license would stop forks, though. Forks are a serious issue in the cryptocurrency space today and I hope the dero team has considered that when they set out to make a coin that addresses so many other issues that are killing crypto.

To your point of it not being a real crypto asset because of those things... I think people should take a closer look at the top 50 coins/tokens, if that is true.

Finally someone said it. Matter of fact I'm damn sure that we can expect Dero clones at some point. However, it's been proven many times that a polite question is enough here if someone needs something and Serena or CaptDero will sort it in a min. No need for rants ladies and gents.
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April 03, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover my mining founds?

You can recover your Dero by restoring from the same seed you used from your old wallet. You may also use the keys you generated from the old wallet
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April 03, 2018, 10:11:22 PM
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Hey I've just updated to the new Daemon

why does it show my balance like this

deRoMDpU 56215/56215 XXXXX   | 392.08

why is there 392 in yellow?



Can you restart your pc, restart the daemon, and if the balance has not updated please use the rescan_bc followed by rescan_spent commands

Yellow means it is locked for 10 confirmations. However, we still have a few minor changes to make as sometimes a balance will incorrectly show that it is locked until the steps above are performed.
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April 03, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
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I'm confused.

Is Dero open source or isn't it?  If it is, where is the source code?  If Dero has now transitioned into closed-source code, it no longer merits being considered a cryptocurrency.

https://coincenter.org/entry/what-is-open-source-and-why-is-it-important-for-cryptocurrency-and-open-blockchain-projects

The developers say that the older C++ code is no longer supported.  With the source code as yet unreleased, AT THIS POINT DERO BECOMES A CLOSED SOURCE CRYPTOCURRENCY.  Which is to say, no longer really a cryptocurrency or cryptoasset at all.

Can the developers please clarify on this important issue?

If the source code is available for public view, this would still provide trust through public audit. Not allowing developers to push their own updates at will and not using a free software license would stop forks, though. Forks are a serious issue in the cryptocurrency space today and I hope the dero team has considered that when they set out to make a coin that addresses so many other issues that are killing crypto.

To your point of it not being a real crypto asset because of those things... I think people should take a closer look at the top 50 coins/tokens, if that is true.

Finally someone said it. Matter of fact I'm damn sure that we can expect Dero clones at some point. However, it's been proven many times that a polite question is enough here if someone needs something and Serena or CaptDero will sort it in a min. No need for rants ladies and gents.

The complete license can be found here: https://github.com/deroproject/derosuite/blob/master/LICENSE

This should, hopefully, clear up any questions regarding our license, forks, and other questions.
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April 03, 2018, 10:32:31 PM
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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

In hand you are getting the profit from free software like BitCoin (the whole idea), CryptoNote, ByteCoin and Monero. Without them you would have need much more time (maybe 100 years!) to get to the point where you are now in the development.
But in the other hand you are breaking with the free software chain and releasing your new code as non free, so it can only be used for research (WTF?).

That means something, dero team, you are doing this just for your own profit, not for the innovation or advance of blockchain related technologies. That's not the crypto thinking way I'd support.

Still I don't understand what are you afraid of? What's the thing? Someone will make a fork and release a new coin, so what? You are the trusted developers and you will have always the first position on this field, unless you loose it by doing stupid things. Look at Bitcoin, Ethereum, Monero, IOTA and so on.

Finally I would honestly suggest you to rethink about this matter. Release the DeroSuit as free software (GPLv3 or AGPLv3), then your 2 Milion premined coins wiill worth something one day.
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April 03, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover and return my previous mining founds?

You need to select the option, "recover wallet using recovery seed (25 words)" from the wallet-cli menu. You should have written down your 25 word recovery seed when you first created your wallet using the old wallet-cli, but if you didn't there is a command to get the seed from it (I don't remember the exact command and I already deleted the old wallet-cli).

See my previous post where I went through much the same thing as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg33402693#msg33402693

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April 03, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover and return my previous mining founds?

You need to select the option, "recover wallet using recovery seed (25 words)" from the wallet-cli menu. You should have written down your 25 word recovery seed when you first created your wallet using the old wallet-cli, but if you didn't there is a command to get the seed from it (I don't remember the exact command and I already deleted the old wallet-cli).

