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May 22, 2018, 11:47:50 AM
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DERO May Monthly update: https://forum.dero.io/t/dero-monthly-update/446/3
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DAG(Directed Acyclic Graph): DERO Atlantis will be DAG based. First CryptoNote to have DAG. DERO DAG is mineable, POW based, fully linear with same level of security as blockchain.
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Interesting... I had wondered if requiring a progressively increasing DAG file - like Ethash - would be one way to make ASICs less-effective (I no longer think they can be held at bay indefinitely). In fact, there is already a real-world example of this: the ASIC developed for Ethash only delivers a relatively modest increase in performance vs. cost vs. energy usage over a typical 6-8 GPU rig, mainly because it has enough memory on board to deal with another 2+ years worth of expected DAG growth.

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May 22, 2018, 12:24:21 PM
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DERO May Monthly update: https://forum.dero.io/t/dero-monthly-update/446/3

Summary Atlantis Update:
Following blockchain technologies has been implemented in Atlantis:

DERO-DAG(Directed Acyclic Graph): DERO Atlantis will be DERO-DAG based. DERO-DAG is mineable, POW based, fully linear with same level of security as blockchain.
No orphans, scalability limits defined by resources(Compute, Network, Storage etc.)

Client Protocol: It handles same transactions mined by two different miners in different blocks mostly due to luck/Network lag.

Bulletproofs: Smaller transaction sizes for CryptoNote Protocol.

Ultra Compact Blocks: Faster block propagation times and low network usage.

Core progress on track.
Explorer, wallets too are being re-written to handle Atlantis.

In another 15 days Atlantis will be released for alpha-tests and Hopefully before next monthly update we would be on Atlantis.

Rd.
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May 22, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
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DERO May Monthly update: https://forum.dero.io/t/dero-monthly-update/446/3

DERO-DAG(Directed Acyclic Graph): DERO Atlantis will be DERO-DAG based. DERO-DAG is mineable, POW based, fully linear with same level of security as blockchain.
No orphans, scalability limits defined by resources(Compute, Network, Storage etc.)


It will be some sort of DAG and Cryptonote algo's alliance?
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May 22, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
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Interesting... I had wondered if requiring a progressively increasing DAG file - like Ethash - would be one way to make ASICs less-effective (I no longer think they can be held at bay indefinitely). In fact, there is already a real-world example of this: the ASIC developed for Ethash only delivers a relatively modest increase in performance vs. cost vs. energy usage over a typical 6-8 GPU rig, mainly because it has enough memory on board to deal with another 2+ years worth of expected DAG growth.




It will be some sort of DAG and Cryptonote algo's alliance?

You are talking about PoW algorithm, whereas our use of DAG, specifically DERO-DAG, is for network consensus, which is first ever to be used with CryptoNote, and is PoW based, so Dero will be using a mineable DAG

PoW algorithm is not mentioned in this update
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May 22, 2018, 02:00:10 PM
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You are talking about PoW algorithm, whereas our use of DAG, specifically DERO-DAG, is for network consensus, which is first ever to be used with CryptoNote, and is PoW based, so Dero will be using a mineable DAG

PoW algorithm is not mentioned in this update

The wording in the update, "DERO-DAG is mineable, POW based, fully linear with same level of security as blockchain," sure seems to imply it is talking about a change in the PoW algo. I may be drawing an incorrect conclusion here, but it certainly is a reasonable one.

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May 22, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
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PoW algorithm is not mentioned in this update
Does it mean that in this update there will be no change of PoW algo and Dero will remain ASICs-oriented coin ?
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May 22, 2018, 03:35:57 PM
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PoW algorithm is not mentioned in this update
Does it mean that in this update there will be no change of PoW algo and Dero will remain ASICs-oriented coin ?

No, just that the PoW algo was not mentioned.
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May 22, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
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Any new larger exchanges on the horizon?

Stocks is heavily manipulated,

Maybe its me but I've noticed a lot of 51 / 102 dero buy and sells day in day out to keep the price low it's uncanny.




No, it is not only you, I saw yesterday a price manipulation at 14:00 pm with transactions of 50 and 18 DERO, that for two hours someone buy and sell constantly to increase the price. Do not get me wrong is good that the price increase. However, this technique is not ethical to do it, and also in not real, in long term will make real damage to the project. I know a lot of people will attack this comment, but to prove it, just see the graphics in tradeogre before making it.
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May 22, 2018, 04:00:25 PM
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DERO May Monthly update: https://forum.dero.io/t/dero-monthly-update/446/3

Summary Atlantis Update:
Following blockchain technologies has been implemented in Atlantis:

DERO-DAG(Directed Acyclic Graph): DERO Atlantis will be DERO-DAG based. DERO-DAG is mineable, POW based, fully linear with same level of security as blockchain.
No orphans, scalability limits defined by resources(Compute, Network, Storage etc.)

Client Protocol: It handles same transactions mined by two different miners in different blocks mostly due to luck/Network lag.

Bulletproofs: Smaller transaction sizes for CryptoNote Protocol.

Ultra Compact Blocks: Faster block propagation times and low network usage.

Core progress on track.
Explorer, wallets too are being re-written to handle Atlantis.

In another 15 days Atlantis will be released for alpha-tests and Hopefully before next monthly update we would be on Atlantis.

Rd.
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That is extremly impressive! This project will turn a lot of heads
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May 22, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
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Any new larger exchanges on the horizon?

Stocks is heavily manipulated,

Maybe its me but I've noticed a lot of 51 / 102 dero buy and sells day in day out to keep the price low it's uncanny.




No, it is not only you, I saw yesterday a price manipulation at 14:00 pm with transactions of 50 and 18 DERO, that for two hours someone buy and sell constantly to increase the price. Do not get me wrong is good that the price increase. However, this technique is not ethical to do it, and also in not real, in long term will make real damage to the project. I know a lot of people will attack this comment, but to prove it, just see the graphics in tradeogre before making it.

Nah, a few of my friends have mentioned this too, bots are in play too, 39.999 buy and sells with the occasional 9.999 both ways its heavily whaled and manipulated, I bet they're butthurt at the sudden Price drop
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May 22, 2018, 05:01:38 PM
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Hello,

First very good project, i'm very interested.

Is it possible to have the view key of premine address?

Thank you
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May 22, 2018, 05:08:00 PM
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Is it possible to have the view key of premine address?


How about reading the first post - the public view key for the premine is there.

EDIT - oops, no, that is their PGP key. I do know this was discussed earlier in the thread so just search through it.

EDIT 2 - found it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg30581078#msg30581078

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May 22, 2018, 05:15:58 PM
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Is it possible to have the view key of premine address?


How about reading the first post - the public view key for the premine is there.

EDIT - oops, no, that is their PGP key. I do know this was discussed earlier in the thread so just search through it.

EDIT 2 - found it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2525508.msg30581078#msg30581078




That is for the C version of the chain.  New chain = new key (premine unlocked to certain height).  Will have to wait for Atlantis release.
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May 22, 2018, 06:27:40 PM
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Any new larger exchanges on the horizon?

Stocks is heavily manipulated,

Maybe its me but I've noticed a lot of 51 / 102 dero buy and sells day in day out to keep the price low it's uncanny.




No, it is not only you, I saw yesterday a price manipulation at 14:00 pm with transactions of 50 and 18 DERO, that for two hours someone buy and sell constantly to increase the price. Do not get me wrong is good that the price increase. However, this technique is not ethical to do it, and also in not real, in long term will make real damage to the project. I know a lot of people will attack this comment, but to prove it, just see the graphics in tradeogre before making it.

Some whale is also spoofing the buy side.. dropping 1-3 btc buy orders.. to push the new buy orders above their large buy order.. but once the price drops to their buy order they pull it and move it down a little while later. Its illegal in stock market, futures market, forex markets.. but its the wild wild west in crypto an most exchanges are likely doing little to actually stop this as i've seen spoofing on numerous exchanges in real time. Its probably best to ignore insanely large buy or sell orders on both side of the book because they're likely going to be withdrawn before the price hits its target. Not sure if its actual people doing this in real time or if its HFT algorithms.. i know HFTs are involved in crypto and have been for years if i'm not mistaken. If someone drops a large sell order on the sell side they're trying to push the price down.. if they're dropping a large buy order on the buy side they're trying to push the price up. (if they remove the order when its price is triggered or passed) an then replaced lower down the stack.
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May 22, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
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Any new larger exchanges on the horizon?