See my previous post where I went through much the same thing as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg33402693#msg33402693


Maybe this the recovery via seed is not working in my case because the seed phrase is not in English (Latin) but in Cyrillic? (It was one of the options from the previous windows version of the wallet)? Now I am stuck with wallet recovering. Seems that it is completely impossible Sad
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April 03, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover and return my previous mining founds?

You need to select the option, "recover wallet using recovery seed (25 words)" from the wallet-cli menu. You should have written down your 25 word recovery seed when you first created your wallet using the old wallet-cli, but if you didn't there is a command to get the seed from it (I don't remember the exact command and I already deleted the old wallet-cli).

See my previous post where I went through much the same thing as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg33402693#msg33402693


Maybe this the recovery via seed is not working in my case because the seed phrase is not in English (Latin) but in Cyrillic? (It was one of the options from the previous windows version of the wallet)? Now I am stuck with wallet recovering. Seems that it is completely impossible Sad

If your seed language was an option before we will work very hard to try to make sure this is the case moving forward. It realistically should not be a large issue, it's more work to get to is all.
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April 03, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover and return my previous mining founds?

You need to select the option, "recover wallet using recovery seed (25 words)" from the wallet-cli menu. You should have written down your 25 word recovery seed when you first created your wallet using the old wallet-cli, but if you didn't there is a command to get the seed from it (I don't remember the exact command and I already deleted the old wallet-cli).

See my previous post where I went through much the same thing as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg33402693#msg33402693



Pipe down man ffs, it's a few devs working their nuts off trying to get this straightened out for everyone.
I'm sure all the boring code you want to scrutinize will be available in good time.

Give them chance.
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April 03, 2018, 10:54:34 PM
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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

Looking at your post history I see virtually no activity between 2014 and now, so it seems more than a bit unusual for you to suddenly show up in the DERO ANN thread and start mouthing off like this. I'm one of the toughest customers around but even I'm finding your self-affront here massively overdone.

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April 03, 2018, 10:58:27 PM
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The source code will be released soon

I downloaded from http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/ the wallet supports: dero_windows_amd64.zip and dero_windows_x86.zip, (no matter). Up to now, I have already (existing) DERO wallet which is not synchronized anymore. When I run, for example, dero-wallet-cli-windows-amd64.exe, then after "open existing wallet" option, I was asked about the wallet filename (default wallet.db). Unfortunately, I don't find the wallet.db file anywhere in my previous user-friendly skin DeroWallet_Win64_v0.0.3 folder.

Does it mean that, unfortunately, I completely lost all coins what I have in the previous wallet and I have to create a new fresh wallet in a new command-line skin? Or I can somehow recover and return my previous mining founds?

You need to select the option, "recover wallet using recovery seed (25 words)" from the wallet-cli menu. You should have written down your 25 word recovery seed when you first created your wallet using the old wallet-cli, but if you didn't there is a command to get the seed from it (I don't remember the exact command and I already deleted the old wallet-cli).

See my previous post where I went through much the same thing as you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg33402693#msg33402693



Pipe down man ffs, it's a few devs working their nuts off trying to get this straightened out for everyone.
I'm sure all the boring code you want to scrutinize will be available in good time.

Give them chance.

It's few developers cause they are NOT releasing the code as free software. That makes a crypto project weak and with high probability of failure.

Do you think someone smart would invest in a project that depends 100% of a closed group of people? So, if Serena and CaptainDero stop their activity the code will be not longer maintained thus the token living inside the blockchain would end up not valuable at all.
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April 03, 2018, 11:04:12 PM
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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

Looking at your post history I see virtually no activity between 2014 and now, so it seems more than a bit unusual for you to suddenly show up in the DERO ANN thread and start mouthing off like this. I'm one of the toughest customers around but even I'm finding your self-affront here massively overdone.



So what's your point? I'm kind of someone who wants to destroy Dero?

I'm mining Dero and I love the project (so much that I've come back to bitcointalk after so many time). I think SmartContracts + CryptoNote Privacy  is the way to go, a very important missing technology for the success of the blockchain, distributed systems and socity in general.