Stocks is heavily manipulated,

Maybe its me but I've noticed a lot of 51 / 102 dero buy and sells day in day out to keep the price low it's uncanny.




No, it is not only you, I saw yesterday a price manipulation at 14:00 pm with transactions of 50 and 18 DERO, that for two hours someone buy and sell constantly to increase the price. Do not get me wrong is good that the price increase. However, this technique is not ethical to do it, and also in not real, in long term will make real damage to the project. I know a lot of people will attack this comment, but to prove it, just see the graphics in tradeogre before making it.

Some whale is also spoofing the buy side.. dropping 1-3 btc buy orders.. to push the new buy orders above their large buy order.. but once the price drops to their buy order they pull it and move it down a little while later. Its illegal in stock market, futures market, forex markets.. but its the wild wild west in crypto an most exchanges are likely doing little to actually stop this as i've seen spoofing on numerous exchanges in real time. Its probably best to ignore insanely large buy or sell orders on both side of the book because they're likely going to be withdrawn before the price hits its target. Not sure if its actual people doing this in real time or if its HFT algorithms.. i know HFTs are involved in crypto and have been for years if i'm not mistaken. If someone drops a large sell order on the sell side they're trying to push the price down.. if they're dropping a large buy order on the buy side they're trying to push the price up. (if they remove the order when its price is triggered or passed) an then replaced lower down the stack.


how could bot trading or high frequency trading illegal? it is the freedom for the whales to invest time and money to do it. they do price manipulation at their own risk because there may be another bigger whales behind. if you find the game is unfair to you, just not joining this game.
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May 22, 2018, 10:02:32 PM
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how could bot trading or high frequency trading illegal? it is the freedom for the whales to invest time and money to do it. they do price manipulation at their own risk because there may be another bigger whales behind. if you find the game is unfair to you, just not joining this game.

In civilized countries this sort of behavior is considered a form of fraud...
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May 22, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
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Assuming everyone's awareness that many people bring clever contracts to the chain especially that don't have support form their own country. I hope that you will release a map and we can understand  better and maybe justify it in more proper ways.

Could you please elaborate?

For map and understanding are you talking about development and code language?

If so, Dero VM will be Turing-complete and will run Golang programming language


Post in your own language if it makes it easier for you to describe your thoughts
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May 22, 2018, 10:56:50 PM
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Any new larger exchanges on the horizon?

Stocks is heavily manipulated,

Maybe its me but I've noticed a lot of 51 / 102 dero buy and sells day in day out to keep the price low it's uncanny.




No, it is not only you, I saw yesterday a price manipulation at 14:00 pm with transactions of 50 and 18 DERO, that for two hours someone buy and sell constantly to increase the price. Do not get me wrong is good that the price increase. However, this technique is not ethical to do it, and also in not real, in long term will make real damage to the project. I know a lot of people will attack this comment, but to prove it, just see the graphics in tradeogre before making it.

Some whale is also spoofing the buy side.. dropping 1-3 btc buy orders.. to push the new buy orders above their large buy order.. but once the price drops to their buy order they pull it and move it down a little while later. Its illegal in stock market, futures market, forex markets.. but its the wild wild west in crypto an most exchanges are likely doing little to actually stop this as i've seen spoofing on numerous exchanges in real time. Its probably best to ignore insanely large buy or sell orders on both side of the book because they're likely going to be withdrawn before the price hits its target. Not sure if its actual people doing this in real time or if its HFT algorithms.. i know HFTs are involved in crypto and have been for years if i'm not mistaken. If someone drops a large sell order on the sell side they're trying to push the price down.. if they're dropping a large buy order on the buy side they're trying to push the price up. (if they remove the order when its price is triggered or passed) an then replaced lower down the stack.


how could bot trading or high frequency trading illegal? it is the freedom for the whales to invest time and money to do it. they do price manipulation at their own risk because there may be another bigger whales behind. if you find the game is unfair to you, just not joining this game.