I was very enthusiastic until I read the License... which I'm blaming cause it's a very bad idea, on my point of view. I want Dero surviving and strong in the long term, not abandoned cause the community has not taked ii.
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April 03, 2018, 11:11:50 PM
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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

In hand you are getting the profit from free software like BitCoin (the whole idea), CryptoNote, ByteCoin and Monero. Without them you would have need much more time (maybe 100 years!) to get to the point where you are now in the development.
But in the other hand you are breaking with the free software chain and releasing your new code as non free, so it can only be used for research (WTF?).

That means something, dero team, you are doing this just for your own profit, not for the innovation or advance of blockchain related technologies. That's not the crypto thinking way I'd support.

Still I don't understand what are you afraid of? What's the thing? Someone will make a fork and release a new coin, so what? You are the trusted developers and you will have always the first position on this field, unless you loose it by doing stupid things. Look at Bitcoin, Ethereum, Monero, IOTA and so on.

Finally I would honestly suggest you to rethink about this matter. Release the DeroSuit as free software (GPLv3 or AGPLv3), then your 2 Milion premined coins wiill worth something one day.

I'm going to have to agree with p4u here. As someone working in a datacenter security startup it is vital to understand that having first mover advantage while helping move the space forward for a specific subset it vital for company legitimacy and trust. It doesn't matter if the code is shared and someone re-purposes it, since the Dero team will always be able to iterate faster than the the person using the codebase since the dero team wrote it.

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April 03, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
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Do you think someone smart would invest in a project that depends 100% of a closed group of people? So, if Serena and CaptainDero stop their activity the code will be not longer maintained thus the token living inside the blockchain would end up not valuable at all.

Agree on this point. There's loads of examples where the original devs got tied up in another project/new job and had to drop their cryptocurrency project. Following this on open source coins the community can pick up development, sometimes to greater success than the original team. It is a great way to ensure future-proofing and availability of the currency. Why not open for external review (will make the code better undoubtedly) and allow faster iteration through PRs and community engagement.

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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

In hand you are getting the profit from free software like BitCoin (the whole idea), CryptoNote, ByteCoin and Monero. Without them you would have need much more time (maybe 100 years!) to get to the point where you are now in the development.
But in the other hand you are breaking with the free software chain and releasing your new code as non free, so it can only be used for research (WTF?).

That means something, dero team, you are doing this just for your own profit, not for the innovation or advance of blockchain related technologies. That's not the crypto thinking way I'd support.

Still I don't understand what are you afraid of? What's the thing? Someone will make a fork and release a new coin, so what? You are the trusted developers and you will have always the first position on this field, unless you loose it by doing stupid things. Look at Bitcoin, Ethereum, Monero, IOTA and so on.

Finally I would honestly suggest you to rethink about this matter. Release the DeroSuit as free software (GPLv3 or AGPLv3), then your 2 Milion premined coins wiill worth something one day.

Just went over this... a few posts ago. You sound like you want to fork the project. There's not a need for it to be free software yet anyway. You can always go from closed to open but you can't go back. At this point in time, making a coin that is this unique with this much work put into it, in the current coin fork atmosphere we have in crypto, would be suicide before it is established.

Every coin you mentioned has been forked to no end (except for IOTA, for good reason). They can take forks since they have been established. There is no point crying about it not being free software at this stage unless you plan on making copy pasta.

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April 03, 2018, 11:18:53 PM
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Do you think someone smart would invest in a project that depends 100% of a closed group of people? So, if Serena and CaptainDero stop their activity the code will be not longer maintained thus the token living inside the blockchain would end up not valuable at all.

Agree on this point. There's loads of examples where the original devs got tied up in another project/new job and had to drop their cryptocurrency project. Following this on open source coins the community can pick up development, sometimes to greater success than the original team. It is a great way to ensure future-proofing and availability of the currency. Why not open for external review (will make the code better undoubtedly) and allow faster iteration through PRs and community engagement.

Code is open for external review. The source code isn't out on the alpha only. You can see the rest of the code and compile yourself. You just can't use it freely for your own project.


edit : Funny how the "angry free software" guys come out every time dero releases something new or proves it's resilience to attacks.

edit 2 : If the devs abandon the project, then that would be valid to say they need to make it free software for it to survive.

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April 03, 2018, 11:29:31 PM
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That is horrible IMHO. This license is completelly not free software.

In hand you are getting the profit from free software like BitCoin (the whole idea), CryptoNote, ByteCoin and Monero. Without them you would have need much more time (maybe 100 years!) to get to the point where you are now in the development.
But in the other hand you are breaking with the free software chain and releasing your new code as non free, so it can only be used for research (WTF?).

That means something, dero team, you are doing this just for your own profit, not for the innovation or advance of blockchain related technologies. That's not the crypto thinking way I'd support.

Still I don't understand what are you afraid of? What's the thing? Someone will make a fork and release a new coin, so what? You are the trusted developers and you will have always the first position on this field, unless you loose it by doing stupid things. Look at Bitcoin, Ethereum, Monero, IOTA and so on.

Finally I would honestly suggest you to rethink about this matter. Release the DeroSuit as free software (GPLv3 or AGPLv3), then your 2 Milion premined coins wiill worth something one day.

Just went over this... a few posts ago. You sound like you want to fork the project. There's not a need for it to be free software yet anyway. You can always go from closed to open but you can't go back. At this point in time, making a coin that is this unique with this much work put into it, in the current coin fork atmosphere we have in crypto, would be suicide before it is established.

Every coin you mentioned has been forked to no end (except for IOTA, for good reason). They can take forks since they have been established. There is no point crying about it not being free software at this stage unless you plan on making copy pasta.

I don't want to fork dero, I want to use it and to develop on top of it. I want to see it working with smart contracts support! But this is not the way the project will achieve success.

Edit: it was not a suicide for Ethereum (to say one) cause people follow trusted developers, not crypto yonkies.
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April 03, 2018, 11:32:44 PM
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Do you think someone smart would invest in a project that depends 100% of a closed group of people? So, if Serena and CaptainDero stop their activity the code will be not longer maintained thus the token living inside the blockchain would end up not valuable at all.

Agree on this point. There's loads of examples where the original devs got tied up in another project/new job and had to drop their cryptocurrency project. Following this on open source coins the community can pick up development, sometimes to greater success than the original team. It is a great way to ensure future-proofing and availability of the currency. Why not open for external review (will make the code better undoubtedly) and allow faster iteration through PRs and community engagement.

Code is open for external review. The source code isn't out on the alpha only. You can see the rest of the code and compile yourself. You just can't use it freely for your own project.


edit : Funny how the "angry free software" guys come out every time dero releases something new or proves it's resilience to attacks.

edit 2 : If the devs abandon the project, then that would be valid to say they need to make it free software for it to survive.

Then it might be too late for asking it, this is why I'm asking right now.
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April 03, 2018, 11:36:02 PM
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Do you think someone smart would invest in a project that depends 100% of a closed group of people? So, if Serena and CaptainDero stop their activity the code will be not longer maintained thus the token living inside the blockchain would end up not valuable at all.

Agree on this point. There's loads of examples where the original devs got tied up in another project/new job and had to drop their cryptocurrency project. Following this on open source coins the community can pick up development, sometimes to greater success than the original team. It is a great way to ensure future-proofing and availability of the currency. Why not open for external review (will make the code better undoubtedly) and allow faster iteration through PRs and community engagement.

Code is open for external review. The source code isn't out on the alpha only. You can see the rest of the code and compile yourself. You just can't use it freely for your own project.


edit : Funny how the "angry free software" guys come out every time dero releases something new or proves it's resilience to attacks.

edit 2 : If the devs abandon the project, then that would be valid to say they need to make it free software for it to survive.

Then it might be too late for asking it, this is why I'm asking right now.

Smart contracts aren't going to be available for a while and the devs have a lot more foot work for the platform in general. I'm just as anxious as anyone but it's just not ready yet. Seeing the posts from the dev team, I highly doubt they would walk away, let alone walk away without changing the license if needed.

I would rather them work in peace without the fear of some other project cutting their throat with their own hard work.

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