I didn't say HFT was illegal. Most markets on the planet allow HFT which is ridiculous because it should be illegal. They usually rent a virtual private server right next to the exchange and run an algo that can react in factions of a second scalping incoming orders.. front running trades. That being said I didn't say it was illegal. I said spoofing the markets in an attempt to move the price of an asset in a particular direction is illegal. Essentially its creating large orders in the order book to move an asset price up or down and if the price of the asset gets to the large order they pull it before its executed because the order wasn't place in good faith it was placed to manipulate the market.
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May 23, 2018, 02:29:29 AM
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For anyone who has been wondering, we're on track to meet our Q2 goals

From our update "Core progress on track." - this means our Q2 roadmap specifically + Atlantis
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How to start using Dero                Downloads                Whitepaper                Support      



About DERO  

The Dero Project has written a unique new blockchain technology that is based on the CryptoNote protocol. Dero's goal is to create a unique state of the art blockchain technology with enhanced reliability, privacy, security, usability, and portability by bringing together some of the best proven technologies like the CryptoNote protocol and smart contracts, thereby allowing for the creation of truly private smart contracts.

The Dero development team has implemented complete SSL across the Dero network which is a first on any blockchain. This encrypts the entirety of our network traffic, which greatly reduces our attack surface, while simultaneously preventing ISPs or other users from analyzing Dero’s network traffic.




Dero's Key Features  

  • DERO is a completely new and unique CryptoNote blockchain written in Golang
  • DERO is the first blockchain to have complete SSL in the P2P layer
  • DERO will be the first CryptoNote blockchain to have 500 transactions per second on its native blockchain without any lightning networks, validators or off-blockchain solutions
  • DERO will be first CryptoNote blockchain to have smart contracts on its native chain without any extra layers or secondary blockchains
  • CryptoNote privacy
  • Smart contracts
  • Atomic swaps
  • Mobile and offline wallets
  • Lightweight wallets
  • Subaddresses
  • Escrow services on the blockchain
  • Address signing and certifying
  • Voting on a private blockchain




About The Developers  


There are three developers working on the Dero Project who have been working in the field of cryptography and blockchain development as a team for more than a decade. Dero's research and development team are devoted full time to the project, and can often be found in our Slack channel. For now, the development team are choosing to retain their privacy until the Dero Project incorporates.




Coin Specifications  
 

  • Proof-of-work (PoW) algorithm: CryptoNight
  • Max supply: 18.4 million for the first 8 years followed by an infinite emission rate after year 8 of ~157,000 DERO/year
  • Block reward: Smoothly varying
  • Block time: 120 seconds
  • Difficulty: Retargets at every block
  • Ticker: DERO




Dero's Roadmap  

 
  • Q1/2018 - Dero's new unique blockchain written and full Activation. - Completed ahead of schedule with the extra addition of complete SSL across Dero's network
  • Q2/2018 - Record CryptoNote TX/sec, GUI wallets, sub addresses, atomic swaps, and smart contract testing.
  • Q3/2018 - Smart contract support on chain. Q3 2018.
  • Q4/2018 - Strategic market expansion, team growth, and more (coming soon).




Dero Related Links  

Resource Links  

WEBSITE: https://dero.io/
FORUM: https://forum.dero.io/
EXPLORER: https://explorer.dero.io
OFFICIAL POOL: http://pool.dero.live/
BINARIES: http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/

Exchanges & Stats:

EXCHANGE: https://stocks.exchange/trade/DERO/BTC
EXCHANGE: https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-DERO
EXCHANGE: https://www.southxchange.com/Balance/Index/DERO
Stats: https://coincodex.com/crypto/dero/
Stats: https://www.difficultychart.com/dero
Stats: https://www.cryptunit.com/coin/DERO





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Dero: A new blockchain technology that brings CryptoNote privacy together with smart contracts.


Shifting from alpha to beta: CryptoNote with smart contracts





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